Darcy's Appearance

I agree. It also reflects the passing time. The story takes place over a year or so, while the filming was done over 5 months. I know adults don't age a lot in a year, but there are often changes w/ the seasons. Darcy also looked different in the different outfits (but good in all or none of them).

]Darcy also looked different in the different outfits (but good in all or none of them). However some were daggier than others! Anna guess who spent the down time reading the archives!

Anna, you could not have read them all. You must be positively bleary eyed. Hmm. That made me think, I wonder if we can archive this? I better ask.

"Select all" does get everything in a topic so that it can be copied and pasted - though I suppose HTML would be lost that way.

] Anna, you could not have read them all. You must be positively bleary eyed. Just the threads pertaining directly to P&P2 which made things shorter - I've got about 500 to go, having joined at about message 4,500. ] "Select all" does get everything in a topic so that it can be copied and pasted - though I suppose HTML would be lost that way. I just highlighted the bit I was replying to and copied and pasted that. 'Select All' could get a little unwieldy with a long topic - you get the whole thing. Anna

I am so excited to have found this group! I have been watching this production over and over for the last three months and agree totally that Darcy's appearance does seem to change with the varying camera angles. But I think we get a "fuller" picture that way than just the most photogenic side (front or back)!

But don't you think he looks bloated in some scenes? Maybe he has a problem with salt retetion, like we women do around our periods! He could have been drinking one too many margaritas!

]Guess who spent the down time reading archives! Amy, What are the archives that Anna is talking about.Do you mean you have files of messages?If so could you e-mail them to me.Thanks.

I am sorry Irene. I did not answer your last round of email because I had not heard back from the first round where I asked you if you could unpack *zip files and if you were aware how enormous the archive is. Tell her, Anna. You are welcome to them, of course, IF. It just takes my 14,4 modem a couple hours to send them and I always like make certain people know what they are in for. Usually I send the first 1,000 messages first. Then wait for somebody -- like Anna -- to say, "more chunks, please." Amy

Good grief Amy - you are doing all this at 14.4?

Good grief Amy - you are doing all this at 14.4? ________________ I do not know what I am missing so it matters little.

Irene - amy is right, there are alot of archives - hours of fun. I received them over an ethernet connection at 10mb, so that was no problem for me. I'm terminally tidy, so deleted some of the early zip files after I'd read them, but I kept the later ones (list later if needed). Amy, if Irene does want them I'd be happy to forward the ones you sent me. Anna

Oh, would you, Anna? That would be great. You guys work it out.

re the archive files; I'll check which I have when I get to work tommorrow (Mon Eve USA time) and post a list of the ones I have, sizes etc. Then anyone who wants some or all can email me and I will email them back as attachments to a return message. in passing - I'd forgotten which thread this had come up in and had to scroll through them all to find it. Spring has some advantages (especially the 'new' button when one is in a hurry), but when it comes to seeing where all the threads are going, the multi system had alot to offer

Irene, and anyone else interested in the archives from Amy's board. The files I have are; 15-2m.zip 550 kb 2m-25.zip 764 kb 3m-35.zip 743 kb 35-4m.zip 564 kb 4m-45.zip 830 kb they're all zip files, and run from the start of the board up to about the beginning of November. I'll email a copy of any or all to anyone who wishes. Just send me an email (via thelink above) stating which you want (if you've got a slow link you may prefer them one at a time). I use Eudora for my email, the default code I use for encoding attachments is mime, if your system can't cope with mime I can also do uuencode or binhex, please let me know if you prefer one of these. I use this email address in office hours here; ~ Sunday to Thursday evenings in the USA, so there might be a slight dealy in your receiving a reply. The no.s in the names of the files refer to the number of the message. I started with 1-999, then jumped to 2,500, which is about when the R&V started, and went back later. If you're thoroughly familiar with P&P and P&P2 jumping around causes no confusion. I'm missing 1-999, 1m-1.5 and 2.5-3m, due to some over enthusiastic spring cleaning. Amy has the other files. Amy, if past experience leads you to think there will be several people wanting copies of the archive files, I'd be happy to act as intermediary if you wish. Otherwise they could email you directly for the files I don't have. I'm happy either way.

Anna, you are an angel. I take back my request for you to host. This can be your job so long as you wish to have it. If you ever start to get tired of having it or resent it or regret you offered, let me know immediately. Please. I am excessively attentive to all these things. Amy

Moving the archives discussion to a new topic

] Moving the archives discussion to a new topic Is that why #s 17 & 18 are empty, or did the text window eat them?

Is this topic frozen?

It doesn't appear to be. The topic creator or the host can freeze it if they choose to for some reason.

I don't think it was intended to be frozen - only to re-direct a side-thread to a topic of its own. The main topic remains unfrozen here.

I was only doing a test to see if Amy had frozen it when she started the side-thread. When my 'is this frozen' posted I knew she hadn't so I left it at that.

Going back to the original topic of Darcy's appearance: I remember reading a quote (I think from the director, Simon Langton,) saying that Firth looked so different in the movie you wouldn't recognize him as the same person in real life. Langton attributed the transformation to hair dye and he also said Firth lost weight for the Darcy role (somebody noticed he looked puffy sometimes, maybe that was before he lost the weight!) But I think Firth looks different in different scenes because of makeup. If you compare photos of the real Colin with Darcy, he was heavily made up for Darcy -- lots of eye makeup and probably facial contouring as well, which would account for differences in appearance in various scenes.

I don't think any character changes as much between and even within scenes as Darcy. I wished they could have filmed the proposal scene with one look. To me the change between the first part and the last few seconds is startling. I thought the actor was ill or on a binge. However, if he messes around with his weight that explains alot. Is there a reason for CF wearing a taller top hat than the other actors?

I also noticed that Ehle looked pretty different from scene to scene. Sometimes she had dark circles under her eyes, but considering she was in practically every frame and filmed for 5 months, that's pretty darned understandable!

Elaine - Proposal scene with one look? I don't believe I have the pleasure of understanding you! Pray tell, which proposal are you referring to? I never in my life saw anyone altered at all. Amy2 - I noticed dark circles under Jennifer Ehle's eyes in an evening scene where she is looking at herself in the mirror during the Lydia fiasco. You can see the beginnings of wrinkes, and she looks very dejected. I always took this to mean that she was thinking about her dim marriage prospects and how she is getting older, one of her major assets diminishing.

Elaine, he probably was very tired and upset after such an emotional scene. Have you ever read "The Making of P&P" book it does help to make things clearer.

That's interesting, Kathy. I didn't consider that they had added the wrinkles to Ehle for the scene. Since she herself is only 26, I don't think she has to worry about wrinkles in real life yet!

Kathy, I'll try to explain how the proposal goes on my tape. 1. Darcy (on camera in full decorative glory) says,"nor am I ashamed of the feelings I related. They were natural and just." 2. Darcy (off camera) continues, "Could you expect me to rejoice in the inferiority of your connections?" 3. Darcy (on camera looking odd) continues, "To congratulate myself on the hope of relations whose condition in life is so decid dly below my own?" The most obvious difference when the camera returns and he begins with "To congratulate..." is the hair. It is darker, longer, the curl more relaxed, flatter on top, bushier on sides. The bangs are swept to the left side since they are now too long to be tousled acrossed his forehead. This makes his forehead look longer and his complexion is pasty. I know this sounds particulary ridiculous, but his eyebrows also appear to be closer to his eyes. So, there you have it! This scene is the climax and my favorite. Without question Firth delivers but I wished editing had left it alone.

Wow! You guys are sure viewing this closely! Maybe you should submit this to the "Gaffe Squad" column in PREMIERE Magazine! (where people report continuity problems in films).

I think a very great deal of the reason for Firth's altering appearence is his seemingly-very-rapid facial-hair growth rate. It must have driven the makeup crew insane. He os often seen with a five o'clock shadow, which certainly changes the shape and appearence of his face.

Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that they added wrinkles to JE, only that in that scene they showed her in less than flattering lighting and/or makeup. Lighting can make a huge difference in how young, healthy, and energetic you look.

I wonder how much was make-up and how much was sheer exhaustion on her part. She mentioned in THE MAKING OF book that she had only 5 days off in a 5 month shoot, and that's brutal, to say the least!

Now come ladies...I'll tell you how he looked different...He looked great in costume and he looked even better wet! For evidence I submit to you the bath tub scene and the pond scene....now, you can have handsome or you can have him sexy....those are the changes I saw...as far as bloatness....I must have missed that....I was busy drooling, I guess!

To me Darcy looks at his best when he's wearing the green vest in the billiard room. I don't know what it is about that scene but he just looks dashing and strong especially when he shoots the ball in the pocket.

Linda, I agree with you wholeheartedly. He looked great to me in every single scene, and the only real change I noticed is that he seemed to get better looking in each scene. He was sexy in all of them. Shows how discerning I am!

Yep. Form hugging vest.... billowing white shirt....HHHHMMMMMMMMMM

HHummmmmm most indeed Just my imagination but did they made him to look younger (something with his hair perhaps?) during his scene of giving Wickham the banknote (or check) ? a tad vulnerable showing....

Ok now, this is something I can get into (and in my dreams, have!) Darcy's best outfit! I vote for the one he wears at the chance meeting at Pemberley (no, not the wet shirt-- it would be that, but I disqualify it for not being a complete outfit--complete enough for me, but that's another story!) No the outfit that he changes into...dark jacket, tan breeches, straining at the thighs, leather boots...a very nice outfit, especially pleasing when walking up stairs or running down them!

definitely The mere view of him running out, rushing down the stairs, looking every way to find her while buttoning his jacket, straightening it while fast walking to her...

Oh yes, Johanne, oh yes...:-) (come to Pemberley dear!)

Yes, Cheryl, but visually speaking, he looks pretty amazing in lighter colors. Particularly the way he is put together when he comes back to Longbourne (when he first walks in a bows - OOh La LA) with Bingley to go for the walk. White shirt, dove gray vest, dark coat, and gray overcoat and cream colored pants.

Oh yes, Sharon, I am excessively fond of most everything Darcy wears, or doesn't wear even.

Yes, Cheryl, everything you say is my idea too. Also like the long silk robe he puts on after the bath!! Favorite of all is the one he changes into at Pemberley, love those breeches!!!

Inko: Favorite of all is the one he changes into at Pemberley, love those breeches!!! Ooh baby, Ooh baby! ;-)

Inko: Also like the long silk robe he puts on after the bath!! I want to be the robe. Also the towel.

Anne3:I want to be the robe. Also the towel. Happy thought, indeed, Anne3. LOL

'Just my imagination but did they made him to look younger (something with his hair perhaps?) during his scene of giving Wickham the banknote (or check) ? a tad vulnerable showing....' Johanne - yes; what they did I do not know, but he was supposed to look younger; the voice over is telling us that the scene takes place when ''My own, excellent father died five years ago...'' (although... and someone else on the BB has pointed this out.. the end of this scene shows Wickham coming out and kissing the hand of Georgiana, who should be eleven years old at the time; not the same as the sixteen year old one which we see.)

'Just my imagination but did they made him to look younger (something with his hair perhaps?) during his scene of giving Wickham the banknote (or check) ? a tad vulnerable showing....' I've noticed this too, I think it's that they gave him more hair or combed it more on the forehead...?

It is the same"look" he gives Georgiana and Lizzie when they are both looking at him at Pemberely that he gives Wickham,that vulnerable look. IMHO

Ladies, what about his outfit during the Proposal Scene #1? I thought he looked very well indeed!

Yes, I agree that he looked exceedingly well in that scene. I never noticed that his looks changed at the end, as some others have. Someone mentioned that he was like a tiger in a cage -- I think that's an excellent allegory. But yes, sigh, he was gorgeous.

But yes,*sigh*,he was gorgous and better still