Bridget Jones's Diary - nowhere near the edge of reason (Part 4)

Always wanted to be either #1 or #1999 on one of these things, so here's my chance. Sorry to hear about your car, KJArt, but at least you had ODB to comfort you. Just imagine yourself and CF in rain after your car died, with CF wrapping his raincoat protectively around you. Now there's an image to warm your cockles--and some other parts as well!

Yes and I am sure you weren't " Ever so slightly less elegant under pressure." either Moon. Hope someone retreived your headscarf;-D

(LouiseJ) Just imagine yourself and CF in rain after your car died, with CF wrapping his raincoat protectively around you. Now there's an image to warm your cockles--and some other parts as well! Yes, I believe it was something like that... My cockles are truly toasty!! Thanks, Louise! ;-) KJ

A piece of advice: If your cockles get too overheated, rub them gently with dry ice! ;-) KJ

Sorry about your car KJ, and having to brave all that discomfort. I hope you get a new car soon. Only a Toyota - or a Rolls - would live 24 years anyway ;-)

Well, I had a serious BJ moment yesterday - I just got a new cellphone that has a clippy-dealie that you can use to clip it on your waistband or whatever. I had it clipped on my pocket as I was leaving work; I had to get home, grab some stuff, and drive up to SF for a concert. As I was quickly walking down the street, with my regular bag and bag of cellphone paraphenalia and remains of my lunch, the cellphone kept on slipping around so it would get sideways on my pocket. I felt so needlessly pretentious trying to arrange my cellphone and everything, and "Shut up please, I am very busy and important" kept going through my head. :)

I was hoping there'd be BJD calendar this year from the folks at calcom.uk.com (they make those huge UK calendars) but I just got this reply: I am sorry, but I don't think we will have a Bridget Jones Calendar or Colin Firth for 2002. Our preliminary lists from the suppliers do not include either of these titles. We have never had a Colin Firth calendar on our listings, but do keep an eye on the website once the new products are added (a little later in the year), just in case something is added to the list as a late arrival. V. sad. I had high hopes for this one. And it looks like this will be the last week for BJD in its last 2 theatres in Edmonton. On the bright side, I'll save money going to the cheap theatres; or not save money and see the movie twice as often!

(Bryonny)I'll save money going to the cheap theatres; or not save money and see the movie twice as often! I know what my choice would be! Actually, for me, it isn't so much about how much money I'm spending to see BJD, it's the ridicule I have to take from my friends. My DH is very patient about this, but I think he'll be glad to see BJD leave the theaters. However, he does expect that I will be glued to the TV as soon as the video/DVD comes out! I think BJD is at the end of its run in NJ, too. It's in very few theaters, with only one or two showings each day. I live in an area of huge malls and multiplex theaters, and I don't think there are any "second-run" theaters near me to take BJD through another viewing cycle. (My sister-in-law says that the second-run theater near her already has Pearl Harbor, but not BJD. I'm not sure what that means, though.)

And about calendars--I doubt that ODB would go for that. He has a jaundiced view of fame, and I think he'd feel strange knowing that he was on a calendar. He might be willing to be part of a BJD calendar, as it wouldn't be just him (OK, so for us, it is all about HIM). Actually, he might not have a choice about BJD-related merchandising. Can't the movie producers can do what they want with anything from the film??

he might not have a choice about BJD-related merchandising. That's right, bring on the MD, BJ and DC dolls! And make them anotomically correct. ;-))))))

BJD is still at number 4 in the UK Box Office and still showing at almost the same number of screens as a few weeks go. At �38.6million it seems set to overtake "The Full Monty" as the most successful British movie ever. BJD the Book is still at No 1, and TEOR is up to No 4 (nice to see that a lot of people are discovering that TEOR is a very enjoyable read...it got undeservedly poor (jealous?) reviews when it first came out. The soundtack is also, I think, number 1. For once, we're actually supporting our own. "The Mummy", by contrast, has only taken �18 million.

Congratulations Bethan.I bet Renee is really smiling away. After all the early whining from the press ,who could have guessed that the UK public would keep that film up there. Incredible.They should be commended.

I think BJD is at the end of its run in NJ, too. What part of our fair state do you live in, Kate? Or should I say, what exit? Yuk, yuk, yuk, a little Jersey humor there.;-) Down here, it's still playing in 15 theaters; the only difference from last week is that a few that were showing it on 2 screens are now down to one. Still getting decent crowds. Bethan, those UK numbers are phenomenal. I think it's close to $70 million here, which is considered very very good for a film of this type, but proportionately those UK figures are stratospheric. Let's see, that's about $130 million or so combined so far--on a film that cost in the mid $20 million range to make. It has to be one of the most profitable films out there this year, if not *the* most profitable. I hope hope hope CF does more Working Title films--for the most part, they make good, smart movies that the public actually wants to pay to see.

(Mari)Or should I say, what exit? I HATE THAT JOKE!!!! I generally have a sense of humor about being from NJ (northern), but I really hate that particular joke! (Moon)That's right, bring on the MD, BJ and DC dolls! And make them anotomically correct. ;-)))))) Hmmm. I forsee a whole new round of Hugh-bashing. We might have to forgo the nickname "Huge"!!! ;-)

Who could have guessed that the UK public would keep that film up there. Incredible.They should be commended. Evelyn commends the UK public! Never thought I'd see the day ... but it is interesting - if you assume no repeat viewings, ONE IN TEN of our population has been to the cinema and seen the film, not just the 18-24 year olds who normally make up 50% of the cinema-going public but the whole population (babies and grandpas too). Maybe that 50% demographic will be different for 2001. Obviously the stars and the director and producers take credit, but I seriously think that this audience has been "earned" most by HF, who infiltrated BJ's character into the national consciousness over several years. The character, like the film, has been more of a word-of-mouth hit than a promotional coup. And that whole word-of-mouth thing builds up into a snowball effect. Here in London, in many circles, people have to "confess" to NOT having seen the film, and explain why!

(Mark)Evelyn commends the UK public! Never thought I'd see the day .. ROTF, Mark. See how fair 'n square I am??? But watch this space when TIOBE is released;-))

(Mark)Here in London, in many circles, people have to "confess" to NOT having seen the film, and explain why! Bridget Jones, already a legend! :-)) Checked my paper this AM to find that BJD is still going in NJ, but on fewer screens. No theater in my county or any adjacent county still has it. Summer's here, kids are out of school. Atlantis, Shrek, and other such kid-friendly films are pushing r-rated Bridget out. Still, my newspaper still has the capsule review and a small ad. This week's ad says "THIS WEEKEND, GET IN TOUCH WITH YOUR INNER BRIDGET." the photo is just RZ, which is a good thing, because if they reduced the photo of the three stars to fit this ad, ODB's mother probably wouldn't recognize him!

No ad, no picture, only one theater in our medium city. Sigh.:-( A girl could get used to seeing his picture in her newpaper every week.

6/22/01 No. of times seen BJD to date: 8 v.g. but must make resolution NOT to see it again until out on DVD ;-) BJD has now moved to the 32 seat theatre in my cineplex. Was actually a lot of fun, (since I seem to have memorized the f$%^ing movie ;-D) to observe audience reaction "up close" and personal. Theatre was reasonably full, and many patrons enjoyed it v. much and got caught up in the movie. Especially the guys. Many audible gasps during finger snapping episode. There was one "oh sh*t" from a female patron when DC showed up at birthday dinner. V. funny. I do have one observation and question: Doesn't MTV give annual awards for things like "best screen kiss" and the like? The ending snog in this movie absolutely would win hands down! Since I'm in that over 40 CF demographic, I am not up on MTV, so would appreciate a heads up from you younger folk, so that I can tape the awards show. ;-D

(Mari) Or should I say, what exit? Yuk, yuk, yuk, a little Jersey humor there.;-) Stoppit. You are making me homesick. ;-) DH went moping off to see Pearl Harbor tonight. I refused (alas, BJD is no longer playing at that theater or I might have struck a deal with him). I saw absolutely nothing in the movie listings I cared to see--that is, down here at Exit 33 off the Beltway. ;-)

Meredith, I think the current MTV awards are "awarding" earlier films like Gladiator. Maybe next year for BJD if that kiss has staying power for the MTV generation. I know it does for the VH-1 generation. BJD's been out of my area for 2 weeks now though it's still in one theater in the next county. Movie pickin's are very slim outside of the larger cities.

Well, BJD is still in our big theatres even though more recent movies like "Evolution" have already been moved! I know I've seen BJD too much because I now spend most of my time watching all the background to see if I've missed anything. I laugh out loud during the "book launch party" as Natasha asks Salman Rushdie if his books are autobiographical. He says something along the lines of "What an interesting question. No one has ever asked me that before." I'm sure he's been asked that plenty of times. He's either humoring her, or trying to hit on her. And I'm obviously desperate to find even more reasons to see the film again. ;-) Plus, I rented "Nurse Betty" the other day, and the Olivier "P&P"! I'll watch any obscure connection now to CF and BJD. :-)

(Bryonny)I know I've seen BJD too much because I now spend most of my time watching all the background to see if I've missed anything. I'll bet there are still *some* scenes where you haven't spent much time on the background! I'm thinking newspaper delivery, I'm thinking omelets, I'm thinking snogging in the snow... ;-)

I'll bet there are still *some* scenes where you haven't spent much time on the background! I'm thinking newspaper delivery, I'm thinking omelets, I'm thinking snogging in the snow... ;-) LOL! This is very true. I can't wait to be able to rewind with a remote control!I've been watching the 'good' parts of RV lately, and that rewind button is very handy. :-) Also, the fast forward during the rest of it!

I visited my local Olsson's bookstore today to kill time, and what do I see as I'm leaving but a huge (no, not Hugh--*huge*) cardboard cutout advertising the BJD soundtrack. I of course promptly turned around and ran (no joke) back into the store. The clerk was quite helpful when I asked if I could claim it, until I said that I simply had to have it because Colin was on it. She then promptly burst out laughing. You would think that a person who works at Olsson's would appreciate ODB, as it is kind of the "thinking person's bookstore" of the DC area--or so I'd been led to believe. At any rate, the cardboard cutout was successfully claimed, so the whole experience was well worth it.

From Ananova: Nominees announced for Hollywood movie awards Bridget Jones's Diary, Pearl Harbor, Shrek, Moulin Rouge, Memento and Blow have all been nominated for the Movie of the Year Award at the Hollywood Film Festival. The winner will be decided by the public who can vote online at the Entertainment Tonight website or Variety online from July 1. For Actor of the Year the nominees are Johnny Depp, Colin Firth, Anthony Hopkins, Ben Kingsley, Ewan McGregor and Guy Pearce. Kate Beckinsale, Penelope Cruz, Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman, Julianne Moore and Renee Zellweger are all nominated for Actress of the Year. The winners will be announced at the Hollywood Movie Awards Gala Ceremony on August 6.

Yippee! I knew our ODB should be tops! Now, if only the everyone else thinks so as well.

What a line-up! He's gonna win it hands -down. Hollywood Movie Awards Gala Ceremony on August 6. Oh,Oh...he won't show -up..he'll be on vacation.

Hurrah! Well-deserved recognition at last. Mark your calendars for July 1 and get out there and vote. Or as they say in Jersey City, "vote early, vote often."

Hopefully, we'll be able to vote often, if they haven't been smart enough to detect the multiple votes!

Am making plans to reroute my driving patterns to go by the only Hollywood Video I know, plus I have some quality time coming up at a cable-modem-connected house. ;-)

(Kate)Or as they say in Jersey City, "vote early, vote often." I HATE THAT JOKE! Kidding!!!!! LOL! Full press release posted on 143. Evelyn, you took the words out of my mouth; he's just going to have to come back sooner from vacation.;-) We have to get the vote out for this one, gang. It's not a slam dunk.

The winners are notified in advance and they do show up for this one. Can't imageine him winning this one and begging off because he's lollygagging around Italy. Of course, cannot imagine him winning this anyway. ;-)

"vote early, vote often." Since when did Jersey City appropriate the Chicago city motto (is embroidered on our flag, you know, beneath the three stars)? ;-)

(Mari)It's not a slam dunk. Karen) Of course, cannot imagine him winning this anyway. ;-) I do. IMO his big competition is Johnny Depp. And he consistently plays weirdos .

Can't imageine him winning this one and begging off because he's lollygagging around Italy. Of course, cannot imagine him winning this anyway. ;-) Someone's finally got himself a publicist! I will be in Italy when this thing happens. I don't see him going to LA early in Aug. for this especially since he will probably accompany Will back home after the Holidays. He can always send a tape from beautiful Umbria. Since when did Jersey City appropriate the Chicago city motto (is embroidered on our flag, you know, beneath the three stars)? ;-) Something to be proud of, right, Karen? ;-)

(Moon) since he will probably accompany Will back home after the Holidays. After what holidays? Labor Day? Don't the kids start school before that? Besides, the kid has probably flown by himself quite a bit. (Moon) Something to be proud of, right, Karen? ;-) Absolutely, from the city that gave the country JFK as president! ;-)

(Karen)Since when did Jersey City appropriate the Chicago city motto (is embroidered on our flag, you know, beneath the three stars)? ;-) Trust me, The dead Democrats vote in Jersey City, too. There aren't as many as in Chicago, though. I just hope that the voting at the video stores doesn't invove punch cards and chads.

Our cemetaries have their own precincts. ;-)

(Karen) Since when did Jersey City appropriate the Chicago city motto Uh uh uh, Kate, Karen's right about this one. Though JC has plenty of its own charms about which to boast. ;-D (Kate) I just hope that the voting at the video stores doesn't invove punch cards and chads. *Heehee* (Karen) Don't the kids start school before that? Depends on the region. In the northeast they don't. In the south and midwest they do. Am not sure about LA--Jana? Winter?

Per their web site, classes in Los Angeles Unified School District start September 5 (day after Labor Day), but I suspect CF's son is in a "private" school, which may not follow the same schedule.

Even if it's public school, it may not be LA. Friends of ours just moved to Southern. Cal and their kids go year round--3 weeks on, 1 week off, 3 weeks on, etc. Apparently more school districts are pushing for this, as they're finding that they lose too much time trying to bring the kids back up to speed after the usual 2.5 month break, which was really designed to accomodate the agrarian society of days long gone. Must make it tough for working parents to have to arrange child care that way, though. Our cemetaries have their own precincts. ;-) LOL! Same here. We have voters (generally Dems, I must admit) who haven't had a pulse since the Coolidge Administration.;-)

Also, the Malibu/Santa Monica area has its own school district. From what I remember, Meg Tilly lives in the Malibu area, so they are likely not to be LAUSD (which is in big financial trouble, BTW).

I received this info by email, but no source as to where it came from. The Bridget Jones' Diary DVD will be released October 9 at $29.99. The disc will contain a commentary by the director, a Featurette, Music videos, deleted scenes, original diary columns and more.

Thanks, Karen. Sounds credible to me (don't fall over onto your keyboards, everyone ;-P).

Karen, do you know if the video will be the same as the DVD? ie will it have the same bonuses?

Videos generally don't have any *extras*. You have to get the DVD to see all the extra stuff, that's part of the popularity of them, plus the higher quality picture and sound.

ack - that means I have to buy a DVD thing. Sigh. Anyone think of any (legal) ways to make some extra money? Preferably not the way the wee boy suggested in MLSF? ;)

One can rent one, can't one, from Blockbuster et al? I dunno, I always went over to my friends' places to use a DVD player, until I sneakily moved in w/ a boyfriend who had one. ;)

You obviously have high standards in men, Laura. Good for you! My DH already knows that I intend to buy a DVD this fall. I recently told him that I would get a DVD for Bridget. He wasn't a bit surprised.

Kate: BJD is what is going to prompt me to get a DVD player too. By the way, is there any advantage to getting a multi-regional player, and if so, where does one purchase same?

Oh, Toyce, you're asking the wrong person. I'm just starting to research this--after all, I have until October to make up my mind. If I didn't spend so much time at Drool, I'd be checking out manufacturer's websites. ;-)

I saved this from RoP board: Elaborate on region-coding or on the P&P R2 set? Written by keeba (5/14/2001 10:32 p.m.) in consequence of the missive, Region 2?, penned by Haley [Back to Board] DVDs are coded by region, [Are you new?] North America [except Mexico] being region 1, Europe - region 2, Asia - region 3, Australia - region 4, etc. DVDs coded for one region will not play on players coded for another region. If you have a multi-region player you can get around this hardware restriction. But you also have to deal with PAL vs. NTSC. The cheap Apex player that I told people about last year is both multi-region and multi-format. You can no longer get this player but there are others on the market. The R2 P&P set includes a making of documentary and apparently, a much better DVD transfer than the existing R1 set. But A&E is expected to remaster the R1 set, presumably to match the contents of the R2 set.

I've been told to try Circuit City, although I'm sure it would have to be special ordered. I want one, just like you, to get all the extra goodies on BJD.

RE: multi-region DVD players - it is apparently now illegal to sell or purchase multi-region DVD players in the US. (This is how much power the movie-makers have in this country!) It didn't stop me from buying one, of course. If you'd like to do some research on multi-region DVDs, one of the best places is at DVDcity.com (http://www.dvdcity.com/codefree/codefreeindex.php3) where they are referred to as "code free DVDs". I went with the SMC DVD330s for a number of reasons. It's the least expensive It plays PAL on NTSC tvs, NTSC on PAL tvs, and all region DVDs It's 110/240 so I can take it if I move overseas It got great reviews It has been working great for me since I got it about 6 weeks ago. If you'd like further info, please feel free to email me (click on my user id above).

it is apparently now illegal to sell or purchase multi-region DVD players in the US Not quite true. The only ones that are illegal are those which disable anti-copying mechanisms. Being multi-format in and of itself is not illegal.

Sarah: Thanks for the info. My gosh! Are there players that do both VHS and DVD? Did I read your post correctly? If so, I'm buying one within the next day or two.

As we've all done so brilliantly on the BJD campaign, I think we should toss our names into the mix: Miramax veteran Granata leaving top publicity post NEW YORK -- Miramax Films president of publicity and corporate communications Marcy Granata on Monday announced plans to exit the company after seven years to "dedicate more time to her family for the next year." Granata, who said she will continue to maintain a "close relationship" with the mini-major, joined the company in 1994 from Columbia TriStar, where she had served as vp publicity for six years. Los Angeles-based senior vp publicity Janet Hill will act as head of the department during the company's search to replace Granata, who will depart Miramax after Wednesday. Miramax said Monday that its publicity activities will continue to be headquartered in New York once a replacement for Granata is found. "I've traveled a very satisfying road for the past seven years, and I cannot imagine a better professional experience or a more talented group of people than those I leave behind in Miramax's publicity department," Granata said. "Harvey and Bob (Weinstein) have been wonderful in understanding that I've recently started a family and want to devote full-time attention to them now." Added Miramax co-topper Harvey Weinstein: "Marcy revolutionized the Miramax publicity department and led some of the most successful campaigns in the company's history, including 'Pulp Fiction,' 'Il Postino,' 'The English Patient,' 'Shakespeare in Love' and 'Life Is Beautiful,' through our recent boxoffice success with 'Bridget Jones's Diary.' She is one of the most talented publicity executives in the business." The development comes after a flurry of staffing moves within the Miramax publicity division, including the recent promotion of Matthew Hiltzik to vp corporate communications (HR 6/21), and the appointment of Daniel Scheffey as senior vp publicity (HR 6/28). Elizabeth Clark will remain as head of publicity for Miramax genre arm Dimension Films, which recently tapped former CBS executive Emily Bear as a vp publicity.

Posted this on 150 too � Sam West�s replies to a questionnaire his fans sent him: If you had been offered a part in Bridget Jones' Diary, which role would you choosen? Haven't seen it. Umm... Anything that Colin does is probably worth coveting. (He's doing Hamlet next, which is nice) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SamWest/message/4508 His answers are very amusing.

OK, the BJD DVD info for the US has been released at a DVD website, and remember that VHS tapes are typically released on the same date. Note, that we're going to get to see the UK ending too!! Keeping up with the Joneses A true sleeper hit at the box office this past spring (to the tune of over $50 million and counting) Buena Vista will release a DVD special edition of Bridget Jones's Diary on 10/9. Features include an anamorphic widescreen transfer, English 5.1 surround and English and French subtitle tracks, an audio commentary with director Sharon Maguire, a making-of featurette, deleted scenes with optional commentary, two music videos, the international end credit sequence, the original Bridget Jones's Diary columns, and trailers. A very nice package, and retail is $29.95.

I don't want the UK ending.Sounds gross. Why, oh why, do they do this. I *hate* the US CD soundtrack too. Can't get it to work on my CD ROM. Can't wait to buy the UK version.

Excellent news, Karen! I'll put that date down in my calendar. the international end credit sequence... Is that the 'Have you met Miss Jones?' sequence that we saw in the US or the vignettes as seen by our friends in England? If it's the vignettes then I'm with Evelyn and will skip over that segment. However, I'll be ready to purchase my BJD as soon as it comes out!

Don't you think that "international end credits" means as an optional bit, the US DVD will have the UK credit sequence. Like a featurette, trailers, etc. If they only knew, that in a smallish corner of cyberspace, they could charge LOTS more... Just tell me where to pre-order ;-) Off to watch SLOW, which I recorded this AM.

Thanks for the info, Karen. I don't mind seeing the alternate ending, as long as they also include the paddling pool end credits as well--that was in the original script, after all. I dislike the idea of the film ending with yet more of you-know-Hugh. Wonder why they did that--maybe they thought the original that we saw here was too cute. "Cute" plays better in America than elsewhere, I guess. The paddling pool brings it full circle, explains what we've previously heard in earlier scenes, and puts the focus back on the central relationship--BJ and MD--which apparently was a love match from the start.:-) I don't want to complain too much though--am delighted that they're putting in some extras. And what $50 million? Try $70 million here and well over $50 million in the UK--and still counting.

Don't you think that "international end credits" means as an optional bit, the US DVD will have the UK credit sequence. Like a featurette, trailers, etc. Yes, I agree, Meredith. It seems they listed the things that are "extras," meaning in additon to what we've already seen in the theaters.

Right, all those things are *extras* The movie will be just as we saw it and then you go to the menu to watch the other stuff.

I think BJD has just crossed �40 million in the UK, making it *the* most successful ever British film. Has easily beaten NH and 4 Weddings.

(Bethan)I think BJD has just crossed �40 million in the UK, making it *the* most successful ever British film. Has easily beaten NH and 4 Weddings. And just wait until the DVD comes out. Those things will fly off the shelves! They better do a huge batch (whatever the DVD equivalent of a press run is).

Re the total box office of BJD: the following quote is from the Box Office Mojo site, which predicts that the foreign box office will be over $100 million. That, together with the U.S. $70 million and the DVD/video sales should make quite a tidy profit for somebody (wasn't the cost about $25 million?). I wonder if HF has a percentage? It looks like Bridget Jones's Diary should pass the century mark by the end of its foreign market campaign, with huge thanks to the U.K.'s $54.8 million (and still going strong) and several other markets. In Spain, it eased by 22%, retaining the top spot, and penning $3 million in 10 days. In Poland it has an excellent $1.1 million in 10 days and $1 million in 11 days in The Netherlands, where the market is falling.

I wish we could get some of the foreign reviews.

And translated too??? BJD has only opened in The Netherlands, Poland and Spain. There's been quite a lot in the Australian press, as it opens shortly. I'm sure either Ann or Cathey will post the relevant reviews from Australia. And, in terms of box office, wait until it hits Japan; it should do boffo business as they say. ;-)

(E)I wish we could get some of the foreign reviews. (Karen)And translated too??? Am I asking too much of you?? ;-)) Anybody see "Bridget"last night in Philly reading The Declaration of Independence? I missed the british accent;-)

I watched it last night, Evelyn. I thought it was moving and unique. Kevin Spacey in particular is a wonderful orator, isn't he? If he were advocating a coup, I'd *still* follow him.;-) And tell the truth, who had better fireworks, Philly or NY?;-)

.;-) And tell the truth, who had better fireworks, Philly or NY?;-) BOSTON!!!! hee hee:)

BJD is still at number five (or six?) in the UK Box Office charts, after sixteen weeks. BJD the book is still topping the charts, selling about 25,000 copies a week. It's not going away.

Just saw BJD for eighth and probably last time in regular theater. It was a good crowd--mostly women. Several (including self) knew all the "in" jokes. Heard several more chatting afterward about how good it was and how they wanted to read the book. One of them hadn't heard about it until her friend asked her to go tonight. I wonder which rock she's been hiding under? I suspect that many more "literarily and cinematically challenged" will discover the film on video, which bodes well for the sequel. One of the more subtle references to P&P2: I still love BJ's line to MD during the ruby wedding heart-to-heart: "you should seriously consider changing the length of your sideburns". Too funny. Sept 18th can't come too soon ("only" 75 days).

(Louise)One of them hadn't heard about it until her friend asked her to go tonight. I wonder which rock she's been hiding under? I ran into one of those at about week 7, and had the same thought. I really had to bite my tongue--wanted to say "Durr! Where have you been all this time, sieving your gravy or cutting up beetroot cubes?!?" I think I've already seen BJD for the last time. I had hoped that it might return for a stray week in a theater near me, but I could find it in only one theater about 2 hours away. And my local paper has no ad at all for it, which is disappointing, as I'd hoped to see them do something cute with the ad for this weekend, to go up against "legally blonde."

OKay, I have a really stupid question, Karen, I think you can answer it for me. I have printed out from archives all of the BJD weekly installments, but it ends in Sept. '98. Now, didn't it go until December of '98? How do I go about printing the next three months? AND no, I threw mine away when I did major house cleaning... Oh, am proud new owner of 1984 528e BMW (auto), that b/f bought for me yesterday!!!! (Ford Taurus that I had for one month died...)

Go to the Bucket's BJD site http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/bjdcols.html and you will find links to the rest of the columns. The Telegraph changed its naming system and somehow these are out in limbo, but available if you know how to find them. ;-)

muchas gracias, Karen. I knew I could count on you! All my friends are clamoring for them. (I should start charging!);)

you should seriously consider changing the length of your sideburns That reminds me, I was home sick, and The Pretender was on TV, and that phrase kept on going through my head. I swear, why do otherwise attractive men wear extremely strange haircuts and facial hair (cf the guy in The Invisible Man on scifi)? However, to bring this back on topic sorta :) CF has never had what I'd call bad hair, and in BJD I thought it was lovely. Perhaps cause he gets his hair done at that fancy salon mentioned a while ago. :)

CF has never had what I'd call bad hair, and in BJD I thought it was lovely. Too dark. I prefer light brown , his natural color. Like in WOF.

(Louise) I still love BJ's line to MD during the ruby wedding heart-to-heart: "you should seriously consider changing the length of your sideburns". That line was always a sure laugh-getter. I find it amusing too that Mark didn't take Bridget's advice. Sideburns are just as long when he returns from NYC. And after I just gave that spoiler away ;-), I hope it won't be much longer before all of our overseas cohorts have seen the film and will jump in. Gi, any hope?

You know you've seen BJD too many times...when you are curious about the tiniest detail, such as: What is it that the "urban family" is drinking when they meet to discuss the "just the way you are" episode. It looks a little like beer (or perhaps lager), but they are drinking it with straws. Some bizarre foreign drink? ;-D

Heide: I find it amusing too that Mark didn't take Bridget's advice. Sideburns are just as long when he returns from NYC. Interesting. . . I always thought Bridget meant that Mark should grow them even longer so that he would look even more like FD in P&P2! This was the only reference I could find in the film version to BJ's literary obsession with Darcy in P&P2. Does anyone else have any others?

BJD is still showing at 272 screens in the UK , not very much down on the 400 plus for blockbusters, and holding on to the number 5 spot. Hughie was in the news today, attending an Elton John charity bash. Hughie was in the company of Jemima Khan, and his new girlfriend, somebody Lauren. He moves in very starry circles! Would expect the DVD to do very well if it includes extra scenes!

Trust me, this has some relevance to this topic. ;-) From the Sunday Times: Costume dramas 'failing Britain' Richard Brooks, Arts Editor KIM HOWELLS, the new films and tourism minister, has called on movie-makers to make fewer period dramas because they fail to present the right image of modern Britain. He wants more realism, with film-makers addressing subjects such as the foot and mouth crisis rather than the bonnets and country houses of Jane Austen. In his first interview on the film industry, Howells said: "I'm not a fan of heritage movies. We're still cashing in too much on our heritage in our movies. It's the easy option." "Heritage" films have been a hallmark of British movie making for the past 20 years, with productions such as Sense and Sensibility, Mrs Brown and Howards End either winning or being nominated for Oscars. However, Howells, a former art student and ex-Communist but now an enthusiastic supporter of new Labour, said film-makers needed to look more at society today: "That includes political issues in the widest sense. When are we going to have, for example, the first film about the foot and mouth crisis? "I just heard on Friday morning a repeat of Jack Lemmon on Desert Island Discs. He said his best film was Missing - the one about a father's search for his missing son in Chile. It is political, but popular and well-made - the type of films we should be making." Howells also believed Britain was making too many "arty-farty" films. He said: "Too many film writers are allowed just to be literary. There is too much reliance on what I call the Cambridge Footlights and Rada school of film-makers." The MP for Pontypridd said he could not think of a British film he had really admired since The Commitments, which was made in 1991. He was not a fan of The Full Monty, which he called "clich�-ridden", nor of Four Weddings and a Funeral or Notting Hill. "I suppose I did quite like Bridget Jones, though," he said. Some tourism experts warned that his criticism of heritage movies, a genre made popular by the film-makers Ismail Merchant and James Ivory, could be counterproductive. The British Tourist Authority (BTA) said overseas visitors still regarded our heritage as the prime reason for coming to Britain. English Heritage said visits to Osborne House on the Isle of Wight, where Queen Victoria stayed, increased by 25% in the year after Mrs Brown. Visits to Kirby Hall in Northamptonshire also went up when it was a location for Mansfield Park, the 1999 film version of Jane Austen's book. Kenwood House in north London, another English Heritage-owned property, which was used in both Notting Hill and 101 Dalmatians, also saw a rise as a result. A gritty modern film such as Trainspotting, however, will not have brought visitors rushing to see the seamier side of Edinburgh. Both the BTA, which has been trying to counter adverse publicity from the foot and mouth crisis, and English Heritage said Howells was entitled to his views. Both bodies report to the culture department where Howells is a minister. "Britain is not a heritage theme park," said Sandie Dawe, marketing director of the BTA. "But tourists do enjoy our heritage, Americans in particular." Dawe said he thought the problem lay more with screen versions of "class issues" rather than heritage. "Too much of that has given the impression that we are a snobby society." Howells is expected to outline his views on the types of films Britain should make at a meeting tomorrow with Alan Parker, the film director and chairman of the Film Council. Howells, like Parker, is proposing that money should be directed towards better scripts and mini Hollywood-style companies. "I once went to Hollywood to look around and was hugely impressed with the way that their writers forgot about their egos and just wrote, rewrote, rewrote and rewrote again until it was right," said Howells. "What I admired was the factory idea. An industrial process, if you like." Later this week the Film Council will announce funding for seven film companies, which already have proven business and creative records. ~~~~~~~ All of which proves that communists have no financial sense. I can see them queuing up to see films about foot and mouth disease. ;-)

However, Howells, a former art student and ex-Communist but now an enthusiastic supporter of new Labour, said film-makers needed to look more at society today: "That includes political issues in the widest sense. When are we going to have, for example, the first film about the foot and mouth crisis? We spend our lives coping with the problems of "society today". Most people go to the movies to be entertained/amused/transported into other worlds. There's certainly a place for docu-drama, social reality, political commentary (perhaps more on television), but don't expect the crowds to queue up. Perhaps TIOBE should include some background shots of sheep culling, or how about the odd dead cow?

"The British Tourist Authority (BTA) said overseas visitors still regarded our heritage as the prime reason for coming to Britain. " Oh yeah...:-))))) "A gritty modern film such as Trainspotting, however, will not have brought visitors rushing to see the seamier side of Edinburgh." How about Hammersmith??? I dunno...I plan to take the BJD tour ;-)

Closed....sorry

There are some of us who want to see something inbetween glossy blockbusters, literary adaptations and arthouse films. BJD isn't deep, but is much more ... real than the likes of NH and Four Weddings even. The Full Monty WAS cliche ridden and patronising where the likes of Brassed Off was genuinely affecting and reflected Britain's social history. Literary adaptations have their place, but it is really an easy cop-out for filmmakers as they know the films will have an audience (unless they make a very poor film) and sell internationally. The class thing is a big deal especially over here. RZ being prepared to look less than her best wouldn't have happened in an American blockbuster. I don't mean weight either... look at Julia Roberts in Erin Brockovich. Poor and tired white trash, essentially, but she was a glossy version thereof. Designer rags, perfect makeup etc. Not worn down by the kids, poor skin, cig hanging out of the mouth and so on. You wouldn't see her shaving her legs unless it was eroticised in some way. CF in FP - scruffy, not designer scruffy, looked like an ordinary football fan. That's good. Not gritty social realism, and should have been *more* popular. But why is it the UK produces reams of literary adaptations and gritty rubbish (usually made by patronising posh Tarquins and Tristrams anyway) and poor gangster films (bored already, and why glamorise it?). Look at me, I've delurked and probably annoyed lots of you :( Oh well, I've been reading for ages. I was waiting to post until I could say something proper and it's all long and rambly.

Welcome Penny, you have not annoyed anyone I am sure, keep posting. Do I take it that you are from the UK as I am myself, and I agree FP should have been more popular and I can't quite understand why it wasn't as it had great reviews and on the 3 occasions I went to see it at the cinema the cinema was full and everyone seemed to enjoy it!!

I am indeed from the UK :) Thank you for your welcome

(AnnW)I agree FP should have been more popular and I can't quite understand why it wasn't That's news to me. I was lead to believe that FP was v. popular in UK. A hit. Welcome Penny.I like your social- conscious films... Billy Elliot, DQ. I have a hard time understanding some of the Scottish accents though. (Penny)The class thing is a big deal especially over here. We don't understand that mode here...find it boring.

Fever Pitch did okay at the box Office but not brilliantly but made up for it when it went to video where it did quite well but no it didn't do as well as expected at the Box Office.

Penny!! I've delurked and probably annoyed lots of you You haven't annoyed me, as probably 99% of the people who participate here agree about the sorry state of films. I go to many films and very few of the blockbuster variety. However I would disagree with you about Julia Roberts and her designer look in EB. She's an actress who is not afraid to do without makeup and I've seen it numerous times. Granted, she didn't gain the weight for her upcoming release "American Beauties"??? but I don't know how much of the film actually deals with the time when her character was supposed to weigh 60 lbs more. In terms of the flashy trailer trashy look for Erin B, all you have to do is look at the real woman she played and that's how she looked. She is a good looking woman, who wore flashy clothes and who put her boobs out on the front lines! ;-) Anyway, delurking is good for one's health. I can't imagine keeping one's comments about CF to oneself (although hiding them from one's family is not unusual).

(Karen)Anyway, delurking is good for one's health. I can't imagine keeping one's comments about CF to oneself (although hiding them from one's family is not unusual). Absolutely! I only delurked a few months ago, and I wish I'd done so sooner. It's a treat to be able to obsess knowing that others will understand. My sister-in-law, on the other hand, has been mumbling something about interventions...

Spare us from ministers who "know" their subjects! Just when we've all been having a good laugh about the new sports minister who can't name any sportsmen, we get a film-buff Films Minister who hasn't seen a good "British" film since The Commitments (er, I daresay it was a co-production, but I suspect the Irish will be spitting chips). Here's a hint why there may be so many period dramas, Kim - stories that have stood the test of time often make good films. (Of course updates of good stories can work too, like BJD)

Welcome, Penny! I found your comments very interesting. (Penny) There are some of us who want to see something inbetween glossy blockbusters, literary adaptations and arthouse films. BJD isn't deep, but is much more ... real than the likes of NH and Four Weddings even. I agree and wish there were more films "in between". Oftentimes after a grueling work week I can't find the mental energy to spend two hours with a hugely challenging arthouse film, but it usually seems the only alternative is a something silly and unmemorable. I also agree that BJD was a nice in between movie. Women and men from all walks of life seem to be able to relate the characters and situations which provides a more memorable experience than typical of fluffy rom-coms. (Penny) where the likes of Brassed Off was genuinely affecting and reflected Britain's social history. Ahhhh, I really, really enjoyed this film - so did my DH. It's one of those I can watch over and over again. There are so many finely drawn characters, great acting and a really poignant script that makes you feel the pain of losing ones livelihood through no fault of ones own. I wish more movies like this one were made!

Delurking. Brassed Off was a gem of a movie. My favourite.

simply can't wait to see it;o)

Welcome Penny, Mystery Man and Diane! (Mark), Here's a hint why there may be so many period dramas, Kim - stories that have stood the test of time often make good films. (Of course updates of good stories can work too, like BJD) Actually, there arent't many new period dramas being filmed. Nothing in comparison to the "trailer trash" "gritty gansters" "modern day grunge" films that are being made in UK. The "Foot and Mouth" may deserve a documentary, but it's not the Potato Famin, the Holocust, the Desaparecidos, the Balkans, etc. to warrant stories filmed. I subscribed to BBC/America thinking I would get period dramas and good documentaries, instead, the programming is quite the opposite. Let's not forget that BJD is partly a US production. (Penny) where the likes of Brassed Off was genuinely affecting and reflected Britain's social history. And it had music as a main character. That always helps.

(Moon) I subscribed to BBC/America thinking I would get period dramas and good documentaries, instead, the programming is quite the opposite. Wot!? You don't like to watch Men Behaving Badly 24/7? ;-) Be prepared for the next bit of British fluff to come down the pike... Greenfingers. Saw it last year and is nothing; totally forgetable IMO. However, you really should see Sexy Beast, not for the story or the ultra-stylish direction, but for Ben Kingsley's performance. Ray Winstone isn't bad either, but Kingsley's is a standout.

I've seen the Sexy Beast trailer. I'm hooked already. Can't wait for it to show up locally.

I watch some cooking game show on BBC America... with Ainsley Harriott (who I recall had a cooking/talk show here in the states for a bit). Most of the time, it's just a rehash of stuff I've already seen. I do wish they'd show ABFAB, LOVED that show!

(Moon)I subscribed to BBC/America thinking I would get period dramas and good documentaries, instead, the programming is quite the opposite. I agree. BBC-America came with my new digital cable package, and I haven't been excited about what I've seen so far. On the 4th they ran the six most popular Monty Pythons. OK, so I love the Spanish Inquisition and the Dead Parrot Sketch, but really, haven't we seen these enough?!? They do run some British movies, so I'm hoping to catch something with ODB in it. Who knows, maybe DQ may make it to BBC-America, not that I'm holding my breath. I will confess, sometimes I watch BBC-America just to hear the accents. BTW, was ABFAB a BBC production? Somewhere I read there's a new series being made.

Yep, it was a BBC production. They only did a few shows per year. Weird schedule. I would LOVE if there is a new series being made with the orginal cast:) Perhaps, they'll do a weekly BJD series. That would be cute.

It would indeed;OD

They only did a few shows per year. That's the norm with most British television shows. They only do about 6 compared to 20+ which is a full season here.

(Penny)The class thing is a big deal especially over here. (Evelyn) We don't understand that mode here...find it boring. I dunno, I love it. Especially since American filmmakers seem unable to deal with issues of socioeconomic class without resorting to tired cliches and racial stereotypes. That was one of the things I loved about Brassed Off, like others have mentioned. Speaking of the Potato Famine, Moon, has anyone read My Dream of You? It would make a good movie, kinda in the mold of Possession, with the current-day story contrasted with the historical story. ObBJD: BJD is still playing at 8 theatres in the Bay Area, mostly second-run cheaper places. I think I'll have to get one more viewing in before it disappears from the screens.

(LauraT), Speaking of the Potato Famine, Moon, has anyone read My Dream of You? It would make a good movie, kinda in the mold of Possession, with the current-day story contrasted with the historical story. That's an idea! I would see it. (Karen), Wot!? You don't like to watch Men Behaving Badly 24/7? ;-) Can someone please explain to me who the audience is for that show? "Ugly People Behaving in Their Usual Way." To think that the BBC is promoting in that US? (Laura), I do wish they'd show ABFAB, LOVED that show! If it's "Absolutely Fabulous" they do show it in the evenings. I do manage to sit through "Changing Rooms." It's fun to see what decorators can do on a small budget.

(Penny)The class thing is a big deal especially over here. (Evelyn) We don't understand that mode here...find it boring. (LauraT), I dunno, I love it. I love it too! I don't think they find it boring here, it is just not part of the culture. They're fascinated by royalty because they have become such a prt o the media and everyone knows who they are. But an understanding of the Upper class and the Lower class in a Monarchy would not interest most "politically correct" Americans. Yours truly is a royalist. :-)

Thank you all for welcoming me. Hey, I *like* Men Behaving Badly. But not for the men... I think Caroline Quentin is hilarious. She's usually good- in Jonathan Creek and Kiss Me Kate also. I would post some more about BJD and CF, but I have just swapped rooms with my sister (she is away at uni, I chose to study closer to home, her room is bigger) and have been moving furniture. I put something in the wardrobe before I moved the television to a more secure position on the IKEA shelving unit... bad move. Telly crashed down onto the back of my heel. Telly fine, heel KILLING. AAAAArgh I screamed. And then cried some :( Might watch my BJD pirate video later to cheer me up.

(PennyB) Hope you'll get better, I think CF will do the trick...;o)

Thank you all for welcoming me. Hey, I *like* Men Behaving Badly. But not for the men... I think Caroline Quentin is hilarious. She's usually good- in Jonathan Creek and Kiss Me Kate also. I would post some more about BJD and CF, but I have just swapped rooms with my sister (she is away at uni, I chose to study closer to home, her room is bigger) and have been moving furniture. I put something in the wardrobe before I moved the television to a more secure position on the IKEA shelving unit... bad move. Telly crashed down onto the back of my heel. Telly fine, heel KILLING. AAAAArgh I screamed. And then cried some :( Might watch my BJD pirate video later to cheer me up.

AB FAB is absolutely Fabulous. Just shortened it as it's easier. Brits like that only 6 shows? I'd go nuts! I watched Ballykissangel when it first aired on PBS a few years back, really liked it. But like everything else, it became a soap opera;) I think I've only seen Jonathan Creek once, the guy who plays him is quite funny.

sorry about the double post, my PC crashed :(

(Moon)I do manage to sit through "Changing Rooms." I love Changing Rooms! They made an American version of it that's on HGTV now that's sorta entertaining too. They're so much more realistic than most of the other home dec shows - I wish I had that much money and that much space and that much time! PennyB, hope your foot improves, oww. A good viewing of CF will cure most anything. ;) BTW, I just got Pride, Prejudice, & Jasmin Field from WH Smith and was reading it at lunch, and it's amazing how much it's like BJD. CF and RZ could slip right into the main roles (except RZ would have to dye her hair dark and gain weight again).

(Penny)The class thing is a big deal especially over here. (Evelyn) We don't understand that mode here...find it boring. (LauraT), I dunno, I love it. (Moon)I love it too! I don't think they find it boring here, it is just not part of the culture. OK. *I* find it boring. .. I'm a cultural boor. * Scratching head..wondering which last "class thing film" was a big commercial success....* Except for RV of course;-)

Two quickly come to mind. The one with Emma Thompson and Anthony Hopkins (forget the name) Plus, "A room with a View."

"Howard's End"

(Laura)I watched Ballykissangel when it first aired on PBS a few years back, really liked it. But like everything else, it became a soap opera;) It is running its final year in the US now, and the original writer/producer came back. It's less soapy.

From Screen Daily: Ladies Day: Lara & Bridget rule UK Who says there are no good roles for women? Films with female leads dominated the box office in the UK at the weekend. Computer-game icon Lara Croft demonstrated her pulling power taking $5.4m (�3.8m) in her first big screen venture: Lara Croft: Tomb Raider. Played by Hollywood hot-property Angelina Jolie, Lara Croft achieved a stunning $12,184 site average from 444 sites. The figures included one-day previews of $547,433 (�389,225). Meanwhile in fifth position and dropping just 19% from the previous week, despite being on release for 13 weeks, Bridget Jones's Diary continued to make a significant entry. The local favourite, starring Renee Zellweger, Colin Firth and Hugh Grant, has now taken $56.4m (�40.1m) at the UK box office. The comedy is only the sixth film ever to pass the �40m mark in the territory, behind Titanic, The Full Monty, Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace, Jurassic Park and Toy Story 2.

There will be an interview with Hugh Grant in the Danish magazine Eurowoman, witch is out from 26th of july, propably on the BJD-subject, as BJD is released in Denmark the 27th of july... I'll try to translate it to you when I get my hands on the magazine:o)

which even

Being not objective AT ALL about this movie (and CF), I'd be interested in any opinions expressed by those NOT obsessed with CF. What did your friends, who do NOT know the background of P&P2, mentions in the book BJD, etc. think of CF and the movie? Did they have the "ding-dong" reaction, and "who is this guy?!" or were they more interested in Hugh Grant? Just wondering about the general public's reaction to CF. If Katie Couric's reaction was any indication...;-)

A friend of mine, after we saw BJD, compared her reaction to CF to my reaction to Johnny Depp - very attractive, but not quite her type. Several of my female friends think that P&P2, and CF's performance in it, were a little too calculated-ly 'repressed Englishman to have fantasies about'. My boyfriend thinks I'm nuts. But that's nothing new. ;)

My best friend has teased me for ages about Colin. When we watched the video of SIL together, she told me that every time Colin is on screen I smile. And she's right. The first two times I saw BJD, my face hurt from smiling. Now, when I hear "Have you Met Miss Jones?" I remember how good I felt at the end of the move and I grin all over again. When I finally took this friend to see BJD, her reaction was similar to Laura's friends. Nice, but not her type. I think she was amused at my reaction to Colin. I almost smacked her when she said that Hugh Grant looked good. But hey, she's a big Kevin Costner fan, so Colin is clearly not her type. Several other women I know who didn't know much about Colin (they're not close friends, or they'd have heard LOTS about him from me!) are now fans. Not perhaps, as rabid as we are, but new fans are always appreciated. Another friend who saw BJD with me is a already big Colin fan. On the way to the theater, she said that she couldn't imagine that he looks better than he did as Darcy. I promised her that he does, and when she saw him, she squealed "Omigod! You're right! He's even better!"

As I posted here before, some of my friends couldn't understand why I liked CF, with his 'lactose intolerant' looks and all. And more than one of them also complimented Hugh's performance - one said he looks so much better as he aged. They prefer the funny Brit to the stiff Englishman - but I told them just think about what is under all that repression!!! ;-P

My youngest sister had no comments about CF but said HG was perfect in his role. Humph. As Seinfeld says, 'too much chlorine in the gene pool.'

Well, HG was the perfect Daniel. The first time you see him, the elevator doors open and he does this shifty-eyed thing that's almost reptilian. But how much acting did that take? Nobody involved in the film said "Oh, Hugh is so different from Daniel." But several people did comment that Colin is much more pleasant, livelier, etc. in person than he was as Mark. As the Master Thespian would say, "ACTING!"

Hugh wasn't acting (at least not all that much) when it came to Daniel. I believe he was only doing what came naturally!

my work mate (who is aware of my firthaholism) said she much preferred Daniel to Mark as Mark is boring (mind you, her taste in men ...??? I knew her last 2 boyfriends *ouch*) and Colin's sideburns are too long! However to be fair, when we watched SiL at her house a few weeks ago, she did catch on that she had to shut up every time Colin appeared on screen ...

BJD is about to open in Australia. Although its *official* debut is 26 July, most cinemas seem to be having advanced screenings commencing around 19 July; guess what I'll be doing on the weekend of 21/22 July? ;-) That's after I go on the evening of 19 July of course! A friend in Perth won tickets to a very advanced screening (over a week ago) and she tells me that we have the Hugh ending over here, rather than the USA ending. This is what I expected but was still hoping .... Nevermind, the kiss is still there ;-) I'm thinking of putting an announcement up at work to say "yes I know Colin is in a new film; yes I will be going to see it (even though I have seen it twice already; once with Colin in attendance)". At least they all seem to know who he is now. Once upon a time they would have said "Colin who?". Although I'm not a big magazine reader, I have been keeping one eye open for any *new* articles. I also have a friend looking for me too but as yet, there doesn't seem to be anything major; except for the Sun Herald article which Karen posted a little while ago. If I do find anything, I'll be sure to let you know.

RE: What non-obsessed people think of CF.: My friend commented on him during the boating scene; she said, "He is so jealous." She gets it! She gets it! How great he is at communicating without saying a word. :-)

HG was the perfect Daniel. The first time you see him, the elevator doors open and he does this shifty-eyed thing that's almost reptilian. In fact I thought it was an interesting twist with another - intentional? - link to P&P: this scene reminded me of the first few times we see Fitzw. Darcy in P&P - a total sourpuss... only Darcy transforms and Daniel remains the same.

I didn't think Daniel was sour. More like sneaky, untrustworthy, wonder-what-sort-of-trouble-I-can-get-into-today kind of guy.

I didn't mean that he *was* sour, merely that he *looked* sour in that opening shot.

No, Daniel definitely looks shifty. What is so funny about his introduction is that because he looks so shifty you know that Bridge shouldn't get involved with him, yet his shiftiness is appealing to women who think low of themselves, AND Hugh Grant is delicious (yes, delicious, I wouldn't kick him out of bed if he asked!)

a while ago, a bloke mate of ours asked why women didn't go for the nice guys but "the bastard with the twinkle in his eye" - we said, the twinkle, of course!! This, I think, is Daniel's appeal - Mark is the nice steady guy, sweet and kind, but women are drawn to the naughty twinkle Daniel has

OK, shifty AND sour, then. ;-) And I don't find HG tempting in the least. Or feel like I wanna go for bastards with the twinkle in their... whatever. But there just aren't enough Mark Darcys in the world to go round, my dears... or are they all drawn to little blondes with big busts and small brains? Typical men, eh? ;-)

First of all, most guys that are bastards don't allow you to see that until WELL into the relationship. And if I recall, Mark Darcy is a bastard just as well, he's definitely not perfect (Rebecca, anyone???). Mark Darcy cannot communicate his feelings, so he comes across as cold. (I'm talking of the books, articles, rather than CF's portrayal of him in movie). I see a blurring here. Mark does not clean up after himself, he steals flowers rather than purchase them and yes he's come round to Bridge's JUST FOR SEX!!!

(Laura)because he looks so shifty you know that Bridge shouldn't get involved with him, yet his shiftiness is appealing to women who think low of themselves Yes, it is. I've seen this too often with women I know (not me, I'm way too arrogant to put up with a creep just because he's cute). You want to tell them, "You can do better than this." So often, they find this out for themselves too late. Partly it's because such men don't show themselves for the bastards they are, and partly it's becaues the women refuse to see it. Bridget knows from the start that Daniel is not a nice guy. In the diary, she resolves not to get involved with a long list of characteristics that are exemplified by Daniel. And then she seems to regret email flirting with "office scoundrel." So she has a clue about him, but ignores it anyhow.

Daniel is paying attention to her. She's flirting, he's flirting, she's vulnerable. I mean Bridge mentions in her diary the type of person she wants to stay away from, but like a moth to flame, she can't deny the sexual attraction that she has to these "bastards". There is part of us that like the guy who isn't exactly what he appears to be. Think James Dean, Marlon Brando. I think we all have fantasies of being dominated at one point or another.

(Laura) Think James Dean... And what has he to do with the subject?

And what has he to do with the subject? As the bad boy...and the good girls who adored him...

Sorry, but that was not his persona. Are you thinking about, perhaps, Cal Trask in East of Eden or Jett Rink in Giant? Certainly not Jim Stark in Rebel Without a Cause. I wouldn't equate any of characters with the Daniel Cleaver cad type, nor would I put him in that category. Wearing a leather jacket doesn't mean one is bad boy.

Wearing a leather jacket doesn't mean one is bad boy. No??? Damn;) But YOU get my point!!! I bet had JD lived long enough he'd have played a cad, so it's now hypothetical:)

but Laura, even in the books, Mark may be unable to communicate but is esentially caring whereas Daniel is just a user - and the "user" bit comes across well in the film, IMO, when he turns up at Bridget's birthday dinner - total contrast to Mark who has tidied up the kitchen while she's cleaned herself up then he helps her (also does this in the book although the dinner party scenes are different)

I agree with both Laura (Daniel definitely looks shifty) and Echo (I don't find HG tempting in the least). I wouldn't have either HG or DC on a silver platter. As my granny used to say, "Handsome is as handsome does." I wouldn't waste my valuable time on someone who would probably enjoy Divine Brown's company as much as mine--more, probably, as she doesn't need to be wined and dined.

Ah this news items returns to BJD like a little boomerang... ;-0 From The Sunday Observer: My Left Foot and Mouth... and other tasteful tales by Euan Ferguson Almost enough fun has been had since 7 June at the expense of MPs who know nothing about their jobs - transport supremos who can't drive; sports Ministers who assume Formula One is the stuff sitting in a grim pool behind the Grecian 2000; Harriet Harman - but one that slipped under the net was Kim Howells, the new films and tourism Minister, who said last week that the country's film industry should now address its vast talents to contemporary issues. 'When are we going to have, for example, the first film about the foot and mouth crisis?' Not soon enough, Kim, obviously: but the trouble here is that you're giving us no guidelines. The problem isn't simply the idea of a British film about how a bovine virus caused varying levels of microeconomic destabilisation within the parameters of an already complex European farming returns policy - Hollywood lives for little else - but which type of British film, for we do, of course, only three. A soft orange light washes Cotswold stone. The strains begin of Richard Robbins' haunting 'Ode to Repeating The Same Five Gentle Lucrative Chords in Different Orders for Merchant-Ivory Forever and, Stunningly, Getting Away With It Rather Than Landing In Pokey'. Charles Dance, tenderly hefting his traditional farming tools across his broad shoulders - an ancient hoe on one, on the other his trusty Sturmey-Archer Brainfever III bolt-gun - turns to Maggie Smith with a sigh. 'In India, you know, cows are sacred.' She purses her lips, makes some acerbic reference to his father's sexual abilities, and we... Cut to: India. A soft orange light washes Delhi stone. Jeremy Irons, Helena Bonham-Carter and Emma Thompson engage in a wittering three-hour longeur about social mores and someone eventually takes off a petticoat by a river in the sunshine. We see some carvings of cows. Another two hours pass. Suddenly, nothing happens. Or we could, getting more modern, pull in Richard Curtis. Pretty American Girl in church, acting slightly archly: 'But, look... how can I come and live here while you've got this... cow thing?' Hugh Grant (after 10-second goldfish-mouth thing): 'Gosh. Um... yes. Um... no. Um... Josh?' Other Floppy-Haired Type, but fatter and richer: 'Not a problem, gorgeous. It only affects poor people.' Everyone laughs. Hugh kisses Pretty American Girl, to the haunting strains of in-jokes about Colin Firth and Helen Fielding. The audience smiles appreciatively, being composed wholly of Time Out and Guardian film reviewers who live next to each other. Or do we truly modernise, go the whole hog, pull in the Trainspotting team? A farmer shoots up into a distended green vein while standing by a silo of infected cowshit. Twa dabs and he's away with it. Blasted his jammy wee crozzle intae orbit. Up comes his wife and pukes on him and they slip right intae the shit an start choking on it. Robert Carlyle arrives, dressed as a Maff inspector and carrying a shotgun. The farmer gasps, his face a mask of blood and snotters and shit and puke, and begs: 'End it! Jist end it all, now!' Actually, Kim, maybe you're on to something.

Lord Karen, that was just tooooooo funny, for words. I especially loved the Merchant Ivory bit " Suddenly nothing happened ".....

That sounds very nice, but "Lady Karen" would be better still.

Long article about HG from the Melbourne paper about BJD: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/2001/07/16/FFXXB4R47PC.html

Thanks Karen. That's a hysterical article.The guy is a natural DC. Didn't know HF had been a former girlfriend. Helen gets around;-) "And Grant is now one of Britain's highest paid actors, commanding about $US 8 million a film, plus a nice percentage of the box-office profits." He'll make a bundle with BJD. Think Colin is getting a cut of the BO? Which would account for his willingness to publicize.

I found this little bit interesting in the Australian article:Some of the film's most outr� dialogue comes when Grant's blue language surfaces in the script (and boy, can he do blue). In the pivotal seduction scenes with Bridget, we get the unabridged Grant going through the gamut, from naughty ("Silly little skirt, silly little shoes, f... me, absolutely enormous pants") to frankly risqu� ("Turn over and let me abominate you").That last line is definitely *not* in the US version. I wonder if it's in the UK one. Someone wrote me that had seen both and mentioned that the 'wild dogs' done in voiceover twice are Alsatians in the UK version, as were in the book. Does the 'abominate' line appear in the UK version?

From USA Today (7/18): Hollywood dreams of sequels By Josh Chetwynd USA TODAY It's a Hollywood tradition: A good, old idea is usually better than an untested one. If a movie is a blockbuster (or sometimes if it just turns a profit), studio execs usually aim for a sequel. While those efforts don't always work out (Basic Instinct 2 appeared a go before casting problems, among other glitches, nixed it), Hollywood is always on the lookout. A few potential sequels that hope to cash in on their reps: * Bridget Jones's Diary. Early stages. Working Title, which produced Diary, has the movie rights to Helen Fielding's follow-up book, Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason. But there have been no specific talks.

In the UK version, we had "Alsatians" twice (accompanied by pictures of Alsatians, which don't look particularly wild to me, sniffing around a body). And definitely no "abominate".

I'll second that having just come from yet another screening! This was the funniest so far. I was sitting next to two ladies, and as the opening scene in Snowshill unfolded commented on the "luvlay" swans in the Jones' garden. I knew I was in for non stop comments. Phew! When they saw ODB at the TCB, they said "Is that Colin Firth? Is he Luvlay?" but were totally won over and I had to endure sighs and swoons from them. They kept repeating "No but he is gorgeous" and enjoying reading out all the slogans, labels etc to be seen in the film. The only time they were silent was when MarkG makes his entrance, so at least I could get my own back!! Why didn't I move ? Happy to say that even in week 14 the cinema was pretty full.

Happy to say that even in week 14 the cinema was pretty full It's still going strong (number 5 ?), taking more per screen than Pearl Harbour and the Mummy which opened later. The HG Melbourne article appeared first in the Telegraph magazine. All the initial promo in the UK concentrated on RZ (naturally) and "sexy Hugh". I remember seeing a BJD trailer on Channel 4 (target audience) and CF wasn't even in it. I'm not sure if this was a marketing ploy (keeping CF in reserve as the secret weapon, which, actually, doesn't amke sense) or whether HG was predicted to be the automatic draw, with CF as the also-ran. But after BJD opened, CF seemed to get equal ranking, and then more mentions than Hughie!

It was the same Stateside before the movie came out. I saw several trailers that didn't even feature CF at all, but Hughie was all over the place in them. I'm not surprised that happened in the States, coz HG is much better known over here, than Col, but I'm pretty shocked that it happened in the UK too.

BJD is actually at no 6 - it took �269,00 at the weekend, after 14 weeks. Hughie "riding high on his success in BJD" (quote)i s reported to have been offered the role of Gilderoy Lockhart in the next Harry Potter movie. That makes about the fifth role for Hughie I've read about! News of CF soon please!!!

Oh and I caught The Gnat on the cover of "Hello" or "OK" this week with Kate Winslet, so he's doing the celeb circuit, still resplendant with the "Tiggywinkle" cut.

Do we post film commitments for RZ here or on O&E? Or #150 (-; I've read about 3.Next is White Oleander.The latest on 7/17: FRom Variety: HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Renee Zellweger, star of "Bridget Jones's Diary", is in talks to star in "13 Going on 30," which is described as a female version of "Big". The director has not been assigned yet.

From an Australian review.... For some strange reason, Firth has spent much of his recent career portraying buffoonish cuckolds who lose their women to one or another fellow named Fiennes, from Lord Wessex in SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE to the ill-fated Geoffrey Clifton in THE ENGLISH PATIENT. Yet Firth has more sex appeal in his pinky than either of those guys, and than Hugh Grant, and if BRIDGET JONES is redeemed by anything, it's that Our Boy Colin finally gets the girl.

From an Australian review.... I love it, Bethan. Where is it from?

In case anyone wants to watch the trailers in German (Colin in German?? ugh), here you go: http://trailer.uip.de/bridgetjones/trailers.html

Have read today that RZ is in advanced stages of negotiations for the BJD sequel.

Really Echo, where ? Is it a reliable source ?

(review) Yet Firth has more sex appeal in his pinky than either of those guys, and than Hugh Grant, and if BRIDGET JONES is redeemed by anything, it's that Our Boy Colin finally gets the girl. OOH! A reviewer with excellent taste in men!!!! Firth has spent much of his recent career portraying buffoonish cuckolds who lose their women to one or another fellow named Fiennes This is the image many people had of Colin if they hadn't seen P&P. But before he was losing women, he was getting plenty of them--two out of three sisters in ATA, the serving wench in HotP (and the gypsy girl fancied him, too, I think), etc.

"Just curious", Echo, where?

Does the 'abominate' line appear in the UK version? I'm going to my first "Australian" viewing tonight, so I will pay particular attention and let you know next week whether its there or not. Its Friday for me and I'm not back at my computer until Tuesday.

(A chorus of curiosity) Where? Where? Where? ;-) Daily Express, probably the best quality tabloid in the UK... but they are citing "Hollywood trade paper Variety" as their source.

I guess the 30 going on 13 one will have to wait. This sounds good and both these ladies are among my faves. From Ananova: Renee Zellweger to star in comedy film Renee Zellweger and Toni Collette are to star in a new comedy movie, Why Can't I Be Audrey Hepburn? Ryan Murphy will write, produce and direct the �25 million film, set against the backdrop of the acting world in New York. The project has been in development for more than four years, with Tea Leoni once marked down to play the starring role. Ashley Judd and Buffy star Sarah Michelle Gellar were also keen to portray the would-be stage star who falls for a Broadway producer. Zellweger, who starred in Bridget Jones's Diary, has just finished making the drama White Oleander. Australian star Collette found fame in The Sixth Sense, and has just completed Stephen Daldry's The Hours with Nicole Kidman and Claire Danes. Filming of Why Can't I Be Audrey Hepburn? starts in the autumn.

(Mari) guess the 30 going on 13 one will have to wait. Since it doesn't even have a director attached, I would think so... Besides, RZ will probably need a couple of months off to be with her dog. ;-)

"13 Going on 30," which is described as a female version of "Big" Yeeccch. That's been sooo, like, done. Why Can't I Be Audrey Hepburn?...set against the backdrop of the acting world in New York...would-be stage star who falls for a Broadway producer Better.

I just saw "America's Sweethearts," and as the trailer shows, there is a fight scene. But it isn't much--no birthday cake, no "It's Raining Men," no crash through a window. And something else was missing, too... After the vigil we all kept watching for interviews and articles about Colin and BJD, I found the scenes of the press junket interviews very funny, especially noticing how anecdotes kept changing.

Has anyone seen "Legally Blonde" and wondered where the idea of the bunny costume (as seen in the previews on TV) came from? The storyline behind the reason for inserting the bunny costume gag is pretty familiar, too ;-). Oh well, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. The movie is actually very funny, and RW is very good in it. Reese's boyfriends in the movie reminded me of two other boyfriends, but as Kate says above, something was missing...no body plays the noble, helpful boyfriend better than Colin!

BJD is actually back up at number 4 (from number 5 last week)in the London Box Office! If there's a sequel, what happens to Hughie? Daniel's role in TEOR is only a cameo. Major re-write, or do RZ and CF carry the show?

My guess is Hughie pops up again in the sequel, if they are able to write him in. He is after all, a bigger "star" than Colin and, movie producers always have an eye on the drawing power of their actors. Plus, I think he earned some new fans with his bad boy image in BJD and, Hughie him self would probably want to capitalize on that. I for one, hope he comes back. I'm not a huge fan of his, but I thought he was very funny in BJD.

(Bethan) If there's a sequel, what happens to Hughie? Daniel's role in TEOR is only a cameo. Major re-write, or do RZ and CF carry the show? I guess it will be the major re-write. I can already see where the bad boy Daniel Cleaver could fit in: as the one who hides the drugs in Bridgets luggage. With many others I hope there will be more of Bridgets friends this time, which should be easy, because EOR was modelled after Persuasion. Now I wonder how it will go on after that since HF has not written a third part... I'm speculating: it will go to television, with some actors one has never heard of before, and will be made into an endless series. ;-)

Have just found out that Husbands-Bosworth is the name of a village in Leicestershire. How funny. ;-) Here are some aerial shots: http://www.skyfilmsnational.fsnet.co.uk/husbands_bosworth.htm

Iread somewhere that JK Rowling used to collect unusual place names ready for her books. Maybe HF does too!

Review of BJD from the Sydney Morning-Herald, which says: "There's a delicious irony to the casting of Firth, the only actor alive who can look interestingly grim and not just snotty." http://www.smh.com.au/news/0107/23/entertainment/entertain25.html

Thumbs from Down Under! Won't do any more spoilers save to say LOL at the bit about Hughie not just acting with his hair, c'mon , it wasn't the hair , was always the eyelids ;-) Thanks for sharing Karen

I always thought it was the hair which caused the eyelids to blink rapidly, which distracted HG and caused him to stutter.

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I've been trying to figure out who would be the best person to play swingy-haired, Mark Darcy-purloining Rebecca in the sequel to BJD. Rebecca reminds me greatly of Sigourney Weaver's character in "Working Girl", but I can't figure out who could play her. All of the actresses I come up with who would be perfect (Uma Thurman, Gwynneth Paltrow, Cameron Diaz) are all used to being leading ladies, so they are out. Have any of you given any thought to casting BJD2? Just curious.

(Louise)but I can't figure out who could play her What do you think about Elizabeth Hurley as Rebecca? Maybe the script could be rewritten to have her (EH) end up with Daniel (Hugh) instead of Mark's friend (who Bridget helps out with the woman problem). Therefore giving Hugh a bigger part (but not the best part ;-)). It might be pretty interesting.

Excellent choice! However, I would definitely miss seeing Rebecca ending up with fat old rich guy instead of luscious MD. I love the scene in the church where she's trying to get MD back. She might not be so desperate if she had DC in reserve. Also would hate to see HG trying to steal ODB's limelight. He should be left in a cameo role (if any), where he belongs. Who do you think should play Vile Richard and Simon?

This weekend's foreign box office report: After scoring a phenomenal $58.4 million in the U.K. and a lusty $8 million in Spain, "Bridget Jones's Diary" saw sexy figures in Sweden ($581,000), Norway ($465,000) and New Zealand ($207,000). Its foreign total is $74.6 million from just seven countries.

(Louise)I would definitely miss seeing Rebecca ending up with fat old rich guy instead of luscious MD. You're right about that. Maybe HG could be the one to gain weight this time for the movie ;-). Do you think HG would do the movie if he has just a tiny cameo like in the book? As for Vile Richard and Simon, I haven't a clue. But I'm glad you asked, Louise, since I was just thinking about who might work as Rebecca. I also think Cate Blanchett could handle Rebecca quite well. She'd give her all the appropriate nuances here and there.

Yes, she could definitely act the part. But the role definitely calls for swingy hair, and I always think of her with non-swingy hair (as in Elizabeth). Perhaps her real hair is swingy (can't remember enough about what her hair looked like in "Pushing Tin"), or she could wear a swingy wig.

Could this girl get any hotter? Super cast, if it comes to pass. From ET online, where you'd better all be casting your votes for Colin, RZ, and BJD today!!:-) REN�E IN CHICAGO July 24, 2001 | REN�E ZELLWEGER is in talks to join CATHERINE ZETA-JONES and KEVIN SPACEY in the movie version of the BOB FOSSE musical, Chicago. KATHY BATES is also on board for the adaptation executive produced by CRAIG ZADAN and NEIL MERON, the team responsible for recent musical TV hits "Annie" and "Life with Judy Garland: Me and My Shadows." Jones, who began her career in musical theater, will play Velma - the role originated by CHITA RIVERA in 1977.

Hot news on the BJD front. Looks like we have a date for the UK video release. It's Dec 3rd. I expect the delay has to do with the very slow rollout across Europe and other PAL countries. Wouldn't do to have the PAL video on the market when it is still in theatres. It can be preordered for �13.59 (�16.99 list) from: http://www.choicesdirect.co.uk/cgi-bin/ChoicesDirect.storefront/1338807406/Product/View/69296

BJD still showing on the multiplex near me, 4 times a day - Pearl Harbour down to 1 a day, Captain Corelli long gone - still haven't managed my ambition of having the whole cinema to myself for a totally exclusive experience *LOL* guess I'll just have to go again. how about Gwynnie for Rebecca - swingy hair, can do a Brit accent ;-)

How about Madonna ? Her English accent is pretty much flawless now and she ain't even acting......I'm kidding, I'm kidding.....runs to avoid bricks being thrown at my head....

Three very positive reviews for BJD at Urban Cinefile, a very thorough Austalian Film website and can you believe BJD is #2 in the Box Office and it is only previewing!wonder where it will be next week. Thanks Karen for the information re the relase of the video in the UK, is that the date for the DVD as well and do you know if there are any extra's for the UK. I hear there are quite a lot of extra's with the US DVD. Definitely going on my Christmas list.

I went to see BJD again (and got grief from the BF! the rudeness! ;)). It seems to me that the little things are what elevate this movie from just fun to really good - Natasha's uncomfortable look during the 'single 30yo women' conversation at the dinner party; Bridget's nervous "okay" before she started on the conversation with Mark by the Xmas tree; Shaz's little wave from the car near the end; etc., etc.... But am I the only one who finds the American ending credits bit kinda icky? I dunno, there's something about the kiddos mirroring what will happen in the future that just creeps me out. Everyone else in all the theatres I've been in sure thought it was cute, though. :)

I'm sort of like you. It's cute, but I'm not exactly fond of it myself. I like them using the song, but I think they could have left both the party and interview credits off. Not that I've seen the other version, though.

I love the home movies at the end! The whole paddling pool thing comes up several times in the film, so it's fun to see what *really* happened in the pool. From what I've heard, the home movies are better than the interviews (I never did like that park a bike/balance a pint of beer line).

never saw the home movies bit, being a Brit - if I go when in Oz will I see a different ending?

I loved the home movies ending also. I kept thinking that Mark was thinking of his eighth birthday party with fond memories every time he saw Bridget--and especially at her birthday party. She hadn't changed much and neither had he, really, not underneath where it counts--they were still soul mates. Hee, hee.

(Kate, LouiseJ) I love the home movies at the end! Me three. Was v. glad RC (assuming it was his idea) elected to look back, not into the future like he did in both 4W and NH. Would've hated seeing BJ and MD cavorting with their child or reading in the park over a preganant abd.

(Louise)they were still soul mates (Kate, LouiseJ,Eileen) I love the home movies at the end! The home movie was such a pleasure to watch and see that their relationship really did have such a tender start, especially after watching them "re-find" each other in the main movie. They became soul mates early on, whether they realized it then or not. As I watched the home movie ending, even the first time, it also reminded me of the TV couple, Dharma and Greg, who are very similar to Bridget and Mark. Clever Lucy-like blonde with tall, dark, and handsome attorney/barrister. D & G also had a soul mate beginning when they ran into each other on a subway as children while with their parents. Someone jokingly mentioned BJD as a series in the UK, maybe D & G could be used as a model, *hee hee*.

I thought the home movie was really cute too, it didn't bother me at all.

(Rachael) never saw the home movies bit, being a Brit - if I go when in Oz will I see a different ending? Sorry Rachael, you will have to get the USA video or DVD, we have the same ending over here as you guys. Seems to be the trend; we had the same MLSF as you too.

there's a different MLSF? in what way? oops looks like I need to spend some more evening reading old boards

(Rachael) there's a different MLSF? in what way? Yup, again the ending. However, the video in the UK *is* the US version. You would've had to have seen the movie in the cinemas in order to see the UK/Aussie ending (which also omitted the waltzing in the rain bit). You would probably see a discussion of the MLSFs on the Spoiler board but way back.

aha. I have the video - ex rental from Blockbuster - curiously, the branch I usually go to had sold their copy of SLOW, (curses!) another branch in town is still renting it, and the other had never had it - something to do with culture and location I guess. ooh if I tried hard I could sound like Natasha *slaps self, opens bottle of Chardonnay*

"in my 32th year.."; "...you're forty..."; "I was eight and you were four"; pray tell how can all these statements go together? (don't throw tomatoes, no nasa scientist here) :-(

Where did I miss "...you're forty..."? I don't remember Mark's age being mentioned at all.

I don't remember Mark's age being mentioned at all. Me neither; I guess I'll have to go again tomorrow now, just to make sure ;-) Such hardship!!!

Yesterday, Cathy and I carefully reviewed whether it is mentioned that MD is 40 and didn't hear it anywhere. Seems like Price Waterhouse was brought in to carefully check the movie before it was released. ;-)

According to Teletext BJD is #1 in Australia, well done CathyP and everyone in Oz. who went to see Bridget & friends.

(dina)"in my 32th year.."; "...you're forty..."; "I was eight and you were four"; pray tell how can all these statements go together? Dina, I think it was all the publicity that we were reading when BJD hit the screens (and during its run) that always mentioned that CF was 40 that was in your (our) mind during the movie because I remember thinking during the kitchen part of the birthday scene (probably on the 3rd or 4th viewing) -- "Okay, CF is playing someone younger than he is...that's not hard for him to do at all" ;-).

I think Bridget says, "...you're 40" to Mark at his parents' Ruby anniversary party, when she takes him aside to say that she likes him too.

(Marianne) I think Bridget says, "...you're 40" to Mark at his parents' Ruby anniversary party, when she takes him aside to say that she likes him too. Nope, we checked.

I think Bridget tells him he's haughty, not forty.

Brilliant, Mark, I think you've cracked it. She does tell him he's haughty. BTW, we waved at you.

Yup, I think Mark is right. I have no recollection of Mark's age being mentioned in the movie, other than him saying he was 8 and Bridge was 4 during the infamous paddling pool "incident".

Which makes him about 37 in the film. Effortlessly believable. "Okay, CF is playing someone younger than he is...that's not hard for him to do at all" ;-). And he has played lots of such roles from his earliest days - in AC, Dutch Girls, Tumbledown...

Obviously, I wasn't paying attention ... will just have to back and see BJD yet again.

I wanted to place an advance order for BJD on Amazon (along with the new P&P2 dvd), but they are not showing that BJD is due out on Sept. 18. Please tell me that Amazon is just being foolishly dilatory in not raking in advance sales, and that someone else will have BJD available on that date. Has anyone found it offered elsewhere?

(Louise) but they are not showing that BJD is due out on Sept. 18. I doubt the date is any good. The DVD will be out on 10/9. Both are typically released on the same date.

Darn. It was going to be part of my birthday present to me, but Oct 9 is too late. Here's hoping they're not kidding about P&P2 on Sep. 25. Must remember that will have Londinium in early Sept, P&P2 in lated Sept, and BJD on Oct 9. Talk about a hat trick. Am going to splurge on DVD player. My VCR's slo-mo/pause just doesn't do justice to ODB.

According to Teletext BJD is #1 in Australia, well done CathyP and everyone in Oz. who went to see Bridget & friends Thanks Ann. My opening line when I meet anyone I even remotely know is "have you been to see BJD yet? its a great movie, you must see it. If you need someone to tag along with you, just give me a call; I'll be available" Must be working ;-)

So it's not just me who did that tagging along line ... ;)

Update on the BJ DVD, from DVD reviews. Hmmm . . .no mention of deleted scenes. Am certain is oversight.;-) Take a peek at Bridget Jones's Diary August 1, 2001 One of the biggest box office surprises of the year has been the romantic comedy that kickstarted Renee Zellweger's career, Bridget Jones's Diary. The film, based on the Helen Fielding novel, pulled in over $71 million, and now it's coming to DVD from Miramax. This hilarious romantic comedy is the story of Bridget Jones (Zellweger), a 32 year old "singleton" who decides to take control of her life by keeping a diary. With a taste for adventure and an opinion on every subject - from her circle of friends, to men, food, sex and everything in between, she's decided to turn the page on a whole new life. Despite her efforts to get her act together, she finds herself caught between two men - a man who's too good to be true, Daniel Cleaver (Hugh Grant) and a man who's so wrong for her he could be right, Mark Darcy (Colin Firth). The new DVD will come with an anamorphic transfer and Dolby Digital 5.1 audio tracks in English and French. The disc will also contain an audio commentary with director Sharon Maguire, a behind the scenes featurette, music videos for Shelby Lynn's "Killin' Kind" and "Out of Reach" by Gabrielle, International End Credit Sequence, and original Bridget Jones Columns. "Bridget Jones's Diary" has been a crowd pleaser in theatres. On October 9th, the film will come home to DVD.

Here's the cover:

Sign up here to have the Sharon Maguire's audio commentary replaced by one of Col's......well, shoot we can hope can't we.

I think, as a minimum, one of those round table discussions, like the cast of "The Winslow Boy" did on the DVD, would be most agreeable...

From THR: "The United Kingdom record industry had its best-ever second quarter this year as releases from acts including Dido, Stereophonics, Travis and Destiny's Child drove album revenue up year-on-year by almost 18% to #227.8 million ($325.6 million), the Bitish Phonographic Industry said Monday. Total revenue from U.K. recorded music in the April-June period was up 14.1% to #254.5 million ($363.8 million) over last year. Other albums that helped boost sales included new releases by Shaggy and R.E.M.;compilations from Billy Joel and Eddy Grant; "Now 48," an all-star compilation of artists from EMI, Virgin and Universal; and the the soundtrack from the film "Bridget Jones's Diary."

With this, I'd say we can put any sequel filming to rest for some time. From Variety: Renee Zellweger is poised to join Catherine Zeta-Jones as the larcenous murdering dancer-singers who topline "Chicago," the Miramax version of the Tony-winning Bob Fosse musical being prepped for an early 2002 shoot. While Zellweger wouldn't seem the most obvious choice for a song-and-dance film, the actress has been eyed for some time by the studio that distributed her last hit, "Bridget Jones's Diary." Zellweger showed off her talents to the film's director, Rob Marshall, in Gotham late last week and demonstrated enough singing and dancing ability to win an offer for the role of Roxie. She accepted, and the dealmaking is commencing. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010808/en/film-zellweger_1.html

Good for Renee..going for muscial comedies.The only singing I've heard was the Christmas party in BJD. Doubt that would have gotten the Roxie role in Chicago;-)

Hmmm, I dunno about this. I love RZ, and I hope she does well, but can she and CZ-J handle the dancing? The original choreography was Fosse, and the revival was based on his choreography. Fosse dancing is a definite style, and (I've read) not easy to learn. I've seen plenty of musicals where they've dubbed the singing, but you can't dub the dancing. Well, you could body-double, but I doubt the producers would do that.

Karen-have almost *exploded* from inability to ask this question in the last 24 hours ;-) On your Locarno page at The Bucket, what question is CF answering when he refers to the "sequel"? I assume that he's talking about the book (EOR), but for a brief, irrational time, I thought it might be the movie. Was v. excited and overwrought. Am calm now... ;-) So glad to have the conferences back!

Well, CZJ started out as a dancer, doing musicals since her teens. As for RZ, this kid is fearless and an incredibly hard worker. She's not afraid to put herself out there and take risks. And Spacey and Bates are to be in this one, too? I'll be there when they open the doors! :-)

Rene Zellwegger is going to be on one of the talk shows this week. I know. I saw it on http://www.tvreviewer.com

I see that amazon.uk is selling a Bridget Jones's Diary Karaoke VHS tape on Aug. 27. Does anyone here know what that might be? And Renee will be on a rerun of the View on Aug.21. I don't think I've seen that one.

Don't know about the karaoke part. Unless they mean Bridget singing "All by Myself" in her jammies, "I Can't Live (if living is without you)" at Christmas party, and Happy Birthday sung during fight?

A guess, purely a guess, on my part is that you can buy karaoke versions of most of the songs on the soundtrack to play at parties, etc. Do people do that???

Saw this while thumbing through this week's Newsweek. It gave me a chuckle. Romancing New Readers To woo young women, bodice-rippers try to get hip By Jane Spencer NEWSWEEK Aug. 20 issue � In �See Jane Date,� a soon-to-be published novel, the heroine is a 28-year-old Manhattan publishing assistant who dreams about DKNY sweaters, frets about her hip measurements and goes through men almost as fast as she goes through Marlboro Lights. She spends her weekends drinking cosmopolitans at trendy TriBeCa bars and fantasizes about her Pierce Brosnan-esque boss. But even though the book is being published by Harlequin Enterprises Ltd., the reigning champion of supermarket trash, there are no Fabio look-alikes, wealthy cowboys or amnesiac brides anywhere within its 284 pages. �SEE JANE DATE� represents the cheeky new face of the $1.4 billion romance industry. In an effort to seduce younger readers, romance publishers are expanding into the exploding �chick lit� genre. The new titles aim to surf the commercial wave created by Penguin�s �Bridget Jones�s Diary,� a British import that sold more than a million copies in the United States and spawned a recent hit Miramax film. The loyal following of shows like HBO�s �Sex and the City� also convinced romance publishers that they needed to freshen their image. In recent months they�ve started peppering their plots with career-driven heroines, spicier sex scenes and urban settings. Harlequin is taking things a bit further, launching a new imprint called Red Dress Ink. �They�re edgy, they�ve got attitude and a certain hipness to them,� says Margaret Marbury, editor of the series. �See Jane Date� by Melissa Senate, due to hit stores this November, is the first book in the line. Harlequin intends to distance the new line from the lowbrow stigma associated with romance fiction. The name Harlequin won�t appear anywhere on the book jacket. (Harlequin will continue to publish its traditional offerings as well.) While eying the attractive new demographic, the traditional romance market is not about to fizzle out. Nearly 20 percent of all books sold are romances, and industry profits increase dependably each year. In the mid-�90s, however, many supermarkets and drugstores dropped their romance lines in favor of megasellers by authors like Stephen King and Danielle Steel. The change dramatically reduced the number of outlets stocking romance novels and considerably tightened competition in the field. Romance sales are also particularly weak among readers under 35, as titles like �The Widower�s Folly,� and �Outlaw�s Bride� may not strike a chord with the Bridget Jones crowd. To lure those readers, publishers are kissing the traditional romance-plot formula goodbye. Until now, novels followed a very familiar story line, says Harold Lowry, president of Romance Writers of America: �Boy meets girl, boy loses girl because of a problem of some sort, and then they work it out and live happily ever after.� All romances conclude with the promise of marriage, if not an actual walk down the aisle. (Publishers of gay and lesbian romances make a few necessary gender adjustments.) Harlequin�s Red Dress Ink books might be best described as �girl meets boys� stories, and they promise no tidy endings. Many in the romance world believe the uncertainty will resonate better with younger readers. �They might have trouble seeing a 28-year-old heroine settling down at the end for happily ever after,� says Hope Tarr, who writes romances for Jove�s Seduction line. In hitting the singles scene, romance publishers are once again showing their ability to target extremely narrow markets. Existing romance subgenres include Regency historicals (set in 19th-century England with titles like �The Prude and the Prodigal�)[ed. note: Pfft!], Westerns (populated by strapping Texan ranch hands), inspirationals (spiritual themes and no consummation of love) and Rubenesques (heroines are not perfect 10s). But in this instance, romance writers face ample competition from literary publishers and each other. �Personally, I think they�re getting there a little late,� says Donald Maass, president of the Donald Maass Literary Agency, which represents roughly 100 commercial-fiction authors. �There have been so many �Bridget Jones� imitations about neurotic women dealing with bad bosses.� And there has been some grumbling in the romance world over the break with tradition. However, many view the chick-lit invasion as simply the latest twist in a field that has been growing and changing since the day Jane Eyre laid eyes on Mr. Rochester at Thornfield Hall. �If we have a nuclear war, the only things left would be cockroaches and romance novels,� says Jennifer Crusie, a best-selling romance author for St. Martin�s Press. �You just can�t kill it.� Here's a link to the article and a poll (sorry, Ev) where you can vote for your favorite "chick lit" book. http://www.msnbc.com/news/612298.asp

Westerns (populated by strapping Texan ranch hands) Oooooh!! Visions of tight jeans. Any titles provided?? ;-) �If we have a nuclear war, the only things left would be cockroaches and romance novels,� ROTFLOL!

and Cher

(Eileen)Here's a link to the article and a poll (sorry, Ev) where you can vote for your favorite "chick lit" book. LOL. OK ,I voted....just because the *others* looked like "cockroaches". Bridget Jones's Diary" 31% "Girls' Guide To Hunting and Fishing" 11% "Sex and the City" 26% "Mr. Maybe" 2% Other 30%

The Prude and the Prodigal??!!! LOL! Now that is funny!!!

BJD is been advertised on tv now, but there`s only a short glimpse of Colin (from behind).Yet lot`s of HC. Was it like that in UK too?

Aha! Just voted in the chick lit poll. As a matter of research, I visited the site a second time. In case anyone is curious, yes, it is a "cookied" poll. (Odessa)BJD is been advertised on tv now, but there`s only a short glimpse of Colin (from behind). Depending on the shot, that isn't all bad. If it's the shot from first time we see him at the turkey curry buffet...

I really liked those glimpses from behind. I think that is how Andrew Davies added the Darcy element. It happens several time in P&P, too.

BJD is winning a lot of new converts to P&P! I enjoyed reading this (posted at IMDB) :-) "Brilliant - I only wish I'd caught it first time round. I recently read Pride and Prejudice, having read and enjoyed Bridget Jones and knowing that it is based on P+P. I thoroughly enjoyed the book, although it took a long time to get through as the writing is such good quality. I remembered the series being shown in 1995, and although I was too young to watch it or have any interest then, I still remember the way it captured the hearts of the whole nation in a way that nothing else had done before or has done since. I managed to scab the video off a friend, and settled myself down one evening to start watching it with my mum. I was expecting it to be good, but - what can I say, it blew me away. We watched about 2 hours that night, and the next day I was so impatient to see the rest that I watched the next 3 hours in one go, without my mum, who wasn't best pleased with me... All of the humour of the book was captured perfectly. The characters of Mr and Mrs Bennet, Miss Bingley, Lydia and Mary were all hillarious, although I must admit, there were times when all I wanted was to see Darcy! (That lake scene... I have never seen anything quite so erotic!) You could feel the sexual tension and chemistry between Elizabeth and Darcy, they must be one of the best screen pairings ever. Not many others could say so much with one look. I recommend this very VERY highly, although I do bitterly disappoint having missed out on the frenzy of 6 years ago. Hopefully some other such thing will come along soon. :-)"

(IMDB post)although I do bitterly disappoint having missed out on the frenzy of 6 years ago This fan seems to think the frenzy was something that took place 6 years ago and is now over. Little does she know...

Who's going to tell her? :-)

From Ananova: Bainbridge blasts 'chick lit' women's fiction Beryl Bainbridge has denounced women's stories about the search for Mr Right. Feminist writer Doris Lessing agreed and asked why women write such "instantly forgettable" books. However, Helen Fielding - creator of Bridget Jones's Diary - said critics had missed the point and the book was not meant to be taken seriously. Popular author Bainbridge, favourite to win the Booker Prize for fiction, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It is a froth sort of thing. What is the point writing a whole novel about it? "As people spend so little time reading it is a pity they perhaps can't read something a bit deeper, a bit more profound, something with a bit of bite to it." Lessing said: "It's a pity that so many young women are writing like that. I wonder if they are just writing like this because they think they are going to get published. "It would be better, perhaps, if they wrote books about their lives as they really saw them and not these helpless girls, drunken, worrying about their weight and so on." Fielding said: "Sometimes I have had people getting their knickers in a twist about Bridget Jones being a disgrace to feminism and so on. "But it is good to be able to represent women as they actually are in the age in which you are living." Feminist and author Jeanette Winterson defended the "chick lit" genre: "I am unashamedly high art. There is such a thing and we need it in our lives," she said. "But I also like entertainment. Chick lit? No problem. Bridget Jones's Diary? Love it, just great, and I feel completely easy with all that." And former Booker winner Pat Barker said reading such books was just a phase readers grew out of. "Young people, because they have an insecure sense of their own identity, love reading books that confirm that identity," she said. "I think as people get older they need that from their reading less and less and most of us end up much broader minded about what it is we are prepared to read."

Pat Barker said: Young people, because they have an insecure sense of their own identity, love reading books that confirm that identity," she said. "I think as people get older they need that from their reading less and less and most of us end up much broader minded about what it is we are prepared to read." My response to that, as someone not yet twenty one, is "F*** off, you patronising cow". (sorry) She may well have written Regeneration etc but that does not put her in a position to comment on the reading habits of young people. I read books I enjoy, whether high or low art (I'm with the excellent Winterson on this).

Another possible appearance??? Dinard film fest arranges date with "Bridget" "Bridget Jones's Diary" will make its French debut at the 12th Dinard Festival of British Film (Oct. 4-7), whose highlights this year include a tribute to the late John Gielgud.

Penny, love yuor response to the Pat Barker comment! "As people spend so little time reading it is a pity they perhaps can't read something a bit deeper, a bit more profound, something with a bit of bite to it." Maybe if you can't see the underlying depth in something like BJD, it's you who's not so profound, Ms Bainbridge. And if you make "chick-lit" more "deep" (trans: dull), people will spend even less time reading. Sad jealousy, IMO. Jeanette Winterson's viewpoint is as usual refreshing, and HF herself is serenely calm and non-defensive.

Ms Bainbridge is clearly just desperate for publicity so she can get a Booker prize. She's probably just bitter that Booker didn't give her one of her Cash 'n' Carry cards so she has to pay full price for her Chardonnay and ciggies and decided to go all pretentious and gobby instead of taking the Bridget route.

BBC News' take on same article. A few more quotes and more filler between them: Female fiction 'dumbs down' Has chick lit reached the end of the line? By arts correspondent Rebecca Jones Women are spoilt for choice. Go into any bookshop and there will be a pile of paperbacks, written by women, about women, who are invariably searching - for men. Among those on offer is a sweeping tale of love between cousins on an Argentinian ranch. Another is about a frustrated florist whose life "isn't coming up roses" and yet another promises to be "an eye-wetting read" about a smart single girl. Women buy more books than men and the publishing world is falling over itself to sell them what's become known as "chick-lit". But a literary row is brewing. The novelist Beryl Bainbridge has dismissed chick-lit as "a waste of time, this froth sort of thing". Beryl Bainbridge is one of the most influential writers of her generation, and is favourite to win this year's Booker Prize. On Friday she will be speaking at the Edinburgh Book Festival, discussing her new novel According to Queeney, about the last years of Dr Johnson. She despairs of literary dumbing down. "As people spend so little time reading it's a pity they perhaps can't read something a bit deeper, a bit more profound, something with a bit of bite to it," she says. The writer and feminist icon Doris Lessing agrees. And she cannot understand why women want to write what she calls instantly forgettable, poor literature. "It's a pity that so many young women are trying to write that," she says. "I wonder if they're just writing like this because they think they're going to get published? "It would be better perhaps if they wrote books about their lives as they really saw them, and not these helpless girls, drunk and worrying about their weight." The godmother of the genre is arguably Helen Fielding, who created Bridget Jones's Diary - about a single girl's struggles with sex and slimming. It has sold more than 1.5 million copies. Helen Fielding thinks critics of Bridget Jones have missed the point: the book is not meant to be taken seriously. "It's good for women to be able to be funny about women and not to be afraid to be funny," she says. "Sometimes I've had people getting their knickers in a twist about Bridget Jones being a disgrace to feminism and so on. "But the point is, it's good to be able to represent women as they actually are in the age you're living when you're a writer." But if Bridget Jones, and the hundreds of pale imitiations she has spawned, merely hold a mirror up to women's lives, they will never expand horizons or stretch intellects in the way serious literary fiction can. Surprisingly perhaps, the writer and feminist Jeannette Winterson, does not think that matters. "Look, I'm unashamedly high art, there is such a thing and we need it in our lives," she says. "But I also like entertainment. I have no problem with chick lit, I love Bridget Jones's Diary, it's just great. "It's all the muck in the middle I mind. I hate anything that's middle brow. Let's have art or let's have entertainment." And Pat Barker, a former winner of the Booker Prize says that type of entertainment is just a phase - ultimately it is something readers should grow out of. "I think chick lit and lad lit are to do with age," she says. "I think young people, because they have an insecure sense of their own identity love reading books which confirm that identity, which mirror their lifestyle choices back to them. "I think as people get older they need that from their reading less and less - most of us end up much broader-minded about what it is we're prepared to read."

"I think chick lit and lad lit are to do with age," she says. "I think young people, because they have an insecure sense of their own identity love reading books which confirm that identity, which mirror their lifestyle choices back to them. ] and I read PG Wodehouse and EM Forster does that mean I want to live in Victorian (Georgian?) England? I read for escapism. Reading about the escapades of Bridget or Elizabeth or whoever is WHY I read the books, should they mimic my life at the time, is purely coincindental and I will not sue;)

Sacrilege!! He should be erased from the movie and soundtrack. Is veritable slap in the face of all Bridgetophiles. ;-) (from the WeMakeUpPeopleNews site) Robbie in chocolate row: Singer turns down Milk Tray job Many women might swoon at the idea of Robbie Williams swooping through their bedroom windows armed with a box of chocolates and a cheeky grin. This image, however, will have to remain in the imagination for now � the former Take That singer has turned down an offer to be the new Milk Tray man. Cadbury offered the resurrected role to the singer, but angered him when they issued a statement advertising the fact. A source close to Robbie said: 'It looks like they deliberately linked their name with Robbie's for a bit of free publicity.' A Cadbury's spokesman said: 'Our offer remains � we'd still love him to be the Milk Tray man.'

Every magazine seems to have somekind of article about BJD/RZ/CF (because the premiere is tomorrow). One interview was made with the same style as Bridget`s interview with Colin. The interviewer was sorry that Colin`s shirt wasn`t more transparent, admired his voice, etc. (The actual situation had been very professional, I think)

My response to that, as someone not yet twenty one, is "F*** off, you patronising cow". Pfft! Love it, Penny--I'm with you. Helen Fielding rules!:-)

Hey Mark, something that is deep is not neccessarily dull. Take in our film discussions some day. ;-) "As people spend so little time reading it is a pity they perhaps can't read something a bit deeper, a bit more profound, something with a bit of bite to it." I like to do both.

Lord this condescending attitude of Beryl Bainbridge is so annoying. Why must we all be labeled as being shallow simply for liking BJD and such ? I hate it when the media has to put restricting lables on people and categorize them as only one sort of another. I have a stack of books by my bed that contains Jane Austen, Anthony Trollope,Charles Dickens, Paul Theoroux, Judith Krantz, and Helen Fielding. Sometimes I am in the mood for something heavy, sometimes I want the mindless escapism of Princess Daisy. Is that wrong of me ? Does that make me shallow ? I really don't think so. I strongly resent it when it is implied that I am some weak willed little doormat of a woman, simply binding time until my Prince Charming arrives to take me away to his castle, just by reading light fiction from time to time. Get over yourself, Beryl.

Not that I would ever intentionally point ppl toward literary theory ;) but there's an interesting body of work on the symbolism of the 'romance' and its development in modern culture. Some of the older books are painfully classist highbrow vs lowbrow stuff; later stuff is more accessible (if it isn't too academic), like the collection of essays edited by Jayne Ann Krentz (Dangerous Men & Adventurous Women: Romance Writers on the Appeal of the Romance, sez amazon). My point, slowly arrived at :), is that there's a lot more going on in romances than a literal 'search for a man', and these critics might see that if they weren't so determined that chick-lit is fluff before they even start reading.

these critics might see that if they weren't so determined that chick-lit is fluff before they even start reading. You don't think that these literary snobs have actually read any so-called "chick-lit", do you? The closest they have ever come to it is probably reading the sales figures for "chick-lit" and getting their knickers in a knot because the C-L figures are geometrically greater than their own "award-winning" book sales. It's "libris" envy, that's all.

A few months ago I tried to read Beryl Bainbridge - I found her pretentious and utterly boring needless to say I did not finish the book. I too have Trollope, Austin, Dickens etc. amongst my many books. The 'Booker' prize in my opinion is a bit of a farce - have any of you tried to read Salman Rushdie.

Nope, I did try Ben Okri's The Famished Road though, does that count ? Am not at liberty to divuldge if I got any further than Bridget did.

(Louise) It's "libris" envy, that's all. LOL! (Anne) The 'Booker' prize in my opinion is a bit of a farce - have any of you tried to read Salman Rushdie. Aw, I wouldn't condemn the Booker, as there have been many fine books/authors honored by its panel. (Possession won it!) However, I find it amazing that Bainbridge took out after chick lit, when she shares the shortlist with Nick Hornby's How to Be Good. While that's a good book, an enjoyable read that approaches philosophical issues, a literary agent I know in NYC, a veteran of the world of publishing, said that such a book would never be nominated for our Pulitzer, PEN Faulkner, National Book, or National Book Critics Circle Award.

Moon: Hey Mark, something that is deep is not neccessarily dull. Take in our film discussions some day. ;-) I know this (and the film discussions confirm it). It's Beryl's definition of deep that I was translating as dull. (But I did spot the winkie) ;-)

(Karen), Aw, I wouldn't condemn the Booker, as there have been many fine books/authors honored by its panel. (Possession won it!) Although P is a slow starter, IMO, that is the only exception. Have you tried the others? ZZZZ How to Be Good. While that's a good book, an enjoyable read that approaches philosophical issues, Philosophical issues ala Hornby? LOL!

(Louise) It's "libris" envy, that's all. (Anne) A few months ago I tried to read Beryl Bainbridge - I found her pretentious and utterly boring I think Beryl could use a good...*never mind* ;-)

good response from Jenny Colgan in today's G2 about the whole chick lit thing - if you can't get it via the web site I'll type it out for anyone who wants it

From Variety: In Germany, the video game-inspired picture [Final Fantasy] reaped about $1.69 million over three days, ahead of "Bridget Jones's Diary," which took about $1.29 million. In Austria, "Bridget Jones" took top spot with about $171,000, while "Final Fantasy" took $153,000.

BGD is still playing at a couple of theaters in Austin. Any idea on the DVD release date? I want to offer it on our website.

"It's Raining Men" is very popular in Italy this summer, even my boys know it. The original is so much better.

Back on the Beryl Beat... from The Times last Thursday: Q&A: chick lit Beryl Bainbridge, whose novel According to Queeney has been nominated for this year's Booker Prize, has denounced chick lit as "froth". Melissa Katsoulis, The Times Deputy Literary Editor, offers a guide to the genre. What is chick lit? It's cheap and cheerful, easy-to read fiction by, for and about thirtysomething women. Usually focusing on the quest for the perfect man / job / flat / hairdo. The warts and all successors to Jilly Cooper and Jackie Collins. Who invented it? Helen Fielding was the star of chick lit with Bridget Jones's Diary, but of course women's writing about finding a man is hardly a 20th-century phenomenon. Who are the big chick-lit authors? Marian Keyes has made her fortune with novels like Lucy Sullivan is Getting Married and Sushi for Beginners, and Wendy Holden has just followed the successes of Simply Divine, Bad Heir Day and Shell Shock with a new contribution, Pastures Nouveax. Other big names are Louise Bagshawe, billed as a young Jackie Collins, Anna Maxted and Freya North. What are the cheap imitations? You could say that the whole genre is a cheap imitation of writers such as Fay Weldon, Margaret Atwood and Angela Carter, all of whom have written about women's lives with real intellectual panache. Anna Maxted made her name as a writer of sex guides before segueing in to fiction with Running in Heels. Can men write chick lit? I think not. Realistic, affectionate, funny writing about the truth of women's lives today is something women do best. Plus many female readers want to read books by other women because turning to a book is like turning to a girlfriend - someone who automatically understands you and doesn't think less of you for crying over a dodgy haircut. Is there a trick to writing chick lit? The diary format of Bridget Jones was key to its success, but it has not been widely imitated. The trick seems to be having a flawed heroine - a woman whose life is not perfect and to whose anxieties about work, family and self-image we can all relate. Do any authors admit to writing chick lit? Not to my knowledge. I don't think women even refer to themselves as chicks these days, do they? How popular is it? The bestseller charts have been chick-lit-heavy for the last few years, and of course as many books are lent and borrowed as bought. So we can assume that most women under 40 are at least acquainted with the genre. Are there problems with defining chick lit as a genre? Men are probably put off, but I fear that their reading books about needy, scheming, thirtysomething women would only put them off women as well. One problem with the genre is the kind of jazzy, lower-case, pink-themed cover designs that suggest primary school reading schemes rather than grown-up fiction. Why is Beryl Bainbridge so critical of chick lit? Bainbridge is an important literary figure of many years' standing. Even if she does sit around fretting about her carbohydrate intake and dreaming about Colin Firth, she is not likely to consider such trifles the stuff of great literature. Writers are as diverse as any other profession and there is room for everyone - spring chicks as well as old mother hens. Is there an equivalent "lad lit"? Recently writers such as Tony Parsons and Toby Litt have joined Nick Hornby on the bestseller lists with books about thirtysomething men facing roughly the same problems as Bridget et al. So far these exponents of "lad lit" have not been received with the same degree of disdain - Parsons, Litt and Hornby are all good writers. But as the genre grows there will be more room for bad books. That's when the claws will come out.

she does sit around fretting about her carbohydrate intake and dreaming about Colin Firth LOL! Now she's hitting on a universal theme.

I can see the next iteration of this story. The headline will read: Bainbridge A Fraud!!! The Times discloses she's a rabid calorie counter and obsessed with Colin Firth. ;-)

From THR: Bridget Jones's Diary" will have its French premiere when it opens the 12th Dinard Festival of British Film on Oct. 4, organizers said Monday.

I don't think women even refer to themselves as chicks these days, do they? I dunno, I do. In a rather ironic way, anyway. "Stop the PCing of language - reclaim yourself as a chick!" - ? There's a wink-wink-nudge-nudge Darcy reference in the Earlene Fowler book I'm reading; I'll type it in when I'm at home.

I don't think women even refer to themselves as chicks these days Well... in this context I'd have to refer to myself as old bird - and that I absolutely refuse to do. ;-P

There was an article in the Canadian news today about how the Toronto-based Atlantis-Alliance film company is turning a profit this year with much thanks to BJD. I don't know what their share of the money was since there were so many companies represented in the opening of the film (Studio Canal, Universal, etc.). That reminded me of all the people given credit for "Romeo and Juliet" in SIL. Meanwhile, BJD is still playing here albeit in the cheap theatres, but many films have come and gone since BJD's release. The prints must be absolutely shredded by now. Maybe I should go and check. Or can I hold out for the DVD? I suppose I should get a DVD player :-)

Wednesday August 29 4:06 AM ET Bullock, Grant pair for laffs By Dana Harris HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant will star in an untitled romantic comedy targeted a Christmas 2002 bow in theaters. Bullock will play a successful but somewhat neurotic attorney, with Grant as her enchanting, reckless and moneyed boss. Bullock's Fortis Films will produce the picture. Shooting will begin next February on location in Gotham. The Castle Rock/Warner Bros. project was written by Marc Lawrence, who will make his directing debut on the film. His writing credits include Castle Rock's ``Miss Congeniality,'' starring Bullock, and ``Mickey Blue Eyes,'' starring Grant. Bullock and Grant are coming off strong box office performers, ``Miss Congeniality'' and ``Bridget Jones's Diary,'' respectively. Castle Rock's next release is ``Hearts in Atlantis,'' a coming-of-age tale starring Anthony Hopkins. It is set for a Sept. 28 release.

Thanks, Mari. We now know of several HG films post BJD. What about ODB? Why is he not able to make a killing after the success of BJD? We need to get some psychology expert here to explain this phenomenon. ;-)

Let's put this in perspective. Huge has only made one film since Bridget (AAAB) and Colin has done the same (TIOBE). The only difference is that Huge's name has been floated in the press as being up for a number of movies, none of which is apparently being made as yet. We should be hearing something soon and it will likely be going under production far sooner than Feb. *fingers, legs, toes and eyes crossed*

Karen, I pray you're right. **Novena card in hand** I think Moon is just bracing for the letdown that some of us have experienced all too often. Moon, ah feel yo pain, honeychile.;-) Helen Fielding is listed as a guest on David Letterman's show this Friday. Not sure if it's a re-run--I don't recall her being on before. And speaking of Letterman, sorry, but I can't resist posting last night's top ten list: Top Ten Ways Gary Condit Can Improve His Image 10. New campaign slogan: "Oh, like you've never killed anybody!" 9. Blame everything on his idiot brother Jeb Condit 8. Stop screaming at reporters, "Holy crap! I'm actually getting away with it!" 7. Get himself really cool nickname, like "G. Conditty" 6. Release lengthy list of former interns he did not kill 5. Announce he hasn't been the same since the break-up with Nicole Kidman 4. Grow a full, reassuring, Kenny Rogers-style white beard 3. Confess, resign, serve 50-to-life 2. Focus on the 25% of voters who don't think he's a loathsome prick 1. Have sex with Monica Lewinsky

HF on Letterman? Interesting. Letterman isn't on reruns this week (although Leno is). (Mari) bracing for the letdown Wot! You know something I don't, like which project?? He's got to go back to work some time. Documentary filmmakers don't make all that much to support his lifestyle's requirements. ;-)

No inside info here. It's called fearing to hope for the best while preparing for the worst.;-) Hey, I'm a lifelong Phillies fan, after all. He's got to go back to work some time. Well, he does have those "film commitments" come . . . January.

(Variety) The Castle Rock/Warner Bros. project was written by Marc Lawrence, who will make his directing debut on the film. His writing credits include Castle Rock's ``Miss Congeniality,'' starring Bullock, and ``Mickey Blue Eyes,'' starring Grant. Two films with wonderful premises but awful scripts, IMO. Am glad CF is not attached to this new one. (Letterman) 7. Get himself really cool nickname, like "G. Conditty" ROTF! Too funny!

My personal favs are: 6. Release lengthy list of former interns he did not kill 5. Announce he hasn't been the same since the break-up with Nicole Kidman 2. Focus on the 25% of voters who don't think he's a loathsome prick (Mari) Well, he does have those "film commitments" come . . . January. Could be December or February too, but you know how it is on those hush-hush projects that no one else seems to have...

Gee, another romantic comedy for Hugh G, now THERE'S a shocker !!! It's nice to see Hughie stretching himself artistically. I can see him now, smiling bashfully at the judge, hair flopping O so endearingly into his eyes as he mumbles " Actually your honour, I'm terribly sorry but if its all right with you, I'd like to object. " Hysterical top ten Mari. Ya gotta love that Dave. But I have to ask, do a whopping 25% of Californians NOT think G Conditty is a loathsome pr*ck ? Who are these people and should we take up a collection to help pay for the medical care they obviously need ?

Funny, Mari! I might cheer up at his birthday bash. Top 10 Reasons why Colin can't attend his Birthday Bash: 10. Filming in Penn. 9. Filming in OK 8. Filming in NJ 7. Filming in D.C. 6. Filming in LA 5. Filming in Canada 4. Filming in London 3. Filming in Rome 2. Filming in Chicago 1. Filming in Miami *Hey, he just got that video cam. and Luca is sooo cute* ;-) Documentary filmmakers don't make all that much Calling her a DF is an exageration, please!!!

Now, those wouldn't be my "worst fears" hehehe

Love the list, Moon. Think #3 needs to drop to #10. ;-D

I just assume he was traveling, Eileen. ;-)

Bullock will play a successful but somewhat neurotic attorney, with Grant as her enchanting, reckless and moneyed boss Enchanting? I thought that Hughie was going to play a tennis pro who falls in love with an American during the Wimbledon fortnight (yawn, yawn). Or is that another project? Mark Herman's CV at PFD lists "New Cardiff" (in development Buena Vista/Fragile Films))as his current 2001 project (Writer/Director), which makes it sound pretty definite, for him at least!

From Screendaily: Bridget Jones's Diary records $100m Robert Mitchell in London On a weekend that saw a sharp disappointment for UK box office hopeful Lucky Break, UK mega-hit Bridget Jones's Diary passed the $100m international box office mark, having debuted in several territories, including Germany, Switzerland, Hungary and Finland. Distributed in most international territories by UIP, the romantic comedy has taken a massive $104.1m to date and clearly has a long life ahead of it, with several major territories including Hong Kong and France still to receive the feature. Starring Texan actress Renee Zellweger and leading British talent including Hugh Grant, Colin Firth and Jim Broadbent, the film has seen strong numbers in most territories. Last weekend's releases saw Bridget beat off fellow opener Planet Of The Apes in Switzerland where the film managed $181,217 from 35 screens. Although losing out to Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within in Germany, the comedy scored $1.96m, placing it ahead of five-week German box office leader Der Schuh Des Manitu. Hungarian and Finnish audiences awarded the film with the leading position in their charts where it grossed $110,078 from 24 screens and $295,921 from 36 screens respectively over the three-day weekend. Bridget's good legs in other key territories include the UK ($60.5m) where it dropped out of the top 15 for the first time in 20 weeks at the weekend; Spain ($11.3m), Australia ($8.9m), The Netherlands ($4.9m), Sweden ($3.3m), Norway ($3.1m), Poland ($3m) and Denmark ($1.6m). The Working Title produced film opened to number one positions in all of these territories. Bridget Jones's Diary should easily surpass the $117m achieved internationally by Brit hit Four Weddings And A Funeral, but has a long way to go to match The Full Monty (over $210m) and Notting Hill (more than $245m).

Bridget Jones is only a half Monty.

Karen, does the figure of $210m for the Full Monty and $245m.for Notting Hill include the US because I am sure the the figure for BJD of $104.1m does not and the $70m. or so it made in the US would certainly bring it nearer to TFM & NH.

From Now magazine: "Hugh wants to be a millionaire Huge Gnat is to pit his wits against Chris Tarrant on a special edition of Who Wants to be a Millionaire. The Four Weddings star is a big fan of the show, and hopes to win money for charity. TV company Celador are hoping to sign up one other big-name star for the special edition of the quiz." Hmm, an intelligent and well-informed celebrity rival for HG? Nope, nobody springs to mind.... ;-)

(Ann) does the figure of $210m for the Full Monty and $245m.for Notting Hill include the US Haven't a clue, but the intl figures for BJD given above surely do not. You might want to write Screendaily. Celador are hoping to sign up one other big-name star for the special edition of the quiz." Ooooh! I'd pay extra to see that. ;-) BTW, Huge has talked about how he's a Millionaire addict on our chat shows.

Finally seen BJD last evening. It has been advertised on newspapers in the last two weeks "Cold - Unavailable - Always ready for a romp" - who do you think this means? Because none of the main characters can, IMO, be thus described. Anyway. Went with my best friend, who laughed all through it, and at the end said she wasn't fond of any of the 3 main actors but enjoyed the movie and could relate to a number of situations. She said she'd take Daniel over Mark, adding I knew what poor taste she had in men. Had read only one review. Sorry, Ev, I'm not going to translate the whole thing, but what it came down to was, "much of the book's edge has been lost in this adaptation", and the fault is strangely but indubitably HF's, who had control over everything - from writing the script with ex-boyfriend Richard Curtis and Andrew Davies to choosing pal to be director from controling the cast. Don't ask me where they got the idea from. Now to the movie: I loved it. Must see it again, of course, although I was already aware of much that was going on thanks to everybody's comments here (thanks, ladies!). I never looked for C B-C. But of course I looked for MarkG, and excitedly told my friend about you just as you were moving across the screen. Many scenes wee much better than I expected, namely, the whole birthday dinner sequence and the fight scenes. Hugh's lines are great. Like in P&P2, where I liked Wickham very much for a while and then... not, while Darcy grew on me, this is exactly how I felt about Daniel and Mark (I'm not talking about Hugh and Colin). Hugh seems to be a great kisser... Colin is getting better though ;-) I got the "international credits" at the end, and liked them mainly because of Daniel ending up with a transvestite... Oops! But I suppose everybody has already seen this movie so this is no spoiler anymore. Please forgive me if I'm wrong. Also saw MLSF which has come out directly on video. A nice movie but didn't do much for me, I liked SLOW better ;-) On the Edward-&-Heloise-in-the-barn-question, my take is, nothing happened beyond a few unwanted kisses and petting. If she had been raped, she would not say such a lame thing as "Don't ever do this again; You're behaving like a child". She gets angrier later, when she mulls over it, more because of what she considers his hypocrisy. I know. Wrong topic. But this is all I wanted to say anyway :-) This and Welcome to all recent arrivals, hope you will enjoy it here.

Mark Herman's CV at PFD lists "New Cardiff" (in development Buena Vista/Fragile Films))as his current 2001 project (Writer/Director), which makes it sound pretty definite, for him at least! Bethan, what's PFD--I'm blanking here. So, Charlie the weirdo Webb isn't adapting his book for the screen? And Mark Herman is the same guy who did Little Voice (which I really enjoyed)? If so, I'm feeling much better about this one!

(Ann) does the figure of $210m for the Full Monty and $245m.for Notting Hill include the US Apparently they don't, Ann. I was just checking the box office figures at the imdb and it looks like the figures above are close to the figures shown for "non-USA". BTW, very positive user comments for BJD continue to come in on imdb--nice to see so many people from around the world embracing it!:-) Hello, Gi!

Mari, PFD is an agency. Surely, you remember the Mark Herman bit. That's who Nick Hornby had told me was attached to the movie.

BTW, Huge has talked about how he's a Millionaire addict on our chat shows. Our chat shows, Karen? hmm I wonder when BJD will be in Italy. The Venice Film Fest. starts this weekend. Has anyone checked? I have a feeling it might be there. (If they got to the Italian translation yet) ;-)

Surely, you remember the Mark Herman bit. That's who Nick Hornby had told me was attached to the movie. I honestly don't. Was struck down with apoplexy upon hearing "no Hamlet"--everything else about that conversation is a blur, I'm afraid.;-)

True, it was posted during the early stages of Nohamlet trauma at: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/150.186 Mark Herman was also the writer/director Brassed Off.

Hallo Mari :-)

(Karen) Documentary filmmakers don't make all that much to support his lifestyle's requirements. ;-) I have a tacky question: does anyone know how much CF was paid for doing BJD? I think Huge got $4M and Renee got $2M so, could ODB have gotten at least $1M?

so, could ODB have gotten at least $1M? If he did we can expect him to take a very long holiday...:-(

Well, I'm crossing my fingers for New Cardiff given the director's previous work and the descriptions of the book I've seen. One can always hope.

could ODB have gotten at least $1M? Yes, he definitely could. Why not? The question is, did he?

Didn't he get that for SIL? For BJD he may have got more.

Gi: It has been advertised on newspapers in the last two weeks "Cold - Unavailable - Always ready for a romp" - who do you think this means? I suspect that "Aloof. Unavailable. Ice-queen. Hmm, fancy a shag, though" doesn't translate too clearly into Portuguese.

Mari, thanks for the info re Box Office nos., however, don't you think it is odd that they don't include US Box Office figures.

The BJD Box Office figures must be for non-US markets only. If combined BJD must surely be over $170 million by now? Well, I'm crossing my fingers for New Cardiff given the director's previous work and the descriptions of the book I've seen. One can always hope. Regardless of who gets the lead role, I think that this will be an easy movie to sell, in the UK at least. We've had a very successful stage revival of "The Graduate" (still going strong, loads of publicity) and if you combine this with "Director of "Brassed Off etc", you'll spark press and public interest. One of the reasons BJD did so well in the UK was that it was extremely well promoted...everyone knew that the movie was coming. �40million is really fantastic....especially when you look at the performance of the recent string of small British movies (good reviews too) which are taking about �1million and then disappearing. Didn't he get that for SIL? For BJD he may have got more. I can remember seeing various figures in the press (whether they're accurate is another matter!)........for BJD, HG $8million, plus a share of profits (oh lucky man!), RZ $3million. I know the original (pre-Hughie) budget quoted for BJD was only $8million, so go figure! SIL...Geoffrey Rush (with his Oscar) was quoted as earning $300,000.....I don't think ODB would have been in the same league!

SIL...Geoffrey Rush (with his Oscar) was quoted as earning $300,000 Maybe my memory is playing tricks but I thought GR got $2m and CF $1m. $300,000 doesn't sound much for an Oscar winner does it?

Would this be pounds or dollars?

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don't you think it is odd that they don't include US Box Office figures. Ann, it seems to me that these articles resulted from a press release that the non-US distributor (Universal/UIP) put out, and therefore would only include figures for the countries in which it had distribution rights. Miramax distributed over here, and apparently UIP doesn't/can't report on those numbers. I agree, it's misleading when the press prints it as a worldwide figure. BTW, BJD is still playing in a theater near me and I'm sure elsewhere, though Miramax has stopped reporting its figures for the purposes of those box office charts. It will be interesting to see what the final tally will be. It will do very, very well in video rentals, I predict. One of the reasons BJD did so well in the UK was that it was extremely well promoted...everyone knew that the movie was coming. �40million is really fantastic It certainly is. Just goes to show, give the people something they want to see, in a quality production, and they'll come out for it. Good for the UK audiences for supporting it so fantastically. Regardless of who gets the lead role, I think that this will be an easy movie to sell, in the UK at least. We've had a very successful stage revival of "The Graduate" (still going strong, loads of publicity) and if you combine this with "Director of "Brassed Off etc", you'll spark press and public interest. I just read the Graduate is being brought to Broadway with Kathleen Turner reprising her London role; should do well. Mark Herman's work has gotten good reviews here and has done decent box-office too. I'll have to get hold of the book. Do you think CF would commit to filming in Vermont, though? I'm not trying to be a wiseacre here, it's just that clearly he has committed to working close to home. On the other hand, I suppose they could film in England, as large parts of New England look like parts of England.

I saw Kathleen Turner in The Graduate, with the excellent young Welsh actor Matthew Rhys (has had a run of poor UK movies, not his fault, but great on stage and TV and is Ioan Gruffud's best friend and flatmate). Great production, crap set. Well, I didn't like it, anyway. We had a spare ticket and sold it outside the theatre no problem, tickets were that hot.

Do you think CF would commit to filming in Vermont, though? And I just turned an invitation to Vermont for the leaves changing! AKA Autumm. When would this start production? Vermont air good for Luca, not the winter, it is d... cold.

New Cardiff will be filmed in Canada.

Canada's rather large. Will it be in BC? And when?

CF maybe be coming to Canada?! Pray, someone get me my smelling salts!!

Having forgotten my fiduciary reponsibilities to stem potential hysteria and garden-variety rumor-mongering... (MM) New Cardiff will be filmed in Canada. Pray tell, how do you know this?

British Film Institute

Please elaborate. Plus there was a question of where in Canada and when in addition to the more relevant one of is CF in it.

(MM) Oh, heck. These are my real life initials, but I'll be damned if anyone tries to pin this one on me as well (since I traditionally get blamed for most of the mischief around here). Fortunately (in this particular case only!) I have no links to BFI. Pray, continue, MM.

MarkG, thanks for explaining - that sounds more like it.

Yeah! Gi, I'm so glad you saw it finally. Is Portugal the last country in the world to finally unveil Bridget? It was well worth the wait. Hugh seems to be a great kisser... Colin is getting better though ;-) Ooooh, quite so. Go see it again and again.

so, could ODB have gotten at least $1M? (Allison)If he did we can expect him to take a very long holiday...:-( Not with his lifestyle...think homes in at least two countries, think air-fares,think school fees... So glad you finally got to see BJD, Gi. Has DH seen it? Approved?LOL . I fondly remember YDH saying he was no longer 'objective' on CF projects. Dear man:-))

Is Portugal the last country in the world to finally unveil Bridget? It is not out in Italy. Gi, I can't believe you like SLOW better than MLSF. Is BJD dubbed or did you get it with subtitles? In Italy, it will be dubbed. :-(

BJD will be available to rent at Blockbusters as of Oct. 9th.

I like SLOW much much better than MLSF In fact, I was going to ask, I really like the music in SLOW, and since its hardly likely to be available as a soundtrack album ;-) does anyone know if the bands who did the music for the film have released anything?

oops wrong place, sorry, thought I was in topic 150 note to self ... *concentrate* get off drool boards, get back to writing shower scene for Beth .... *ROFL*

(Heide) Gi, I'm so glad you saw it finally (...)It was well worth the wait. Indeed it was :-) (Evelyn) So glad you finally got to see BJD, Gi. Has DH seen it? Approved?LOL . I fondly remember YDH saying he was no longer 'objective' on CF projects. Dear man:-)) No, I saw it with a (female) friend; and really doubt whether DH will be willing to see it. He was told that it was "a film for women, not for men" :-( Perhaps he'll be curious enough, though... (Moon) Gi, I can't believe you like SLOW better than MLSF. Oh definitely. Edward is too much of a clown for my taste, also (possibly because events are seen through a child's eyes) the characters are shallow and the plot underdeveloped. In SLOW, the marriage arrangements, the hyerarchical distinctions, the cultural surprises, were quite believable, and Matthew was very attractive. Is BJD dubbed or did you get it with subtitles? In Italy, it will be dubbed. :-( We never get dubbed unless it's animations meant for children. Thank the gods! It would be unpardonable to miss out on some actors' voices ;-) I once saw part of a Mel Gibson movie on spanish television - dubbed - and half his charm wasn't there.

Actually Rachie-poo, I was kinda' hoping for a sequel to the burnt out coffee pot scene. I was thinking maybe a burnt out oven or a microwave..... But hey, I'm not one to stiffle someone else's....ahem..... artistic impulses, so a shower scene will perfectly ok.

I was just checking Amazon.com and noticed that BJD is #24 in sales rank and P&P2 DVD is #34, and they're not even available yet. They also seem to be making an effort to get more of ODB's "classic" films in stock, although they seem to be running out rather quickly. Hmmmmm. Do you think maybe their ordering "wizards" have figured out that people can't buy it if you don't have it? Someone should give them an award for figuring out the obvious. Maybe some of those "hard-to-get" videos like AMITC will appear soon. I'll keep you posted.

Another article analyzing BJD's potential for end-of-year awards from THR's Martin Grove: Looking at the rest of what's already opened this year doesn't present a wealth of likely nominees, but there are more worth mentioning than you might at first think. In April, for instance, there was Miramax and Universal's well-liked "Bridget Jones's Diary," for which Renee Zellwegger is a likely Globes nominee for best actress (musical or comedy) and a possible best actress Oscar nominee, although comedies often don't get the respect they deserve from Academy voters. On the best picture front, "Bridget's" best prospects are in the Globes where it could compete for best picture (comedy or musical). With the right campaign -- emphasizing its story's more serious side -- and sufficient other awards sizzle, it might have best picture Oscar potential, as well. "Bridget's" prospects are attractive on the writing front for its screenplay adaptation by Helen Fielding and Andrew Davis and Richard Curtis from Fielding's novel. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hollywoodreporter/columnists/grove/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1040573

I thought there was a conspiracy of silence here not to talk about the O****s for fear of hexing the film Is there a Best Extra category?

Silence has the least relevance to the Oscars. One must create buzz and throw big bucks at the media in order to secure even a nomination. Will start campaign for Best Extra. Off to look for AMPAS' email addy. How would you like your name shown, Burberry Man? ;-)

(Karen) One must create buzz and throw big bucks at the media in order to secure even a nomination. Go Harvey! Go Harvey! Never mind all that stuff we wrote about you when MLSF came out. We think you are brilliant. ;-D HarVEY! HarVEY!

What else does Miramax have coming out? I know he sunk big bucks into Gangs of New York.

Lord of the Rings is another Weinstein Bros.

Miramax has The Shipping News (Kevin Spacey, Judi Dench, Julianne Moore)coming out on Christmas Day. Director is Lasse Halstrom. That and Gangs Of NY will get a huge Oscar push. RZ too. New Line is the studio behind Lord Of The Rings. Did anyone see Helen Fielding on the Letterman show last week? She was funny and adorable as usual. I think that's the nicest I've ever seen Dave be toward anyone; he was truly charmed. They mentioned her script of BJD a number of times; methinks HF is prepping for awards season, and good for her. Dave briefly held up a copy of Cause Celeb--which was published eons ago--but they didn't even talk about it, so there really was no other logical reason for her to be on.

(Mari) methinks HF is prepping for awards season Very possibly. They need to get her name out there, just as in the Martin Grove article. I thought Helen was extremely nervous and Dave was completely rooting for her to do well. It was obvious that he was a big fan of the book (BJD, that is). He knew his stuff and he knew the topics that would go over well.

(Mari)Did anyone see Helen Fielding on the Letterman show last week? I had the impression that Dave just recently read the book and enjoyed it. In the past he's had authors on if he likes the book. And he didn't seem to like the movie as much when RZ was on his show. Helen was v. sweet and I'm sure she'll be back. Then Paul Shaffer plays "It's Raining Men" and makes a few more dollars, since he cowrote it. By the by, BJD is gone from all my theatres as of today. So sad :-(

The music guy from Letterman cowrote It's Raining Men? How very bizarre. I wondered where the heck that song came from.

Paul Shafer is best known for his extraordinary wit. He also manages to write a few good songs.

Does he actaully display this wit on Dave ? I tended to equate him with that grinning buffoon on Leno...Kevin somethingorother. So I may have to revise my opinion..LOL Though mind you, that was pretty jaw droppin stuff when he asked Julia Roberts if she was "getting any", just after she broke up with BB.

Paul has set Dave up on many occasions. I wish Dave used him more like he did in the early days.

This might be OT..do we do HF stuff here? The October issue of PREMIERE has just arrived. "A Woman's Touch :What would Hollywood movies be like if women called all the shots?We asked three female writers to reimagine a scene from some classic "guy" films. Hold onto your skirts" HF re-writes "Pearl Harbor"with a tinge of Bridget. v. cute. Too long to type;-))

Cindy Adams' column in teh NY Post says RZ is *confirmed* to star in Chicago with Catherine C-Z which films in Toronto.

in Chicago which films in Toronto. No comment. Maybe we could get Ewan McG to write a letter.;-)

From the 10 Sept Guardian, an article about Best Movies about Life in the Office: Bridget Jones's Diary For any girl who's had an endless run of duff boyfriends and boring jobs, this year's great hit, BJD, will have you grinning in sympathy. Renee Zellweger plays the plump singleton in search of a life, whose relationship with vodka, cigarettes and the local gym are more meaningful than those with her boyfriend. Hugh Grant does a fine job as the posh publishing rat while Colin Firth is the well-starched, but badly dressed barrister with a heart. Look out for a special Bridget Jones video/ Office Hours giveaway on October 15.

During this week, I'll take any good news I can get. So, good news: BJD ffffiiiinnnaaallly made it to our dollar theater. Am hoping to go with a friend this coming week. I don't think she's seen it yet but she was the first person I knew that had heard of CF, had a copy of Nostromo, and would indulge me while I talked of him. She is not infected with Firth Fever, like yours truly, but she can at least understand.

From Screendaily (16 Sept) by Robert Mitchell: Bridget Jones's Diary crosses $200m worldwide Bridget Jones�s Diary was set to cross the $200m barrier in worldwide box office this weekend as it continues to pull in audiences across the globe. With an international running total of $125.4m to add to its $71.5m North American receipts, the romantic comedy needed to make just $3.05m internationally over the three-day weekend to cross the mark, a feat Bridget should have taken in its stride. Having taken number one spots in nearly every territory where it has been released, including both Switzerland and Germany last weekend, although after three weeks on release having opened at a lower position, the film also claimed another lead last week, opening in Hong Kong on September 6 to take a seven-day gross of $459,705 from just 24 screens and achieving a massive $19,154 screen average. Other strong international territories include the UK ($59.6m), Spain ($11.3m), Australia ($10.5m) and Germany ($9.99m), all of which are still clocking up the numbers. Foreign-language territories account for 43% ($54m) of the international takings and the Working Title production has yet to open in several major markets, including France and Italy. The comedy stars Renee Zellweger, Colin Firth and Hugh Grant and is directed by first timer Sharon Maguire. The film is based on Helen Fielding�s best-selling novel of the same name. The DVD details have already been announced for the US release on Oct 9 and UK on Dec 1 � which will include deleted- and behind-the-scenes material as well as a running commentary from Maguire to accompany the film.

Wouldn't it be something if CF had points on it?

Impressive figures! How would BJD rate in a league for net profitability? Fairly high, I would think.If it cost $20million to make and (guessing)had a $10million budget for promotion, then (counting on fingers) it has a net profit so far of $170million, plus all video/dvd rentals/sales to come. Other movies have much bigger gross returns, but they often cost $100million to make and have a promotion budget of $30million or more. Big posters up for BJD in local video store, plus a row of BJD flags around the counter. Can't miss it!

I have just read the BJD has it's French Premiere in Paris tomorrow, I wonder if Colin will attend.

So it looks like Italy will be last. I am very curious to see how the French will like it.

Must have been backlash against Beryl Bainbridge for her dismissal of chick-lit. The odds-on fav for the Booker's short list didn't make it.

Which just goes to show what a tight-knit mafia the book industry is in England.

I found this description of BJD at Rogers Video site: � Sex/Nudity: sexual conversation, comments and innuendoes; people have sex; animals mate; a woman�s bare buttocks; scantily clad women; someone groped � Drugs/Alcohol: excessive drinking; people get drunk; excessive smoking; a child drinking (suggested) � Violence/Scariness: fist fights; someone thrown through a window; fatal shooting on television � Objectional Words/Phrases: Approx. 55 I think that pretty much covers the movie! I couldn't remember animals mating, at first. "people have sex"--barely, I say. And there are 55 objectionable words? Does 'Cleaver' count? :-) You might want to check this site out for CF movies, including a trailer for Advocate that I hadn't seen before: http://www.rogersvideo.ca/search.asp

hmmm if only I'd realised it was that saucy when I saw it *ROFL* animals mate, and fatal shooting? does bare buttocks mean the knickers scene? *desperately trying to remember crucial chunks of film*

Almost read that as "people have sex with animals." Again, Cleaver might count there as well. ;-)

fatal shooting? I don't remember that, when did that happen? Had almost forgotten about the animals mating bit on tv.

Glenn Close

I found BJD really quite refreshing... I don't know about most people, but I'm certainly no supermodel. I found it unique in representing a relatively 'normal' person. Things go wrong all the time, with very embarrassing outcomes, and (I'm cringing here) I related to BJ quite well. (I haven't read many earlier postings, so I don't know what your consensus is.)

(Carrie)(I haven't read many earlier postings, so I don't know what your consensus is.) As far as consensus is concerned - I vote with my purse..I'm still contributing heavily to the phenomenal box-office draw of BJD, having not seen it for the zillionth time and possible more. (Carrie)I related to BJ quite well. I must say that I wish I can **relate** much better to ODB rather than BJ (hee hee)

Ooops..having not seen it for the zillionth time and possible more. That was meant to be having *now* seen it...

Welcome Minkee and Carrie! I'm sort of still a newbie myself (from April), still learning the ropes and the initials ;-). But you all seem comfortable with posting already and you'll find everyone on the board very helpful. Enjoy!

Thanks Lora! This is probably an outdated question, but what's everyone's favourite part?? :-)

Ah, my favourite part, Carrrie, and I am glad you asked, is when Mark arrives at Bridget's flat just before the other's arrive, paper in hand, dimples in place and the most gorgeous cute smile, he is congraulating her on her article.

Ann, that part is priceless, isn't it? The way his eyes laugh ever so slightly is really great! I think I have to see it again before I make my final decision though. It's only just been released in Germany (luckily there's an English cinema just around the corner - can't miss that voice!) so I might consider another little trip tomorrow night! :-)

(Carrie)This is probably an outdated question, but what's everyone's favourite part?? :-) Never an outdated question...as you can see we never tire of discussing and re-discussing these things ;-). I loved CF in his barrister's suit and the endearing look he gave BJ in the A-H interview when he was wearing it. Also what he does with his winter coat at the end of the movie is simply the best! It's just what I think my subconscious was thinking he needs to do, and then he does it! And who but ODB could do a more sexy scene with clothes on?

And who but ODB could do a more sexy scene with clothes on? Yes, but just think, Lora... ;-)

Carrie: the complete answer is - all of the last 3/4 hour which contain the dinner scene, the Ruby Wedding scene and the Snow scene..but I can manage to provide further and better particulars as follows and in order of OBD intensity: 1 when he wraps his coat around BJ in the very last scene 2 when he bends down and nuzzles BJ's neck in the doorway 3 the 2nd attempt at a kiss in the same doorway...especially as he moves from stage right to middle, bows head a bit and encourages BJ to lift head for kiss.(I am flabbergasted as to why she walked away!!!! Knickers or no knickers - he would have been flat against the wall, if that was me!!! - "I don't want to be unkind to our sex..but there it is" -Lizzie Bennett) 4 while stirring the blue soup - delivering his funny lines with glorious deep dimples on cheeks appearing 5 2 tied for 5th place - short sequence "Goodbye Bridget" then walks/runs up the steps" after delivering "just as you are" lines tied with His "walk" - as he strides away from BJ's flat. 6 "my wife...my heart" this is the ZEN of all deliveries IMO Maybe the more appropriate question is : which scenes did we like least?? I know I will be attacked for heresy here but I did not like the early part of "just as you are" scene until he delivered the lines "what I'm trying to say very inarticulately" So Carrie - I recommend that you print this out and go back to the theatre and study the whole movie again to assess whether there is any merit to what me and the other ladies have been saying. I believe just one more viewing is not enough to do this task justice - try another 2 at least!!!

(Minkee) I know I will be attacked for heresy here but I did not like the early part of "just as you are" scene until he delivered the lines "what I'm trying to say very inarticulately" You're not supposed to "like" them. They are meant to parallel the backhanded compliments in the first proposal scene in P&P2, I believe. ;-) KJ

I think my favorite moments are MD's brief discomfiture as Bridget's friends show up for the birthday dinner, and "alright, outside". He's so funny before the fight, like "I can't believe I'm doing this, but I just have to".

(KJ) - You're not supposed to "like" them. They are meant to parallel the backhanded compliments in the first proposal scene in P&P2, I believe. ;-) KJ Yeah - that was fairly obvious - what I meant was I did not like how he played it...that's the heresy.

My faves are when he wraps his coat around her at the end and when he and Bridget are calling each other Pam and Una over the lumpy gravy... Also liked the remark he made about loving her Lewisham fire hall report...

(Minkee)Maybe the more appropriate question is : which scenes did we like least?? Any scene with HG instead of ODB, of course!!! The coat-wrapping thing is the BEST. And the smile when he delivers the paper is good, too. And the way he pauses and looks at Bridget during the interview (when he says something about E Heany doing all this "for the man she loves.") Another favorite of mine is the scene in the boat when he looks longingly at her as she laughs at HG. V. subtle, but v. sweet.

favourite scenes: agre with lots of ones listed above, especially coat scene, nuzzling in the door way scene (Minkee, I'm with you absolutely, who would even think about their knickers in that situation??), turning up on the door step with the paper; but I think my favourite is the birthday party, where Tom says "we like her just as she is" and they toast her - the look in Mark's eyes over his wine glass *swoon* *thunk* :-)

For me it's the nuzzling in the door way scene and when he tells her he likes her "just as you are."

I concede he does need Moon's kissing lessons but he has perfected the art of nuzzling. I'm thinking SLOW; I'm thinking, L'dumb; I'm thinking, especially, BJD. :-) Favorite scene: All of the above. As usual, his scenes are the best in any movie.

Blue food recipes in NY Times! I finally got around to reading last Sunday's NY Times Magazine, and discovered an article about blue and white--dishes, decor, etc. But what about food? Apparently, the Times has decided that there isn't enough blue food. "'There are no blue foods,' says Hank Thomashevski, the private caterer who devised the recipes below. 'Even blueberries turn purple. So I played with the idea of blue and white.'" He then provided a recipe for blue angel cake (angel food cake with frosting colored blue by the addition of blue curacao--which is blue only because they put food coloring in it!!) In the article, the frosting on the cake is about the color of Bridget's soup. Also a receipe for, are you ready for this... BLUE SOUP! It's a pretty typical potato soup, only you use blue potatoes. I do not know where you're supposed to get blue potatoes. I know they exist, as I've had the blue potato chips. But I've never seen blue potatoes in the supermarket. No photo of the soup. If anyone really wants to know the recipes, I'll post them, if that's legal. (Don't want the Spring to be sued by NY Times!)

Okay - okay - I've decided, apart from "all" those mentioned above, I love the part during her B'day dinner, when they're on (the 2nd course, I think?) and he says something along the lines of "No, this really is the most incredible S**T" and then laughs. The laugh looks SO cute!! Of course, the coat, nuzzling, cooking and fighting scenes were all wonderful too. What also cracks me up is when BJ goes to great lengths at her work function to introduce Darcy 'correctly' and then he, naughtily, introduces her as someone who used to play naked in his paddling pool!

(Kate) BLUE SOUP! ... If anyone really wants to know the recipes.. Just tell me this - does the recipe mention string? ;-) I've never seen blue potatoes either.

have any of you ever had terra chips? There are, I think, blue potatoes in there...

You can get blue potatoes in fancy grocery stores or farmers' markets where they have stands for organic ($$$$$) farmers. They're like $3/lb.

$3/lb?? Food coloring is cheaper! (No string in the recipe I saw)

(Kate) $3/lb?? Food coloring is cheaper! Yup. There are all sorts of new trendy potatoes, including these "finger" ones, which must resemble the fingers of arthritic people. ;-)

(Karen) new trendy potatoes, including these "finger" ones, which must resemble the fingers of arthritic people. Ewww... Not what I wanted to read about first thing in the morning...

Looks like BJD has finally opened in Japan: "Bridget Jones's Diary" wooed an estimated $3 million in three days in Japan, where data were sketchy due to a public holiday Monday. The Renee Zellweger starrer was reckoned to be No. 2 behind local toon "Spirited Away," which sailed through its 10th weekend. The romantic comedy overshadowed "Captain Corelli's Mandolin," which whistled up a modest $860,000 in two days. "Bridget's" estimated foreign total reached $138 million, including Germany's fab $14.4 million, where it ruled in its fifth outing. "Corelli's" has earned $18.3 million in eight territories: Factoring out the U.K.'s $13.5 million indicates skimpy results in countries including France, Australia and Belgium.

I like all the moments with CF described in above messages. One of my favourites is at the launching party. MD is looking on BJ, stops the conversation with N, turns round, wants to approach BJ when suddenly she's surrounded by DC. And that look of MD when they're leaving the party. And at this scene his silhouette takes almost all the screen. (Minkee)Maybe the more appropriate question is : which scenes did we like least?? I dislike the scene at the hotel between BJ and DC when she asks him if he loves her. Every moment I see BJD I found this moment and DC's answers in the film quite disgusting. I know it supposed to be funny but it has always the opposite effect on me.

I'm glad you've said that, Aniutek! I thought that perhaps I was - strangely - too old-fashioned in my views and wasn't getting something supposedly "modern" in the film when I found some scenes unnecessarily deprecating towards Bridget in particular and the female kind in general. I thought she was supposed to be quite intelligent but some of her desperate attempts at attaching herself to DC were below par IMO.

but some of her desperate attempts at attaching herself to DC were below par IMO. I agree! I also thought some of the outfits she wore to the office were as well. It made BJ seem too lower class when she's not. I wonder why Sharon did that? And I agree with whomever posted that BJ seemed to have a better on-sreen chemistry with DC than MD.

(Moon)nd I agree with whomever posted that BJ seemed to have a better on-screen chemistry with DC than MD. In particular - rewind your brain back to when she interviews Mark for Sit Up Britain - he hesitates for a few seconds in the middle of his sentence, after saying "the woman she loves.." and "looks" at BJ (in manner of "aha - I'm realising that I might really like you!)". BJ was supposed to look back in same vein. But the effect did not quite work on the screen methinks. And yet, on the balcony at her bday dinner when Daniel tries to con her back into the relationship, it was not difficult for the viewer to imagine she was about to fall again.

I don't think it was so much lack of chemisty Minkee, in the "Sit up Britian" interview so much as bad editing and I loved the chemisty between CF & Renee in the very last kiss "oh yes they f----- do" scene.

Won't complain about THAT last kiss Ann! Manna from heaven. But I still think RZ had a more intuitive positive reaction to HG's kiss (Arghh!) Hmmm...another good reason to watch again!!

I wonder why Sharon did that? I think she/they (writers/producers) were trying to make it as funny as they dared. On the whole they have succeeded, of course, but not without pushing some scenes to the brink of an over-the-top farse. The public is in hysterics, but when one starts analysing it seriously, one gets this "now, wait a minute..." kind of second reaction. The film is amusing and well made, but one is not supposed to analyse it too seriously. Apparently.

Could it have also been an attempt to get a particular response from the audience about the Bridget/Daniel relationship? After all, it was funny, but would anyone actually want to have a long-term relationship with someone where that was the main type of conversing? I dunno, I got that 'cute, but no substance' reaction.

I know this is late (not new for me) but I thought I'd add *one* of my many favourite parts of BJD. Its when Mark comes back from New York and asks Bridget if she is available for weddings and bar mitzvahs etc. I thought he looked absolutely gob smacking gorgeous and the they way he looked at her and his voice ....... Argh, I want a Mark Darcy for Christmas!

LOL Cathey, get in line !! Lord A'mighty, just imagine getting up on Xmas morning to find Him lying under the Christmas tree. I can't decide if I want him decked out in the bunny rabbit flannel PJ's I bought him, or that reindeer jumper, or ( dare I say it ) wearing nothing at all but a smile .... sigh...decisions, decisions...

(Cathey)Its when Mark comes back from New York and asks Bridget if she is available for weddings and bar mitzvahs etc. I'm with you Cathey - that scene sets off some serious heart flutters. With TIOBE not scheduled for release til mid 2002 (is this correct?) and NC maybe a few months after that - it will be a long time between drinks for us wouldn't it? Even Paul Ashworth only had a couple of months to wait in between seasons. Life is tough for Firthettes!

"*excellent* speech" with that little half-grin... swoon.

ooh yes, I agree, that "excellent" is AFG!! so, anyway, I've flown half way round the world just so I can tell you what the inflight BJD is like *LOL* hmmmm as we knew, Shazza becomes "a journalist who likes to say 'freak' alot" and there are all sorts of other changes - how much do you want me to say? Not exactly spoilers cos I'm not giving away a story since we already know it, but do you want to know all the changes?

Rachel - Which airline is showing it - some of us might want to fly halfway round as well. (or do all airlines show the same movies at the same time?) BTW what's "AFG"?

Minkee I flew on Emirates AFG is Absolutely F***ing Gorgeous!! Or, in the case of the airline BJD, Absolutely Freaking Gorgeous

Am not too enthusiastic about playing to the gallery by overusing the "f***ing" epithet. F***ing cheap and nasty.

Cutting in. Rachael, I would love to hear all about it.

yeah, what about the "Daniel comes..." bit during the friends' dinner?

Sadly BJD ended here yesterday, pulled to make way for Enigma etc Luckily managed to see it for the final time with a BJD virgin (had to pick myself up off the floor too!). I got quite emotional having to say goodbye to that whisk for thelast time on the big screen. boo hoo. During the Summer I saw a live performance from Alistair McGowan (impressionist with a show on BBC 1) I was more that amused to see him discussing how Huge Gnat's delivery is like a "helicopter" and he proceeded to give several examples by improvising Huge talking to "Darcy". Got very appreciative laugh from large audience, so am wondering if any BJD dialogue will make it into his "Xmas Special."

BJD is also coming to an end in Australia, although I have found one cinema resonably close that is still showing it once per day; and that's where I'm off to this afternoon. I think I'll take tissues, just in case it hits me that I may not see it on the big screen again

hi Moon and Laura re changes - some are just blurred over, I can't remember what "Daniel comes" is changed to, will have to watch again when flying home, oh what a hardship ;) the oddest one is when Bridget's on the phone to Jude - "he's a big nobody with no body" errr what?? "a very bad man within my reach" when on the phone to Mum/Dad at the end of the fight, where in the film Daniel calls Mark a w***er , on the flight version its changed to "coward" - which changes the whole meaning IMO will go and look at my book to remember more :-) (Yes, I made notes, yes I'm sad)

Ewww, I hate it when they dub movies. I think the old days of just blanking out objectionable words was better. (OT comment: I remember seeing one of the Lethal Weapon movies on TV, and when Mel says "Now I'm really pissed!" It came out "Now I'm really miffed." Miffed???? Who are they kidding.) When I saw BJD in a hotel on ppv, it had the original dialogue. Back to blue potatoes. I found some at the farm market this morning, so I tried the blue potato soup. It came out pale blue, sort of gray. Tasted fine, but looked ucky. Definitely did not come out "Bridget Blue." And no, I did not screw up the recipe, as am something of a genius in the kitchen. Sorry, Karen, was planning to photograph it and post a bowl of it as a belated birthday gift.

Re Blue Potatoes - we tried them - the greengrocer suggested we used them for making 'french fries' they were delicious! But wouldn't want to mash or boil them. Re: BJD still in four cinemas in Perth and environs - but came off most cinemas last Thursday - children are on holidays so lots of kids films instead.

(Kate) I hate it when they dub movies Who doesn't? But I believe the airlines do it because it has to be brought down to a more general audience rating level. Hey, the kiddies get headsets too.

I'm starting to see full page color ads in the magazines for the BJD DVD. Same poster we've seen in the US before, of CF, RZ and HG, with a "post-it" indicating the extras. They're promising deleted scenes--hurry October 9!:-)

MTV just ran a delicious ad for the BJD DVD.....mainly Renee, but a teeny, tiny, delicious snippet of Col.

I hope its not too late for another blue potato story. I have to agree with Mark Darcy - there isn't enough blue food. Six years ago, I served mashed potatoes with blue food coloring in them because there were six children and only four adults at dinner. It was hilarious to see the other adults barely able to put them in their mouths- the kids loved it. I would suggest it, if you're feeling bored but only if your friends love you as much as Bridget's.

I read yesterday in October edition of FILM about BJD DVD premiere in Poland. It is set on November (no exact day given) so it'll be earlier in Poland than in UK. I had thougth that it would the opposite so I was going to buy it through Amazon. Luckily not only will it be cheaper here but also no shipment costs. It is to be a widescreen version and it will be distributed by Columbia Tristar. Up to know, I know nothing about extra material. I wish they would include both endings, cutting scenes, interviews with main actors, "The Making of BJD" and etc.. One can dream, can't he? BJD is still on in 7 cinemas in my city. In total, it collected around 980 000 viewers for 13 weeks. It may seem not much to you, but the statistical Pole goes very rarely to the cinema. So it's a very good result and much more than Pearl Harbour did and on the similar level as Shrek.

The number of viewers refers to the whole Poland's audience (not 1 city).

I have a feeling they will do a pre-Xmas release in Italy. That might give Colin a chance to attend a premiere if there is one. :-D

Have gotten an email that my BJD DVD was shipped already!!

Anybody see ET last night? Apparently RZ and George Clooney are dating. "Quiet little dinners at his place". Hmmmmm.He is a hunk, but has left a string of broken hearts behind.

The place to order Bridget Jones Diary for the Spring to get credit: http://www.vstore.com/cgi-bin/pagegen/vstoredvds/springdvd/page.html?mode=itempage&file=/page/itempagev4/itempage.spl&prodID=1640106&catID=128999

The "George and Renee" show made it , "world exclusive" to the front of one of our magazines too. Bet George doesn't watch as many re runs of BJD as we do!

According to Annanova UK BJD DVD will include the director's commentary, a behind-the-scenes featurette, Bridget Jones articles, music videos and deleted scenes. Does it mean they'll include pool ending or not?

Is the DVD available for rent too?

(Moon) Is the DVD available for rent too? Absolutely.

From Ananova: Hugh Grant attends French Film Festival Hugh Grant has attended a screening of Bridget Jones's Diary at the Dinard Film Festival in France. The film opened the 12th Dinard Film Festival. The screening was followed by a banquet at the local Casino Grand Hotel. The festival includes a special tribute to Sir John Gielgud. Bridget Jones is available to reserve on video and DVD now at discounted prices. [blackstar.co.uk]

BJD is now this year`s second most watched movie in Finland

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As Bridget would write: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck! My DVD arrived today and I immediately ripped it open. Not one deleted scene with Colin, just more of that Huge Gnat. What a huge huge huge disapppointment. The Behind the Scenes Featurette is made up of lots of bits we've seen before from both US and UK TV stuff. There are few new comments here and there. The other ending is shown with deleted scenes. I didn't see any Colin in it, just Hugh and a girl, Hugh and another girl, etc. Bloody waste of time....

Soory to hear it, Karen! Lora and I were planning to see it on Thursday. You did know that the other was only HG with other girls, didn't you? Someone write to Sharon and tell her to get it right. We want the left-out Darcy scenes!

Nooooooo!

Bummer. He was screwed again. But he gets extra scenes in the P&P DVD and a solo cover;-) I hear the "Lizzie look" at Pemberley has been shortened considerably. Win some...lose some.....

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck! Huge grunt.

Karen, are there *any* deleted scenes (other than the Huge Gnatified end credits)?

Yes, there are 7 deleted scenes: (1) Have you met Miss Jones - the train station opening scene with homeless people. (2) BJ - Marketing Genius - shows her doing a presentation to author and HG (3) Dad - Not VG - probably one of the scenes *before* the ringing dustbin, as Dad has come over to talk about problems with Mum. (4) Phone Message: Not VG - when Bridge leaves phone message for Daniel (5) How to Attract a Man - Magda giving Bridge advice, with all the friends' advice on being "aloof, unavailable ice queen" as Daniel is hovering near her desk. (6) The Perfect Relationship - Bridge and Daniel watching various sports on couch (suggestive language) and her wanting to go on minibreak (7) And Finally - the other end credit sequence

Oh Karen "Crikey" what a bummer. Did you like the Mr and Mrs Darcy scene in the end sequence?

No dustbin scene? He commented in an interview that they were going to shoot that scene the next day.

Maybe they are saving the dustbin scene for the sequel EOR and maybe they are using other Colin deleted scenes, not the exact scenes, but the theme for EOR.

From today's Sunday Times: "Collecting two of the inaugural Whitaker awards for staggering sales last week, BJ's creator recalled seeing someone being asked "What is the title of the fictional diary by Helen Fielding?" in the US version of the Weakest Link. "The Diary of Anne Frank?" was the plaintive reply.

I've just watched the movie with Sharon Maguire's audio commentary going throughout. Only a few good Colin bits in her commentary. As I've suspected all along, she's a Huge person. (1) When we first see Mark at the Turkey Curry Buffet, Sharon does a "a ha!" and "ding dong." She says that her direction to Colin was always "more haughty" then she talks about how the reindeer jumper was the star of the scene and how the crew would always laugh at the shots where it was featured. (2) Sharon does another well-timed 'ding dong' when car pulls away from curb and Burberry Man strides purposefully into view. (3) During the entire Kafir Aghani bit, with interview, Sharon doesn't comment at all on the scene and instead drones on and on about how HF started writing the column. Blech! (4) At end of "Someone Like You" speech as Mark is being called away by Natasha, Sharon does another 'ding dong.' (5) During most of the birthday party, she talks about creating a balance between romance and comedy and how they strove to get more comedy in. *rolling eyes* (6) Dialogue was improvised during the birthday party dinner, e.g., Colin's line "the most incredible shit" was his and that was real laughter. (7) Rather than making relevant comments on Colin's punches, Sharon emphasizes how punchable Hugh's face was because of the sneers. (8) She says that she got a lot of letters about how people wanted to see more of the friends, but she replies that they had to economize and that a rom-com shouldn't be anymore than 90 minutes long. (9) Now the good stuff, her commentary for the ending scenes - Sharon's direction for the meeting between Bridge and Mark at the car. They're in a trance and should give the impression of wanting to 'rip each other's clothes off.' When he bends down to nuzzle her neck, Sharon does a 'oh, he's so sexy' and 'he's a tiger under all that aloofness.' For the final kiss, she says they did lots of takes 'mainly for my enjoyment.' And Mark's last words should give a hint that he isn't the polite goody goody he has appeared to be.

that a rom-com shouldn't be anymore than 90 minutes long. Excuse me, Ms Expert after-one-film-director. And Mark's last words should give a hint that he isn't the polite goody goody he has appeared to be. What's so bad about MD being a goody goody. Who would care about a c word MD? When he bends down to nuzzle her neck, Sharon does a 'oh, he's so sexy' and 'he's a tiger under all that aloofness.' That worked for me. Too bad it was too short. for the meeting between Bridge and Mark at the car. They're in a trance and should give the impression of wanting to 'rip each other's clothes off.' I didn't get this from that scene, but will watch attentively for it. Why would B want to waste time changing bloomis if she really wanted to rip his clothes off a minute before? That scene never worked for me.

Thanks Karen for all those details. I could see she was a Huge fan in those clips of them on the sofa, where she is sitting next to him and flirting and giggling with him.ODB at the other end of the sofa didn't get a look in, and probably wasn't meant to. I loved the revelation about the dialogue in the dinner scene, he delivers it so naturally! And after he has said it he sort of hesitates for a nanosecond and laughs in that wonderful half self conscious way. How could you NOT comment about the Kafir Ahgani scene. Beats me.

Thanks Karen. I think that DVD is a renter. (Ann)Maybe they are saving the dustbin scene for the sequel EOR They're gonna get a thin Bridge next time. She says she won't put all that weight on again.

Yo, Lizza! Sharon said that one of the restaurant scenes (North African decor) was at Momo's. Didn't you tell me you'd been there? It's been on my list for a long time. (Lizza) How could you NOT comment about the Kafir Ahgani scene. Beats me. No kidding! It is pivotal and she doesn't say anything about what is going on between BJ and Mark and the looks he's giving her, the things she's saying and whether they refer to Mark or Kafir. Utter waste. Sharon really let down *our* side. She needs to get some feedback.

(Karen)Sharon really let down *our* side. She needs to get some feedback. How? Email? Snail mail? Am ready for battle.... One would think that HF would have had some input....inasmuch as they are best friends and HF is such a fan of ODB. Disgusting.

Exactly! Well said, we need to bombard her with feedback. She seriously needs to rethink the length of her faux fur sweater collars, if you ask me.! Re Momo, I think it was Moro I went to (It was the most overpriced incredible s%$&!). Seriously tho' yes Momo is listed inall the guides and the decor was what they were looking for.

Let battle commence......!

Letter writing to Sharon c/o Working Title and I think Miramax deserves to get an earful as well. Pathetic, truly pathetic. IMO most of the deleted scenes were ones that had been in the version shown to the critics.

Addresses Have pen in hand. Am watching P&P on Marathon.At least A&E still appreciates him. If only he'd realize that was his best role yet.

If only he'd realize that was his best role yet. OK, ladies, everyone at my house for coctails and P&P. We'll wrap it up with a fun dinner and The Emmys. (I am working on a new drink, the ultimate cuckholtail). ;-)))

the ultimate cuckholtail). PFFT! Moon's a roll today--LOL!

Actually, she's on a roll today, too. ;-)

Cheers, count me in. Am green at your marathon. Happy greatcoat viewing everyone.

(Moon)OK, ladies, everyone at my house for coctails and P&P. We'll wrap it up with a fun dinner and The Emmys. (I am working on a new drink, the ultimate cuckholtail). ;-))) Be there in a minute. *Getting on my broomstick*;-)

Be there in a minute. *Getting on my broomstick*;-) LOL! I'm happy to report that Evelyn arrived safely! For a moment there, I thought she might be landing in the pool, phew! Actually, she's on a roll today, too. ;-) Mari, to this compliment I must say that you are an inspiration, in fact, this place rocks. Now, back to the cuckholtail. Hic!

In defence of Sharon: I think she's very brave to regard her first feature film as "just rom-com, must be kept to 90 minutes" - many British directors have fallen into the trap of thinking that each of their films is the defining moment in the genre, and made them too long and too dull; thus getting trounced by Hollywood's more production-line, give-the-public-what-it-wants fare. And she didn't do badly for Ms Expert after-one-film director. As to her clearly preferring HG over CF: (1) it's not unknown(!), (2) CF's stealing of the film, under the nose of the director and crew, is even more to his credit than when he was just pinching it from Hugh.

many British directors have fallen into the trap of thinking that each of their films is the defining moment in the genre, and made them too long and too dull; True, but Sharon had much to work with here and she had an audience of readers that wanted more. The dustbin scene should have been added. Our major complaint as we waited for the expanded DVD is that she left out CF and added more HG. And she didn't do badly for Ms Expert after-one-film director. Yes and no. ;-D

I wouldn't give Sharon all that much credit. The 90-minute dictum would've been laid down by the US studios. We all know that's the maximum length of time Harvey can sit. Just a couple of days ago, I read Harvey told Martin Scorcese to trim about a half hour from Gangs of NY. My main complaint is that the they failed to supply anything worthwhile as an extra. None of the deleted scenes added much to the package in the way that other DVDs have done. Shoot, even Notting Hill showed Sally Philips' deleted scene.

Just a thought on the DVD: Sharon might not have been given much of a budget to work with. Disney squeezes a nickel 'til the buffalo sh*ts. Maybe she felt she couldn't do much more than what was on the critic's screener.

Humph. What a disappointment. Agree with Evelyn, it's a renter. :-/ Thanks for the run-down of Sharon's comments, Karen. AnnW--there isn't even a script for EOR yet, let alone a director or star(s). I highly doubt they're already 'saving scenes' for it.

it was just a thought Eileen, as it came from the EOR second book. (a very hopeful thought as I would love them to do the sequel)

My dvd was shipped today, according to the email from amazon, so I rented the tape. (am v. impatient) I am watching on the TV in my office as I type this. It occurs to me that, if SM did lots of tapes on the greatcoat scene, we wouldn't have minded more of that footage as an extra! BTW, the first thing on the video is the trailer for Serendipity. Arrgh! as if I haven't seen THAT ten times already!!!!

Big disappointment here yesterday. The Canadian BJD DVD was delayed a week probably due to shipping from the US. But the video came, and Thank God the Serendipity trailer wasn't on ours (small favours). We got Lord of the Rings and that Leonardo and Daniel Day Lewis film.

Pretty glum picture of the present and future of the British film industry (so what else is new?) FRom the Evening Standard: BRITISH FILMS ARE STILL A LOTTERY "The clear winner has been Bridget Jones's Diary, with over �41 million gross. Bestsellerdom and good word of mouth, plus an entertaining film, explain this jackpot; but also the fact that it was backed by an American studio through its British partner, Working Title, and most of the profits will go to Hollywood. But even Working Title couldn't deliver the expected grosses with their other "bestseller" project, Captain Corelli's Mandolin. Bad word of mouth and a turgid film that fell far short of filmgoers' expectations, have ratcheted up a "mere" �9.3 million so far. " .....

Entire article: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/html/hottx/film/top_direct.html

(Evelyn)...and good word of mouth... I think Karen and Drool is appropriately being given credit. I took a moment at the video superstore today to enjoy 62 pictures of CF all in one place at one time. It was definitely a Firth first for me.

Yeah, right. LOL!

From a report in the Guardian about the Festival du Film Britannique in Dinard: Royalty, in the shape of Edward and Sophie attended once. But generally British stars are the focal point for the autograph hunters, and almost every famous name has been to Dinard at one time or another. This year, the attraction was Hugh Grant, whose most important task, apart from supporting a screening of Bridget Jones' Diary, was to take part in the hard-fought Britain versus France golf match. He won his contest 4 up and 3 to play, and thus became an instant hero, enabling the match to be an honourable draw. [...] No one, however, could honestly say that the competition, or indeed the whole programme, was strong this year even though the presence of Bridget Jones' Diary, representing Britain most obvious international success, and Ken Loach's The Navigators, representing one of our most prestigious film-makers, ensured some excitment.... http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,566118,00.html

"and Ken Loach's The Navigators, representing one of our most prestigious film-makers, ensured some excitment.... " But apparently not enough; it's going to television. Thanks K.

Hugh Grant, whose most important task, apart from supporting a screening of Bridget Jones' Diary, was to take part in the hard-fought Britain versus France golf match. Did we have to know this, Karen? ;-)

Lora and I watched the BJD/DVD and can join everyone in the disappointment of not having more MD. The snuggle scene is till a killer even at slow speed. ;-)))

The snuggle scene is till a killer even at slow speed. ;-))) Still on the BIG SCREEN where I am. Saw it again (!) last night with a friend who was hiding under a rock somewhere and have never seen it before. Sparse audience but made up of seemingly CF die-hards (all that giggling and swooning) and appreciative males around too. Nice to have like-minded audience.

hey Minkee, so you finally managed to find a fellow-obsessive to go with?? what on earth are you doing on the computer at this time? shoudln't you be having your breakfast? I'm about to go to bed! a couple more changes I noticed from the (third) in-flight viewing - when Daniel falls in the lake, Bridget says "you're stupid ... oh!" which i suppose does the right mouth shapes but sounds odd; also, re changes, the publishers party is one of the biggest: the whole chunk from the end of "I am the intellectual equal of everyone here" through the "where's the loo" scene is wiped, so it leaps from "I am the equal .." to "can't get any worse" then she sees Mark - but if you hadn't seen the film before, you'd be wondering why it couldn't get any worse; then the whole speech about best book/ well, one of the best books and the scan round the room spotting famous authors is lost, so it goes straight into "and definitely one of the top 30 books of our time" - not only does it sound odd, it also removes the justification for Mark to say later on "you really are an appallingly bad public speaker" - we haven't heard Bridget speak in public so how would we know? someone asked about the "Daniel comes" speech - it's cut - Shazza's line is cut at "and Daniel" and it hops straight to the next bit. I think that's all, apart from odd little things here and there. Go and fly, then you'll see!

"you really are an appallingly bad public speaker" This stems from her introduction at the book launch party.

(R) "you really are an appallingly bad public speaker" (Moon) This stems from her introduction at the book launch party. yes - which as I said, is cut from the airline version of the film.

(Rachael)hey Minkee...what on earth are you doing on the computer at this time? shoudln't you be having your breakfast? I'm about to go to bed! Not normally this obsessive with Drool but actually haven't been to bed (for 2 nights)as working on big project. Drool and another viewing of BJD with co-obsessed friend was my "break" from work. Will go to sleep tonight at last - hopefully to dream about....

I still can't believe that the blurb on the back of the BJD DVD barely mentions CF. They go on and on about RZ (understandable) and HG (not), but hardly anything about CF. Grrrr. Don't they know by now that a lot of the return business in theaters was due to Darcy fans? I know that some of you don't think much of NC, but I hope it does really well. Then they'll have to accept that CF is the reason. Or do you think they'll say the success was all down to Oliver Platt?

some of you don't think much of NC, but I hope it does really well. Louise, we all want NC to do really well. We all feel that Colin is leading man material. (Rachael)which as I said, is cut from the airline version of the film. Why would they cut from the launch party? That scene is vv funny. I can understand them cutting the anal scene and hope they did because it was so unnecessary, did they?

Moon, I don't know - I thought it was very funny too, both the "where's the loo" and with her spotting various authors and digging herself into a deeper hole the more she tried to get out of it - I can't see why that had to go, no justification as far as language ... and now its missing, it makes that segment of the film rather odd. And no, the anal scene stayed! I can't see the logic in that set of decisions.

(Louise) some of you don't think much of NC, but I hope it does really well As Moon said, we *do* want NC to do well and will of course go see it and support. You might not remember but all of us who have read the book have said it was cute, enjoyable, well-written, etc. Our only quibble is that it is lightweight stuff...again. And for that we are disappointed. It is not a Hamlet. Period.

Interesting what you said about DVD cover Louise! I suppose I should learn but here I go again getting mad at Colin being so sidelined in all the vid publicity. "Entertainment Today" had a feature from LA on the vid release this morning on TV. The article had been running for several minutes before Colin appeared in a bit of his interview, don't even think he was in any clips either, apart from 2 seconds! Then the Guardian reviews it today wittering on about how wonderful in the role Huge is and finally mentions ODB in the SAME sentence as Neil Pearson! Pleeeeze! It's like he only has ten lines too and is a minor player. Guess the weekend papers will be gearing up for more of the same, so I will try and remain calm.

From the "this is more like it" department . . . If it's any consolation, BJD is the featured DVD at the IMDB today: BRIDGET JONES'S DIARY Renee Zellweger is the thirty year old British "singleton" in this adaptation of Helen Fielding's best-selling novel. Sort of a modern reworking of Jane Austin's "Pride and Prejudice," she's torn between her charismatic but manipulative boss (Hugh Grant) and the stiff, conservative Barrister (Colin Firth) who hides a passion beneath his snobby exterior. What luck the film had in landing Firth, who virtually reprises his role of Darcy from the BBC Pride and Prejudice mini-series. Brit romance specialists Andrew Davies (who also scripted Pride--another coup) and Richard Curtis (Four Weddings and a Funeral) help Fielding adapt her novel to the screen with plenty of snap and verve, and Zellweger is appropriately daffy and cynical and charming as the chain-smoking , overeating career woman. And her British accent is just fine. Gemma Jones plays Bridget's matchmaking Mum, Jim Broadbent is her Dad, and Shirley Henderson, Embeth Davidtz, and Honor Blackman co-star. Director Sharon Maguire opens her own diary in a commentary track and the DVD features a behind-the-scenes featurette, deleted scenes, Helen Fielding's original "Bridget Jones's Diary" columns, two music videos, and the trailer. DETAILS: Lbx (2.35:1, 16x9), 5.1 Dolby Digital, with optional French soundtrack. R. Miramax.

Only slightly off-topic: I've wondered about the uproar about RZ's casting, and her accent, vs. Reese Witherspoon (another frightful American ;-) in TIOBE. Not a whimper about that one. And actually, was there *really* an uproar? Or more publicity stunt than uproar? Is it just because Bridget was the quintissential British character, and SO popular, main character, etc. I guess TIOBE part is pretty low on the radar?

I, too,(as Moon mentioned above) am disappointed in the very little "extras" we get of Colin in the BJD DVD. So since I've now found the zoom button on my remote (Moon, you have to rewatch with the zoom ;-)) I've been watching and rewatching his scenes and have come up with three new things about him in this movie. 1. In the scene on Bridget's balcony, after Daniel has interrupted her birthday dinner, DC is trying to recharm BJ and is about to get her to kiss him. But where the empty space remains between them is a perfect fit for MD/CF's face and aura at a distance. With his presence there when he comes to say goodbye, he foils the kiss. It's a great shot because he is not standing between them, he's between them at a distance. Ah, *sign*, great foreshadowing ;-). 2. In the final coat scene I love the way CF deftly puts his great coat around RZ while *still* holding the diary in his gloved hands. He has to transfer the diary from one gloved hand to the other as he holds each edge of the coat as well! I hadn't noticed how well he does this before. I guess it could have taken many takes, but the one in the movie makes it look like quite masterful. 3. The third thing I've noticed is a line which I wish was there but is not. After MD helps BJ get the A-H interview, I wish that when he came to her birthday party that she would have thanked him for what he had done for her (much like Elizabeth does to Mr. Darcy on the walk at the end of P & P2 - for helping with Lydia). There is no thank you at all (she even had a picture of herself in the paper over it). It could have been one line, and MD would have been so touched by it ;-).

Got and watched the DVD last night - what was with the interface design for the menus and that hideous music? Icky. I liked the non-U.S. credits bit in the deleted scenes, cute and sarcastic. I got my bf to watch it too, and he actually liked it, shocker. :) Somebody had already commented on the audio commentary thing - is it worth listening to?

(Lora) I wish that when he came to her birthday party that she would have thanked him for what he had done for her (much like Elizabeth does to Mr. Darcy on the walk at the end of P & P2 - for helping with Lydia) *Breathlessly* "Mr. Dahcy, please..please allow me to thank for your kindness( to my sistah) in helping me get the interview." and then he would have said: *gazing into her eyes* "Not at awl...I did it only for *you*" *sigh*...*swoon*

(LauraT) what was with the interface design for the menus and that hideous music? Icky. You said it, sistah! More Andy Williams-type, Bridget's parents and their friends' theme music! What were they thinking??? Am convinced the marketeers for BJD are clueless.

(Evelyn) *Breathlessly*..."Not at awl...I did it only for *you*" *sigh*...*swoon* Stoppit! Stoppit, you're killin' me here! ;-D

(Lora) But where the empty space remains between them is a perfect fit for MD/CF's face and aura at a distance. First time I saw this scene in BJD, it reminded me of the ball at Sir Williams' where Lizzy and Charlotte are talking in the foreground of the screen and Mr Darcy enters from screen right in the background then stands between the two ladies' faces in the shot and then stare at them.

(Evelyn) *Breathlessly*..."Not at awl...I did it only for *you*" *sigh*...*swoon* You're right it would have been purrrfect! Moon, you have to rewatch with the zoom ;-)) Lora, I would love to zoom in on the snuggle. Must find the time. :-D Is it just because Bridget was the quintissential British character, and SO popular, main character, etc. I guess TIOBE part is pretty low on the radar? BJD is popular culture. Oscar Wilde is literature. What luck the film had in landing Firth, who virtually reprises his role of Darcy from the BBC Pride and Prejudice mini-series. Luck indeed!!! Remember he debated doing MD? (Rachael), And no, the anal scene stayed! I can't see the logic in that set of decisions. That's incredible! Must be men making that decision. :-(

Ahhhhhh! Going green with envy here. Still at least we can rent it from blockbuster from Monday..... in the version starring Neil Pearson of course!

(Evelyn)*Breathlessly* "Mr. Dahcy, please..please allow me to thank for your kindness( to my sistah) in helping me get the interview." and then he would have said: *gazing into her eyes* "Not at awl...I did it only for *you*" *sigh*...*swoon* LOL! Maybe Rachael can come up with a few modern lines for a thank you scene at Bridget's apartment and put it in fanfic! (You are very creative, Rachael :-)). It is *so* missing from the movie. I kept waiting for it to be said, and it would have been a great interaction between them. (Minkee)First time I saw this scene in BJD, it reminded me of the ball at Sir Williams' where Lizzy and Charlotte are talking in the foreground of the screen and Mr Darcy enters from screen right in the background then stands between the two ladies' faces in the shot and then stare at them. You're right, it is very similar, though in BJD it's a love triangle ;-).

(Lora) You are very creative, Rachael *blush* you are too kind! Not sure if I can weave this request into what remains of the saga, but will see what I can do!

(Use if you're redeeming a promotional certificate or coupon.) Returning customer? Sign in to turn on 1-Click ordering. (We'll set one up for you) View my Wish List Bridget Jones's Diary (2001) List Price: $29.99 Our Price: $22.49 You Save: $7.50 (25%) Used Price: $19.99 Availability: In stock Rated: Not for sale to persons under age 18. Starring: Ren�e Zellweger, Colin Firth, et al. Director: Sharon Maguire 1 collectible from $30.00 1 used from $19.99 I have one to sell! Edition Details: � Region 1 encoding (US and Canada only) � Color, Closed-captioned, Widescreen � ASIN: B00003CXT7 Click here for more technical details about this edition... Other Formats: VHS, Theatrical Amazon.com Sales Rank: 6 Rate this item to get personal recommendations. Average Customer Review: Based on 106 reviews. Write a review. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Customers who bought this DVD also bought: Someone Like You (2001) DVD ~ Ashley Judd Heartbreakers (2001) DVD ~ Sigourney Weaver A Knight's Tale (2001) DVD ~ Heath Ledger Explore similar items -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Editorial Reviews Amazon.com Featuring a blousy, winningly inept size-12 heroine, Bridget Jones's Diary is a fetching adaptation of Helen Fielding's runaway bestseller, grittier than Ally McBeal but sweeter than Sex and the City. The normally sylphlike Ren�e Zellweger (Nurse Betty, Me, Myself and Irene) wolfed pasta to gain poundage to play "singleton" Bridget, a London-based publicist who divides her free time between binge eating in front of the TV, downing Chardonnay with her friends, and updating the diary in which she records her negligible weight fluctuations and romantic misadventures of the year. Things start off badly at Christmas when her mother tries to set her up with seemingly standoffish lawyer Mark Darcy (Colin Firth), whom Bridget accidentally overhears dissing her. Instead she embarks on a disastrous liaison with her raffish boss, Daniel Cleaver (Hugh Grant, infinitely more likeable when he's playing a baddie instead of his patented tongue-tied fops). Eventually, Bridget comes to wonder if she's let her pride prejudice her against the surprisingly attractive Mr. Darcy. If the plot sounds familiar, that's because Fielding's novel was itself a retelling of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, whose romantic male lead is also named Mr. Darcy. An extra ironic poke in the ribs is added by the casting of Firth, who played Austen's haughty hero in the acclaimed BBC adaptation of Austen's novel. First-time director Sharon Maguire directs with confident comic zest, while Zellweger twinkles charmingly, fearlessly baring her cellulite and pulling off a spot-on English accent. Like Four Weddings and a Funeral and Notting Hill (both of which were written by this film's coscreenwriter, Richard Curtis), Bridget Jones's stock-in-trade is a very English self-deprecating sense of humor, a mild suspicion of Americans (especially if they're thin and successful), and a subtly expressed analysis of thirtysomething fears about growing up and becoming a "smug married." The whole is, as Bridget would say, v. good. --Leslie Felperin --This text refers to the Theatrical Release edition. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Customer Reviews Avg. Customer Review: Write an online review and share your thoughts with other customers. Awesome, October 9, 2001 Reviewer: Peter Diotte from Janesville, WI United States This is one the best movies I've ever seen. Rene is terrific as are the gents. Funny. You'll be laughing within minutes. Was this review helpful to you? Grab this one!, October 9, 2001 Reviewer: funnybookworm (see more about me) from WV USA I think this movie may have just moved up to one of my favorites. I saw it in the theater and counted the days until I could buy it. For those of you who read the book - watch the movie, it is just as good if not better. And even if you didnt read the book, the movie will make you want to. Was this review helpful to you? The DVD, October 9, 2001 Reviewer: A viewer from Oakland, CA Found this review at amazon.com.....should be forwarded to whosoever decided on the content of the DVD! Don't they realise that extra CF scenes equals extra sales. Where's the mobile phone scene? Binned? ......... I heard that the DVD does not contain any deleted scenes with Colin Firth. I'm trying to confirm this, before I decide whether to order it. I still might, since I liked the movie so much. However, the movie was severly edited and there weren't enough scenes with Firth to give us much of a clue as to why BJ would be interested in him. Although I'd give the movie close to 5 stars, if there's no more Firth, that's really stupid and it will decrease my rating on the DVD

Oh gawd, sorry. Only meant to cut and paste the last review, but somehow I've given you all of it. Just scroll down!

No worries! Interesting read anyway. Am glad to see people publicly speaking out re lack of CF. Do you think anything will come of it?

(Minkee)where Lizzy and Charlotte are talking in the foreground of the screen and Mr Darcy enters from screen right in the background (Lora)You're right, it is very similar, though in BJD it's a love triangle ;-) Hmmm, there's a fanfic idea.... =) (Though I'm sure it's been done somewhere...)

I did not mean to imply that those of you who think NC is "lightweight" do not want it to do well. But I guess I just have a somewhat different view of what might actually help CF's career the most. As I see it, to the average movie/TV producer, CF is on a semi-roll: he had a starring role in a bona fide hit movie (BJD) and had an award-nominated supporting role in a critically-acclaimed cable program (Conspiracy). However, to the average non-CF fanatic producer, it might seem that the success of these two projects was due to others (RZ, HG, KB, ST, etc.) If you assume that CF wants to improve his chances of getting good meaty roles in "serious" films, what is the best thing for him to do next? I think that if CF has one or two "hits" in "lightweight" films in which he is the "star", he will have a better chance to do the more serious roles he wants to do. In an ideal world, he would get to do serious roles in "important" movies because he's such a good actor. But in the real world, good actors have a better chance at serious roles if they've been in a couple of successful movies--and not just in supporting roles like TEP and SIL. Personally, I'd rather see CF mix in more "commercial" films with his serious films if that's what it takes. But not drivel like "L'dumbium". And even though a critically well-received performance in Hamlet might have some effect in England, would it necessarily get him lead roles in British films? If this is how things work, why is it that Hugh Grant seems to be in every other film made in England? It's because he has been successful in "lightweight" comedies, not because he played Hamlet to glowing reviews. And what if CF's Hamlet didn't get glowing reviews? It's not like there haven't been any successful productions of it lately. What if the critics decided that it was just another Hamlet among many? Would that do CF's career any good? Somehow, I don't think so. The few thousand people who got to see it in England might think it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but would that help him to get starring roles in great movies made by American producers? I guess what I'm trying to say is that none of us knows why CF chose NC. Who knows, maybe it was on Hornby's recommendation. And maybe he never really had a chance at BB, so he took NC as the best offer he had. Heaven knows, it's better than "L'dumb". I guess I'm just easy to please, but to me, any reasonably good starring movie role that might give CF a chance at better things in the future is OK with me. So sue me (ducking brickbats).

And maybe he never really had a chance at BB, so he took NC as the best offer he had. Heaven knows I'm going to put 2 and 2 here...Remember what Mystery Man said about be on the lookout for NC news in Oct and then BB? And then I think it was Evelyn who recently posted after the no-CF-in-BB news that CF would be wanting family friendly locations and skeds. Well, methinks that CF did indeed have a serious chance at BB, but after the WTC attacks and general decline in safety worldwide, he then backed out of BB. Didn't Jolie say that she has been asked to report in December to an Asian location? Anyway, just another theory in a chain of them going around this Board. And you're quite safe from brickbats, Louise (at least from me);0)

Oops - I think you and I posted in wrong topic Louise!

So sue me (ducking brickbats). I don't throw brickbats...I just scroll through them. Like I've said...everyone is entitled .... That's why we pay for the real estate.

From UK's "Best" magazine.. "Plenty of fans would welcome another Bridget Jones movie, but a sequel is still a long way off. We hear the film company is further ahead on the soundtrack for Bridget 2, no doubt motivated by the fact that the first, which included tracks from Robbie and Geri, waas such a moneyspinner. Soundtracks are often released ahead of films - but could we actually end up with a CD without the movie?" "Bridget 2" sounds hopeful...and if they're already working on the soundtrack, there must be a film, surely?

How materialistic! Who's ever heard of doing the soundtrack first? I am totally disgusted by this and hope it is not true.

Hey, if it's an incentive to get cracking on BJD2, I'll *buy* that CD ;-) Just "listened" to EOR, and am suffering MD withdrawal, despite having received my DVD this week. ;-)

Warning : Votes Solicitited if you are so inclined :Colin ,Sharon Maguire, and BJD Two weeks to go Empire online: Vote for the People 's Choice segment of the European Film Awards http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?3461

Got my Canadian BJD DVD today! Hurrah! Inside is a piece of paper (no booklet) listing chapters on one side (in French on the other side). Anything better in the US version? Am also re-reading the BJD book. Bridget talks about seeing a pic of Colin and Jennifer in a meadow (modern day luvvies) in the Standard. Does anyone know if this was a real photo. CF w/pencil moustache? Please post if you have a copy. (I'm thinking Murph might have in her amazing collection?)

This is from Jennifer's website http://members.tripod.com/djwan_2/jen_misc.html

Tripod won't allow you to pinch their pictures. Let's see....is this the one you were looking for Rebecca?

Thanks Evelyn. It appeared briefly for a minute, but I'm glad it's not my horrible HTML skills.

Is it the one also known as "in the Blue Peter Garden" taken at BBC?

Is it the one also known as "in the Blue Peter Garden" taken at BBC? I never heard that one. It's from Meluchie's FOF website and originally it was known as the "Bill & Hilary" pic. It was taken by BBC however.

Thanks for the photo! I have to admit I was picturing something much more romantic (and attractive). I don't blame Bridget with being disappointed at seeing her favourite characters as real people :-)

Oh dear, I'm having trouble getting that photo out of my head now. Didn't CF film CoF before P&P? Was he with JE before P&P? Or do I have the timeline mixed up? At least I'm hoping he has that moustache for CoF.

Is it the one also known as "in the Blue Peter Garden" taken at BBC? That's where it was taken. Actually there are two photos (two different poses) which were taken at that time. The other one is b/w, they are sitting on the grass, she between his knees. Didn't CF film CoF before P&P? Yes, and also "The Widowing Of Mrs Holroyd". Was he with JE before P&P? I don't believe so, though they had met before.

That's where it was taken. Actually there are two photos (two different poses) which were taken at that time. The other one is b/w, they are sitting on the grass, she between his knees I haven't seen this one! Is there a copy of it floating around somewhere?

I can't find it at the moment... but if you're prepared to be patient, there's a chance that the Three Deers might oblige one day...;-)

BJD video was out in the UK on Monday. Went to local video shop on Tuesday and couldn't see a copy. Was told that they had 65 copies and all had been rented within the first hour. Fortunately, one copy had been returned. But that's pretty impressive for a movie that most people have already seen!

I just noticed that when he shows up on Bridget's door step at the end of BJD, and keeps trying to kiss her but keeps getting interrupted, CF stands in the gutter while RZ is on the sidewalk, so that he doesn't tower over her quite so much. (I seem to have height on the brain tonight.) I was finally able to show BJD to my mom (she doesn't do movie theaters). She agreed with me that no one in her right mind would choose DC over MD and found the film very entertaining. She particularly liked the dinner preparation scene (that's my Mom!) and laughed out loud when MD spooned up the "green gunge". She also laughed at Bridget's sideburns remark at the ruby wedding party. I explained to her that it was an "inside joke" referring back to P&P2. Did I dream it, or did Shazzer say in the voiceover commentary that HG's wardrobe came from Saville Row but that CF's came from (couldn't hear it but she said it was a cheap store). If that's really true, the cheap guys should pay CF to model their stuff, as he makes it look like a million bucks. ;-)

HG's wardrobe came from Saville Row but that CF's came from (couldn't hear it but she said it was a cheap store). She said that HG wanted his suits tailored and that he wanted Cloin to wear cheap clothes. But she decided to get him nice ones too.

Cloin ........... ;-)

Earlier, I rewatched the fun parts of the DVD (i.e. little DC, much MD), and had the following thought - at the end, outside the stationary (?) store, shouldn't MD's "Oh, yes, they f*&!ing do" have some sort of response from Bridget, a smile or something? I realize she was mesmerized by his studliness ;), but still... It seems odd not to have some sort of response. Must agree with whoever earlier said that the coat-wrapping-around move was very slick, and probably required much practice :)

shouldn't MD's "Oh, yes, they f*&!ing do" have some sort of response from Bridget, a smile or something? I believe her immediate reponse was to lock lips with him--she probably figured she should take care of the most important stuff first--time for smiling and talking later--much later. Personally, I'd have dragged him back to the flat as soon as possible, if not sooner. Then again, I'd have dragged him into the bedroom as soon as the front door closed behind us when he showed up on my doorstep, tiny knickers or not, especially when he started nuzzling my neck. I guess I'm just not into "romantic" delays. ;-)

Romantic delays....If Fielding/Shazza thought they were compensating for the lack of lips-locking at end of PP2 by longer snogging at end of BJD - they've now just created another source of frustration...Heavens's above!! Why anyone would think about putting on any size of knickers when CF/MD is already nuzzling one's neck is beyond me. Shouldn't it be about taking it off, rather than putting it on? BJ needed some talking to from the Firthettes!!

Minkee, Louise, I agree completely. Having watched that "chapter" of my DVD a *few* times, I find it frustrating. I haven't listened to SM's commentary, but Karen said that SM's direction when they have the conversation in the snow and then go inside was supposedly to look like they wanted to tear each other's clothes off (or something like that). I don't see that in Bridget, but Mark's attempts at nuzzling are very seductive. I certainly couldn't resist! Bridget still doesn't get the point. If he likes her just as she is, he'll like her just as she's dressed... Two details that seem different from the movie. When Bridget is on her way to the booklaunch, the last time we see her outside, she is clearly fussing with her scary-stomach-holding-in pants. I don't remember that much adjusting in the movie. The other is the introduction to Shazzer "Likes to say f**k a lot." In the DVD, there's a pause before "a lot," but I don't remember that pause in the movie.

I think the pauses might have been "muffled" by laughter in the theatre. They may have seemed shorter with an audience.

Renee Zellweger starrer "Bridget Jones's Diary" penned $275,000 in two days in Italy's key cities (representing some 30% of the nationwide box office).

For those of you who don't own a DVD player, can't afford the "rental price", and have access to Pay per view: BJD is on next month (around Thanksgiving, I believe, how appropriate--blue soup and turkey). Anyway, here's the link for the schedule: http://www.tv-now.com/stars/firth.html And if you haven't seen Relative Values, it's on about a zillion times on Starz.

'Cinderella' pic casting spell on Zellweger By Zorianna Kit LOS ANGELES (The Hollywood Reporter) --- Renee Zellweger is in negotiations to star opposite Russell Crowe in Universal Pictures/Miramax Films' "The Cinderella Man" for director Lasse Hallstrom. The project is expected to go into production in August. "Cinderella" reunites Zellweger with the two studios that co-produced "Bridget Jones's Diary," in which she starred. "Cinderella" also continues to strengthen the Zellweger's relationship with Miramax, for which she's currently prepping to star in "Chicago" (HR 8/29). Crowe, who received the offer on "Cinderella" last week, is negotiating to star in the film as real-life heavyweight boxing champ Jim Braddock. During the 1930s, Braddock was an aging boxer who made a comeback while trying to save his family during the Depression. Zellweger, whose deal is subject to Crowe closing his, will star as his supportive wife. Cliff Hollingsworth and Charlie Mitchell wrote the screenplay for the project. Zellweger, repped by CAA and manager John Carrabino, recently wrapped Warner Bros.' "White Oleander" with Michelle Pfeiffer and Robin Wright Penn. Zellweger won a Golden Globe this year for her performance in USA Films' "Nurse Betty." Miramax declined comment.

See Renee with Tom Cruise in Cold Mountain... See Renee with Russell Crowe in Cinderella.... What else? Wha'appened to the spy one she was going to do in London ? Along with too many Hamlets...too many Renees.

(Evelyn) See Renee with Tom Cruise in Cold Mountain... See Renee with Russell Crowe in Cinderella.... What else? See Renee in Chicago.

Wha'appened to the spy one she was going to do in London ? The one with Banderas and Williams? The financing fell through. Is Cold Mountain a go, or is it still in the planning stages? Some of these films take forever to develop, even though the wish-list cast is announced early on.

Zellweger, whose deal is subject to Crowe closing his, will star as his supportive wife. Smart cookie, this one. She doesn't exactly give off that cunning vibe when you hear her speak. (Evelyn),Along with too many Hamlets...too many Renees. LOL! You're right. Must be the repeated viewings of BJD. ;-) (I still don't like her voice)

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BJD is still unavailable at local Blockbusters "due to incredible demand". I've really enjoyed scrutinising it on video. One thing you realise that in the actual script, the cards are all held by HG (good lines etc). CF does most of the acting with his eyes.

"The making of BJD"(or how is it called in English)was on tv today and I didn`t notice it:( Tell me that I didn`t miss much?

Funnily enough Bethan, Blockbuster did a BJD mailshot thro' my letterbox this morning. The review says "The plot? If you don't know already it's Pride and Prejudice for the 21st century as we follow Bridget's entries as she rebounds from one man to the next like a horny ball- bearing on a testosterone fuelled pinball table. Zellweger fits the Jones tights perfectly while Colin Firth and Hugh Grant are ideal as the rival suitors. Utterly brilliant." Hee Hee. CF does most of the acting with his eyes Well HG couldn't convey emotions as well without speaking as ODB!

Well HG couldn't convey emotions as well without speaking as ODB! CF, as ever, does a lot with (relatively speaking) very little. The Daily Telegraph (not known for singing CF's praises!) review of the video said that "CF does far more than you realise with the role of MD". Why CF is not a star...!! From a review at amazon.com... "Renee is wonderful, Hugh played a fabulous slime ball and the real star of the show was the guy who played the keeper.. Name? I can't remember! I was too enthralled in the end scene." BTW I'm wondering what will happen re the sequel, assuming there is one. Apparently the 2nd Harry Potter starts shooting in November (ie exactly a year after the first) Stuart Little 2 was filmed almost immediately, ditto the Scream movies. It seems that if a movie is popular (and can provide a natural sequel) there's no delay these days.

(Bethan)BJD is still unavailable at local Blockbusters "due to incredible demand". Come to Houston, Bethan. Last night I counted a wall full of BJD (84). Only 20 were checked out :-(((

Do not despair! 'Tis obvious that the intelligent people in Houston simply bought a copy, and therefore did not need to rent one! Very thrifty.

Evelyn: Come to Houston, Bethan. Last night I counted a wall full of BJD (84). Only 20 were checked out :-((( I have to add to this with my own ;-) The Blockbuster near where I live has 30 copies of BJD VHS and 40 copies of DVD. To my disappointment (and pleasure too) for last two weekends, they were all checked out, every single one! I talked to the manager and he said that they ordered more. Hopefully I can get it on the next weekend.

Oh, one more thing. There are an half shelf of MLSF and the other half FP right underneath BJD (the shelves are in the back center of store face the main entry). Oddly RZ's NB were located in the corner on the other side of store. Anyway I'm so pleased ;-)

Looks like BJD will be on Pay-per-view this month in the US. Must suppress urge to "rent", as own personal copy of DVD ;-D

*Bridget Jones story sent by Ananova "Bridget Jones's Diary has broken this year's record for the number of video rentals. Almost 800,000 copies of the film were rented in its first week of release. The previous first week record holder was Gladiator, which was hired out 837,020 times on its release last year." Is this just for the UK? Am not familiar with rental volumes in the US to be able to tell. This warms my heart, as I was NOT a Gladiator fan (JMO, of course).

Someone on Virtual Views posted that a new BJD 2 soundtrack has been released in UK including Van Morrison's "Someone Like You" and "Ain't No Mountain High Enough". The slugs!

And you believed it?! ;-) There's no Van Morrison "Someone Like You" on it. Check the song listing at amazon.co.uk. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005RC8Y/o/qid=1004541548/sr=8-2/ref=sr_aps_pm_2_2/026-1979821-5113220 IMO, this CD isn't worth it. Hardly *any* were featured in the movie or were barely discernable in the background and some were likely background in parts that were cut out. This is money-grubbing pure and simple.

No, that's a mistake on the part of Amazon. I saw the real life CD the other day and Van Morrison sings Someone Like You and Elvis Costello does My Funny Valentine. And I'm not lying, I sell CDs as part of my job.

Oh and En Vogue do My Lovin' - Never Gonna Get It.

Thanks for the update, Penny. Still not worth it IMO since I already have a custom CD with the Van Morrison version plus the original Weathergirls!

The figure re BJD rentals is spot on! I saw the figures too, to put it into context, the second most rented video on the list for the UK (which I have convieniently forgotten!) was about 110,000 so that's a huge difference.

re the BJD2 CD - saw it advertised on TV the other night - interesting to note, in the ad, there are movie clips of BJ with MD but not DC; also the shot of MD looking at her straight after "1 in 3" - so does this mean MD is a bigger selling point than DC? (at last)

I found a listing of video rental ratings at Rotten Tomatoes. BJD is in 5th place, having grossed $4.88 million cumulatively in its second week, doing about the same as it did during the first week. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/videodvd/top_rentals.php

Yep, I was at Blockbuster on Wednesday night, and all of the DVD and VHS copies were out (although I would have thought they'd have more of them, there were only about 10 of each).

Another one for Renee: " Ren�e Zellweger is getting "Down with Love". Zellweger is in talks to play a feminist writer who falls for her exact opposite: a chauvinistic journalist. Bring It On helmer Peyton Reed is slated to direct for Fox 2000. "

Hhmmmm...does Our Man do "chauvinistic journalist"? Surely, it wouldn't be difficult to imagine waves of loathing emanating from the audience then!

After listening to SM's commentary on the BJD DVD I had to look this up: http://www.artnet.com/ag/fineartdetail.asp?wid=51810&aid=1655&page=1&group=&max_tn_page=2 "When I was young, I never needed anyone..."

v.g. Bryonny. Sharon did evoke the same image. Doubt, however, that the girl in Knightsbridge was bemoaning loss of Huge Gnat though. ;-)

From an article in today's This is London on Andrew Davies: "But he is adapting The Edge of Reason, the second Bridget Jones. Davies is doing the first draft. So Renee Zellweger has signed up to put on several stone again? "She understandably doesn't want to put on all that weight again, so I'm trying to make fewer references to Bridget's weight."

Sounds v. positive! Good news!

Andrew Davies is also a very fast worker.

He lives in Cardiff I believe, that's old Cardiff to you and me;-)

Here is the full article: Return of the bodice ripper by Jasper Rees It's like a festival in the religious calendar, a secular saint's day. Round it comes every year, the mid-November Sunday when the BBC launches its annual instalment of Andrew Davies. They ought to call it St Davies Day, to celebrate the patron saint of classical adaptation. Last year it was Take A Girl Like You. The year before, Wives and Daughters. Before that, Vanity Fair. This year, he's serving up a dollop of Trollope. (As in Anthony, not Joanna.) You could see Davies in a monk's habit, with his pinkish face, his white crew-cut and his paunch. Only he famously doesn't have a monk's habits, what with his obsession with putting all the sex back in that the Victorian novelists left out. "I'd like it very much if any controversy about The Way We Live Now doesn't centre on 'Has he dragged more sex in than was in the book?'" he says, before explaining how he has done just that. The Way We Live Now is Trollope's door-stopping account of a Victorian England besieged by its own greed. It's a sort of prototype Bonfire of the Vanities. David Suchet, as the monstrous financier Melmotte, joins the queue of actors, including Ian Richardson, Colin Firth, Juliet Aubrey and Natasha Little, who have given the performances of their career in a script by Davies. "It wasn't my idea," Davies says. "But I guess what struck me was it was utterly unlike my mental picture of Trollope, a bit long-winded, a bit gentle, a bit cathedral-closey. Trollope was deeply disillusioned when he wrote the book. He had been abroad and came back and suddenly looked at London and England with a fresh eye and thought, it's all so corrupt. I just thought you could do this in quite a bold expressionist kind of way." Trollope boom in the Nineties, in which John Major's fandom was deemed significant. Davies thinks the High Tories were seduced by the Palliser novels in which "you have the sense that things would probably work out all right in the end because we're all British. In this one the British are a lot of greedy acquisitive bastards, just as bad as anybody else." Davies's monopoly of the market is a bit like Man U winning the title every year. He has such a stranglehold, to use his own word, on the genre that there are now more than enough shows to start an Andrew Davies channel on satellite, showing endless reruns of A Very Peculiar Practice and the iffy sitcom Game On alongside Middlemarch and co. After Darcymania, ITV was persuaded that it might be worth its while to do the odd classic too, and who did it hire? Next month Davies's modern version of Othello, set in the Metropolitan Police force, is on ITV. And it's entirely possible that Davies will be scheduled against himself next year, when his BBC Daniel Deronda and ITV Dr Zhivago will both be made. "It's very nice to be regarded as the top adapter. It means I'll get more nice jobs at an age where most writers, especially for film and television, are regarded as being well past it. I could, in the manner of somebody refusing a drink that he loves, say, 'No no, I won't do it this year. I'm going to write something original.' And indeed I think I ought to do more original stuff. But then these tempting things come along. I find it much easier doing this than thinking up a good story. I don't mind if the dialogue is crap or the plot doesn't quite work. It's always easier to fiddle with something that's already there." Davies lives with his wife in a Victorian semi in Kenilworth, near Warwick, where he used to teach at the university before he gave up to write full time. It's exactly the kind of street where you feel his work is appreciated, even if the BBC1 poster at the end of the road advertises Walking With Beasts. There's a Lexus in the forecourt, but no other signs of great wealth, although he did buy and knock through to the house next door. He works there. You look at the books casually cast around his diningroom and assume that's what you'll be watching on TV within a couple of years. There's a Le Carr�, Motherless Brooklyn by Jonathan Lethem, and an Italian dictionary, none of which he is adapting. But he is adapting The Edge of Reason, the second Bridget Jones. Davies is doing the first draft. So Renee Zellweger has signed up to put on several stone again? "She understandably doesn't want to put on all that weight again, so I'm trying to make fewer references to Bridget's weight." Occasionally, people tell him what he should adapt next. A woman in a shop told him Villette was the best novel by a Bronte (whom, as with Dickens and Hardy, he has never adapted). He read it and it confirmed his view that the Brontes' novels are "little more than young girls' fantasies". I tell him if he's so hard he should have a crack at War and Peace. It would be a good way to see in his 65th birthday. "You think two things about that at the same time: 'Wow, that would be great', and 'I'd love to see the finished product'. But the idea of doing all that work ..." The Way We Live Now, 8.45pm, Sunday, BBC1

An interesting review of BJD: http://www.chicklit.com/paperjam/paperjam16.html I disagree w/ several points, but might be nice for discussion.

Ooops! The person who told me he lived in Cardiff won't be getting any CF "exclusives" again from me ;-)

(Mari) : "But he is adapting The Edge of Reason, the second Bridget Jones. Davies is doing the first draft." Was lurking on one of the other CF boards on the w/e. There was a post from somebody who wrote to HF enquiring about sequel. Apparently, HF recently wrote back to say that there is definitely going to be a sequel and EoR adaptation is now being drafted. Sorry - couldn't remember which board it was on.

They'll probably change the title to BJD2 ;-)

BJD has received a nomination for Best European Film by the European Film Academy. Full listing on 148. The previous nominations were for popularity, audience-type awards to be voted on by the public. These are academy members.

Just had to come out of lurkdom to say I just bought a DVD and the main reason I did was to watch BJD. my poor daughter just shakes her head and says "Again" :). I think I've watched it everyday for the last two weeks. ;) I just love this movie. If I don't have my MD fix before going off to work, the day just drags by. I miss some of the posts off and on so just wanted to ask, sorry if's it been mentioned already. Is CF going to do the second one? Does anyone know? I do remember someone saying that MD and BJ split up in the second one, if so how much of Colin are we to see if they do? It won't be as good if he's not there.

I just discovered this web site about my fav actor, CF. I can't believe how many women are crazy about this man. I have eight pictures of him on my desk to get my motor started each day. I go through the video stores looking for movies to rent. How can that be at my age? I'm a grandmother for heavens sake! I just watched A Thousand Acres this past weekend, but missed his accent. He was lovely to look at none the less!

Welcome, ladies. It's always a pleasure to have new droolers come aboard. Especially those who know how to start the day right! In the beginning of the second book, Bridget wakes up early just to watch MD sleep so she can drool without interruption. A kindred spirit, n'est-ce pas? If they don't put that scene in the movie, it'll be a crime, IMO. And if CF isn't in the second movie, well, it just won't be Mark Darcy, will it? We must just trust that Andrew Davies (and whoever else works on the script) will do such a superlative job of writing it that ODB wouldn't dream of turning it down. (And we must also light the votive candles just in case.) ;-)

Don't fret. Colin will do it. What else has he got lined up? ;-)

Yeah, but I'm gonna sacrafice a few dead chickens, get out the voodoo dolls and incense and make a trip to Lourdes just in case.

WELCOME SANDEE We love new members. Don't worry about age...several grands around;-) This is an "Equal Opportunity" board!! (Louise)We must just trust that Andrew Davies (and whoever else works on the script) You better light a few candles for Richard Curtis too, Beth. The first time around AD couldn't make it on his own.

(Evelyn) The first time around AD couldn't make it on his own. Didn't he say at the U of W that he was only called in to work on a couple of scenes? Welcome Sandee! Come join us on 155 to talk about your Firthfatuation. :-)

Can anyone tell me when and in what newspaper Bridget Jones first appeared? Thanks

It first appeared in The Telegraph back in the autumn of 1997....am I right in saying '97 fellow Firthologists ? There is a link to the original columns in the BJD section of Karens wonderful site, The Bucket

Actually that's not the case.

(Evelyn) The first time around AD couldn't make it on his own. (Karen)Didn't he say at the U of W that he was only called in to work on a couple of scenes? Ad hoc he wuz CUA;-)))

I think prior to the publication of BJD -- the book, the columns appeared in the Independent. Haven't found an online site for those yet. Has anyone else?

Yes, the columns ran in the Independent each week for about a year, and then transferred to the Daily Telegraph. The book (both books) re-used a fair amount of stuff from the columns, although they were obviously more fully plotted.

(KJ) Haven't found an online site for those yet. Has anyone else? You don't have to look very far--Karen has links to the columns up at the Bucket. Click on the BJD page. The one with the Christmas shopping discussion is my all-time fave. ;-)

Whoopsie, I'm wrong. Karen has links to the Telegraph columns only.

Eileen - Crhistmas shopping dialogue was classic. If I recall, did not make that to EoR. Wonder whether they will resurrect for the script. If not, hope they retain the scene in the book where R Finch telephones and interrupts a very *critical* moment bet BJ and MD. LOL when MD answered! ;~)

The Independent never put the columns online. *fools*

The one with the Christmas shopping discussion is my all-time fave. ;-) Mine too. That would be such a great scene for BJD2--a classic: "It's very hard!" Swooooon!

Tanks for the information about the link. I'm going to read the column as soon as I find the time for it.

(Thanks to LizzieD for this!) http://www.womencentral.msn.com/beautystyle/articles/aj_1029.asp Five holiday fashion mistakes 1. Abuse of white and cherry red. White shoes, white tights, white angora sweaters with satin applique and glittery bits hanging off them, white blouses with pie-crust collars and mutton-chop sleeves. Red satin skirts, red overcoats with little black velvet buttons (a la Princess Beatrice), big fat red ribbons (a la Bakery window) worn on too-tight cavalry pony tails. Stop right there. 2. Tartan and velvet in the same outfit. 3. Clothes with Christmas motifs printed, embroidered or knitted onto them. Remember that ghastly moose sweater in Bridget Jones�s Diary? 4. Christmas accessories like look anything like tinsel or bulbs. 5. Fluffy hair. And Bryonny says, "Excuse me, but his mother gave it to him! He's a good boy." :-)

That was his excuse for the sweater, but what about the fluffy hair? ;-)

(Moon) That was his excuse for the sweater, but what about the fluffy hair? ;-) tugging sweater on and off while fighting with his Mum "no I won't wear it" "oh yes you will"

(rachael)tugging sweater on and off while fighting with his Mum "no I won't wear it" "oh yes you will" LOL! Cue to inspirational background music, "Aint No Mountain High Enough..." ;-)

Ananova reports that BJD has been nominated for the British Comedy Awards 2001 category of Best Comedy Film, along with Best In Show and Shrek.

(Minkee -- from 148.1279) Did we throw a bday party for Bridget Jones herself? Have not kept up with all the posts but we may have overlooked BJ's own birthday last November 9! Was watching BJD video a few days ago and noticed calendar on her desk just before the High Court scene leading to the blue soup bday dinner. This date was also announced in the voiceover just before she was assigned the Agani/Heeny trial. Wasn't BJ's Birthday sometime in March for the book? (Don't have a copy, so can't double check -- depending on failing memory here). She had her friends over and messed up a shepherd's pie dinner, but was taken out to a restaurant by her whole gang of friends, including Magda, etc. Wasn't the November dinner party (including the blue soup and stuff) devised by BJ and friends as an excuse to invite Darcy over, after her blowing the date (literally) with the loud hair dryer, and then being granted a reprieve for it with the interview offer? The same night of *that* party was when she got the call from her Dad about her criminal Mom! I was kind of disoriented when they combined the two events and moved the birthday up to November in the movie. Maybe we should ask Helen Fielding which birthday we should honor as the *official* one!

You're quite right, KJ. Bridget's birthday is March 21 in the book is labeled as such. That's when she stepped into a pan of mashed potatoes. The second was November 21 but not so much a thank you for the interview but that she needs to make the next move as she's blown the date.

Oh, good! Nice to know I haven't become completely senile! Thanks, Karen!

Have just finished taping BJD on PPV, even though I have the DVD. I do have a legitimate reason, though. My VCR is in the bedroom, while the DVD player is in the living room, so if I want to see MD in bed (so to speak), now I can! So I don't really need therapy.

(Louise)...so if I want to see MD in bed (so to speak), now I can! So I don't really need therapy. ROTFL When MDH is away, I take my PC notebook to bed and play the FreshAir interview. Louise, *YOU* see MD in bed; *I* listed to ODB in bed, next to me! *YOU* think you don't need therapy. *I* think I most definitely do!! I say again : "I shall conquer this! I shall!!" - Methinks am in the denial stage of really bad dose of Colinitis.

oops... listed supposed to be listen

The following article appeared in last week�s TV Week in Australia. I don�t think it has been reproduced here but if it has I apologise for duplicating. There is also a photo which is similar to others that we have seen. I will try to arrange for a copy of it to be scanned in; I know you *need* to see it ;-) �COMING UP IN: The sequel to Bridget Jones�s Diary� will he or won�t he? Renee Zellweger may have turned down the lead role, but the word is that Colin is close to signing on the dotted line to reprise his role as Bridget Jones� shy, diffident suitor Mark Darcy in the follow-up, which is currently being penned by Helen Fielding. BACK STORY: In the fickle streets of Tinseltown, 41 year old Colin has only just been discovered, but he has been plying his trade there for some years. He played the Vicomte de Valmont in Valmont (1989) and had a prominent role in the 1995 hit Circle of Friends. Colin also starred in The English Patient (1996). A Thousand Acres (1997), the very British Fever Pitch (1997) and Shakespeare in Love (1998). Colin�s wet shirt scene as Mr Darcy in the saucy and hugely popular UK TV adaptation of Pride & Prejudice (1995) launched him as a sex symbol. With his role in Bridget Jones�s Diary, the label seems to be sticking.�

The reindeer sweater turned up, being worn by the male host of BBC1's Saturday morning kids' programme The Saturday Show this weekend. Don't know why, as I only saw the last minute of it. Did anybody (or their kids) see more and know why he had it (and if it was a replica)?

Thanks for the article Cathey, look forward to the photo. Mark, you can't fool us with your nonchalent Reindeer sweater remarks, we know that cast members are priveledged to insider info ;-) Anyone caught the BJD "to buy" campaign on TV yet? It's the Dinner party scene with blue soup featuring heavily and MD saying "excellent", for once no HG at all!

Renee Zellweger may have turned down the lead role, When? I thought she was the first one to agree to do it, but not to lose the weight. Frankly they did such a good job with stuffing Julia Roberts (in that film with C Zeta Jones), that I'm sure they can work something out for Renee. the word is that Colin is close to signing on the dotted line And if he's smart, he'll negotiate points. ;-) Thanks for posting it, Cathey! (Mark), The reindeer sweater turned up, being worn by the male host of BBC1's Saturday morning kids' programme Who will want it now?! LOL! It's hard to believe that there would only be one such sweater.

(TV Week) the word is that Colin is close to signing on the dotted line Yeah, right. This is a ways off, folks. Unless CF is now into signing before reading the script--he used this approach for L, after all. ;-)

(Eileen) This is a ways off, folks Yes, it all sounds like 3rd hand information, 2 months old. Another indicator which is currently being penned by Helen Fielding. Wasn't there that article on Andrew Davies with a direct quote from him saying *he* was at work on EOR?

Yes, there was. And by Jasper Rees who is pretty dependable on his facts, even if he *does* tend to "posit" above and beyond the call of duty ("pulling a Jasper" was what we used to call it, I think) ;-) http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/lifestyle/londonlife/top_review.html?in_review_id=471694&review_text_id= (3rd paragraph up from the bottom).

(Lizza)for once no HG at all! Well, that's refreshing. I saw a pay-per-view commercial for BJD the other day, and there was no footage of CF at all, just RZ and HG. Very disappointing. :)

Here's the photo accompanying Cathey's article: It's from the same photoshoot as a layout used by the Evening Standard's magazine of June 9, 2000. http://www.spring.net/karenr/articles/es060900.html Other than looking up Colin's filmography, did the writer do any current follow-up? I don't think so.

Just noticed from watching again that the funky music on the BJD DVD during the main menu is music that is played in background at the launch party when Bridget enters party room and goes up to Rushdie group and Mark Darcy. I know we discussed this silly little music before but not sure if we discussed it being in the movie as well.

(KarenR) It's from the same photoshoot as a layout used by the Evening Standard's magazine of June 9, 2000 And if it seems to look a little funny, that's because they reversed the image. Compare with the full-face at the top of Karen's article...

OOops, more news on the BJD tv campaign, there's the reindeer sweater bit as another ad and also Colin in the boat as another (sadly they had to let HG in on the act eventually). Seems like they have done several different adverts hopefully a different on every night until Dec 1st.

Wait, does that mean that pic is the same as what CF sees in the mirror each morning (i.e. reversed)? I remember reading somewhere that that's why most ppl think they look a bit odd in photographs, cause they're used to seeing themselves in the mirror.

(KJ) that's because they reversed the image That occurred to me too--that they flipped it. I was checking out the little curl of hair at the top to see if it matched.

Miramax website: http://www.miramaxhighlights.com/ " BJD will return to select NY & LA theatres Friday Nov. 30th." Pushing for Award Nominations?? Hip, Hip, Hooray

Ok, now here's an off-the-wall parallel. My bf has this thing about Robotech, and he was watching some of the recently-released DVDs of the show. There was a scene almost exactly like the scene in BJD at the Ruby Wedding, or at least the version in the script where she actually says I love you. One female member of the triangle comes up to the other two (it's in the middle of some apocalyptic battle for Earth, of course) and says goodbye, I have to go off on an intergalactic mission to find the evil alien masters, have a nice few years, cya later, oh, and [guy], I just have to say, I love you. There is much twittering and drama, she runs off, etc. Ok, maybe this should go in the "You Know You've Been Watching Too Much BJD When" section...

Re Celebrity Special Photo: His hands, Louisa!

(Evelyn) Pushing for Award Nominations?? You betcha.

I've had my own experience lately with "Having watched BJD too much". My daughter has started using the line "Come the f..k on Bridget" when she was tired of waiting for me. ;)

I was wondering if someone on the list could help me. I'm trying to buy all of ODB films. The problem being, I haven't seen them all. And some of course are having trouble even renting. Where I need the help is figuring out which to buy first. I'm unfortunately not independently wealthy so have to pick and choose which to get at any given time. What I would like is if it's possible to have a list of his films in order of his appearance. ie: Fever Pitch is pretty much all Colin, him being the main star. Shakespeare in Love, however, he only comes in once in a great while. While it's a great movie,I think, he isn't in it much. I would live to get the films he's in most first. Is it possible for someone on the list who has seen them to send me a list from most to least.?

Me...I like "Camille";-)) He stars in Femme Fatale,Apt Zero, The Advocate,Playmaker, (not great...except for the steamy scenes:-)))))All available from the online video websites or ebay. Unfortunately, his best starring projects were on British TV and are not easy to find. But you can catch them for sale occasionally on ebay.Worth persevering. Good luck!

"Come the f..k on ...." LOL, that has become on of my sayings too. Must admit I get some looks when I use it a work ;-)

Unfortunately, his best starring projects were on British TV and are not easy to find. But you can catch them for sale occasionally on ebay.Worth persevering. Have you seen the prices for Tumbledown and Lost Empires recently? And surely these are just copies of copies... Try to befriend a CF fan with a well stocked video library and copying facilities. Copies may not be first class, but the costs will. :-)

Just wanted to report that Bridget shaking her bunny bottom made it to the new Coke commercial they are showing in theaters. V.G.

Does anyone get the Sundance Channel (I don't). ODB won the People's choice award for Best European Actor for BJD, but wasn't present, so Sharon Maguire accepted (in Berlin). Can anyone get the telecast of it and check out what his "speech" was to have been?

From Sundance's own homepage: http://www.sundancechannel.com/schedule/ Sundance Channel: Sat, Dec 1. 09:00 PM European Film Awards 2001 Original Production ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live from Berlin's Tempodrom, the European Film Academy presents the 2001 European Film Awards. Rebroadcasts: Sunday 12.02.2001; 3:30PM Wednesday 12.05.2001; 10:30AM Wednesday 12.05.2001; 10:30PM Saturday 12.08.2001; 5:00PM Tuesday 12.11.2001; 11:00AM Wednesday 12.12.2001; 1:00AM Friday 12.14.2001; 2:00PM

Thanks, KJ, I've been wondering about that one. Saw some news items about who was attend and saw Jude Law's name and figured he was to receive the People's Choice actor award instead of CF. How nice!

Plus he beat out the Huge Gnat! *hee hee*

Huge Grunt... ;-)

Miramax is definitely getting into the pre-nomoinations push. Today's NYTimes had several movie ads (all Miramax) that had a tiny line at the bottom saying ACE, ADG, ASC, BAFTA LA & BAFTA NY [and many more initials] members would get in free by whoing membership card. One of the ads was for BJD. There is a "special return engagment" in NY. It would appear that they're pushing RZ and the movie primarily. The ad says "BRIDGET's BACK!" The photo shows only RZ. KJ, I get Sundance. I'll check it out this afternoon good thing the Giants have a "bye" week and I won't have to fight DH for the TV that has digital cable!

For our UK contingent, according to European Film Awards site: The Awards will be complemented by an extensive weekend programme, and will be broadcast in the UK by FilmFour/ Channel Four... but I don't have a schedule.

I watched the start of the European Film Awards. Colin's was the first one, so I stopped at that point. Sharon's acceptance on his behalf is posted on 155.

The UK edition of the BJD DVD has been released this month, and I wonder if there is any difference from the US edition. I noticed on the Amazon UK website that there are 9 deleted scenes included, but I remember reading somewhere that there are only 7 in the US version. Hmmm, could there be a reason to hope that there is more of CF in the UK version? Maybe the protests abt the US version did register somewhere? Would really appreciate if anyone who has the UK version could kindly enlighten on this, and also whether this has the home movie (with little Mark and Bridget) ending. BTW, saw that this is no. 1 on the DVD sales rank in Amazon UK.

Aishling has it...

The list of 7 "coulda-stayed-deleted" scenes from the US DVD are about 200 messages back.

And ... same scenes are on UK DVD. Only difference: as well as the US ending, there are some extra scenes in UK-ending-style.

(Mark) there are some extra scenes in UK-ending-style. So there are scenes of other people commenting on Bridget & Mark that were cut out? If so, the big question (drum roll) are there any with Colin? *looking for large knife*

So there are scenes of other people commenting on Bridget & Mark that were cut out? If so, the big question (drum roll) are there any with Colin? *looking for large knife* The DVD that I saw had the added scenes from the UK ending plus more that were not included in the film but they were mostly Hugh additions, no Colin. I commented to Lora the same thing the time we saw it.

But, from what I've heard, the UK ending *had* additional shots of other people, including Colin, talking. I believe they are on the Asian bootleg copies (VCD or the downloadable internet version). In fact, I've got a screen capture of Colin during one of those bits that didn't make it.

(Karen) I've got a screen capture of Colin during one of those bits that didn't make it. Bwaaaaaaaa. I wanna see the scene at the rubbish bin.

Nag, nag, nag... but since I've got a new bag of pecans... ;-) They're not too good. I would imagine we'll get better ones now that the UK DVD is out and someone should be able to do screen captures over there. What does he say?

Where is that scene from, Karen?

Never saw that one! Why would it be on an Asian bootleg? Is it in the British version?

Thanks for putting that up Karen. Not in the British version I'm afraid Moon :-( I prefer the Ziegfield version best;-))

Right! It would've been in the version that critics saw (started at the train station with homeless people) and is the one being bootlegged out of Asia. It almost seems like all the deleted scenes (US & UK DVDs) are ones that had been on that version. In other words, they didn't give compiling the DVD too much thought. Just picked up the most recent scraps.

(Jackie) Where is that scene from, Karen? BJD;-) (Karen) Nag, nag, nag.. LOL. The only way....Thanks Boss. (K)they didn't give compiling the DVD too much thought Screwed again...like the CD soundtrack. Slugs:-((

Not just us, but everyone. They never went back for better scenes.

It would've been in the version that critics saw (started at the train station with homeless people) and is the one being bootlegged out of Asia. I want one of those. How can I get one?

Many thanks to Karen for putting up the pics, and everyone for sharing the info on the different versions. The BJD VCDs are widely available here, just saw them at the supermart today. These are not the pirated ones (btw, there are lots of crackdown on piracy over here these days). Am very tempted to get my hands on the VCD now that Karen has put up the pics. Hmmm, nice outfit. But what I really want is the DVD (with max CF/MD exposure), though now it seems that there is no difference betw the UK and US versions in terms of the most important things. So much for waiting so long :(( But how to justify to my DH for buying both the VCD and DVD of the same movie? Oh gosh, this is getting complicated.

(Karen) What does he say? I have just been concentrating on the very great pleasure a pair of fine eyes in the face of a pretty woman can bestow.

(K)It would've been in the version that critics saw (started at the train station with homeless people) and is the one being bootlegged out of Asia. (Moon)I want one of those. How can I get one? Stanley Market in Hong Kong. And China Town, street corners in NYC.

Does anybody know if there will be a third installment in the Bridget Jones book series?

*Have fallen off chair!!!!* Miramax is actually putting Colin's name forward on the 'For Your Consideration' ads that go in the trades for BEST ACTOR, with the Gnat in the supporting category. OK, we know this isn't going to happen, but I reached for the defibillator just the same. ;-)

Notice at the bottom how Miramax has highlighted Colin's win at the European Film awards (must say People's Choice in the small print)

Hooray!! Don't you love seeing the "Best Actor European Film Awards"featured!!

Karen-Am not convinced that this is not just one of the most excellent "doctoring" jobs one sees in these parts. 'Fess up now ;-) It cannot be true! We are all astonishment! ;-D

Karen, pass me those defib paddles when you're done. ;-) Hmmm, should we look for re-tooled TV ads featuring CF instead of HG? =8-D

Oh dear! I am wondering if this is a way of getting a nomination for the Gnat. It was a substantial supporting part for which he received many plaudits. As a main part, Mark Darcy was insubstantial (tho completely droolworthy, it goes without saying). If they want as many gongs as possible, that would be the way to go. What are the rules about what is a supporting actor?

(Allison) What are the rules about what is a supporting actor? Other than rules surrounding dates and circumstances of release, original use of material, etc., actor vs. supporting actor issues are rather flexible. More than one actor with a lead role has been pushed into the supporting actor category to improve his/her chances of getting the award. However, in this situation, Miramax is targeting the Golden Globes, which has two different categories for its awards: Drama and Comedy/Musical. Bridget's going to be nominated for Best Comedy/Musical and RZ and going to get nominated for Best Actress in a Comedy/Musical. (She won last year for Nurse Betty in this category). Miramax is pushing Colin's name for the same. However, the GG's supporting categories combine both Dramas and Comedy/Musicals, so the likelihood of Huge getting very far is dubious at best. As we all know, the Oscars rarely acknowledge comedy performances, although RZ's got a chance because of the dearth of female acting parts worthy of note. They could be scrapping the bottom of the dramatic barrel this year.

What's her name in Memento was very good. Other than that, I can't think of anyone else...

(Laura)Other than that, I can't think of anyone else... Wait til "Charlotte Gray"....This is gonna be Cate Blanchett's year. And then there's KW coming in "Iris"

Thanks for the ad, Karen--what a nice surprise! I think you've called it: CF has an outside shot at a Golden Globe nom for Best Actor/Comedy or Musical. Also, I think the Gnat *might* have an outside shot at a supporting actor nom for Oscar. So, maybe they've positioned the two guys where tyhey think they might have the best chance. It's so tough to predict this year, as they've held back most of the "quality" releases even longer than usual, so it's difficult to determine who the competition will be. The studios seem only concerned with getting the one week run in NY and LA in, to qualify for Oscar. So, who will CF's competition be in the Comedy/Musical category? I'm thinking Ewan McWhiner for Moulin Rouge. Gene Hackman for The Royal Tenenbaums. The Gnat could very well slip in there, no matter how they position him in the ads. Maybe Cusack or Crystal for America's Sweethearts (which stank, IMO). Cusack for Serendipity? Jackman for Kate & Leopold? Early reviews on that one are not good. Other than those, am drawing a blank. Any thoughts? Who am I missing?

Miramax has put in a half-page black and white FYC ad for Colin in the trades. Here's a portion of it from an eBay auction. You LA folks should be thumbing through the papers on a regular basis. Maybe they'll spring for a color one shortly. ;-) (Mari) So, who will CF's competition be in the Comedy/Musical category? I've got an article about the entire GGs, with lots of possibilities named. Unfortunately, it was put together in November *before* the hideous reviews for Kate & Leopold. From THR:In the Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture Comedy or Musical category, Ewan McGregor, as the crooning writer in "Moulin Rouge," would seem a shoo-in. Gene Hackman, as the presiding patriarch of "The Royal Tenenbaums," offers the tempting prospect of a dramatic actor doing a comic turn. Clooney, who walked off with the prize last year for his performance in "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" could make a repeat visit, possibly with co-star Pitt in tow. Hugh Jackman, the romantic lead in "Kate & Leopold," is a possibility as is John Cameron Mitchell from "Hedwig" and John Cusack from "America's Sweethearts."No mention of KNW but that is what the ads are for.

On Supporting Actor (which is a mixed category):The struggle for supporting actor, in contrast, is a regular free-for-all. The big titles all include prominent actors who regularly score come awards time: "A Beautiful Mind" includes Ed Harris as a CIA agent; "Ali" promises a toupeed Jon Voight as sportscaster Howard Cosell and Jamie Foxx as cornerman Drew Brown; "The Majestic" features Martin Landau as a small-town theater operator; the troops in "Black Hawk Down" include McGregor and Tom Sizemore; and among the fellowship in "The Lord of the Rings" are such denizens of Middle Earth as Viggo Mortensen, Ian Holm and Elijah Wood. But smaller movies are also expected to figure in the equation: Ben Kingsley has already earned a critical thumbs-up for his gangster portrayal in "Sexy Beast," as have Jude Law in "A.I.," Joe Pantoliano in "Memento" and Tony Shalhoub in "The Man Who Wasn't There." But before any of them can be considered a lock, they all must withstand a new wave of competition from such year-end openers as "Iris," which co-stars Jim Broadbent; "The Shipping News," which features Scott Glenn and Pete Postlethwaite; and "Last Orders," which is a virtual who's who of British actors such as Bob Hoskins, Tom Courtenay, David Hemmings and Winstone. Finally, just to throw a curveball, DreamWorks is even talking up the suggestion that Eddie Murphy deserves a supporting nod for giving voice to a donkey in "Shrek."

Thanks Karen for the GG news. Sure - only FYC at the moment but sure beats being the "invisible man". LOL! It now seems only such a short time ago when seeing news footage showing ODB walking behind someone being interviewed on camera sent this whole board delirious! Look at him now! WOW - very unimaginative unoriginal word, I know - but all I can say in stunned but ecstatic amazement at Miramax campaign. Does this make up for shortcomings re MLSF and SIL. ;~) Who's in charge of lighting candles? Am also very admiring of the *old-timers* on this Board, lurkers or otherwise, who have stuck with ODB through the "lean" years.

(Mari)"Ewan McWhiner for Moulin Rouge" ROTF. THR"John Cusack from "America's Sweethearts.", Oh puhleeze.Lousy movie, lousy performance.And not a mention of Ray Winstone for Sexy Beast.Or the Memento guy. Nobody from Gosford Park???

Ev, remember we're talking about the Comedy/Musical category. Otherwise, *none* of these guys would have a shot. Drama will be a whole other ballgame. Also, see 155 for my opinion of THR's opinions. ;-) Am surprised to see they consider Ocean's 11 a comedy?

Just keep in mind that THR is very establishment-oriented and for that matter so is the very small group of people who comprise the H foreign press corps that selects the GGs. They are into celebs, not acting. Shoot! The awards show is put on by Dick Clark of all people. What does tell you? ;-) (Evelyn) And not a mention of Ray Winstone for Sexy Beast.Or the Memento guy. Nobody from Gosford Park??? That was the Best Actor in a Comedy/Musical category. Sexy Beast, Memento and Gosford Park would be in the Drama category.

Looks like we posted at virtually the same time. ;-) (Mari) Am surprised to see they consider Ocean's 11 a comedy? I have heard it is funny and not at all done as a serious *caper* movie.

Looks like we posted at virtually the same time. ;-) Great minds!:-) Re Ocean's 11: I have heard it is funny and not at all done as a serious *caper* movie. I'm going to try to see it this weekend. I love Georgie Porgie to bits, you know, but he already has a well-deserved Comedy GG from last year (for the excellent "Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou?"). Give somebody else a chance. I want Colin in that Lead Comedy category, and that's final. ;-) ;-)

Oceans 11 is hilarious. V. unsoderbergh.Lots of good cinematic techniques.And Georgie was born to wear a tux.

And Georgie was born to wear a tux. Oh, you're makin' me drool!:-) That's my weekend movie. Well, I'd be very happy to see Jorge get another GG nom, but then someone else will have to drop out to make room for CF.;-) Speaking of the likely competition, did anyone see Hugh Jackman on Leno last night? Jeez, could Jay have raved any more about Kate & Leopold? I could have done without HJ's charming anecdote about peeing his pants on stage.:-( He did a good job on SNL last week, though. HJ is a real schmoozer, you can tell, very outgoing, gregarious, confident; I'm sure he has those GG people salivating. So let's see, McWhiner will get the third slot. Hackman the fourth. Spots are dwindling .. . .:-(

Mari - I'm sure you saw the clip they showed. Another Darcy rip-off with 'the' white shirt and light coloured breeches. Pfft. As much as Hugh is adorable, I want ODB! The role is not a stretch, but doesn't he know what breeches does for his career?!

Mari, you love George to bits? Did you know George and gorgeous have the same latin origin? Just a bit of trivia ;-) Do you love him more than you love Colin ? Sounds like it. Fess up. ;-)

*swatting nasty cyberpests* *swat* *swat*

Jackie, my mommy always told me to date a lot of boys and not tie myself down to any one in particular too soon. So, Colin is still my # 1 boyfriend and always will be, but if he can't take me to the prom, then I'm asking George. And if George can't go, then I'm asking Jermey Northam. So, I think I'm set. Oh, but then there's the ring dance and the sock hop to worry about . . .:-)

*lower lip stuck out* But HE'S my boyfriend! He has asked ME to go steady. ;-)

Whoa...it's a Firth fight, a *real* Firth fight...the tomatoes should be easy to duck since their SLOW, but watch out for those bahnahnahs that, yes, we *do* happen to have today, and strawberries, well, they make a real mess, especially on white shirts ;-)!

But *I* am wearing his ring!:-) Alright, Rosenberg, outside. I should have done this years ago. ;-)

Aw, you can have him. I'm done with him. There's a much more interesting guy I've met at the movies... Gotta go. Love being an usherette. ;-)

*swatting nasty cyberpests* LMAO. We seem to have had a few this week.Good riddance;-) LOL. We've never had a Firthfight before...firthtime!

Poetry, anyone? Mari and Geo-orge sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S-I-N-G. First comes love Then comes marriage Then comes George Jr. in a baby carriage! Well, it was the kiss of death in my playground days.

(Evelyn)We've never had a Firthfight before...firthtime! Have you got eggs? ;-)*this time keeping the Firthfight on topic* :-) (and above, their should be they're -yikes, it always looks right until *after* I submit :-\)

LOL Ladies!! I'm not bothering to go to the movies this w/e , you are all more fun! Take a collective bow as you collect your Oscar, but don't fight over it.

Are they nuts? (Although I do use the phrase from #4 all the time) From Ananova: A scene from Bridget Jones's Diary has been voted the top movie moment of all time. The memorable scene sees Bridget's boss Daniel Cleaver encounter her huge pants. The survey involved more than 1,000 UK filmgoers. It was carried out by www.yell.com. The Top 10 Movie Moments were: 1. Bridget Jones's Diary: When Bridget's granny knickers are exposed on her date with sexy boss Daniel Cleaver. 2. The Matrix: When Neo stops the bullets and becomes The One towards the end of the film. 3. Braveheart: When William Wallace cries: "You'll never take our freedom" as he fights for his cause. 4. Pretty Woman: When Vivian returns to the shop where the assistants were rude to her, expensively dressed and oaded with shopping bags and says: "Big Mistake. Huge." 5. Gladiator: When Maximus kills Commodus in the last fight in the gladiatorial ring, exacting revenge on the man responsible for the death of his family. 6. The Italian Job: When Charlie says: "You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" when they are practising explosions for the bank raid they were planning. 7. Breakfast at Tiffany's: When Holly is window shopping at Tiffany's in an evening dress and with a croissant in her hand after having been out all night on a date. 8. Pulp Fiction: The scene when Vincent Vega is dancing with the wife of Marsellus Wallace, played by Uma Thurman, in a club's dancing competition. 9. American Beauty: When Jane and Ricky are watching the film Ricky has made of a plastic bag being blown about in the wind. 10. Saving Private Ryan: The opening battle scene of the D-Day landings.

So many moments...so little time. Hmmm...wonder who they asked ;-) Note to self, must make list of favorite moments in BJD, then rank. V. difficult task! But research part pleasant.

I found this old interview and decided to try and translate it. It was in a Finnish magazine in August, but it seems it was done in March. I did type the whole interview but then managed accidentally to delete it, so I retype parts of it. (Warning:May contain spelling mistakes) "Date with BJD" Sun 18 March I`m going to L.A to interview CF, the mr Darcy from PP.Actually, I`m going to interview couple of others too: RZ,HG,director SM and author HF.And the subject isn`t mr Darcy, it`s BJD. 10pm Yes, the movie was hilarious. Now I�m even more excited to meet CF, because in this movie too he was just like mr Darcy, looking sullen. You�ll remember that scene where Darcy comes from the lake with his shirt all wet. I hope he`ll be wearing very thin shirt tomorrow. Mon 19 March 9.02am Mmmm. I�ll meet CF today. Mmm 9.15am But first there`s director SM, whom I know nothing about. I read that she has done many awarded documents. And she`s also a friend of HF. I see. 1.30pm I`m interviewing SM. She�s wearing very open orange dress and for some reason she keeps fingering a vitamin container. 1.55pm Sharon haven`t got a ring. But she`s wearing push-ups. Every female reporter agree me on this. 2.30 Oops. HG is sitting next to me. 2.33pm HG keeps joking all the time. He claims he doesn`t think that he`s good looking, and that he`s not wearing any make up at the moment and that he has never considered going to a plastic surgery. 2.40pm I don`t think Hugh is a joker. `By covering you reveal something`. I`m very irritated. A Norwegian reporter giggles every time he says something funny. Finally she askes:"Hugh, how does it feel to be a sex symbol?" 2.45pm I decided to ask whether H can identify himself to Bridget`s problems. "Which one?" "Well...being a single...and desperate?" "No" he says and drinks cherry vichy. 2.55pm Haa! The Norwegian reporter tries to get into the same photo with HG, but the camera won`t work. 4pm RZ steps in. Oh she`s so beauiful and so small. She has fully lips and honey blond hair. 4.01pm Everybody knows that R is Jim Carreys ex-girl friend. I`d like to ask how was it to kiss his rubbery lips, but instead I ask which one was better kisser, HG or CF? She doesn`t answer. "People would make conclusions." I just hate diplomatic people. 4.15pm R reveals that she can bake Norwegian pastrys. Her Emis-father is from Norway and mother from Switzerland. They met on a ferry from Denmark to Sweden. That must have been love at first sight because the trip only takes 1 hour. 4.23pm I read that R is loosing her weight with Ally McBeal thecnique: No carbohydrates. That`s horrible. 4.30pm CF, OOH! 4.32pm "Colin, why do all the women get a crush on Mr Darcy?" Oh no! 4.32pm CF doesn`t get mad.No, he`s smiling.Unfortunately his shirt isn`t that thin. 4.45pm "I�ts difficult to know when people like me or when they like my role. That`s why you just have to rely on yourself." 4.50pm Question:"Can you identify yourself as a man to Bridget`s problems?" (Hey, I can`t think anything else) "Absolutely!" Colin Answers and describes how lonelyness is the plague of modern society. There you go, Hugh! 4.55pm I could listen Colin`s soft English till the next earthquake. He says that he doesn`t need status symbols anymore. He`s not one of those guys who pack themselves into too small sport cars. I`ll ask what car he drives. He smiles:"Volkswagen Golf." 5pm CF has gone. OOH!

Thank you for translating and posting this, Odessa. You did very well. The humor came through. I especially liked the catty push-up comment. LOL!

Thank you Odessa for taking the time to translate and type -up the interview. I think your reporter asked interesting questions without being intrusive. Well Done!! CF"He says that he doesn`t need status symbols anymore." Er...a...except for Van Cleef Arpels "Zanzibar"@ $43.bucks a bottle;-))

I ask which one was better kisser, HG or CF? She doesn`t answer. "People would make conclusions." I just hate diplomatic people. Well here we have definite opinions on the subject. ;-) Thanks for posting Odessa.

The Sun-Herald, one of 2 major Sunday papers in Sydney, voted RZ as their choice of Best Actor (Female)for 2001. "The world was stunned when American RZ was hired to play Britain's most famous modern fictional heroine. But the Jerry Maguire star was the perfect fit for author HF's "singleton". RZ had the guts to stack on the kilos and actually look like a normal woman. She nailed that Pommy accent. She captured the drunken singing of a home-alone spinster. And she proved that real women have curves - sexy ones - and a sense of humour." Hounourable mentions : J Binoche (Chocolat); S Bullock (Miss Congeniality); Rose Byrne (The Goddess of 1967)

.....spits coffee all over computer screen.....have been away from a computer for nearly a month...did I REALLY just read that Col has rubbery lips....or am I just seriously jet lagged and sleep deprived ?

Not Colin, Jim Carrey ;) (of course I don`t know, maybe he has too)

Item about the international box office take by studio had the following: Universal scored with a number of heavy-hitters, including a record five pictures that crossed the $100 million mark. The Mummy Returns hit $228 million; Bridget Jones's Diary, $208.5 million; Hannibal, $184 million; Jurassic Park III, $183 million; and American Pie 2, which has reached $131.5 million with six territories recently opened and three as yet unfurled. DreamWorks' Shrek also registered an almighty $202 million as the studio posted an international box office of $537.5 million. The success of Universal's slate "shows the strength and the depth of our films and our marketing and distribution effort," said Randy Greenberg, the studio's senior VP of marketing and distribution. He singled out the worldwide marketing campaign for "Bridget Jones's Diary" and star Renee Zellweger's willingness to travel the world plumping the picture as key to its success.

" star Renee Zellweger's willingness to travel the world plumping the picture as key to its success." And thereby opening doors to more roles;-)What director and producer doesn't love a star like that!

plumping the picture as key to its success I thought she already did this by gaining the 20 pounds. ;-)

The London Film Critics' Circle Award nominations were announced today, but this is the only item I can find and it's ridiculously incomplete. What shoddy reporting by Teletext: London critics ignore Harry Harry Potter star Daniel Radcliffe does not figure in the nominations for the 22nd Awards of the London Film Critics' Circle. But co-star Rupert Grint does. He is one of five nominees for British Newcomer of the Year. British Actress nominees include Helena Bonham Carter for Planet Of The Apes and Judi Dench for Iris. Michael Caine (Last Orders) and Ewan McGregor (Moulin Rouge) are up for British Actor. Best Actor (international) nominees include Jeff Bridges (The Contender), Jack Nicholson (The Pledge) and Ryan Gosling (The Believer). Stephen Frears (Liam), Ken Loach (Bread And Roses) and Michael Apted (Enigma) are among British Director nominees. Best British Film nominees include Bridget Jones's Diary and Gosford Park. Film Of The Year may be Amelie, The Others or Lord Of The Rings.

(Karen)But co-star Rupert Grint does. He is one of five nominees for British Newcomer of the Year. I thought he was the best out of the lot AND it was his first role EVER. Good for him! and Yeah for Bridget, but waht about CF for British Actor???? huh????

Rupert Grint was singled out in quite a few reviews here along with the actress who plays Hermione, acted the socks off Harry.

More incomplete information on the London Film Critics Circle Awards from THR today. Why hasn't anyone published a complete listing????? Film of the Year The Man Who Wasn't There Moulin Rouge Amelie The Others The Fellowship of the Ring Best screenwriter category Joel and Ethan Coen, (The Man Who Wasn't There) Kenneth Lonergan (You Can Count on Me) Jean-Pierre Jeunet and Guillaume Laurant (Amelie) Michael Haneke (Code Unknown and The Piano Teacher) Alejandro Amenabar (The Others) Best Director Joel Coen (The Man Who Wasn't There) Aljandro Amenabar (The Others) Peter Jackson (The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring) Baz Luhrmann (Moulin Rouge) Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu (Amores Perros) Best Actor Billy Bob Thornton (The Man Who Wasn't There) Jeff Bridges (The Contender) Jack Nicholson (The Pledge) Ryan Gosling (The Believer) Javier Bardem (Before Night Falls) Best Actress [Ed note: A major slap in the face!] Joan Allen (The Contender) Reese Witherspoon (Legally Blonde) Audrey Tautou (Amelie) Nicole Kidman (Moulin Rouge and The Others) Isabelle Huppert (The Piano Teacher and Merci pour le chocolat) British film of the year (Ed note: none of which apparently garnered any nominations!) Last Orders Bridget Jones's Diary Enigma Gosford Park Iris The ceremony also includes awards for foreign language film, British newcomer of the year, British screenwriter, British actor, British actress, British actor in a supporting role, British actress in a supporting role and British director. [No names provided.] The awards will be handed out in a Feb. 13 ceremony at London's Dorchester Hotel. ~~~~~~~~ Isn't there someplace to call to get the full list????

Best Actress [Ed note: A major slap in the face!] You're not kidding. Seems like these critics still haven't gotten over it. Either that, or they can't admit they were wrong. How small.:-(

Boo hiss. Major shut-out for our Bridge::(( So where's Sexy Beast? Thanks Karen.

A spy within WT says that the sequel is definitely in the works and that both RZ and CF has signed on to appear in it.

YIPPPPEEEE!!!! Have decorated office in manner of Thai jail cell, while dancing in bra and singing "Like A Virgin." ;-) ;-) Bring on the towel scene! Bring on some no-towel scenes! Lizza, the whisk, please!:-) Many thanks to you and the WT deep throat, Karen.:-) " . . .touched for the very first time. Like a vir-er-er-er-gin. When your heart beats. . . next to my-ine."

Where is my Chardonnay for a toast?! :-P Great news Karen!

Time to Party!

Normally I'd be questioning this report (wot? CF signing earlier than the day before shooting begins?) *but* anyone with half a brain could see a sequel without RZ and CF would be doomed. Dooooomed! Thanks for the info, Karen. Am sure you'll keep pressing said spy for details as they emerge.

Happy about the news, too! I bet they sgned on for points too. ;-) Best Actress [Ed note: A major slap in the face!] (Mari), You're not kidding. Seems like these critics still haven't gotten over it. Either that, or they can't admit they were wrong. How small.:-( Majot, major slap!!! The British have a tendency to do that. It happens with the Booker Prize too. Why is Amelie there, when it should be in the Foreign film category? Che pasticcio Bridget Jones!, What a mess BJ!, appears to be the title of the second book in Italy.

Excellent news Karen! I'm whisked into a frenzy already Mari! Here we come again Zeigfeld;-) Omigod but that does mean "BJD 3, The Soundtrack." Bet we can guess what they'll choose already...... time for a top ten list ladies;-0

Here we come again Zeigfeld;-) Yes! (But *someone* had better implement some family planning techniques in advance!;-)

Yes! (But *someone* had better implement some family planning techniques in advance!;-) LOL! It is too much to ask. ;-)

Happy news. Hope he's booking his appointments now with the Trainer to the Stars. I want that towel scene. Ooh,and perhaps we'll get to see him ski too so we can add to our collection of Firth sports moments. (Jumping the gun? Who me?)

Super news! Presumable HG is not needed, as all that happens to him in EOR is a punch in the face from Mark Darcy, if I remember correctly - and he's had that already! I will rely on your spies, Karen, to try and get me enough info to barge in on the filming of the sequel.... Now, who will play the jellyfisher Rebecca?

I will rely on your spies, Karen, to try and get me enough info to barge in on the filming of the sequel.... Dust off the suit, Burberry Man! And waddamean "barge in"? You're a pro now. (You're really clear in the DVD Mark. Mucho better that in the VHS)

Geez! Took me this long to figure out what "WT" was. And I call myself a moviegoer ;-) Excellent news (and connections), Karen! One can develop serious hope!

(Mari, on topic 148) I doubt if BJD2 will start filming any time soon Is the script even finished? Has it hit the mandatory final writer (RC) yet? We know HF and AD have had their turns.

From Ananova. (And it was "Can't Live" that was screeched; she didn't make a sound on ABM!): Chicago song and dance act a big challenge for Rene Zellweger Renee Zellweger says her forthcoming role in the film version of Chicago is one of the biggest challenges of her career. She says it is a long time since she had to sing and dance. Zellweger will star alongside Catherine Zeta Jones and Richard Gere in the big screen version of the hit musical. She last sang on screen when she screeched out the ballad All By Myself in the opening sequence of Bridget Jones's Diary. Zellweger told Ananova: "That was meant to sound pretty grim.The stuff I have to do now is slightly more serious. "I don't think, Bridget apart, I have had a bigger challenge than this. It has been a long time since I have sung and danced. "I did dance class when I was a kid but I quit and stormed out because they made me shake my butt to silly music. "I was, as Bridget might have said, dead stroppy. But I wasn't going to be a bimbo." Director Rob Marshall is convinced Zellweger is the right actress to play the role of Roxie Hart. He said: "Trust me, she sings beautifully and she moves very well."

February 5 is the sell-through date for new BJD videos. List will go down to $14.99.

VCR alert for North America!! E!TV features Bridget and ODB on their Behind the Scenes program at 3:00PM EST, Friday, 17January. I think it's the "Making of..." feature; my daughter says she saw it when it was on earlier this week.

Friday is the 18th. I just checked the schedule, it is on this afternoon. Thanks for the tipoff, Elizh. Hmm. Is this the one in which HG hogs the conversation and ODB looks as though he'd rather be taking a trip to the moon? Or was that the one on VH1? :-/ Will tune in.

The nominations for Empire's awards: Best Debut Radcliffe/Grint/Watson - Harry Potter Billy Boyd/Dominic Monaghan - The Lord of The Rings Orlando Bloom - The Lord of The Rings Sharon Maguire - Bridget Jones's Diary Keira Knightley - The Hole Best British Actress Olivia Williams - Lucky Break Helena Bonham-Carter - Planet of The Apes Kate Winslet - Enigma Rachel Weisz - The Mummy Returns Catherine Zeta Jones - Traffic Best British Actor Hugh Grant - Bridget Jones's Diary Sean Bean - The Lord of The Rings Ewan McGregor - Moulin Rouge Tim Roth - Planet of The Apes Sir Ian McKellen - The Lord of The Rings Best British Film Mike Basset: England Manager Bridget Jones's Diary The Parole Officer Enigma Lucky Break Independent Spirit Award Jean Pierre Jeunet - Amelie Gael Bernitz - Amorres Perros Terry Swigoff - Ghost World Alejandro Amenabar - The Others Best Actress Renee Zellweger - Bridge Jones's Diary Nicole Kidman - Moulin Rouge Frances O'Connor - A.I. Artificial Intelligence Audrey Tautou - Amelie Nicole Kidman - The Others Best Actor Elijah Wood - The Lord of The Rings Viggo Mortensen - The Lord of The Rings Billy Bob Thornton - The Man Who Wasn't There Benicio Del Toro - Traffic Haley Joel Osment - A.I. Artificial Intelligence Best Director Peter Jackson - The Lord of The Rings Baz Luhrmann - Moulin Rouge Steven Spielberg - A.I. Artificial Intelligence Steven Soderbergh - Traffic Cameron Crowe - Almost Famous Best Film The Others The Lord of The Rings A.I. Artificial Intelligence Harry Potter and The Philosopher's Stone Moulin Rouge

Just caught a really funny snippet on Radio 4's comedy programme, Samuel Pepys diary done in the style of BJD. v v good

I'm normaly a lurker, but I felt I just had to post this! Kat Celebrity News: 1st February 2002 Lead Stars Back For Bridget Jones's Diary Sequel Ren�e Zellweger, Hugh Grant and Colin Firth are reuniting for a sequel to hit movie comedy Bridget Jones's Diary. The film's script is currently being completed, and while it will be based on Helen Fielding's second Bridget Jones book The Edge Of Reason, it will be amended to feature Grant's devilish character Daniel Cleaver - as he does not feature in the follow-up novel. An executive on the new production explains, "We needed the lead trio back for the second film to work." Zellweger has accepted to reprise her lead role on the condition the script is an improvement on the massively successful first instalment. While she has agreed to pile weight back on for the part of a thirty-something British singleton, it will not be as much as the 20 pounds she gained last time.

Maybe this is in very earlier posts, but... does anyone know the name of the designer that made Renee's dress for the London premiere of BJD?

Kay: ...does anyone know the name of the designer that made Renee's dress for the London premiere of BJD? Azzedine Alaia http://www.peoplenews.co.uk/delivery/common/parties/index/party/0,2443,1-4560-24,00.html

BJD won two awards at the Evening Standard British Film Awards held last night: Best Screenplay and Peter Sellers Award for Comedy (Hugh Grant). Here are the other categories: Best Film: Gosford Park Best Actor: Linus Roache (for Pandaemonium) Best Actress: Kate Winslet (for Quills, Enigma and Iris) Carlton Television Most Promising Newcomer: Ben Hopkins (for The Nine Lives of Tomas Katz) Best Screenplay: Bridget Jones's Diary Peter Sellers Award for Comedy: Hugh Grant Technical Achievement: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Special Achievement Award: Christopher Lee ********* Tony Blair was a surprise guest at the Evening Standard British Film Awards for 2001 - but the Prime Minister got a surprise of his own. It was mischievously suggested that Mr Blair was the "sizzling" inspiration for the Mark Darcy portrayed by Bridget Jones's Diary heart-throb Colin Firth. Richard Curtis and co-writer Helen Fielding collected the Evening Standard Best Screenplay award from the Prime Minister, who said he had enjoyed the "shrewdly observed" film immensely. In return, Curtis said that like Mr Darcy, Mr Blair was "full of intelligence, fighting for justice here and abroad - and sizzling with repressed sexuality". The Prime Minister looked suitably abashed. They joined a host of British film's finest - and a smattering of Hollywood visitors - at The Savoy for the ceremony, presented by Jack Dee. Introducing the awards, outgoing Evening Standard editor Max Hastings said: "It is a pleasure to see such a dazzling assembly of talent, the men and women responsible for giving us some of the greatest entertainment on earth." The audience, including Sir Ben Kingsley, Charles Dance, Terry Gilliam, Jade Jagger, Kate Winslet, Anna Paquin, and Timothy Spall roared their approval of Robert Altman, 76, the American director whose Gosford Park won the Best Film Award, and veteran actor Christopher Lee, who received the Special Achievement Award. Lee, 79, whose roles have included Bond villain Scaramanga in The Man With The Golden Gun, was presented with his award by the British super-spy's current incarnation, Pierce Brosnan, 48. Kate Winslet took the Best Actress prize, despite the strong claims of Dame Judi Dench and Kelly Macdonald-She was presented with her award by Mick Jagger, producer of Enigma, who said she "brings an intelligence to every part she plays". Jagger jokingly referred to her roles in Iris - which opens with her swimming underwater - and Titanic, saying: "Her ability to act well in water always astounds me." Winslet was honoured for her part in three films, Enigma, Quills, and the hot Oscar tip Iris. Linus Roache won the Best Actor award for Samuel Coleridge in Pandaemonium, but was abroad filming and unable to collect the award in person, which was presented by Hollywood actors Anna Paquin and Jake Gyllemhaal.... Greta Scacchi presented production designer Stuart Craig with the Best Technical Achievement Award for the magic he has woven in the first Harry Potter film. Hugh Grant was a hugely popular winner of The Peter Sellers Award for Comedy for his portrayal of the hapless cad Daniel Cleaver in Bridget Jones's Diary, opposite Renee Zellweger. Grant, 41, sent a message from Los Angeles via video in typically self deprecating style: "The whole project for me was a little bit scary because, as you probably know, I like on the whole as an actor to play exactly the same part in every single film I do." Ewan McGregor, presenting director Ben Hopkins, 32, with the Carlton Television Best Newcomer award for his compelling vision of London The Nine Lives of Tomas Katz. The ceremony will be screened tonight on Carlton at 11.30pm.

Article about how the awards were determined by the panel (Neil Norman, Alexander Walker of the Evening Standard, Derek Malcolm of The Guardian, Angie Errigo of Empire magazine and film journalist and film-maker Richard Jobson). In the Peter Sellers comedy category, there was only one candidate. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/hottx/review.html?in_review_id=495251&in_review_text_id=455416

(Gnat) as you probably know, I like on the whole as an actor to play exactly the same part in every single film I do." *snort* Touche!

Tony Blair making the presentation to Helen and Richard:

Is there any confirmation about CF and RZ doing the sequel? I read in a Swiss paper (quoting peoplenews) filming was to start in 7 weeks.

7 weeks?! Oh my, something appears to have gotten lost in the translation or is a perfect example of that party game where you whisper a rumor to a person and see how it ends up at the close. Here's the source of all these news items, Baz's column from Friday's Daily, which Aishling provided: Renee will pile on the pounds for a new date with Hugh Comeback for Bridget and her men Renee Zellweger and her big-screen lovers Hugh Grant and Colin Firth will get back together to film the Bridget Jones movie sequel this autumn. Screenwriter Andrew Davies is writing a screenplay based in part on Helen Fielding's second Bridget Jones novel, The Edge of Reason, although those close to the production of Working Title and Universal tell me the movie's plot will not entirely follow the book's storyline. Ms Zellweger said that as long as the script improves upon the original, she will be happy to recreate the role of the Chardonnay-swigging 'singleton' and will spend two or three months before filming starts preparing for the picture. That will include piling on the pounds--although I understand not as much as the stone-and-a-half she had to gain for the original movie, which was released last year and took close to �45 million in the UK alone and $300 million globally. When I saw the actress in the US several days ago, she was as slim as can be for her role as a killer chorus girl in the movie musical Chicago, which she and Catherine Zeta Jones are filming in Toronto. Renee then moves on to a romantic comedy with Ewan McGregor, and following that she may take a role in Anthony Minghell's film of Cold Mountain with Tom Cruise-although Cruise may not be the right man for that project. If Davies can complete his draft screenplay within the next six to seven weeks--and if everyone concerned agrees on it--then the Bridget Jones sequel could begin filming later this year. Otherwise it will go before the camera in 2003. 'We needed the lead trio back for the second film to work--even though Hugh's character, Daniel Cleaver, doesn't feature in the second book,' an executive told me in LA. The floppy-haired Grant, who normally plays the romantic lead, was the personification of an English bastard in Bridget Jones and received rave reviews for playing so convincingly against type. He plays another bastard-though this time one with a few more redeeming qualities than the odious Mr Cleaver--in his next film, About a Boy, based on the novel by Nick Hornby. I predict the picture, due out in Spring, will be a box-office hit and may garner Grant the nomination for Best Actor in the Orange-British Academy of Film and Television Arts awards which he was denied this week for Bridget Jones (Zellweger and Firth were nominated). 'The script for the sequel has got to be better than the first, otherwise the whole thing will be suspect,' an executive connected to the Bridget sequel told me. 'There's no point in re-hashing--we have to be better!' ~~~~~~~~~~ I am going to repost Mari's assessment of this article as I think it's spot on: (Mari) My old PR instincts (you didn't know I was Puerto Rican, eh?) ;-) tells me this is "non news," planted by Huge's people because he's stung over not getting a BAFTA nom, when RZ and CF did. When you think about it, it *is* embarrassing and HG isn't used to taking a back seat. The "executive in LA" is probably his publicist. The article is careful to emphasize how important HG is to the sequel and then goes on the About A Boy tangent, with the "prediction" that he'll get a nom next year. Very transparent to me.

I guess the online voting wasn't successful...From Ananova: Kate Winslet and Ewan McGregor have been named Britain's top acting talents for a record fourth time by moviegoers at the Empire Film Awards. The pair have been named best British actress and actor for more than half of the seven years which the magazine has been running its annual event, voted for by readers.... Box office hit Bridget Jones's Diary was named best British film but missed out on any other prizes. The Empires are the only major British movie awards voted for by moviegoers themselves. The full list of winners is as follows: Best debut - Orlando Bloom (Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring). Best British actress - Kate Winslet (Enigma). Best British actor - Ewan McGregor (Moulin Rouge). Best British film - Bridget Jones's Diary. Independent spirit award - Alejandro Amenabar (The Others). Best actress - Nicole Kidman (Moulin Rouge). Best actor - Elijah Wood (Lord of the Rings). Best director - Baz Luhrmann (Moulin Rouge). Best film - Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. Empire inspiration award - Michael Mann. Empire lifetime achievement award - Christopher Lee.

Well, here's more from Sharon McGuire, director of BJD: Bridget Jones's Diary director confirms sequel Director Sharon Maguire has confirmed there will be a sequel to Bridget Jones's Diary. Maguire says work on the film version of The Edge Of Reason is at an early stage. She has refused to confirm reports that Hugh Grant's part will be expanded from the book. Grant played Daniel Cleaver in the first film. Bridget's creator, Helen Fielding, feels he has to be given a bigger role than the one he has in the book. She told www.empireonline.co.uk: "'They have to write him in because he was so fantastic in the first one. "He only has about four pages in the second book, but you can't confine Hugh to two scenes or something so there definitely needs to be more." Story filed: 11:00 Thursday 7th February 2002

Thanks, Kat. Yeech. Can't think of any way to expand the role of DC without altering the book all together. Hmmm. Maybe it will be DC who meets them in Thailand and plants the drugs in their bags (though I'd prefer it if they drop that particular storyline). (HF) They have to write him in because he was so fantastic in the first one. As if *HG* was the reason people loved this movie... :-/

Right. As if *he* was the sole start of the show. But I think Mari is right (see response #743) - HG's publicist is probably making a splash to highlight their client. That's OK with me, though, as it's given us more news about the sequel! Kat

Actually, is the same news chewed up and spit out again at a different site. You should read the spin the Guardian has put on the same nonstory. These people must be chowing down on burritos before bedtime. ;-)

Have also been hearing Colin Firth's going to be in "Le Divorce" and Merchant Ivory Productions has denied that, too. Seems to be a lot of stuff floating around out there. Must be slow days for news! Kat

Kat, why don't you check topic 155 for other CF news. That's where news on Le Divorce and other rumored projects is discussed. BTW, you will see Mari's original post from MI there.

RENEE DID IT!!! WOO HOO!

Yeah Renee'!!!!!!!!! Totally deserved nomination!! Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Have you met Miss Jones???? YIPPPEEEE!!! So very happy for Renee--well deserved! More Oscar chat on 148.

For Renee...the whole cast,Sharon Maguire ,Helen Fielding,& all the guys from Working Title who believed she could do it. Renees Revenge: A Big Buzzy Bronx Cheer to all you said "A Texan couldn't play Bridget".

Miramax has scenes of BJD on their website for the Academy's consideration. Here is the "Just as you are" trailer... http://www.miramaxhighlights.com/bridgetjonesdiary/mom_justasyouare.html

Well done Rene! She deserves it! From imdb.com....I liked this! 4 February 2002 Summary: Oh, this is so much fun!! I watched this movie unwillingly--a friend encouraged me to see it, since I thought it was just going to be a sex-diary sort of movie. As a fan of Zellweger's from "Nurse Betty," I really enjoyed seeing her in this film. She looked like a "normal" woman, and the humor was wonderfully down-to-earth. I've never been a fan of Grant's, but I was happy to finally seeing him playing the greasy playboy I've always thought he was, and happy that he DIDN'T get the girl! (Drove me nuts that he kept playing stuttering nice guys in all these period movies, getting all dressed up and looking innocently lost. Gag.) But the guy who DID get the girl... "Ummm," I thought (since I was unable to really get out a coherent thought :), "Who IS this guy?!" He gets the girl in this movie opposite two well-known movie stars, and I've never heard of him before!? So I wandered over to the IMDb and discovered Colin Firth (and "Pride and Prejudice"! WATCH THIS MOVIE!! :), and have never been the same since. :) People wrote articles ask ng the question: "Grant or Firth?" and I snort. Firth, of course. Hands-down. No competition, and there never was. Grant is just an overly-confident British guy with a posh accent. Firth...is worth admiring. The final sequence of the film with him in that great coat and turtleneck and look oh so...um... Anyway, that whole sequence makes up for all of the grating you have to endure for Bridget's sake to get through the Grant parts to the really good parts at the end of film, when Grant's character is finally out of the picture.

Okay. Own up. Which of you wrote that? :-))

Wow - good to come back to fantastic news. Congrats Renee. Well deserved. I feel like she's won already even if she does not actually get the statue. MDH's only remark after seeing BJD was..."It's good to see normal looking women on the big screen". I say - it's good to see normal looking women getting nommed. Oh my - I hope she looks "normal" when she attends the Oscars. But maybe I'm asking too much.

Renee's current look is very, very, very skinny. But I am looking forward to her Oscar outfit. I loved the yellow vintage gown she wore last year.

From Ananova: Bridget Jones writers confident Zellweger will reprise role in sequel The writers of Bridget Jones's Diary say the sequel is "looking good." Andrew Davies has already written two drafts of the second film, to be called Edge Of Reason. His writing partner Richard Curtis says he's pretty sure Renee Zellweger will star in the film. "She's an Oscar nominee for the first one. We're f***ed if she doesn't," Curtis told Ananova. Curtis and Davies refused to comment on whether Hugh Grant's role would be expanded in the sequel. But speaking at the London Film Critics' Awards, where they won the Best British Screenwriters award, they did say they had a "very cunning" way around the dilemma they face over Colin Firth. In Helen Fielding's book, Bridget Jones interviews the real-life actor Firth, who is expected to star again in the film as Mark Darcy.

Top 10 "very cunning" ways around the dilemma they face over Colin Firth. 10. Colin Firth plays himself. 9. Colin Firth plays himself. 8. Colin Firth plays himself. 7. Colin Firth plays himself. 6. Colin Firth plays himself. 5. Colin Firth plays himself. 4. Colin Firth plays himself. 3. Colin Firth plays himself. 2. Colin Firth plays himself. And 1. Colin Firth plays himself. Hey dude where's my edge of reason? ;-)

"very cunning" way around the dilemma they face over Colin Firth Hey Mari - remember when KarenR overcame this *dilemma* a couple of years ago. He can play all three parts. Seems logical IMO.

confident expected pretty sure LOL! They've backed off from the "will be back"...unless someone forgot the "we hope" bit. Richard Curtis being mentioned is new though, but "expected." ;-) "Cunning" way around it? Uh oh, call in Baldrick. ;-)

So, KarenR, how did you propose they get around the "dilemna?" Kat

Just read this about Oscar: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oscar Reax: Shock, Shameless Dancing Wed Feb 13, 8:58 PM ET (E! Online) So much for British decorum. Ren�e Zellweger let it all hang out upon hearing the news of her nomination for Best Actress for Bridget Jones's Diary. "I'm shocked, honored and grateful and shamelessly laughing and dancing around the apartment," said the petite Texan, who turned into a pudgy Brit for the role. "I'm just happy, so happy." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm very happy for her and Bridget too ;-) Also, on intertops.com where people bet for Oscar best Actress winner, the current result is: Closing Date: Mar 24, 2002 21:00 Bet Selections Win Odds Bet! Sissy Spacek -167 Halle Berry +215 Nicole Kidman +250 Judi Dench +800 Renee Zellweger +1500 (Minkee): MDH's only remark after seeing BJD was..."It's good to see normal looking women on the big screen". I say - it's good to see normal looking women getting nommed. I'd say that it's good to see a normal looking woman gets an unusual handsome man ;-) BTW, I think that RZ is very pretty and adorable.

From your friends at cunningsolutions.com Bridget Jones, the new face of British public affairs, heads to Rome to interview Colin Firth (with whom she longs to have a private affair). At the airport, Bridge is subjected to a full 10-piggy search by the shoe removal police upon their discovery of myriad holes and runs in her pantyhose, surely signifying ample hiding places for explosives. The delay causes her to miss her 10 a.m. flight, so she hops on the 11, arriving in the Eternal City, oh, noonish. Racing to the car rental agency, Bridget is confronted with the intricacies of IST (Italian Standard Tikme), meaning they haven't yet opened for the day. Finally hailing a cab driven by a Bond girl, BJ arrives at the appointed meeting place, Ristorante Nohamletta. Tragically, she finds that Mr. Firth has already departed, having left word with the maitre 'd that he had other film commitments. Distraught, Bridget rings Mark Darcy on her mobile, sobbing out her predicament: BJ: "Oh God. I'll be sacked." MD: "I have a plan." A photographer is dispatched to Darcy's office, where Mark discards his barrister's suit in favor of a "Fela Kuti Rules" T-shirt borrowed from a client. The photo is snapped, BJ files her "story," and no one is ever the wiser. ;-)

Ristorante Nohamletta...having left word with the maitre 'd that he had other film commitments. Mark discards his barrister's suit in favor of a "Fela Kuti Rules" T-shirt borrowed from a client. ROTFLMAO!! Naturally, the maitre 'd resembled Baldrick who hadn't bathed since Elizabethan times. ;-)

(Mari) Finally hailing a cab driven by a Bond girl Mari, you had me up until "Bond girl" - LOL! Then I had to reread from the top and am still LOL holding my sides! cunningsolutions.com cunningly slipped right by me :-/ Btw, who is Baldrick? Am not familiar with this character as yet...or am I? Has he cunningly slipped by me as well? Thanks :-)

Mari...you had *me* til...she finds that Mr. Firth has already departed, having left word with the maitre 'd that he had other film commitments LMAO , along with the wet shirt...the guy will never live that one down.... serves him right;-)

Am sitting in cubical of new job trying desperately not to laugh hysterically over this, *snort* to funny Mari! :-) my favorite bit was the "I have a plan" LOL! btw Lora, Baldrick is the flunky in the Blackadder series...

Mari, that was too, too funny! Loved it! Kat

*smoosh* Mari! LOL!

(SB)Baldrick is the flunky in the Blackadder series... Ah ha, thanks for that. I haven't seen that yet. Does Colin play two parts in that series? Is that why Baldrick is being mentioned here?

Because Richard Curtis is one of the writers/creators of Blackadder and Baldrick always has a "cunning" solution.

Colin was Shakespeare in Blackadder Back and Forth, which was the Millenium special. Baldrick (Blackadder's idiot sidekick) always used to say "I have a cunning plan" which inevitably was either stupid or disastrous, or indeed both.

Now I get the picture. Thank you, Karen and Rachael, for the explanations. Let's just hope that Curtis and Davies have a plan that isn't stupid or disastrous. Wish there was a way for Mari to submit her plan for their consideration ;-D

Apparently, the Pandora (gossip) column in the Independent has printed its own version of the sequel situation. Talk about going from Point A to Point B via Timbuktu ;-) Hugh Grant, who starred as the cad Daniel Cleaver in Bridget Jones's Diary, was apparently so good that Bridget's life is going to be re-written to accommodate him in the sequel. "He only has about four pages in the second book," the book's author, Helen Fielding, tells Empire magazine, "but you can't confine Hugh to two, so there definitely needs to be more. He was so fantastic in the first one." It sounds as though Grant has displaced Colin Firth, Fielding's original crush for whom the character of Mark Darcy was written, in the author's affections, but Firth still gets to appear again too.

Ah so Firth gets to appear, too, does he? Awfully big of them! Actually, a couple of other BJD fans and I have been speculating just how does Daniel Cleaver get to play a bigger role in the sequel? My idea: He could be the one who meets her in Thailand and gets her in jail for possessing drugs. He'd be sleazy enough to use her in such a fashion.

Ah so Firth gets to appear, too, does he? Awfully big of them! Oh, no! Are we back to this? If Hugh was so good, where's the Bafta nom? Colin should fight for his part to be BIG this time. But we all know that he doesn't. :-(

(Kat)He could be the one who meets her in Thailand and gets her in jail for possessing drugs. He'd be sleazy enough to use her in such a fashion. True he's sleazy, but that part is not that big either. Plus I could do without the Thailand episode in the sequel. Has anyone here seen the movie "Brokendown Palace?" The Thailand part of EoR is exactly that movie condensed. We don't need to see it again. I think Hugh should take the part of the collegue of Mark's (though he doesn't have to be his collegue anymore) who has an affection for Bridget but ends up nursing poor Rebecca back to health after her fall. He then falls in love with Rebecca (who could be played by Liz Hurley ;-)heehee). That would put him at the country house where lots of the action takes place. Then everyone could end up happily ever after :-). Whatdaya think?

oops...make that "colleague" "Brokendown Palace" was with Claire Danes and Kate Beckensale, btw, to help you remember it.

Yes, but how would one explain away his uncanny resemblance to Daniel Cleaver? Com'on, that would be two uncanny resemblances to explain away in the film! I think Hugh should take the part of the collegue of Mark's (though he doesn't have to be his collegue anymore) who has an affection for Bridget but ends up nursing poor Rebecca back to health after her fall. He then falls in love with Rebecca (who could be played by Liz Hurley ;-)heehee). That would put him at the country house where lots of the action takes place. Then everyone could end up happily ever after :-). Whatdaya think?

(Pandora) It sounds as though Grant has displaced Colin Firth, And to think I had just managed to finally calm down hysteria in other quarters about this... >:-( It sure does SOUND that way! But remember the remarks of the writers and the director for this second film to the contrary, and also remind yourself that Ms. Fielding is neither one of these (which Pandora has neglected to point out). She is only giving out strong hints in the direction of her own personal desires at this point, and the media just love to grab this ball and run with it. Considering that HF doesn't really have much power or say on the pruduction this time around, I think we needn't run into the night screaming just yet.

I guess I'm puzzled. Why would there be hysteria about this? EOR almost totally does away with Daniel Cleaver, and I cannot quite see how they could bring him back in a much bigger role in the story. Colin Firth's being in the sequel's a given, so... You're right, it's all in the very preliminary stages and Helen Fielding isn't taking an active part in the script writing at this point. And to think I had just managed to finally calm down hysteria in other quarters about this...

Well, if there was any hysteria here, thanks for dealing with it, KJ. :) Sorry, Lora, I would doubt that they'd have the Gnat play a character other than Daniel. Perhaps, they'd have Bridge bring Daniel to some function that Mark is attending with Rebecca to make him nuts...sort of in manner of young whippersnapper. Bringing Daniel back is unfortunately a financial decision on Working Title's part. My fear is that they'll remake the first movie, instead of taking the Bridget-Mark relationship further as was done in the book and letting "Another Woman" break it up. If we have two guys and a gal again, the critics will be relentlessly pointing out that it's the same story, different animal jumper. ;-)

remind yourself that Ms. Fielding is neither one of these (which Pandora has neglected to point out). She is only giving out strong hints in the direction of her own personal desires at this point That's the puzzle, KJ. Why would HF do that? I thought she loved CF? What has changed her mind? Did CF ignore her recently? Did he not invite her to Luca's Christening? I think it should be two gals and a guy this time. Of course, the way Pandora thinks, they'd have to get Julia Roberts to be the other gal. That would satisfy their marketing dept. :-(

Okay, sorry I wasn't clear about this idea. Daniel is Daniel not the colleague anymore but with the same part as the colleague (the one who has a sort of affection for Bridget but ends up nursing Rebecca). He could be a tag-a-long to the weekend in the country somehow. He solicits Bridget's help with women (since he also has trouble with this - like the colleague character), Rebecca falls, Daniel becomes her caretaker and falls in love with her. This would keep it like Persuasion, but give him the more pivotal part in the sequel he wants (the one who redirects Rebecca away from Mark). Thus the happily ever after thing.

(Moon) Why would HF do that? I thought she loved CF? What has changed her mind? All HF has said is that he would have a bigger part than the book, in which he only appeared for four pages. Pandora has come to the unsuppportable conclusion that that Huge would edge out Colin completely.

Pandora has come to the unsuppportable conclusion that that Huge would edge out Colin completely. HF is only giving out strong hints in the direction of her own personal desires at this point. 1+1=2 HF has said is that he would have a bigger part than the book In order for Hugh to sign on, he will have another big part in the sequel. I think it's a shame that HF did not stick up CF and TEOR as she should have in the press.

Yes, I can see this scenario working. He's still ending up with blondes, except it's Rebecca,the jellyfisher. So, now, who would be good to play Rebecca? Kristen Scott Thomas, perhaps? Kat Okay, sorry I wasn't clear about this idea. Daniel is Daniel not the colleague anymore but with the same part as the colleague (the one who has a sort of affection for Bridget but ends up nursing Rebecca). He could be a tag-a- long to the weekend in the country somehow. He solicits Bridget's help with women (since he also has trouble with this - like the colleague character), Rebecca falls, Daniel becomes her caretaker and falls in love with her. This would keep it like Persuasion, but give him the more pivotal part in the sequel he wants (the one who redirects Rebecca away from Mark). Thus the happily ever after thing.

(Kat)He's still ending up with blondes, except it's Rebecca,the jellyfisher. So, now, who would be good to play Rebecca? Kristen Scott Thomas, perhaps? Rebecca, the jellyfisher, exactly! That's why I thought it would be interesting for Rebecca to be played by Liz Hurley. Even though Huge is more the jellyfish than she, symbolically and IRL they represent a couple who have helped each other through tough (controversial) times (90's style) sort of like the couple who end up together in the Persuasion scenario (more 18th century style). It's another Escher-like portrait ;-). Plus LH has swingy hair and could easily flirt with and divert Mark D., for the moment at least ;-).

Interesting and I like it, but when is Liz's baby due? Wouldn't they have to film around her pregnancy? Kat Rebecca, the jellyfisher, exactly! That's why I thought it would be interesting for Rebecca to be played by Liz Hurley. Even though Huge is more the jellyfish than she, symbolically and IRL they represent a couple who have helped each other through tough (controversial) times (90's style) sort of like the couple who end up together in the Persuasion scenario (more 18th century style). It's another Escher-like portrait ;-). Plus LH has swingy hair and could easily flirt with and divert Mark D., for the moment at least ;-).

People.com says she's due in April, so by the summer or fall she should be in fine shape ;-). Isn't it sometime then that they think production may begin and not before? We'll see if she even gets considered for the part, though. There's still lots of time before that will be decided. They're still working on the script, right?

Roger Ebert on "Oscar Noms": "The academy is notorious for its short attention span, and films have the best chance at nominations if they open in the last three months of the year. That the academy reached back to April to single out Zellweger's work in "Bridget Jones's Diary" is noteworthy. Zellweger's casting as the heroine of the popular British comic novel was controversial--Winslet was reckoned the obvious choice--but even London critics said she was wonderful in the role, for which she put on 25 pounds. This year's Oscar ceremony, emceed by Whoopi Goldberg, is scheduled for Sunday, March 24, at the academy's new headquarters on Hollywood Boulevard."

(Lora) People.com says she's due in April, so by the summer or fall she should be in fine shape ;-). Isn't it sometime then that they think production may begin and not before? We'll see if she even gets considered for the part, though. There's still lots of time before that will be decided. They're still working on the script, right? Yes, they're still working on the script, and of course nothing has been announced beyond that. I didn't know when Liz's baby was due; I didn't even know she was pregnant until last week! Goes to show you how little I keep up with celebrities. LOL Had lunch with a friend from work who's a real Colin Firth fan; she's got just about every film he's done on tape. Kat

From THR: British video sales leaped 20% to a record 34.3 million units in December, according to figures released Monday by the British Video Assn. "Bridget Jones's Diary" took the top slot for the month, shifting some 1.9 million units, followed by "Shrek" with 1.5 million and "Cats & Dogs" with 1.4 million. Other million-sellers in the month included "The Mummy Returns" (1.2 million) and "Pearl Harbor" (1 million).

I'm a relative newcomer, and so was catching up on the posts on the earlier BJD conferences. What particularly caught my fancy in one thread was the comment that going to see BJD numerous times can be like going to see the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" (which I did the play in London back in the 1970s and the movie several times), Another film that seems to elicit the same reaction from the audience is "Animal House" which I saw when I was in grad school. The audience was full of students wearing togas and they were echoing lines along with actors and threw packets of catsup and sugar at the screen during the food fight scene. All of which led me to speculate to a male friend of mine just what one would wear to a BJD screening. A bunny outfit? A micro mini? A see-through blouse with a black bra? The workout sweats? The underwear and cardie? Well, I told him what I would wear would be the pajamas. As for him, (he's seen the film twice), he'd wear Hugh Grant's outfit - the unbuttoned shirt, and he'd spray some water on himself before going into the theatre. LOL I'd hoped that since Renee is up for an Oscar, Miramax might distribute the film again to theatres, but I don't think that's very likely. Does anyone else know anything about that? Kat

Here's something rather humorous and fairly clever and well-done. It is an account of the birthday party and subsequent street fight told from Tom's perspective. Please don't read it if you have no sense of humor and take all this Bridget/Darcy stuff too seriously: http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=513995

too funny Karen!! what an interesting, ummmm , turn in the tale!

Yes, it's a quite interesting turn, isn't it? I thought it was hilarious. Kat

help,help! link to that Tom-story isn`t working (or is it just my computer?)

(Odessa) help,help! link to that Tom-story isn`t working (or is it just my computer?) The whole site seems to be down right now. You might want to try again later. Kat

*snorting with laughter* Tom story is Too Funny! Thanks for the link Karen :-)

you`ll never know what can happen...LOL!

Definitely a "twist"... (even if it was extremely predictable;))... Karen, thanks for sharing...

And CONGRATULATIONS to our very own BAFTA winner, Mark G !!! His shoes were the focus of our favourite BJD clip. Better luck at the Oscars Mark, next time your whole body should make the cut.

Hey! I open up my browser and what's front & center? Bridget Jones' Style! W/ a photo of Renee'! Yay! Here's the link: So cool! Its a nice little page about how they put together the 'Bridget look' but I enjoyed it!

For you LA folks (thanks to Diana): Helen Fielding is scheduled to appear at Book Soup on Thursday, March 14th, at 8 pm to promote the paperback release of Cause Celeb. Book Soup 8818 Sunset Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90069 310-659-3110

Marianne! Jana2! Are any of you going?

winter: Are any of you going? Sure, why not.

Glad to hear to it! I wish I could join you for another BJD reunion. Remember to ask questions about the sequel, and... if she's considering a third BJD book.

Marianne Sure, why not. Yay! Now here's the bad side... I can't! (I'm *finally* in Indonesia) But be sure to give us juicy details of her visit, and remember to ask that gratutitous "What's Colin Firth up to these days?" Book Soup may have her appear at the Bev. Hills library. The store's WAY too small.

(winter:) Are any of you going? (Marianne) Sure, why not. As of now it looks like my work schedule has me in town that week (have been traveling a lot) so I will try and make it too! Marianne, I'll keep my eyes peeled so we can hopefully sit together. (Moon) I wish I could join you for another BJD reunion. Me too. Thinking optimistiaclly, we'll just have to make a date right now to meet up for the premiere of TEOR. Surely your DH won't mind knowing what a fan he is of ODB ;-). (winter) Book Soup may have her appear at the Bev. Hills library. The store's WAY too small. Ahhh, brings back fond memories of the last time we saw HF at the Nick Hornby book signing (not to mention John Cusack..... heart is still beating faster over that one.) Winter, we will miss you but hope you are enjoying your time in Indonesia.

From an item in THR about summer overseas releases, it mentioned BJD's total grosses at an "astounding $278.2 million worldwide -- $206 million of which came from international markets." (UIP execs were hoping About A Boy will duplicate such results)

(UIP execs were hoping About A Boy will duplicate such results) I'm willing to put down a bet that it won't. The BJD trio will negotiate a hefty salary for TEOR. Lucky them!

Saw the trailer for About a Boy last weekend - Huge looks better with short hair than floppy, IMO; trailer was very short and doesn't say much about the story. Released here 26th April

Have been a few stills released in a magazine, Hugh with baby, Hugh with child.. ... high grossing? We think not and we know not;-)

I loved the book, I think it will and can bring in the money. Rachel Weisz is becoming well-known in the states, and I think everyone (well everyone I know) really likes Toni Collette. As for Hugh, I think he'll play a great Will. They'll definitely target the female genre (i.e., most men griped about seeing BJD, but once they did, they really liked it because it wasn't a "dumbed down" chickflick, (a term I hate!); I definitely would like to see this. I think it'll be a great date movie! (now, I just have to find a guy I like....hmmmmm)

Great book I agree Laura, but the publicity and hype won't be generated to the same degree that BJD was here, caught the imagination long ago in the newspaper columns etc Could be a great date movie ..... loads of places to keep your eyes closed when HG is on too;-) Oops taking an affectionate swipe at the Gnat dies hard, especially on this topic. Plus it's always hard to cheer along a NH project that doesn't have ODB ( or the class of John Cussack) hee hee.

This movie may be more popular in the States. I get the impression that here (in the UK)it is not only some of us diehard CF fans who a bit sceptical about HG. How else could Stephen Fry dare to raise a laugh about the Huge Grunt at the BAFTAs?

It will be interesting to see how successful the Nick Hornby/HG combination will be in the UK, and how the publicity fanfare compares with that for BJD. According to the Telegraph, Nick Hornby has just completed a screenplay, co-authored with Emma Thompson. It's a romantic comedy about two totally incompatible people (now there's an original concept!)

Since there isn't much Bridget news lately and I'm having a slow day, I thought I'd add this for all you BJD/Lord of the Rings fans: http://freespace.virgin.net/speedy.russell/myweb/thepurist/bridget_baggins_diary2.htm Anyone see the episode of Family Guy a few weeks ago that had a preview of Hugh's next movie? It was called "What's My Appeal?" and had a v. cute stammering cartoon Hugh. It was probably supposed to be insulting but I thought it was a compliment for him to be mentioned.

(Bethan)According to the Telegraph, Nick Hornby has just completed a screenplay, co-authored with Emma Thompson. It's a romantic comedy about two totally incompatible people (now there's an original concept!) Fever Pitch

Found this blurb on "Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason" at movies.com This sequel to Bridget Jones's Diary picks up four weeks after the end of the first film, when Bridget is trying to cope with living with another person and the arrival on the scene of Rebecca, a beautiful man-hunter.

Hmmmm... wonder who will play Rebecca???? (and Mark and Bridge didn't live together!)

Wonder how movies.com got this scoop since script is tippy-top secret. :-/ (Laura) (and Mark and Bridge didn't live together!) Well, Mark and Daniel didn't beat eachother up in the book version of BJD either. You know how it is when books morph into movies. wonder who will play Rebecca? Ooh, is it time to have a guess-fest like we did with Bridget?

Well, Mark and Daniel didn't beat eachother up in the book version of BJD either. You know how it is when books morph into movies. ] true, but five weeks after dating??? how many people move in with each other after five weeks????? ] In regards to Rebecca she better be beautiful and bitchy!

(movies.com) when Bridget is trying to cope with living with another person And we're jumping to the conclusion that it is Mark? Could be Gary. ;-D Wonder if I can run this one-liner past one of my sources for a confirmation of sorts...

And we're jumping to the conclusion that it is Mark? Could be Gary. ;-D ] I still say that HF blew that one out of the water. Gary could've been a good foil for Mark when he was with Rebecca. but noooooooooooo she had to make Gary out to be a stalker! Stupid git:)

(Laura) I still say that HF blew that one out of the water. Gary could've been a good foil for Mark when he was with Rebecca. but noooooooooooo she had to make Gary out to be a stalker! Stupid git:) Interesting viewpoint. :-) Hmmm... I can just see it: Mark ditches Bridget and Bridget ditches Gary. Then Gary in retaliation, sends the bullet to Bridget. Yes, it would have worked. Wonder why HF had to do the Thailand thing? I remember thinking it was so out of place when I first read EOR.

(Kat) she had to make Gary out to be a stalker! Stupid git:) I thought Gary sent her the bullet over her reporting him for leaving the hole in the wall and doing no work. No Thailand in that, I thought (though, indirectly, HF did the Thailand thing for Bridget to regain faith in her own abilities, and she reported Gary out of renewed self-esteem).

(KJArt)I thought Gary sent her the bullet over her reporting him for leaving the hole in the wall and doing no work. No Thailand in that, I thought (though, indirectly, HF did the Thailand thing for Bridget to regain faith in her own abilities, and she reported Gary out of renewed self-esteem). (Sorry about hitting the key too soon there) Yes, you're right. I went back last night and re-read those passages as it'd been a while since I'd read the book. I dunno about the reason for the Thailand thing. If I remember corrretly, the EOR story columns in The Telegraph, Bridget doesn't go to Thailand, Mark dumps Bridget in front of her apartment building, and the three have a confrontation in the apartment. No mention of Gary or a bullet in that scene. Maybe that would have made EOR too short?

(Kat) If I remember corrretly, the EOR story columns in The Telegraph, Bridget doesn't go to Thailand Actually, Bridget did go to Thailand and Mark did save her, but that happened while HF was still writing for the Independent. Quite a bit was changed though from the Telegraph columns for the book, especially as it concerned Gary.

Just got back from the reading/Q&A/book signing for Helen Fielding�s book Cause Celeb. It was fantastic, I really enjoyed myself � but he wasn�t there. As far as I could tell, there were no celebrities in sight. She read two excerpts from CC(Nadia - the model and the refugees, and meeting O�Rourke for the first time) and one from The Edge of Reason (the bad haircut). Frantically trying to remember things, before my mind turns to mush � I asked her was the script finished? No, Andrew Davies was still writing it. He�s wonderful at adaptations, and that he�s very good about writing for Mark Darcy. She�s good at Bridget and Richard Curtis is good at romantic comedy. Will there be a sequel to the EOR? No, she�s currently writing something on the Caribbean � and that she�s only page 4, but you never know � And has her roof been fixed? Yes, big smile of relief on her face, then she brings up Bridget�s troubles with Gary and the hole in the wall. So I ask, Gary will be in the movie? Maybe � No one wants to commit until they�ve seen the script. But shooting may begin this summer??? She did say jokingly that O�Rourke�s line of �dirty bitch� was inspired by Hugh Grant. Would she like CC to be made into a movie, and who would play Rosie and O�Rourke? It would be difficult as the story is set amidst famine, but if it was made into a movie, Russell Crowe. Will Bridget�s interview with Colin Firth be in the movie? She�d like it to be in there � she said that CF should play himself in a beard and mustache??? About Daniel? She said that got in trouble for joking about having to make HG�s part bigger. Who will play Rebecca? Gwyneth Paltrow? Cate Blanchett? She didn�t really answer so much as say that she was envious/annoyed? with women who could toss back their long beautiful hair. Will she be attending the Academy Awards? No, but she has been invited to a party. She didn�t say, but it must be the Miramax party. Some of the questions were stuff we�ve already heard and read about. Like what was your reaction to the casting of RZ? Why did RZ have to put on weight, cause Bridget wasn�t fat? HF replied that she never said how tall Bridget was and that everyone thinks they�re fat anyway. If Cecilbee was at the Q&A, maybe you could add more information that I missed. And I wish I had made a list of questions to ask her and bought the book :(

Remembered a few more anecdotes related to BJD and EOR � She was asked if she got to appear in the movie? No, but did you think she was the tall thin one? Who�s going to direct? No one mentioned yet. Will she be participating in this one? Only if shooting will involve the trip to Thailand.

Hurrah MArianne! Good sleuthing! Asked all the good questions too! Were you the one to ask about the roof? LOL...

Excellent questions, Marianne. You really tried to nail her down. She seems to give real answers when the questioner knows her stuff, as you sure do. (We train well here!) The other, neophyte types get blown off with her usual soundbites. she said that CF should play himself in a beard and mustache??? Haven't we been saying that for ages? ;-D

Marianne, you asked great questions. One of our top "CNN" reporters, really :-)! (Marianne)I asked her was the script finished? No, Andrew Davies was still writing it. He�s wonderful at adaptations, and that he�s very good about writing for Mark Darcy. She�s good at Bridget and Richard Curtis is good at romantic comedy. Interesting answer as to how each writer has a subject that he's best at. But there doesn't seem to be an expert writer for Daniel/Hugh! Maybe his part is not bigger after all or he can just get the leftover lines ;-). Well done, Marianne!

Thanks, Marianne. *clapclap* Capital! Capital! (Karen) She seems to give real answers when the questioner knows her stuff, as you sure do. (We train well here!) The other, neophyte types get blown off with her usual soundbites. Good point, v. true. We've taken the advanced course. ;-) IMO it's great that HF supplies new info when asked the right questions, even if it's a little vague. For example, it's good to know the script isn't finished at this point. It helps put newsie bits (such as that movies.com 'leak') in perspective. (Lora) But there doesn't seem to be an expert writer for Daniel/Hugh! Maybe his part is not bigger after all or he can just get the leftover lines ;-). Note HF's comment regarding that issue: (Marianne) She said that [they?] got in trouble for joking about having to make HG�s part bigger. Aha! Ahahaha!

Thanks for all the praise, but I can't take all the credit for getting all the answers. There was one other lady there (Cecilbee???) who got the ball rolling by asking about HG's role, he is only in about 2 or 3 scenes, and some other good questions. HF's reply was that joke about making his part/piece bigger ... she just laughed and laughed, full of innuendo there.

(Eileen)Note HF's comment regarding that issue: (Marianne) She said that [they?] got in trouble for joking about having to make HG�s part bigger. Aha! Ahahaha! (Marianne)HF's reply was that joke about making his part/piece bigger ... she just laughed and laughed, full of innuendo there. Innuendo, exactly. Was it really a joke? Or is it now another comment to throw us off the path again? They seem to like to keep the well-trained ones guessing ;-). I just don't think HG will take a small part in this sequel. It will be an equal one or none at all. Remember how he said he counted the lines last time? (he said it with a winkie or did he? ;-))

(Lora) But there doesn't seem to be an expert writer for Daniel/Hugh! I think it's safe to say that Richard Curtis takes care of Hugh. Coincidentally, this is on Empire's site today: As if Tony Blair didn�t have enough problems, now he's got a new Hugh Grant film to worry about. Grant will take the part of the Prime Minister in a new comedy penned by � surprise! - Richard Curtis. According to Grant, who said shooting would begin this autumn, Curtis will also direct the still-unnamed project. Grant, who is in New York filming his next rom-com with Sandra Bullock, spilled the beans during a taping session for US TV series Inside the Actors� Studio. 'To my horror,' he deadpanned, '[the script] was really good, which means I�ll have to do it.' Presuming that what he said during the show, which is only screened in the US, wouldn't get back to Blightly, Grant was fairly harsh on his homeland when the show's host asked why English humour was so 'sublime'. 'You�ve got to have something to be funny against...the average English person is in an agony of embarrassment 24 hours a day. It's the awfulness of being English.' The session ended with a personality-based round of questions during which Grant revealed that he hopes God is a luvvie. Asked if he did eventually make it to the Pearly Gates, what he would want to hear from the Supreme Being, Grant replied; 'Fabulous, darling!'

just something that was on newspaper today... (my translation, see the book cover here: DISCOVERY: BRIDGET JONES`S LEGS Did you think that those legs on the cover of Bridget Jones`s Diary belong to some professional model or RZ who plays Bridget in the movie? Wrong! The legs on the cover of Finnish version belong to Leena Fyrqvist, 26 year-old day nursery assistant. About 4 years ago she had a summer job at her aunt`s shop. One day, someone from the opposite photo shop came and asked her to borrow her legs. BJ wasn`t yet a world famous singelton, but Leena agreed right away. "I laughed with my friends that they wanted my legs! I never have had thin legs!" A couple of years ago Leena`s legs were borrowed again, to the cover of the sequel. You could think that her legs have become famous. But no: "Nobody has recognized them yet!"

so the link wasn`t working :( http://www.booknet.fi/kirjat1998/luokat/03/03.0302.html

Well done, Marianne! This is the first time we get better answers from HF. Thank you! (Lora) But there doesn't seem to be an expert writer for Daniel/Hugh! (Karen), I think it's safe to say that Richard Curtis takes care of Hugh. So I ask, Gary will be in the movie? Maybe � Maybe HG will play Gary with a beard and a mustache. ;-) what he would want to hear from the Supreme Being, Grant replied; 'Fabulous, darling!' I guess he's not tired of that line. As if Tony Blair didn�t have enough problems, now he's got a new Hugh Grant film to worry about. Grant will take the part of the Prime Minister in a new comedy penned by � surprise! - Richard Curtis. Wasn't this role talked about in the press for Colin? Maybe this was something Colin was waiting for, thinking, I've worked with RC, we are on good terms, etc. etc. Now Hugh gets the part. (picture Big Sucker here)

What a lot of information. Good memory. Thanks Marianne! How much fun that must have been to be part of the evening. And, I concur, your questions were well thought out and got excellent responses.

Bridget made the front cover of Romantic Times this month!! almost fell over in shock when i saw it (had insane, mind-numbing hope that HF had slipped a 3rd BJ to the publisher w/o us knowing about it, before sanity returned) -normally RT only puts new releases on the front, but there was BJD headlining for a feature on "Chick Lit" a new genre of woman's literature. Article sighted HF as leading the 'new' craze, list other authors who have similar styles. Only one i personally think comes close to being as enjoyable as HF is Jenny Colgan (Amanda's Wedding/Talking with Addison) -But there is a list of 'like reads' listed, for any one who's interested.

(Moon) Wasn't this role talked about in the press for Colin? Not the same production. The other one was to be developed by the BBC as more of an "inside politics" type thing. Can't seem to find the article in my Rumor/No-Go file...

Great questions, Marianne and co-questioner. Fantastic work to catch HF on the hop before she's got her soundbites down pat, as Karen remarks. Wonder how many times we'll hear the "beard and moustache" line from here on in? I'm still wondering whether HG will make the film at all. Taking Mari's smart read on the previous story as pure HG publicity (begging for a role), maybe they're following the book and leaving him out. In which case I'd still love to see Liz Hurley given a shot at Rebecca (just for the in-joke, not the acting talent).

(Mark) In which case I'd still love to see Liz Hurley given a shot at Rebecca (just for the in-joke, not the acting talent). Actually, I think she would be v.g. in the role. She looks the part and can do the right attitude. I saw her in that devil role (hey, it was on TV!) and she's could be a formidable Rebecca, one that could make RZ's Bridget easily feel inadequate.

she could be a formidable Rebecca, one that could make RZ's Bridget easily feel inadequate. Especially if she wears those tight Versace dresses she's so very fond of.

um, but one thing you guys are neglecting??? She's preggers!!!! :)

(Laura) She's preggers! EoR won't shoot for months and months. Surely she'll have the baby by then...unless she's expecting an elephant. :-P

(Eileen) EoR won't shoot for months and months. Surely she'll have the baby by then...unless she's expecting an elephant. :-P Just looked her up on Internet Movie Database and the baby's due 02 April, so there's plenty of time.

Yeah, but one who has had a baby, doesn't necessarily mean that kid is coming on 02 April....:)

unless she's expecting an elephant. :-P Judging by the looks of Bing-Laden, she's delivering a Baby Huey. ;-) Sorry, but that guy is a pig. I feel bad for Liz, but she's really shown some grace and guts throughout this, IMO. Would love to see her as Rebecca. Mark, nice to hear from you!:-)

Are there any pix of a pregnant Liz??? I haven't seen any.

(Mari), I feel bad for Liz, Please! If anyone could turn the phrase dumb blond into dumb brunette, she's the one.

Ah, Moon, you know what a softie I am. ;-) Nice article in today's New York Post: WHY ZELLWEGER DESERVES THE OSCAR By JONATHAN FOREMAN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 22, 2002 -- IT'S infuriating but true: Ren�e Zellweger has almost no chance of winning the Oscar for Best Actress. In fact, she was lucky to have been nominated at all for "Bridget Jones's Diary," given the Motion Picture Academy's strange allergy to comedic performances. Still, if there were any justice in these things, the plucky young Texan will be taking home a statuette on Sunday night. Because with the possible exception of Judi Dench's turn as Iris, Zellweger's performance as the bouncy, awkwardly endearing British "singleton" was simply a far more impressive achievement than any of the others nominated. It's not than any of them were bad - though Nicole Kidman does very little actual acting in "Moulin Rouge." It's just that in an age when the standard of Hollywood acting is so much higher than the standard of Hollywood writing, you expect competent professional performances in roles that don't require tremendous skill or effort. In "In the Bedroom," Sissy Spacek, who continues to be the favorite (though Halle Berry is surging), was fine in what was really a supporting role. All she had to do was look like she was bottling up her rage at the loss of her son and at one point shout at Tom Wilkinson. There wasn't much else to her character. Berry's role in "Monsters' Ball" was more demanding and certainly showier: This preternaturally gorgeous actress was required to weep, shout, sulk and writhe around half-naked with Billy Bob Thornton. But - and it wasn't her fault that the screenplay was so clunky and clich�-ridden - there was no subtlety or nuance in the role. She carried out what was required of her with the competence you would expect from the star of TV's "Introducing Dorothy Dandridge" but no more. Zellweger was more than competent as "Bridget." She was terrific. It wasn't just that she took the risk incredibly rare among Hollywood actresses of allowing herself to appear much less conventionally attractive than in real life by packing on the pounds. Nor was it just that she caught a specific foreign accent more precisely than any technician since Meryl Streep in "Sophie's Choice" (as someone educated in the U.K., I can attest to its perfection.) She did all these things and, at the same time, transformed a comic persona - one miles away from any character she'd attempted before - into a real, believable, wholly winsome person. Comedy is really, really difficult to do well, as anyone can tell from the vast numbers of failed comic exercises that come out of Hollywood. And it's absurd and unfair that those who pull it off, like Ren�e Zellweger, should so often come second to actors playing heart-tugging, afflicted characters.

Comedy is really, really difficult to do well, as anyone can tell from the vast numbers of failed comic exercises that come out of Hollywood. And it's absurd and unfair that those who pull it off, like Ren�e Zellweger, should so often come second to actors playing heart-tugging, afflicted characters. Words of wisdom. Thanks, Mari!

Very good article, Mari, thanks for sharing it. The writer is so right. Those are my sentiments exactly. Wish the voters appreciated and understood what she accomplished. I think they will vote for the spectacular display of Nicole and MR instead. Hollywood seems to be more impressed with that, and lets face it many of them are voters :-(.

If that journo wanted to have any impact, this article should've been printed WEEKS ago!! Then, it could've been used by Miramorons to spearhead some kind of publicity campaign. There are so many accurate statements about the other actors' performances that it might have served to instill a little guilt in Academy voters minds about their propensity to go for the showier, dramatic performances. To wit: Nicole Kidman does very little actual acting in "Moulin Rouge True. Berry's role in "Monsters' Ball" was more demanding and certainly showier...But...there was no subtlety or nuance in the role. Precisely.

Ditto, ditto, thanks for sharing, Mari. RZ's nom doesn't even get mentioned in many of the Oscar run-up speculation shows. :-/ That aside, I find myself v.v. disgruntled about the Oscars. Am sure this cr*p goes on every year (though those in the know say the campaigning has reached an all time high) but...unless Congress passes an Oscar campaign reform bill along with the other campaign reform bill (quick! Get McCain on the phone) things will only get worse. I haven't seen many of the films so I won't be making any guesses myself. Regardless, I will be glued to the set on Sunday. Can't wait to see what Steve Cojo (whatever his name is) is wearing. Anyone else think he's getting to look more and more like Michael Jackson?

LOL, Eileen! Reforms are needed in so many places. I don't know who Steve Cojo is. ( Karen), To wit: Nicole Kidman does very little actual acting in "Moulin Rouge True. Berry's role in "Monsters' Ball" was more demanding and certainly showier...But...there was no subtlety or nuance in the role. Precisely. And what he says about Sissy is spot on. Don't be blinded by the melodrama of ITB.

I want to kiss Jonathan Foreman! Perfect! Wonder what the NK lovers are going to say when I post this at Gold Derby! ;-) ;-P

Am I the only one who thinks Renee has a chance? They're chumps if they rubber stamp the other awards.Surprise the audience.

I wish I could make myself believe Renee has a prayer - at least she'll have mine.

And we know who we'd vote for "best extra" ;-)

(Mark G.) I wish I could make myself believe Renee has a prayer - at least she'll have mine And mine as well. However with a family who worked Hollywood (my Dad was in PR and my mum was in film processing in Techincolour for many years) I can tell you the members of the Academy vote on pure sentiment and not on merit. I haven't watched the Oscars in many years but I intend to look out for the Best Actress award, and keep my fingers crossed for Renee. :-)

Let me tell you...no one thought Jennifer had a prayer for the Tony two years ago. If you see the tape, Cherry Jones was primping her hair getting ready to go on stage for her award....when Matthew Broderick called out Jenn's name I nearly fell off the chair. Karen and I (on the phone) whooped and hollered. The audience surprise was audible. There's always hope.

It's so ironic that comedy has always been spoken of by those in the business as the hardest to do and get right. How many quotes have I heard from actors and others about this? Yet, they seem to be reluctant to recognize a superb comedy performance at awards time. Still, RZ was nominated. That's something I suppose and while I haven't seem any of the other performances, hers was v. good! And, between the male and female actor/supporting actor catagories, the females are the ones that seem to have more surprises when the envelopes are opened. Keep fingers crossed. Toes too! :)

With all this talk of Renee deserving her Oscar (gets my vote) , thought I'd share with you all our very own BJD tour which took place last weekend, and believe me we prayed for you Renee every step of the way!! We went to Borough market and were lucky enough to encounter a film crew there, so gave us a feel of what it would have been like when the real thing was happening.......! That's the bit she wanders thro' dejected and sobbing in her bunny girl outfit (should there be anyone reading this who didn't know ;-) ) We also stood outside Bridget's flat and the antiques shop which doubles as the Greek Restaurant is right across the street. Among our group we were lucky enough to have someone with a talent for can ferreting out people who know ODB, and we were fortunate to meet a lovely lady who was part of the BJD crew. She said Colin was a lovely man, charming etc and great to work with , as was Renee , who was delightful. It had been a great experience to work on the film , lots of fun etc, she couldn't praise ODB enough. It was generous of her to spare so much time to talk to us as she was working with a film crew and took time out for us.

From there we passed the spot where MD walks , jacket over shoulder after the fight and then went to the "diary shop" and the street corner of the final scene. Our contact told us that filming outside had been very difficult, with limited time to do so and therefore a lot had been shot in the studio. It was a great way to spend a few hours in London. Thanks to our favourite BJD extra for directional assistance and to that blonde bombshell for making it happen ;-) Way to go Renee!

LOL.For anyone going to London...it's a fun tour. Thanks Lizza . BTW we toasted "absent friends".

HF is having another discussion/book signing for her book tomorrow. Are there any questions you might have for her?

Where is the signing going to be held?

oops sorry, Barnes & Noble in Encino, CA, 7:30 pm

Marianne, you are an expert and know exactly what we want to know, the thing is to trick her into committing to an answer. ;-) Looking forward to your report.

OK, Marianne, ask Helen if she'd like to test out her new book on a group of very intelligent readers? Focus group type stuff.

(Karen) ask Helen if she'd like to test out her new book on a group of very intelligent readers? Focus group type stuff LoL - excellent idea Karen!! i'll volunteer :-)

Sorry for the delay ... I eavesdropped on a conversation before HF arrived, and it went like this: BJD, the movie is nothing like the book, the book is about Bridget and HG. [Ugh!] I wish I had something new to report � but it was the same excerpts and quips as before. There was lots of laughter, sometimes drowning out HF, except when she read the part about western women being thin and dressing like refugees. [Was I the only one who wanted to giggle? You had to be there.] This time I took notes � cause I couldn�t think of anything to ask. � BJD was inspired by Jane Austen�s �Pride & Prejudice.� The program was very popular in England. HF asked the audience if they�ve seen it? Very few have [I guess A&E is not available in Encino]. � How did she get started? She was always writing. She worked at a newspaper, and wrote an article about the Squidgeygate scandal [Princess Diana�s affair w/ James Gilbey]. She quit when her copy was changed. She met JG a few weeks later at a party, was about to apologize, when he said that he liked the story � �a bloody good article!� � Did she have a choice in the CF/HG/RZ? She insisted on CF, but stood back on the casting of Bridget. � Is RZ how she pictured Bridget? Her Bridget looks like the cover of the British book, and she finally met her the premiere. � Her next book will be like CC � broader canvas. It�s coming along, but another story may crop up. She spent 5 hours on it today. It�s set in L.A., about Hollywood. She went to a Hollywood party a few days ago, hosted by Brian??? She politely asked the person next to her how he knew Brian. His nervous reply was, WHY do you want to know? � WHO are you? [It was terribly funny.] All she could think was ka-ching. � Does she have any rituals? She does a lot of rewriting, making up, taking notes and writing dialogue. � What was the reception of BJD? Big in the UK, but was warned not to try the US. It turned out well. She also spoke about a complaint about BJD not being a good role model, her reply was that her first book was about famine relief and nobody read it. � Will the CF interview be in the movie? Don�t know, but he should play it with beard and mustache. Although he does have �an attractive younger brother.� � Bridget�s mum is like her mum in some ways. She spoke about her mum and her question [to the accountant/taxman?] �Do you know to make a brioche? � [My favorite] Who is your MD and does he mind your writing about him? MD has always been CF. She said that she knows him well � socially. When she sees him with his wife, she wants to say, [hope I quote this correctly and the way she said it � conceding but not gracefully] �Ok, you can have him.� � When does she know she�s done? When it�s on sale � explained that she knows she can always rewrite stuff and push deadlines back. � BJD was primarily cut and paste. She laid out her columns and matched it up with the P&P plot. � Any favorite characters? She doesn�t really think they�re funny as she�s doing them. � What does she think of the movie? Relieved. She came and went during the script process. She did the first draft, then Andrew Davies � who did P&P [no reaction], then Richard Curtis � who did FW&AF [lots of ahhs]. � What did she think of RZ? Fantastic. They were furious in the UK, but since then, no complaints. � She was an English major at Oxford, but she can�t spell or correct her punctuation. She always wanted to be a writer. She talked about being �Fires of Zanzibar� being rejected by Mills & Boon. But she�s been vindicated cause Mills & Boon is trying the BJD format now. � The book she was trying to write prior to BJD is about the Caribbean cultural divide, cash customers vs. poor hotel workers. � She didn�t attend the Oscars. But she did go to the Vanity Fair party. Her invitation said if she was going solo, to go at 11, if as a couple, then 12. She loved it. Celebrity watching is like being in a safari. I did actually ask something at the very end � why wasn�t she on the dvd commentary? It was only Sharon Maguire. She said she did record something for the dvd. [I�m turning red and am confused.] Then she said if must have been the day she had an awful haircut, and that�s all she could concentrate on. [Still confused.] Of course, she�s only the writer, not really important. I purchased CC so she could autograph it and I could ask 2 other questions. She kept munching on M&M�s as she signed books and dvd�s. How about Elizabeth Hurley for Rebecca? She made polite noises as if considering it, then said she can toss her hair. Then I made the big mistake of saying that EH would have been perfect for Lara/Suki. She looked at me. I told her Lisa Barbuscia played her in the movie. HF: that was Natasha. Me: umm, no that was Embeth Davidtz. [Really quiet all around, and the sales assistant was giving me a really strange look]. I decided to end it there, thanked her for the signed book and made a hasty exit.

No flies on you, Marianne. I suppose one tall, thin woman with baby giraffe legs looks like another. Per all the entertainment shows, the Vanity Fair party is the hardest one to get invited to. Interesting about arrival times. Wonder why? Are all singles supposed to pair up in the first hour so they don't hit on the group with dates and/or spouses or both? ;-D HF asked the audience if they�ve seen it? Very few have [I guess A&E is not available in Encino]. LOL! Am amazed the same people actually made it to a bookstore. Was this at a mall? ;-D Don't think Livia has anything to worry about... *snort* You done good.

Great report, Marianne--thanks! I have one question: the movie is nothing like the book, the book is about Bridget and HG. Was she talking about the first movie or the sequel? I thought Daniel Cleaver was barely in the 2nd book. Did she mean--gasp--that the 2nd movie is all about Cleaver? *Shudder* HF: that was Natasha. Me: umm, no that was Embeth Davidtz. [Really quiet all around, and the sales assistant was giving me a really strange look]. I decided to end it there, thanked her for the signed book and made a hasty exit. LOL! Ya gotta know when to hold, and know when to fold.;-) Well done, M, and great anecdotes!:-)

Thanks, Marianne!

Mari: Was she talking about the first movie or the sequel? the first movie

Marianne, thanks for the great report on meeting HF again. So sorry I didn't read about it until this weekend or I would have gone with you. I can't believe that HF came all the way to my neck of the woods and I missed seeing her. (Marianne) The program was very popular in England. HF asked the audience if they�ve seen it? Very few have [I guess A&E is not available in Encino] LOL! Well, it is the home of the Valley girls after all ;-).

Again, meaningless stuff, considering its source...but from an interview with the Huge Gnat promoting AAB: At the Polish Club, we order beers with Bison Vodka chasers. I ask if he is going to do the sequel to Bridget Jones's Diary, as rumoured. He says only if he would be letting everyone else down by not doing it. 'I certainly don't want to do it, to be absolutely honest; it's like getting back into wet swimming trunks. And I'm not sure Ren�e is ever going to pile on those pounds again.' http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,6737,676459,00.html

"Even if I don't really fancy the actress, I always get a stirring" ROTF. Thanks Karen..hilarious interview. He's a clever guy, found his niche as an actor and ran with it.

I do frequently fancy the girls I'm working with, particularly if I have to snog them. There's something so fabulous about two strangers being made to kiss. I think being on set is a very sexy atmosphere. Extremely sexy. Even if I don't really fancy the actress, I always get a stirring.' LOL! Somehow, I don't see the chemistry between him and Sandra Bullock. I wonder if that happens to other actors. (Maybe that's why our married DB had become such a prude. ;-) Thanks for posting that, Karen. It's 4pm by me and I have been celebrating my wedding anniversary (one champagne bottle down) :-) Well, we had a flourless chocolate cake with the kids at snack time and you know how well champagne and chocolate mix. ;-)

'I certainly don't want to do it, to be absolutely honest; it's like getting back into wet swimming trunks. I can understand that. It's not *the* starring role and why repeat yourself? Unless there's nothing better on offer. ;-) Reading this article reminds me that I saw Jamie Grant, Huge's bro, at our office last week. He has, as my mother used to say, A Big Job, with a New York investment banking firm whose name I won't reveal other than to say it begins with the letters Goldman-Sachs. ;-) He's much darker than Huge, very nice looking, and apparently very well-regarded in that biz.

I would bet none of them want to do EOR; despite the fact that CF has said he "loves Bridget" and would do it depending on the script.Sequels are seldom as dynamic as the original. Renee seems to be branching out into more dramatic roles and Hugh always has a slew of offerings.

Very true about sequels, although there are a few exceptions where the sequel was better than the original (Godfather and Babe) or at least as good. I noticed you didn't say what CF has been up to. ;-D

(Karen) I noticed you didn't say what CF has been up to. ;-D *snort* Don't ask me. Ask Fortunato ;-))

ROTF! It is bad news for CF if there is no TEOR. The other two will not be affected.

Neither RZ and HG "need" TEOR....I'm hoping that TIOBE and "Hope Springs" will boost CF so he doesn't "need" it either.....but I still hope they'll do it. It will be interesting to see how "About a boy" fares. Promotion has already started in the UK, and it's very much a HG vehicle, without the advantage of a major leading lady. I don't think UK audiences will be queueing up. To be honest, the main theme (rich 40-ish immature playboy type hangs out with 12 year old boy) has never really struck me as particularly "real". If AOB isn't wildly successful, HG may be less sniffy about TEOR ( and don't forget he was the only cast member to be honoured with a share of the profits for BJD...a very nice little earner, thank you!!). Yes, I agree that HG and RZ are forging ahead regardless...and what has Mr Firth on offer, I wonder?! Hardly any films are being made in the UK at the moment, so if he's missed (or turned down) the Hollywood boat, theatre seems to be the most obvious (only?) option. Cate Blanchett is reported to be playing Sylvia Plath in the BBC film. Keeping my fingers crossed that they go for a bone fide Yorkshireman fot Ted Hughes (Firth is a West Yorkshire name). Also, just to cheer you up (!) a French site has Maid of Buttermere ("avec Colin Firth") scheduled for release in France in 2005!!

(Bethan) Hardly any films are being made in the UK at the moment Why is that? just to cheer you up (!) a French site has Maid of Buttermere ("avec Colin Firth") scheduled for release in France in 2005!! Oh, not that old warhorse...;-) Funny that it's 'scheduled for release' when the darn thing seems to be having so much difficulty getting made.

(Bethan)just to cheer you up (!) a French site has Maid of Buttermere ("avec Colin Firth") scheduled for release in France in 2005! Not exactly the bounce we were especting after BJD. Anybody check the Italian websites;-)

LOL!

I just found this from Sky News, and I don't think it's been posted: "Hugh Grant plans to quit acting - because the pressure of performing is "torture". Grant told the Daily Express he hopes to retire in 2004 - the 10th anniversary of Four Weddings and a Funeral, which propelled him to stardom. " I think 10 years would be a good time to finish, and it's eight now, so I'd only have to make one or two more films," he said. The 41-year-old star said he is overcome with fear whenever he steps in front of a camera. 'It's torture' "For me it's physiological. The pressure's so great. It's torture. It's been like that for years and it's getting worse." Grant said when he gives up his acting career he intends to: "have a relationship, have some children, write my book, make my own film, stop faffing around." I hope it was just an April's Fool Joke

If this were true (and not something taken completely out of context), it would be bad...because???? ;-D

Huge has been "threatening" that for as long as I can remember. Take with a large grain of salt. Cate Blanchett is reported to be playing Sylvia Plath in the BBC film. So, Gwynnie is out of the picture? Well, Cate would be a good choice, too, but she seems to have a rather full dance card these days. ("avec Colin Firth") scheduled for release in France in 2005!! At this rate, it will be Grandmaman of Buttermere. ;-)

If this were true (and not something taken completely out of context), it would be bad...because???? ;-D Hehee. For some of us though, there was Hugh before there was Colin ;)

(Megan)For some of us though, there was Hugh before there was Colin ;) But I thought they were born in the same month of the same year ;-O just have to say it out loud

"About a boy" will be released in the UK in a couple of weeks. Great timing! "Hugh to quit" "'I've had enough' says tortured Hugh" "'Why I want a baby' by Hugh Grant"....the tabloids will love it!

"Hugh to quit" "'I've had enough' says tortured Hugh" "'Why I want a baby' by Hugh Grant"....the tabloids will love it! Hehee. Problably they'll be so estatic about the wanting a family bit, that immediatly the press will pair Liz and Hugh back together.

I just came back from visiting www.tiffany.com. Am I the last person on the planet to realize that Bridget's necklace can be ordered so easily? It's called the Elsa Perreti Open Heart Pendant and costs $110. I think Bridget's was the 1" medium on a 18" chain in sterling silver. It's even cooler when I think that CF (in the character of Charles Gould) mentions Tiffany silver.

(Caribou) I just came back from visiting www.tiffany.com. Am I the last person on the planet to realize that Bridget's necklace can be ordered so easily? It's called the Elsa Perreti Open Heart Pendant and costs $110. I think Bridget's was the 1" medium on a 18" chain in sterling silver. From experience, I know it's not the Elsa Perreti Open Heart 1". I ordered the Medium (7/8 of an inch) for my birthday (sweet 16 today, yay!) thinking it was the one Bridget had. When I recived it last week though, the heart was much MUCH larger than her's. I've sent it back for the small, which should be the size Bridget has. Also, if any one has seen The American Embassy on Fox Monday nights, it looks like the main character also has the 'Bridget' necklace, if I'm not mistaken.

Sterling silver for $110?? Yikes! Here's what you're paying for: T-i-f-f-a-n-y. Hmmm. Must rifle through my jewelery box. This type of necklace was quite popular in the '70s or '80s.

Your right, Eileen. That heart necklace has been around for decades. I was surprised to see it on Bridget as films usually promote new trinkets. Happy Birthday Megan!

(Eileen) This type of necklace was quite popular in the '70s or '80s. It's possible that this is the necklace that started that trend and it has either never left the Tiffany offerings or was discontinued and recently brought back. Tiffany also features designs by Picasso's daughter and Louis Comfort Tiffany (widely known for the lamps) both of which seem to be from years ago. Megan, let me know what you think of the small. I saw one and it looked very small and the large is very large.

(Moon) I was surprised to see it on Bridget as films usually promote new trinkets. Think it was meant to be symbolic (dangling heart, get it?). Bet they didn't lay down 110 clams...;-)

(Caribou) Megan, let me know what you think of the small. I saw one and it looked very small and the large is very large. My friend has the small one, and I agree that it looks smaller than Bridget's, which is why I went for the medium, but there's no doubt in my mind that the medium is too large. (Eileen)Think it was meant to be symbolic (dangling heart, get it?). Bet they didn't lay down 110 clams...;-) At the InStyle website they said they chose the heart because it looked like something she would have gotten for her 21st birthday, and was symbolic of Bridget's romantic fantasies.

(Eileen) Think it was meant to be symbolic (dangling heart, get it?). The necklace's name is the Open Heart Pendant - which would fit Bridget: single, looking for love with a open heart. I love touches like that in movies. The only other heart I've seen in BJD is the red, heart-shaped pillow on her couch. I love that - wish they had done more. Thanks, Megan.

There was a post today at Dregston on the Pant Board referring to a quote by RZ at the Oscars about the BDJ sequel and how excited she was to be working with a certain co-star, the implcation being CF. I went to the link and scanned the column and, of course found nothing. Here it is for anyone who can find it! http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/index.html?fdnavgos

I didn't see anything on the page you gave, but I did find this bit about Renee talking about the sequel in last weeks's The Awful Truth: "Ren�e Zellweger, looking very grown up (and very un-Bridget Jones in her too-together Carolina Herrera strapless satin), announced: "You guys are crazy!" I think the purty Texan had finally had enough of the on-the-record roundup, which included, interestingly enough, eager proclamations to do the Jones sequel, something she had not been as hyped about last time we chatted, thanks to cold 'n' dreary London weather." Could that possibly be it?

Shoot. Forget the end tag.

I wouldn't believe *anything* in a Ted Casablanca column, and now they've got him in person on E! News Daily.

In Marilyn Beck's column today: April 11, 2002 Dear Marilyn: Are there any plans to do the sequel to Bridget Jones's Diary, Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason? If so, will it be the same cast? Krista, Lexington, New York Dear Krista: Working Title Films, the company that produced Bridget Jones's Diary, does have the rights to Helen Fielding's follow-up, Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason. And there has been talk that they plan to make a big-screen production of the latter novel. However, that is still a long way off, and none of the original cast members--Ren�e Zellweger, Hugh Grant, Colin Firth--have been signed. Fielding, who created the role of Bridget's uptight lover, Mark Darcy, specifically for Firth, has made it clear she'd love him to return for the sequel.

I'd say her answer covered all the relevant points, Mari, except perhaps that they have at least one draft of a script, possibly more by this time. ******** Something to put into your "Visit England" files: A new website has been launched offering film fans the chance to visit movie locations by rail. The site features more than 100 classic movie locations, and encourages travellers to use the railways to visit them. The locations includes settings from Goldeneye, Gladiator, Brief Encounter, Harry Potter and Bridget Jones's Diary. www.reeltorail.co.uk has been launched by the Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC). It was launched by Pierce Brosnan's stunt double, Douglas James. A spokesman said: "Reel to Rail offers you the chance to retrace the steps of your favourite film stars. "Using the UK's extensive rail network gives you access to Britain's top film locations. With on-line ticketing and travel advice available anytime, you can put your feet up and look forward to a fuss-free ride." The website features Film Finder and Travel Planner services to allow film fans to track down the locations where their favourite scenes were shot, and plan their rail journeys accordingly. The locations featured on the website include the Nene Valley railway, the setting for the famous train-top chase in Goldeneye. They also include Alnwick Castle, which was transformed into Hogwart's School of Witchcraft and Wizardry in Harry Potter And The Philosopher's Stone, and Snowshill in Gloucestershire, which was used in Bridget Jones' Diary.

Thank you Karen. BJD can be done by tube...cheaper. Rail travel in UK is expensive. I've emailed them and asked them to include the locations for Pride and Prejudice. Lyme Park (Pemberley) is a stinker to get to.

BJD video is being released in Australia with extra footage, does anyone know what this footage is? If it's HG then I will stay with ex rental copy.

I don't know if the footage is the same but I own the USA BJD DVD with additional scenes and it's ALL HG. No CF anywhere! I hope the Australian version is better.

There is a list of the deleted scenes on the US DVD way back when on this topic (September?? when the DVD came out). You can find it by backing up with the redisplay box below (putting in -100 etc)

From the BBC: Friday, 19 April, 2002, 07:25 GMT 08:25 UK Grant not keen on 'Bridget' sequel Grant doubts he will team up with 'Bridget' co-stars Hugh Grant has said he doubts there will ever be a sequel to hit UK movie Bridget Jones's Diary. The actor was speaking at a press conference of his latest film About A Boy, where he stars as an irresponsible adult who befriends a young boy. Bridget Jones was a huge worldwide hit, taking more than �40m in the UK alone and earned leading lady Ren�e Zellweger an Oscar nomination. Bridget Jones author Helen Fielding's follow-up novel, Edge of Reason, has already been the subject of sequel rumours. But Grant, who starred as the devious Daniel Cleaver in the movie, said he "would not put money" on a sequel being made. He said: "The people who are keen to make the sequel are Working Title (Bridget Jones's producers) because they see dollar signs flashing in front of them. "I'm a little bit equivocal to tell you the whole truth. I don't feel particularly keen. "I don't want to let everyone else down if they want to do it. Having said that I don't think Ren�e is that keen to be fat again." In his new film, About A Boy, Grant teams up with directing brothers Chris and Paul Weitz, the duo behind the hit comedy American Pie. Rachel Weisz, Toni Collette and Victoria Smurfit co-star in the movie which is based on Nick Hornby's best-selling novel. The film is released in the UK on 26 April and in the US on 17 May. But Grant is not happy with the movie's trailer on TV across the Atlantic. He is to tell BBC Radio 4's Back Row programme on Saturday that the movie's producers are trying to push a romantic element in the movie, instead of the main storyline about his relationship with the boy. "They're trying to make it like Notting Hill. I don't know if they are right. I think in marketing terms they are trying to sell the film down the river slightly. "They make it look like every other American movie, instead of allowing it to be a bit different." Grant said he was shocked by the attitude of some UK screenwriters who make the transition from TV to the big screen. He told the radio programme: "There are some who know what they are doing, but there are others who have an extraordinary kind of arrogance. They come out of television and they think they can do this. "It is a craft and needs to be learnt and learnt the hard way." The Four Weddings and a Funeral star was also scathing about the handout of National Lottery money to UK film production. "If you fund more productions, you don't get more good films, you get more bad ones. "I would have invested all that money into the film industry, the right kind of film school or screen writing academy. "People who actually learn to write for the big screen and not just television. It's not the same thing at all." The interview with Hugh Grant is on Back Row, BBC Radio 4 on Saturday at 1730 BST

C'mon Hughie..."we" need the money.

The Grunt is not keen on the sequel because his character is hardly in it!

I think in marketing terms they are trying to sell the film down the river slightly. "They make it look like every other American movie, instead of allowing it to be a bit different." HG has learned a thing or two. C'mon Hughie..."we" need the money. Don't worry, Evelyn, he has his friends looking out for him. ;-)

Thanks, Mari, for posting the Gnat's comments. I'm sure they will stir things up as they get republished everywhere. While I don't take anything he says seriously as a rule (the man has more canned quips than...), he has made some very critical comments about how AAB is being promoted in the US which are, unfortunately, true. Those marketing types are notorious for putting together misleading trailers, TV spots and ad campaigns. Whether he deigns to appear in the sequel will likely have more to do with the role (size and significance) than anything else. I find it interesting that he's commenting on RZ, but I'd put that in the "trained by the SAS" category.

Obviousy the gnat is down playing the sequel because he identified so well with Daniel Cleaver, and he would rather be remembered as the guy that got the girl. This is just more dirty politics. I've read AAB, and I thought what a pathetic twerp the character was. Mind you I had in mind how ODB would play it, and I could not see a career advancement there. So was glad to hear the gnat took it Has the final kitchen scene in the sequel been discussed before? That's what I'm hanging out for. (or does this belong to droolfic :])

(Anna), I've read AAB, and I thought what a pathetic twerp the character was. Mind you I had in mind how ODB would play it, and I could not see a career advancement there. So was glad to hear the gnat took it ROTFLOL!

I wonder about HG not being 'keen' to be DC again when he seemed so happy to be the bad guy when BJD was released. Maybe he just wants his role expanded in the sequel? We've heard that they're working on a script so I'm still optimistic about seeing EoR. As for AAB, it has received very little press coverage here. I have never seen the trailer on TV. And when Hughie shows up to publicize it, all the press wants to do is talk about LizH. I saw him at the new Sandra Bullock premiere on TV and I think he's about ready to slug someone. Meanwhile, the Earnest trailer is getting lots of showings on my TV!

I will go back to lurkdom after this but what do I (we?) want to see in EoR? Yes Mr Darcy in the kitchen sans PJs. Will that happen? Subject to seeing Hope Springs (and this is the big but) how are the scenes handled ? ODB in latest bucket vogue pic looks slim but is he toned? Do we care? Just show us the dimples. Do we have a vote for dimples?

but what do I (we?) want to see in EoR? Yes Mr Darcy in the kitchen sans PJs. He wouldn't do it, IMO. Do we have a vote for dimples? It's a thumbs up. ;-)

(Bryonny) As for AAB, it has received very little press coverage here. It doesn't open in the US/Canada until May 17 (same day as TIOBE in NY/LA) but should be a fairly wide release. I am seeing commercials for it on TV already, plus it's in every magazine. (AnnaS) but what do I (we?) want to see in EoR? No need to go back to lurkdom, but just keep in mind there is no collective we in this place. Many of we have differing opinions and views. :-)

As to the EoR-You have my vote for dimples,Mr.Darcy in the kitchen sans PJs, and of course his fight with Bridget wearing only a towel.

That towel scene alone is what keeps me going. ;-D HF was pleased to acknowledge it when she signed that week's Telegraph column for me. But, if you've read New Cardiff, there's a towel scene in it too.

(Karen)I was not going to read New Cardiff until after I saw HS-however, now that I know there is a towel scene-I'll go out and buy it NOW! I think I read that part in the EoR a thousand times. Thanks, everyone, for the warm welcomes!!!It's great to finally be here.

Sounds like sour grapes from HG. And rather disloyal to Working Title who have provide him with all his success and a terrific publicity machine. To be honest, do we really, really need him in TEOR? (Especially if it's an Andrew Davies script with no tweaking by Richard Curtis) Why can't RZ and CF carry it, backed up, very ably by Jim broadbent and Gemma Jones, and also "the friends" who were rather wasted in BJD. Sally Phillips and James Callis are excellent comedy actors and could easily fill any void left by HG. But for some reason HG is regarded as having the Midas touch (although he's had several movies that have tanked) and he's a bona fide glam movie star! :-( Earlier this week, the Daily Mail carried an article on RZ and how thin she is now (I actually agree, she *is* too thin). The article stated that RZ would be starring opposite HG in TEOR. No mention of CF. I can't think of any other example where the real romantic lead is ignored! Who cared about Wickham? :-) It will be v. interesting to see how AOB fares at the Box office in the UK. I can't see a major rush, but Hughie's been getting non-stop publicity for the last couple of weeks so I could be wrong!

(bethan)I was disappointed when I read that a part was being created in EoR for HG. I don't have a problem with him, but I would have liked to see CF and RZ carry this off. The DC part in the book is so small, I am surprised that they are going to expand something that isn't there for the film-just to have HG around.

BTW HG was paid �7.5million for BJD. Or maybe it was dollars. Either way, he was way ahead of his co-stars. Plus a percentage of the profits. I'm not quite sure what he's complaining about!

(Bethan)(Especially if it's an Andrew Davies script with no tweaking by Richard Curtis) I have just seen the Trollope thing on TV scripted by Andrew Davies...He doesn't always have the midas touch either; more a hit 'n miss. I'll put my money on Richard Curtis; he has more hits. And HG has more starring hits than ODB ...but who wants to be objective. Hey...Drool is fantasy-land;-) I am surprised that they are going to expand something that isn't there for the film-just to have HG around. $$$$$$$$$

I was disappointed when I read that a part was being created in EoR for HG (linda) The problem with creating a large (presumably) part for HG, is that it will distort the story-line, and TEOR could end up being just a retread of BJD.

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The problem with creating a large (presumably) part for HG, is that it will distort the story-line, and TEOR could end up being just a retread of BJD I agree. Hopefully that won't happen. I loved BJD-book and film, but I think the EoR is excellent-I hope the script won't disappoint.

TEOR could end up being just a retread of BJD. Most sequels are. But I would like to see ODB get this. The $$ is bound to be good. And hey, I don't see anything better in the "Trans-Siberian pipeline".

TEOR has the best chance if they stick to the book. I saw an article about how hard it is to make room for a man after you have become a successful career woman with a life full of interests and friends. The movie can focus on that and be just as relevant as BJD was for addressing "Why are there so many unmarried women in their 30's?"

Wonder who that other guy is? No name is given. The second glimpse of I Saw You (Tuesday, ITV), though, was rather good, mainly because of Fay Ripley, who is probably the best romantic light comedienne on the box at the moment...and also because of a script that I found witheringly funny....Her co-star, Paul Rhys, isn�t quite so winning. Principally because he seems to be constantly doing an imitation of Hugh Grant whispering. Indeed, his character has Hugh Grant written all over him. Now I come to think of it, the whole thing�s not unlike Bridget Jones, and the other romantic-interest bloke bears more than a passing resemblance to Mr Darcy. I wonder if they did it on purpose? I wonder if they�ve noticed?

The "other guy" in I Saw You is played by Alexander Armstrong, and does not IMO "bear a passing resemblance to Mr Darcy", except inasmuch as he is rich and from a very posh background. In fact he's a lord. Neither does the series bear much resemblance to BJD - its heroine is a struggling mum in a dismal relationship with Paul Rhys's optician (who is not very much like HG). Fay Ripley meets her lord at a wedding where she was singing in the band, and gets relentlessly pursued by him, while Paul Rhys starts dating his dentist. No singletons, not much angsting from the heroine, no deliberate slimeball. The only thing I agree with the reviewer on is that Fay Ripley is quite good and makes the show worth watching. But then I've only seen one episode...

Thanks, Mark. Am looking around for pics of this guy but only one that's in profile. (Apparently was in The Birthday Girl too.) However, the series sounds interesting. Perhaps if it gets as popular as Cold Feet, we'll get it here. Huge's comments have been printed in the Sun and picked up by Ananova now. So we should expect to hear something from the folks at Working Title soon. ;-D

Huge's comments won't exactly please Working Title! Given that Daniel Cleaver barely features in TEOR, and that there's an established cast, I wonder if HG has the power to scuttle the whole project (ie it's not my party, so I'm not playing, and no-one else is either)?

HG also mentioned that he thought RZ would not want to do the TEoR because of the weight gain. I thought that was a little presumptive on his part. I read that she would consider the role if she didn't have to pack on as many pounds, but overall she was in favor of doing it. I'm furious that he probably read the same article, and decided to comment as though it's already been decided.

Huge is casting grave doubts on TEOR. :-( I heard the tail end of a radio interview with him yesterday (promoting AOB). Am paraphrasing. The interviewer asked him about a sequel to BJD, and Huge said that he didn't think it would happen. He said he was reluctant to reprise the role of Daniel Cleaver as there was nothing to be regained by re-visiting it - it was like putting back on a wet swimsuit. The interviewer (male) said that it was a pity because HG and RZ made a great couple and added that it wouldn't matter for Hugh because he must have lots more irons in the fire. Huge said "Yes, absolutely". Huge is getting rave reviews for AOB, and must be even more bankable now. Unfortunately it seems as though TEOR can't be made without him. Makes me fume though. If AOB was tailor-made for HG, them TEOR was tailor-made for CF. I would have thought that the reaction to BJD hould have given CF some credibility as a leading man!!

From deja.com From UPI Hollywood Digest By Pat Nason UPI Hollywood Reporter From the Life & Mind Desk Published 4/23/2002 4:09 PM THAT'S ONE WAY TO HANDLE IT Colin Firth -- who starred with Ren�e Zellweger and Hugh Grant in "Bridget Jones's Diary" -- is actually a character in novelist Helen Fielding's Bridget Jones sequel, "The Edge of Reason," prompting the question: Who will play Firth in the movie version? First things first, though. Firth isn't sure there will be an "Edge of Reason" movie. "I can't really answer that question informatively," he told United Press International. "I don't know. As far as I'm concerned it's all rumor." Firth said there had been talk of a movie, but it has quieted down. "I just think it's probably a very difficult thing to mount," he said, "three actors who have to be available at the same time and a script that would have to be good enough." But if there were a movie, who would play the character of Colin Firth? "He won't be there," said Firth. "He'll become George Clooney or something." Bridget becomes a journalist in "The Edge of Reason" and interviews Firth. Director Sharon Maguire -- who had been talked about as a possible director for the project -- reportedly said Firth would play himself, as well as reprise his role as Mark Darcy from "Bridget Jones's Diary."

The interviewer (male) said that it was a pity because HG and RZ made a great couple *snort* From the only person in England not to have seen the movie. ;-D Interesting item, Bethan. Must have been from the press junket. Colin's just doing a little dance, as nothing's been signed and sealed. Typical. But if there were a movie, who would play the character of Colin Firth? "He won't be there," said Firth. "He'll become George Clooney or something." Nonnegotiable contract point? ;-D Although I'd bet WT would love to do the in-joke, they are notorious for having surprise cameos, and Clooney would be a good one to do the interview.

I'm going to think positive and hope that TEoR will be a go. I don't quite understand the reasoning that it can't be made with out HG. The book was certainly a great read without his character. Has anyone given any thought to who might play Rebecca if this project gets off the ground? Would love to hear some ideas.

I'm thinking positive too...despite the negative vibes. As Karen says...nothing's signed and sealed yet. I seem to remember similar negative vibes about BJD...at one point it was all off, then there was the fuss about casting BJ, the script wasn't up to scratch, HG to play MD etc!

HG playing MD? I didn't hear that, and thank goodness it didn't happen that way.As far as HG, I just heard him say,two days ago, that he would like to do just one or two more films then write his book, have children, etc. Now he has several things in the fire? I think all of his negative talk about TEoR is due to the fact that he knows the book was all about BJ and MD, and even if they expand his part-it's not about HIM!

WT would love to do the in-joke, they are notorious for having surprise cameos, and Clooney would be a good one to do the interview. That might be Colin's way of hinting at whom he would like. I agree, Karen, it would work for me.BTW, who is WT? I think the script is in the making, we should relax. ;-)

Working Title. Remember how they had Alec Baldwin in NH? They like cameos (all the authors at the launch party).

(Bethan) I just think it's probably a very difficult thing to mount," he said Can't be harder than a greyhound, which we here at Spring have seen! :-) Thanks to everyone who has reported news--I am beginning to relax a little but am still anxious for 3 talk shows, a radio interview and more articles than I can read in a day.

Have just posted over at Odds and Ends (at last!! :-)) re bad reviews for AOB and Huge. May cause Huge to have a rethink on the BJD sequel, if he is genuinely having doubts. I'd be surprised if AOB performs as well as BJD (�40million in the UK takes some beating) and if it falls well short, then a reprise of Daniel Cleaver (for a huge sum of money) may seem an attractive option. Certainly Working Title would prefer an already successful formula.

Following Mari's wily assessment of one of the early sequel rumours at #743, I am convinced that every mention of this film is being organised by HG, specifically to suggest that he is essential to the winning BJD formula. My guess is that, true to the book, DC is largely/totally ignored in the first screenplay draft (which HG probably hasn't even received). Hence all he wants to do is shout his name, express his "reluctance" to appear again on the assumption that in itself that will make producers/writers(/public) think he's crucial. Of course in the process he's jeopardising all the chances for the sequel being made at all. He's done his research though - having read that Renee was reluctant to move to London and put on weight again, he is using a llittle bit of public info to justify his posturing. I admire the way he works (and even his work), but I do urge everyone to see how manipulative this is - IMHO. This includies the potential makers of EOR - you do not need the Gnat!

While I hadn't taken these comments to their logical conclusion, it had occurred to me that Andrew Davies' script would be fairly faithful to the book. He is an adapter of novels. He may add a bit of spice here and there, but he hasn't created his own storylines in the past.

Good point, Mark. EOR can very well be the two girls one guy script. But I'm afraid Colin is not seen as someone that could carry a whole movie, yet. We will have to see if the release of Hope Springs, (Karen firmly believes Colin is the main character ;-), and if that film gives him the push to get the green-light for EOR to be made without HG. EOR could be Renee, Colin and Julia R. With JR it would get made. Just putting these thoughts out in the Universe. ;-)

(Moon)But I'm afraid Colin is not seen as someone that could carry a whole movie, yet. Moon, I admire your courage for saying this on this board;-) Don't you think WT knows that? Hey, they aren't fools. UK has not been kind to any film that ODB has starred in so far. Remember four in a row have tanked. I agree with Mark, I admire HG's acting (not the persona) and his willingness to promote; moreover, in the US he and RZ *made* BJD. I think our British friends think that ODB is as popular in the US as on this board. Wrong-o. EOR needs a third actor ( A or strong B) to make it a go; male or female. Bridget and her friends : DOA. She's pretty savy, I don't think she would do it with just Colin.

Karen,can't we do an e-mail/letter/anything campaign to WT on this issue? I really think Mark's take on this is dead on concerning HG. HG also knows that Colin got excellent reviews from BJD. I think he may have been a little more than surprised by that-especially with the various nominations that Colin received.

Re Mark's comments about HG - I agree absolutely. We must remember that HG is a seriously bright man. He knows exactly what he is about. However I agree with all the other analyses, Colin could not carry a film stateside. It seems that you need starring names to make a film a go there. That is not always the case here but they are not going to make a film about the very British Bridget Jones unless you lot over there like it. (What is the emoticon for someone grinding their teeth while smiling sweetly?).

I love the way the showbiz publicity machine works. For a story that apparently carries a serious question mark of making it to the big screen - the press (general as well as trade) on both sides of the Pond do not seem to have any problem at all dedicating many many column inches to the story - peppered with direct quotes from apparently reluctant lead actors too! LOL.

(Moon) Karen firmly believes Colin is the main character ;-) She's not the only one. (Mark) I do urge everyone to see how manipulative this is - IMHO. This includies the potential makers of EOR - you do not need the Gnat! I agree, however, surely WT knows how the game is played--include the Gnat in a cameo role (i.e., pay him a princely sum for a day's work), then publicize him as the star to get bums in seats. Is done all the time. (Evelyn) UK has not been kind to any film that ODB has starred in so far. Remember four in a row have tanked. Yes, but in all fairness, said films ranged in quality from average (MLSF and RV--and he really wasn't the star of that one, it was JA's pic) to below average (SLOW) to celluloid toilet paper (L). C'mon.

No mention of sequel, but it appears Sharon has a full plate: "Bridget Jones's Diary" helmer Sharon Maguire has come aboard to develop and direct the English-language remake of the German film "Alles Bob!" ("Everything Bob!") for Ridley Scott and Tony Scott's Scott Free Prods. There is no start date for the project, although it is on the fast track. "Bob!" is a modern comedy that follows the adventures of Bob, a philanderer who is about to give up his bachelor life to marry a beautiful, wealthy and well-connected woman whom he doesn't truly love. When he meets and unexpectedly falls in love with an older woman with three children, he begins to realize that true love may be more important than money. Helkon released the Otto Alexander Jahrreiss directed film in Germany to rave reviews and tepid boxoffice during summer 1999. Intermedia acquired U.S. remake rights more than a year ago for Scott Free. (HR 2/15/01) Rob Perez wrote most recent draft of the English-language version for Scott Free, which has a second-look deal with Intermedia. Scott Free's first-look deal is with Bruckheimer Films. Giannina Facio, who brought the project to Scott Free, will produce the project with the company. Maguire is repped by ICM. She began her career as a writer and then became a documentary filmmaker. She segued into commercial directing before making her feature directorial debut on "Bridget." Maguire is currently developing the romantic comedy feature "Mail" for U.K. production company Archer Street and FilmFour.

Empire mentions the sequel.:-( From Bridget To Bob 29/04/2002 Although Hugh Grant may have poured cold water on the prospect of there being a Bridget Jones's Diary sequel (read our interview with him here), director Sharon Maguire seems quite happy to keep herself busy with all manner of new projects. This morning, she's been announced as the director of a new romantic comedy, which - the Hollywood Reporter adds - will be produced by Ridley and Tony Scott's production company Free Prods. Bob! is a remake of the successful German film Alles Bob, in which a philanderer's cunning plan to swap batchelorhood for a marriage with a rich woman he doesn't love, comes undone when he meets a single mum that he does. It's the latest in a number of projects that the English director has recently signed for, including an all-British teaming with Oscar-winning screenwriter Julian Fellowes for the film adaptation of the Anthony Trollope novel Eustace Diamonds.

Hmm, what with Sharon, Huge and Rene being so much in demand for new projects after the success of BJD, it's difficult to see TEOR taking off. :-( Unless these other projects are longer term. Will Andrew Davies' script be wasted? Come on, Colin, sign up for something, please! Even one project would suffice! Doesn't Trollope's "Eustace Diamonds" feature a handsome barrister (the heroine's brother)?

Am answering my own question! It does...the handsome barrister (also a member of Parliament) is effectively the hero of the novel. If Sharon is looking for someone to play a handsome lawyer in a period drama, surely someone will spring to mind! (But I still hope we'll get more of MD!)

Report in today's Daily Telegraph says that RZ has agreed to do the BJD sequel. The source is her body double Melinda Whiting who says that she has been asked to stand in again for Rene in the sequel which starts shooting at the end of this year

Hurrah! Oh Holy Bliss! (with caution)

Didn't I tell everyone to relax. :-)

*happy dance*

Good news! And Renee will be slimmed down for this role?

From The Telegraph site: Zellweger in Bridget Jones II THE Hollywood actress Renee Zellweger is to revive her starring role in Bridget Jones's Dairy to film the Helen Fielding sequel Edge of Reason at the end of the year. A follow-up had been in doubt because Zellweger was reluctant to put on weight again for the role. But Melinda Whiting, her body-double in the film, said she had been asked to appear in the sequel. 03-May-2002 So, I'm thinking if Ms. Whiting is the body double from BJD, RZ will be putting on at least a few pounds, if not as many as before.

The Baftas evidently had some kind of glossy program. If you go here, there are a few little piece about BJD. I've only skimmed through, but BJD is either mentioned or the topic of: Being Bridget Jones, Keeping Up with the Joneses, and Taking Things Literary. Could be others. Can't copy and paste from a Flash setup here, so you'll have to read there: http://www.bafta.org/Brochure/BAFTA2002/index.htm

RZ will be putting on at least a few pounds, if not as many as before I saw a picture of RZ in the NY Post today that was taken yesterday at a 3K race for charity and she looks stick thin. I think if she turned totally sideways she'd disappear while we looked right at her. If she doesn't gain weight easily, she might want to start eating now to be the proper weight for filming.

I think she's said that she is willing to put on weight, just not as much as before. I agree RZ looks stick thin.

Comparing AAB with BJD... Huge's AAB has apparently now taken �7.6million at the Box Office after about 12 days. At the same point, BJD was somewhere between �15 million and �22million, and still going strong. I don't see AAB competing with this, despite a major publicity push.

I don't see AAB competing with this, despite a major publicity push. Plus, the previews are awful. Not enticing in the least.

The language seems a tad too inflammatory to me, but it would be true about their accepting the script. Here's the latest courtesy of Silvie: Bridget Jones sequel in jeopardy? Colin Firth has revealed that he's concerned about the dramatic weightloss of his 'Bridget Jones' co-star Ren�e Zellweger. Speaking to Now magazine, the housewives' favourite said: "A few extra pounds would suit her fantastically. I thought she looked gorgeous as Bridget. She got to a size 12 and looked lovely. She doesn't need to worry about her weight." However, while there are plans to follow-up Bridget Jones's Diary with a sequel based on Helen Fielding's second book, Bridget Jones: The Edge Of Reason, Colin warned that the film mightn't actually happen, if Ren�e decides she doesn't want to put the weight back on to play the heroine of the piece. "[The film] will be a tricky beast to bring into being," Colin warned. "You're going to have to find the three actors available at the same time - Ren�e, Hugh Grant and myself - who disposed to doing a sequel. It'll be a possibility if the quality of the script is exceptional, otherwise you fall into sequel hell. And it will only be possible if Ren�e accepts that she needs to get back to how her figure looked." However, Ren�e says she isn't willing to get dumpy for the sequel, stating recently: "There is no way I'm going to put all that weight on again. No way - I hated it! They're not going to make me do it - I refuse!"

Ooops, forgot the link: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020516/242/cz3fw.html

OMG. She really does look awfully thin in recent pics. "A few extra pounds would suit her fantastically. I thought she looked gorgeous as Bridget. She got to a size 12 and looked lovely. She doesn't need to worry about her weight." My DH said the same thing!Makes me feel good.I am a size 12!!!! I knew he liked women with curves. (Despite the tiny wife). Desperately hope there will be a sequal but more concerned about her healh and distorted body imaage.

I will think positive, I will think positive... When I saw pictures of RZ at the BJD premieres she had already lost the weight. I think if she gains as little as 10-15lbs it will make a big difference because she is so thin. Obviously she doesn't have a problem taking it off. I thought I read recently, that Andrew Davies said that he would do the script without all the emphasis on the weight because of RZ's reluctance to gain. I am not going to fret about TEoR this week. It has been too glorious a week to ruin.

Meanwhile, I was particularly struck by how thin ODB himself looked in the latest pictures posted. And I think I recall reading someone's earlier comment that he was even thinner (and more good looking) in person.

(CF) "A few extra pounds would suit her fantastically. I thought she looked gorgeous as Bridget. She got to a size 12 and looked lovely. She doesn't need to worry about her weight." I remember reading an old interview of his where he mentioned he didn't prefer stick women. Not sure, though, if RZ would appreciate him stating what size she got to unless she said it herself or it were published somewhere.

Yes, the dress size was printed numerous times last year. Of course, to a Hollywood stick insect, a size 12 would be the height of obesity. Didn't Lisa's story of BJ in LA have it in the Plus Size section of the store? ;-D

This was listed on Movie.go.com--upcoming movies This sequel to Bridget Jones's Release Date 2003 Diary picks up four weeks after the end of the first film, when Bridget is trying to cope with living with another person and the arrival on the scene of Rebecca, a beautiful man-hunter. Starring Hugh Grant, Ren�e Zellweger, Colin Firth Studio TBD

Here we go again.

I wish someone would tell CF,HG, and RZ about this

when Bridget is trying to cope with living with another person I hope that person isn`t Daniel ;)

Nah--you remember. The opening of EOR she is with MD.

Just had to share that I was walking to my recruitment agency in London today when I suddenly realized I was crossing the road at the Royal Exchange shops where the last scene of BJD was filmed! I can share this almost nowhere else, who else appreciates this. This, after yesterday I purposely took a walk to Kensington Park Rd. to see 192 and Cafe Rouge. On top of that, the agency is also just around the corner from Gracechurch Street - yes, I can admit to being in Cheapside very happily. I really should start my own tour company for Drool folks now that I am here...too cool.

Hey, Emma, don't forget to go South over London Bridge one time and take the first right to see Bridget's flat, the fight scene, and the market she walks through as a bunny.

What a lucky girl you are Emma. Enjoy, and please keep us up to date.

MarkG, thanks for the tip (again!) -- do you know the street names so I don't get lost?! I've only been here since Monday, I still can't believe how much stuff I have seen either on purpose or accidentally. Keeping me occupied until real life (job, flat, etc.) starts.

(Mark) Hey, Emma, don't forget to go South over London Bridge one time and take the first right to see Bridget's flat, the fight scene, and the market she walks through as a bunny. (Emma) MarkG, thanks for the tip (again!) -- do you know the street names so I don't get lost?! Mark might be away, but these are the directions he gave me when I was there in March. Don't miss it ..it's fun.The pub is open on weekdays only. We were told that Bridget and her pals were filmed inside. Bridget's flat and the fight scene: Cathedral Street (beside Southwark Cathedral) - her flat is the private door of a pub, opposite the 'Greek restaurant', which is now an art gallery. The market is right under the bridge.

From Ananova: Bridget Jones actress willing to feature in sequel Shirley Henderson says she would be willing to appear in the planned sequel to Bridget Jones's Diary. Henderson played Bridget's friend Jude in the film, although the part in the film was greatly reduced from the book. Work on the script to the sequel is currently underway. "I've not heard anything about the Bridget Jones sequel," Henderson told Ananova. "But I'd be willing to do it if they asked me. It depends if they're doing it as the book. "I think I preferred The Edge Of Reason, it depends on what they want to show."

Wait, I thought she played Shazzer??????

I prefer TEoR too-provided they stick to the book. Hopefully, the "it's all gone very quiet" is suddenly getting a little noisey!

(Linda) I prefer TEoR too-provided they stick to the book. Funny, you should say that...actually that's my new mantra.... "I won't like it , if they don't stick to the book";-)

Actually, I have to admit that I wouldn't be very unhappy if they diverted from the book before going to Thailand. Reaching that part of the book was like hitting a literary brick wall for me. Seemed like she stuck it in from another book just to make it a bit longer. It fit the bill as far as the requisite "Mark saves Bridget and her honor/Darcy saves Elizabeth's honor" part, but I found it out of place. Maybe it's where it was set and the dilemma. Maybe if it had been somewhere else and with a different problem I would've liked it better. It got back on track for me at the end. BTW Karen, I'm surprised not to see TEoR book in the Boutique.

Gah! Will rectify that glaring omission. Must've been the Chardonnay. ;-)

I'm with you about Thailand, Dorine. I could do without that. But we will needless to say demand fidelity to the book when it comes to scenes involving MD in a towel (or less than a towel). Thing is, if HG's going to be in the sequel then they can't stick to the book (unless his involvement is very limited, really just a cameo).

(Rika) But we will needless to say demand fidelity to the book when it comes to scenes involving MD in a towel (or less than a towel). It does indeed go without saying, although we keep saying it again and again. Hey HF, et al.....are you listening?

Gah! Think I forgot to close.

(Dorine) I'm surprised not to see TEoR book in the Boutique. You scared me there. But I've checked and it is listed in the Fielding Collection...first! However, I am going to add the DIY amazon.co.uk instructions today, plus a link to The DWG's amazon shop, where there are tons more book titles, especially of all those Austen sequels. http://TheDWG.com/amazon.htm Feel free to use the links on that page too, as it all benefits Spring.

Sorry Karen! Overlooked that area I guess. When I saw BJD in the top section without TEoR, just figured it wasn't there.

We are counting out chickens before they are hatched, huh? Putting TEOR in the Firth Collection before it actually is??? ;-)

(Karen)We are counting out chickens before they are hatched, huh? Putting TEOR in the Firth Collection before it actually is??? ;-) Never underestimate the power of positive thinking, and uh, the cry of those of us desperate for the towel, and let us not forget the kitchen scene!!!!

Quick question: which book has the scene where Bridget, Shaz and Jude make a list comparing the pros and cons of Mark Darcy vs. Mr. Darcy - anyone remember??? (i've lent out my books, and cant look it up for myself...)

Isn't that in the first book, probably some time after Mark asks Bridget out to dinner?

(Rika)Isn't that in the first book, probably some time after Mark asks Bridget out to dinner? You are probably correct, but I thought it was TEoR. Gives me a strong excuse to go back and re-read these two. Sorry SB, that doesn't answer your question.

Unless there's another scene, I paraphrased this bit in GSD. However, the original can be found in Book 1, October 15: "Jude just called and we spent twenty minutes growling, 'Fawaw, that Mr Darcy.' I love the way he talks, sort of as if he can't be bothered. Ding-dong! Then we had a long discussion about the comparative merits of Mr Darcy and Mark Darcy, both agreeing that Mr Darcy was more attractive because he was ruder but that being imaginary was a disadvantage that could not be overlooked." I think the last part is a posted 'Note' on the early BJD webpages.

From SHOW BIZ bUZZ: "RENEE'S NEW RANCH: Renee Zellweger is moving away from the humble days she spent as a waitress in Texas. The actress has ponied up $6.8 million for a 6,400 square foot Bel-air spread. The gated manse was listed at $8.9 million in March 2001 and was on and off the market over the months. Zellweger's new seven-bedroom home, designed by architect Paul williams , has a library, maid's quarters, workout room, pool and gardens, according to the "Los Angeles Times". That's quite an upgrade from the former $1.8 million Hollywood Hills pad" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bet she doesn't have a problem getting a mortgage;-)

Then we had a long discussion about the comparative merits of Mr Darcy and Mark Darcy, both agreeing that Mr Darcy was more attractive because he was ruder but that being imaginary was a disadvantage that could not be overlooked. Thanks Karen! that's just the line i was looking for! :-D

I agree with you Dorine and Rika. Wasn't fond of the Thailand episode. Mark must have his towel or less scenes. Daniel got his bed scenes, now it's Mark's turn. I think the plot will be rewritten to accommodate HG. I can't imagine them giving him a cameo as the three leads were such a successful team. Perhaps Daniel will be the nemesis Mark has to save her from, in lieu of Thailand. Or could his character actually change? I don't know, just a thought. Hopefully we can trust the actors as they all said they wouldn't do it unless the script was good and better than the first. So here's hoping. I hear RZ is getting accolades for Chicago roll, and that film is v.g. Something to look forward to, perhaps.

if RZ is concerned about the weight issue, they might include the Thailand bit-- so she wouldn't have to gain so much (not that she looked bad).

From today's Letters to the Daily Telegraph: SIR - Bloody cheek! Re: MP David Willetts's claim that "Bridget Jones is a Tory at heart because essentially she wants to settle down" - was most startled to discover that the criteria for being a Tory is essentially a romantic, dating matter - had always believed in the past it was something to do with politics, economics, methods of running country etc. Mr Willetts has got the whole thing completely back to front - since one of the things which most threatened to prevent Bridget settling down with or even going out with Mark Darcy was the horrifying discovery that he voted Tory. Bridget Jones: the Edge of Reason (January 31 entry): "Realise when start a relationship with a new person there will be differences between you ... but had never, ever in a million years suspected I might have been sleeping with a man who voted Tory. Suddenly felt I didn't know Mark Darcy at all, and for all I knew, all the weeks we had been going out he had been secretly collecting limited edition pottery miniature pottery animals wearing bonnets, from the back pages of Sunday supplements, or slipping off to rugby matches on a bus and mooning at other motorists out of the back window." "So I vote Tory, what's wrong with that? What's the problem?" said Mark Darcy. "If I voted Tory I'd be a social outcast," I said. "It would be like turning up at Caf� Rouge on a horse with a pack of beagles in tow, or having dinner parties on shiny tables with side plates." "The point is you are supposed to vote for the principle of the thing, not the itsy bitsy detail about this per cent and that per cent. And it is perfectly obvious that Labour stands for the principle of sharing, kindness, gays, single mothers and Nelson Mandela, as opposed to braying bassy men having affairs with everyone shag-shag-shag left, right and centre and going to the Ritz in Paris then telling all the presenters off on the Today programme." Bridget is not just on a desperate quest to settle down. Like all self-respecting modern women she is struggling to balance her post-feminist independence and economic power with the human, not just female, need to love and be loved. She is torn between rosy images of Brad Pitt loading the dishwasher naked and oiled and feeding her ice-cream with a little spoon and the reality of living with a real man who still wants his supper cooked even though she's working just as hard as he is, and thinks washing up means twiddling a fork under the tap and then being heaped with gratitude and awe-struck praise. Besides - if everyone who had a partner or husband voted Tory they's have won the last election, wouldn't they? Probably. Helen Fielding

LOL. Thanks Mark.I thought that one made one of the columns. (HF)"She is torn between rosy images of Brad Pitt loading the dishwasher naked and oiled and feeding her ice-cream with a little spoon ..." ROTF. I'm surprised she didn't say CF;-)

LOL! Good to see Helen is still in there, actively defending her creation's character and with the same humor, although I know she could've come up with a better example for this: rosy images of Brad Pitt loading the dishwasher naked and oiled and feeding her ice-cream with a little spoon ;-) Thanks Mark

Now there should be a letter in response to HF's, quoting chapter and verse of both previous books, about whom Bridget would fantasize.

Thanks Mark and Helen. Good to know Bridget is still in peoples' thoughts. Might help getting her back on the screen. Would be nice.

Am thinking letter to the editor should question whether HF's letter was a fake and cite both books as proof as Bridget never mentions Brad Pitt fantasies even once. ;-)

"I'm thinking towels. I'm thinking dancing nekkid. I'm thinking nessie." Gasp - what fantasies! Who can we be thinking of, Helen?

HF must have been influenced by living in Hollywood. Doesn't she realize that "Phwaw.... that Brad Pitt" just doesn't work? Thanks for the article, Mark!

http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=139113&in_page_id=119 Cannot believe it! George Clooney wants to date me! Bridget Jones is set to be the envy of sad singletons everywhere - by scoring a date with Hollywood hunk George Clooney in her next film. Clooney is being lined up for a part opposite Renee Zellweger in Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason, the planned sequel to Bridget Jones's Diary. It will be a case of art imitating life because Clooney and Zellweger once enjoyed a few dates of their own. The plans were revealed today by writer Andrew Davies, who is working on the script for the sequel. In Helen Fielding's book, Bridget is sent to interview actor Colin Firth - a man she has lusted after ever since his appearance in Pride and Prejudice. But Firth played Bridget's boyfriend Mark Darcy in the first film and is set to reprise his role in the sequel - leaving scriptwriters with a problem. The solution was to find another heart-throb actor to play the object of Bridget's desire and Clooney is the ideal choice. Davies said: "We're hoping to substitute George Clooney for Colin Firth because we want Colin to play Darcy again. "I've written four drafts and the latest version is with Renee Zellweger. We are just waiting for her reaction. "Reactions have been very good all the way along and we want to start filming it this year." Typically for Bridget, her meeting with Firth in the book goes disastrously wrong and hopes of a romance are cruelly dashed. Zellweger, 33, is said to have briefly dated Clooney last year after splitting from fellow Hollywood star Jim Carrey. The actress put on a stone-and-a-half playing the Chardonnay-swigging Bridget in the first film, which was a hit on both sides of the Atlantic. She soon slimmed back down to a tiny size six, prompting concern about her health. Luckily for Zellweger, Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason will not require her to pile on so much weight a second time. Davies explained: "This time the script doesn't require her to bulk up all that much. The plot involves her doing time in a Thai jail which means she actually has to lose weight." Davies, whose credits include adaptations of Pride and Prejudice, plus the forthcoming dramas Dr Zhivago and Daniel Deronda, is co-writing the screenplay with Richard Curtis.

Let's keep the BJD discussion here. I was just going through the BJD page and saw an article from Empire in Feb 2001, in which George Clooney was also discussed. Cute comment from Richard Curtis: He is excited about the finished product and said "We are all very pleased with the final cut, it's everything we hoped it would turn out to be." But there's bad news for fans of George Clooney, who have heard the rumours that he was to appear in a dream sequence. Curtis explained "I'm sorry for everyone hoping to catch a glimpse of George Clooney in a dreamy haze but that was never going to happen. He is a hunk, but we have our very own hunks in the film. Both Colin and Hugh are ample match." So how did the rumour get started? "I don't know where that story came from but we never intended to put Ren�e through that disappointment. George was never approached�that whole dream thing was just a dream, dreamt up by some outsider." However, there might be hope for the future, as Curtis added "But then maybe it will happen in Bridget Jones 2! No, we have no intention of doing a follow up�at least not yet!"

AD "I've written four drafts and the latest version is with Renee Zellweger. We are just waiting for her reaction...Reactions have been very good all the way along and we want to start filming it this year." V. Good news! Was worried it was just being put off, but if they're actively working on it, then am hopeful for something to happen in the near future!! *happy dance*

Yay! Colin hinted numerous times about Clooney subbing for him as BJ's interviewee. Oh man, Colin Firth and George Clooney up on the big screen, for the price of one admission! Bring me the smelling salts!

What is it with all these substitute objects of lust for Bridget today? Brad Pitt, George Clooney - who next? "Reactions have been very good all the way along and we want to start filming it this year." . This year, as in 2002? That's not consistent with what we've been hearing.

Davies said: "We're hoping to substitute George Clooney for Colin Firth because we want Colin to play Darcy again. I've written four drafts and the latest version is with Renee Zellweger. We are just waiting for her reaction. (Mari),Colin hinted numerous times about Clooney subbing for him as BJ's interviewee. That's art imitating life. ;-) "This time the script doesn't require her to bulk up all that much. The plot involves her doing time in a Thai jail which means she actually has to lose weight." So will Colin be using that private jet I gave him for his birthday to go on location? :-D Thanks for posting, Mark. BTW, I never did ask if you bragged to your co-workers about your appearance in the BJD movie?

I mentioned it eventually, Moon, but I don't know if it's really braggable - though my DW likes to tell people! Some friends say "was that all?" when they see it, but others say they were looking in the background and didn't realise I'd be such a camera-hog!

Thanks Marianne for the article on EOR & GC, however,this does seem contrary to what Hola Lola wrote today on the CF topic that EOR had been put back, which presumably means filming will be delayed still further. Would love to hear Lola's comments re this article.

others say they were looking in the background and didn't realise I'd be such a camera-hog! You were absolutely perfect! I hope you get to reprieve your role. We count on it. :-D

Andrew Davies did not mention Hugh, could that mean he's out? (MarkG) Some friends say "was that all?" when they see it, but others say they were looking in the background and didn't realise I'd be such a camera-hog! were you in BJD as an extra? how cool, which scenes were you in?

Am thinking letter to the editor should question whether HF's letter was a fake and cite both books as proof as Bridget never mentions Brad Pitt fantasies even once. ;-) EXCELLENT OBSERVATION BOSS Mark, how exciting. Please tell us where you are so we can see you too. Thanks. Marianne thank you for article. It's good news. Cloony would be perfect, but I will kind of miss the CF interview as it is one of the funniest things I have ever read and can so clearly see RZ and CF doing it so extremely well. Also loving Fitz Darcy as I do, I can understand her passion with her interview. Was really looking forward to that. Can't see where interaction with GC would be as clever or as funny as the interview about Darcy. But only my opinion. But after further thought BJD the movie does not really indicate that she has a passion about P&P or Darcy, as in the books, so it might work. It was just so funny. I really enjoyed it and I can just visualize CF's facial reactions to her interview. Very funny stuff. Whatever, I know it will be a great movie and am now lighting candles. Come on Renee give it the green light, please!!! In one of your Oscar night interviews you said you loved Bridget, I do too.

We made sure everyone at the Ziegfield Theater at the NY premiere knew about Mark. You should've seen the three of us gasping and pointing to the screen as Mark strode past. Betcha Harvey took notice. ;-)

(Karen)You should've seen the three of us gasping and pointing to the screen as Mark strode past. In unison: "THERE'S MARK!!"

(Mari)Yay! Colin hinted numerous times about Clooney subbing for him as BJ's interviewee I read that too, he has said it several times. I am sorry though, that the interview will be different. It was truly hilarious in the book. What did I say last night about those candles. It works, it really works-eh, I hope.

Here's another article about Helen Fielding's response to the Tory hijacking of her Bridget Jones character. It was on the Boston.com (Boston Globe) web site: Author protests as Conservatives enlist 'Bridget Jones' for pro-marriage campaign By Associated Press, 9/19/2002 13:42 LONDON (AP) Author Helen Fielding has accused the opposition Conservative Party of hijacking her popular Bridget Jones character in its bid to promote marriage and the family. Fielding's best-selling book, ''Bridget Jones's Diary,'' is about the romantic disasters of a 30-something single woman. In a letter published Thursday in The Daily Telegraph, Fielding took exception to a senior Conservative's remark that Bridget Jones was a Tory at heart because she hopes to marry and settle down. David Willetts, the party's spokesman on work and pensions, invoked the fictional character in a speech Wednesday in which he extolled the value of marriage and family life. While many young people are now marrying later, he said, increasing numbers of people follow Bridget's hit-and-miss romantic career before finding the right partner. ''If anything, we have higher hopes of marriage than ever before. We are taking longer to find the right partner, but still searching for that person with whom we want to spend the rest of our lives just ask Bridget Jones,'' said Willetts. Fielding protested that Willetts ''has got the whole thing completely back to front'' because one of the biggest threats to Bridget Jones' relationship with Mark Darcy ''was the horrifying discovery that he voted Tory.'' At the end of the novel, Bridget gets her man. Bridget, she said, ''is not just on a desperate quest to settle down. Like all self-respecting modern women she is struggling to balance her post-feminist independence and economic power with the human, not just female, need to love and be loved.'' Willetts' speech to a Conservative think-tank follows a fierce debate within the party over the extent to which the Tories should embrace alternative lifestyles in an attempt to make themselves more appealing. Willetts said the party should promote marriage as the ideal environment for children, while accepting that many young people prefer to cohabit in long-term relationships. ''Bridget Jones's Diary'' was turned into a hit movie in 2001 starring Renee Zellweger and Hugh Grant. Forgot someone there, didn't they? Liz

This reminds me of all the foolishness with Dan Quayle and Murphy Brown.

*hint hint* Mark is the one in a Burberry suit. Can't miss him. (Rika) This reminds me of all the foolishness with Dan Quayle and Murphy Brown. It sure does. While many may be disappointed that Colin won't be playing himself and doing the interview, I can understand his wanting to keep all that out. Clooney is a good substitute in my opinion. He has such a good sense of humor and quick wit that Bridget's interview is bound to be hysterical. OK, no repeated mentions of a wet shirt and being sprayed by water, but at least it will mean Colin will reprise his role. A small price IMO. But he better not throw out the towel!!!

For anyone who hasn't read the old topics: When Renee gets in the car, and Huge "growls" at her - then that's li'l old me walking down the street. (I think the extras director got excited about the fact I had a suit on: he told me to assume that I was walking home from work - and didn't know how accurate that was)

Aw...don't be so modest. He couldn't pass up a handsome man in a Burberry suit.You brought us day by day reports of BJD.You are a real trouper, Mark.:-)))

(Evelyn) You brought us day by day reports of BJD.You are a real trouper, Mark.:-))) Indeed -you aways had fun facts to share Mark. I always got excited when i saw you had posted! :-)

Would it be OK to post pics of The Burberry Man here? ;-)

(Karen)But he better not throw out the towel!!! Well, I can live with the towel being thrown out:-)But I fear that will not be the case. Nor do I think the kitchen scene will be filmed as written.*sigh*. However, I will defer(?)to ODB's choices, just make the film, already.

(lindak) Nor do I think the kitchen scene will be filmed as written.*sigh*. Linda, I agree that we will be lucky to see that scene filmed as written in the movie...wasn't Mark Darcy nekkid? I don't have the books in front of me, but I think that is what I remember (if that's not the case, then I just pictured him that way...). We can always hope.

(Tress)wasn't Mark Darcy nekkid? Yup. Nekkid.

Nekkid just isn't gonna happen - I'd put a lot of money on those days being in the past.... but I'm going to hold out hope for a towel scene. That actually would be a good trade for the interview scene.

I have no objection to a towel scene....I would take towel over interview anyday (unless the interview was done nekkid).

(Tress)unless the interview was done nekkid Now this sounds like the best of all possible solutions!

Thanks for article Liz. Thanks for info Mark. Will watch you this weekend. Candles are lit and glowing brightly.

(Rika)That actually would be a good trade for the interview scene. Yes, I'd call it a "Fair Trade" since he supports that! Maybe he can even hold a cup of coffee when he's wearing the towel with "Fair Trade" printed on the mug. Hmmm, maybe that would get him to do the towel scene in the first place! Hey, anyone from TEoR production reading this?

(Lora)Maybe he can even hold a cup of coffee when he's wearing the towel with "Fair Trade" Maybe he'll even do the kitchen scene, nekkid-if they use Fair Trade coffee on the counter for product placement. C'mon, how about it, Colin? Lets play fair.

(lindak) Maybe he'll even do the kitchen scene, nekkid-if they use Fair Trade coffee on the counter for product placement. They could do some very clever 'product placement' and he could hold the cup in front of him during the kitchen scene....we would all remember that and never buy anything except Fair Trade coffee! It would be etched into our subconcious forever....

(Tress) They could do some very clever 'product placement' and he could hold the cup in front of him during the kitchen scene Rather like that photo Lisa found a while back of the guy "wearing" the teacup. Works for me.

Ah, the blush of first love (lust?). A BJD night. Blue soup. Just the way you are. Reindeer jumpers. Yes they f***ing do. It's all MarkG's fault, had to find him but of course had to watch the whole thing. Gonna go light a candle for TEoR.

Good to relive those Ziegfeld moments! I believe we even mentioned Mark to the waiting British press outside in a casual "Give me a free pass, damn you, I know someone in this film" kind of a way;-) And then Barb you will just have to watch it with friends in order just to point Mark out, it can be a never ending scenario.....:-)

i'm thinking i need the dvd as a b-day present to myself, anyway i'll take clooney if that is how the film is going to get made, but the best part of the interview for me is that cf is so stand offish about being a sex symbol in real life and could just hear and see his reactions in my mind when i read it, i think george knows and accepts (and probably like) being a sex symbol, it just won't be the same but i always have the book to read over and over (at least after i get it back from my friend)

Why not have CF grow his hair out a la FP and shoot that part first? I do hate it that the wet shirt schtick will have to go by the wayside. Clooney seems to have enough of a sense of humor to pull it off, though.

I think it would add to the humour and whole bit of him already playing Darcy if he played himself too...it could work....

I have heard it said that CF could play the interview in costume, as if the interview were occurring on a set....in particular, think dressed as Wessex. Of course they would not be able to do Wessex but, what a joke, he could do virtually any costume, Regency thing. I would hope they would include boots of course though. (That would be, uh, purely personal preference...) But now I think of it, what a nightmare the whole thing would be...P&P being a major "prop" for TEoR, a whole back-story that is too delicious for those who know it but miles above the head of the average movie patron, a nightmare of releases and copyright acknowledgments that would have little or no benefit to the average movie goer. Rats...gotta believe it will never happen. (Note to self...buy more candles.)

I'm not happy with the interview being done by someone else. That was a hilarious part of the book. I agree with Lisa and Elizabeth. I think they could have found a way with a beard etc. to film that scene. Then Bridget could realize why she's crazy about Marc-because he looks like Darcy. I wish they would have consulted me about the script. Oh, well if it gets made and gets Colin in a towel-what the heck.

(Lisa), I think it would add to the humour and whole bit of him already playing Darcy if he played himself too...it could work.... That's my take too. Besides, he can dress as his sloppy self for the interview, a definite change from the dapper MD. If they get GC as another love interest, that would free HG from the project. He knows that Daniel is nothing in TEOR. And CF and GC together in a film is... sing it Mary Poppins... "supercallyfragalistic...

I don't think that setting up Colin as two different people is so much the issue. I think the general public can understand using the same person as two different people. I think it would be harder for those who wouldn't be and aren't familiar with the in-joke with the P&P connection. It's hilarious to us because we all know about that and the references to Livia. I would think it would completely fall flat to those out-of-the-know. People would wonder why interviewing Colin would be significant enough to be a part of the movie. At least with GC, he and his work is more generally known I think and there wouldn't have to be a big setup. If they had mentioned Bridget's P&P/CF obsession in the first movie it wouldn't be such a big deal to continue with it in TEoR. Of course, this all is IMHO.

(Lisa), I think it would add to the humour and whole bit of him already playing Darcy if he played himself too...it could work.... If ODB played MD and himself, I think it could open up a few 'fantasy/dream' scenes as well...imagine Mr. Darcy (in wet shirt and riding boots of course) emptying BJ's dishwasher (wasn't there some quote regarding Brad Pitt emptying Bridget's dishwasher?) or Bridget done up in regency clothing talking to Mr. Darcy at Pemberly... George Clooney is a good second for the interview sequence (he is truly hilarious when interviewed), but I think that the whole P&P obsession in the books is too funny...there really isn't a GC movie that caused that kind of a fuss, is there?

Colin has said many times he wouldn't play himself, and that they'd get someone like George Clooney to be BJ's object of fandom. Plus, it's an in-joke and they can't build movies on in-jokes. CG is known in every nook and cranny of the globe, and they go for the global audience (and I can't blame them). Even the first movie made no reference to BJ liking P&P--that connection was pretty much removed altogether. Plus, how realistic would it be for BJ to be pining away for someone who caught her fancy 8 years ago? Err, strike that last question; we're all still here.;-)

Plus, how realistic would it be for BJ to be pining away for someone who caught her fancy 8 years ago? Err, strike that last question; we're all still here.;-) LOL! But we're really here because of the friends we've made thanks to him. ;-) (Dorine), I would think it would completely fall flat to those out-of-the-know. People would wonder why interviewing Colin would be significant enough to be a part of the movie. Good point. not that I care for those not ion the know. ;-)

But we're really here because of the friends we've made thanks to him.;-) An excellent point, Moon. I find the society here quite pleasing.:-)

(Dorine), I would think it would completely fall flat to those out-of-the-know. You're absolutely right...I will go hide now. I am just a huge fan of the interview scene...but I did say eariler that I would trade that for the towel scene anyday...and I would. I'm just being greedy....I want both!!

(Dorine), I would think it would completely fall flat to those out-of-the-know. (Tress)You're absolutely right...I will go hide now. I am just a huge fan of the interview scene...but I did say eariler that I would trade that for the towel scene anyday...and I would. I'm just being greedy....I want both!! yeah, i agree too. maybe they'll do the GC and ER angle, GC didn't really get popular until ER which could possibly be a substitute for Colin's Mr. Darcy phenomenon. my friend borrowed my BJD books just a few months ago. she had no clue as to the whole Mr. Darcy/wet shirt/P&P2 thing but she nonetheless enjoyed the books immensely because of Bridget and Mark. she had not seen BJD the movie yet but she knew who was in the movie so all the while as she was reading the books she kept picturing Hugh as Mark Darcy!

(Mari)An excellent point, Moon. I find the society here quite pleasing.:-) Me too, ever so much. (Tress) I am just a huge fan of the interview scene...but I did say eariler that I would trade that for the towel scene anyday...and I would. I'm just being greedy....I want both!! Me, too. As I really think it is one of the funniest things in the book and one of the funniest things I have ever read. But Dorine is right, those who are not in the know wouldn't understand her passion and as I said earlier being that it wasn't alluded to in the first movie it would seem to be coming out of left field. So to appease the masses would be better to go with Clooney or some other high-profile celeb. Just will miss such a very very funny scene. I can really picture Colin and Rene's facial expressions while doing this. Absolutely hysterical.

(dalec) all the while as she was reading the books she kept picturing Hugh as Mark Darcy! Ack!! I really need that emoticon for dry heaves (Karen, are you listening?). You did set your friend straight, right???? Sit her down for a P&P2 session; doubt she'll make that mistake twice.

You mean .... she umm thought... er er that... yeah yeah right... oh...of course that Hugh was... yah ok well um.....;-) Bring on that emoticon for dry heaves and fast!

GAG.... glad I read this before lunch and not after. (shudder)

(Dorine)I would think it would completely fall flat to those out-of-the-know. People would wonder why interviewing Colin would be significant enough to be a part of the movie I hate it when you're right:-) (Mari)An excellent point, Moon. I find the society here quite pleasing.:-) Quite pleasing indeed. Thank you, ladies. I enjoy every moment here.

Hmmm. Interview? Or towel? Interview? Or towel? (as if we have a choice...I suspect we will get neither.) OK, then, I'll vote for the towel, and insist that they shoot the interview just for fun and make it a DVD extra. How's that for magical thinking? :) Truly this is the most civilized and amusing society to be found anywhere.

(moonstar) You did set your friend straight, right???? Sit her down for a P&P2 session; doubt she'll make that mistake twice. i did, she's still not a CF fan though. don't know if there's still hope for her. she did watch SIL again when i told her Colin was in it and said he looked so much better as Mark Darcy. she still finds it hard to believe that Wessex was played by Colin.

(Elizabeth) OK, then, I'll vote for the towel, and insist that they shoot the interview just for fun and make it a DVD extra. How's that for magical thinking? :) I love this idea! But.........yeah, right. :-) (Pam) As I really think it is one of the funniest things in the book and one of the funniest things I have ever read. Me, too! Maybe second only to Lisa's story of her discovery of her employer's scripts for mutes, er, mute characters. ;-) (Mari) I find the society here quite pleasing.:-) Yes, indeed! Thanks everyone! A little tidbit I'd like to see included too would be the part where Bridget gets a message from Colin on the answering machine to arrange a time for the interview. Just

Oops, hit the button before I was ready.As I was saying.... A little tidbit I'd like to see included,too, would be the part where Bridget gets a message from Colin on the answering machine to arrange a time for the interview. Just as they rewind, Tom calls and says, "Hello, you pretty little things, it's Mr. Darcy here just calling to see if anyone could help me out of this wet shirt." Would be funny to watch them all freak out. That guy that played Tom was a riot to me. :-)

(dalec) she had not seen BJD the movie yet but she knew who was in the movie so all the while as she was reading the books she kept picturing Hugh as Mark Darcy! Oh, the sacrilege!!! But at least she wasn't picturing him as Mister Darcy!

(Dorine) Just as they rewind, Tom calls and says, "Hello, you pretty little things, it's Mr. Darcy here just calling to see if anyone could help me out of this wet shirt." Would be funny to watch them all freak out. That guy that played Tom was a riot to me. :-) Oh, yes, would HATE to lose that. Well, I suppose they could Clooney-ize that moment somehow and include it.

(Elizabeth) OK, then, I'll vote for the towel, and insist that they shoot the interview just for fun and make it a DVD extra. How's that for magical thinking? :) In total agreement. Was thinking of this myself. (Dorine) That guy that played Tom was a riot to me. :-) I agree. I loved all her urban family very very much. Great characters and great friends. Hope they're on screen more in EOR. (Kathy) Oh, the sacrilege!!! But at least she wasn't picturing him as Mister Darcy! GOD FORBID!! One could be burned at the stake for that error.

(Dorine) That guy that played Tom was a riot to me. :-) (FanPam) I agree. I loved all her urban family very very much. Great characters and great friends. Hope they're on screen more in EOR. One of my absolute favorite scenes in TEoR is when Tom's phone goes missing and Bridget has to hunt for it in the trash....I was a LOL moment for me...I hope as well that her urban family gets more screen time this time around....

They filmed the dustbin scene for the first movie, right? And then (sigh) it got cut.

(Rika) They filmed the dustbin scene for the first movie, right? And then (sigh) it got cut. Did they??? Now I'm really bummed. I liked that scene so much in the book. And I am sure they won't re-do it for TEoR...Although, from the sounds of things the movie will be quite a bit different. Wish they had included it in the deleted scenes.

Tress, check out this page on The Bucket: http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/bjdcut.html It's got some scenes and dialogue from the screenplay that did not appear in the film. The dialogue for the dustbin scene is there. When they cut the dustbin scene, they also had to change a line in the book launch party scene. Originally when Mark introduced Bridget and Natasha, his introduction of Bridget made reference to the phone in the dustbin, not the paddling pool.

Thanks for link Rika. Hadn't seen this before.

(Rika) It's got some scenes and dialogue from the screenplay that did not appear in the film. The dialogue for the dustbin scene is there. Thanks Rika! As you can tell I still haven't found all the little goodies on The Bucket. I'm sorry the scene at the hotel (the mini-break scene) didn't make it as well. That was funny!

In case it is not clear, the deleted scenes included on that page were Mark Darcy's only and one involving the friends. Some people seem to think that only Colin's scenes were cut from the final version of the film. Not so. I just didn't choose to put the others up.

Now I have a silly question...were these scenes actually filmed (and if so, does anyone know why they didn't include them in the deleted scenes) or were they only in the original script and changed prior to filming? I did notice that the MD line about the paddling pool (at the launch party) was dubbed in after the fact (on my DVD, there is a noticable change in the sound quality and ODB is off camera).

The script I have is labeled a "shooting script" and I expect they did film most, if not all of it and more. It is very obvious that the lines were dubbed at the launch party and that Natasha's followup line makes no sense.

(KarenR) It's always fun to see a 'shooting script'...I've seen a few (of movies that I didn't care too much about), but this is interesting because a scene that was dropped from the script ended up being in the book (TEoR). Thanks for sharing.

Karen, I love the goodies you have on The Bucket - it was so interesting to see what didn't make it onto the screen. I recall from the pre-release publicity for BJD that a surprising number of the clips shown at that time didn't make it into the movie (like the "a shame about the thighs" comment at the Tube station). I know what Sharon Maguire said in the director's commentary about keeping rom-coms to 90 minutes, but I can't see that another ten minutes (the RIGHT ten minutes, anyhow) would have destroyed the structure of the film. Speaking of goodies on The Bucket, I was really glad that I had read the Telegraph columns before the older ones vanished. I wish I had saved some of them (like one at the holidays where Mark and Bridget verbally seduced one another without the parents catching on).

Lots of the publiciyt here contained shots from the clips that didn't make it .... got very confusing when taking people along to their first (my umpteenth) showing.

(Tress) a scene that was dropped from the script ended up being in the book (TEoR). Cart before the horse. The dustbin ringing was in TEOR, which was written before the script. In fact, HF told the dustbin ringing story numerous times during her first book tour of the US, as an example of real-life situation that happened to a friend, and it was in the weekly columns. I'm going to have to see what's going on at The Telegraph, whether they've merely changed their links (AGAIN!!) or if the content is no longer archived. Grrrr....

I'm going to have to see what's going on at The Telegraph Woohoo...all this talk, I've only just discovered the links to the original stuff, what there is of it that is. Thought I had missed the chance when I found the bad links. Maybe a chance the boss will make it all better! Lighting another candle for good links. (House is looking very gothic with all the candles going...)

If the links don't exist, I may just delete it. The columns that do appear (Oct onward) are ones I typed up myself since a previous archive conversion at The Telegraph lost those last few months.

The columns that do appear (Oct onward) are ones I typed up myself since a previous archive conversion Archive conversion sounds ominous. I'm hearing Darth Vader saying "It's useless to resist" however I cannot miss the "typed up myself" part. What you do for us, especially those come late to the obsession, it is amazing. We are not worthy...thank you for what there is of it...

Karen, I was so glad you typed up the ones you did! I meant to tell you about the bad links a month or so ago when I first discovered them but it slipped my mind (as so many things were doing back then).

I wasn't aware the links were bad until now. The search engine doesn't seem to be working at The Telegraph. Not only did NO results turn up but there wasn't any kind of explanation. So, I've dumped it on the support guys at the Telegraph and sent them all the urls I want and will see what they say. Last time around, they did respond by saying that the Oct-Dec columns would be converted to the new system later (I never checked up). We shall see. Right now, I'm more concerned with the messed up file permissions in my subdirectories...the reason why images are missing. Good thing I printed off the old columns when they were first published. ;-)

(Karen) Good thing I printed off the old columns when they were first published. ;-) Oh, you clever girl!

It wasn't that I was so clever, but that I didn't have a home computer at that time. However it was so fun. Many of us on this side of the pond would get online on Friday night, when the Telegraph uploaded the next day's paper, so that we could comment on the column right away. It was a nasty weekend when HF didn't publish her column. If you go back to the first BJD topic, you will see.

Oh, you clever girl! Do take the credit, Karen. I too am grateful for all you do. You are the fun-Firthette leader. 3 Cheers!

(Moon)3 Cheers! Hear Hear! Thank you Karen! :-)

Bravo, Karen. You're the best.

I posted here a few times this past winter and spring, but then life (namely my job) intervened and so I haven't had much time to do anything off hours. However one thing I did a few months ago was copy and paste all the Telegrah columns Karen linked to, and put them in a Word document. If anyone would like the doc, feel free to email me and I'll send it to you. A word of warning: it's a big file, 425K in size. I'm going to email the doc to Karen so she can put them back up on the Bucket as she sees fit if the tech support people at the Telegraph can't reestablish the links.

Cool!!!! Thanks, Kattas!

HAPPY, HAPPY, BIRTHDAY, KAREN AND MANY MANY MORE. YOU ARE THE GREATEST!!!

A big cheer to Kathy for her coming to our rescue with the column. I thank you, the readers thank you and most of all my poor, tired fingers thank you. :)

Where will I find the column posted? Please forgive ignorance. Thank you.

The old Telegraph columns were linked from my BJD page at the Bucket; however, the links are broken right now. Until I hear from the paper on whether this is permanent or temporary, I'm not planning on uploading Kathy's doc yet.

OK Thank you.

Here's the page where they would be... http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/bjdcols.html The only ones you can still read online are from Oct 3 to the end.

(kattas) I'm going to email the doc to Karen so she can put them back up on the Bucket (Karen) A big cheer to Kathy for her coming to our rescue with the column I'm not one to accept praise where it isn't due. Alas, I'm not the thoughtful rescuer. The honor belongs to Kattas (Response 1117). Altogether too many K names around here -- just adds to the confusion!

Thanks Karen. Read available ones and enjoyed immensely. Looking forward to reading others when available.

Actually kattas' name is Kathy, but I believe she used to post under the name of kats before. ;-)

(Karen) Actually kattas' name is Kathy, but I believe she used to post under the name of kats before. ;-) I was hoping to avoid confusion. ;-p I've never forgot the time I was in a Girl Scout troop and there were three other 'Kathys' and they had to call me Kathleen Anne. I now go by 'Kat' but others still call me 'Kathy.' I've never thought my mum was original in naming us girls. Re: the doc, you're welcome. :-) As a database programmer who's had to deal with data mishaps during our long migration process, I never take any kind of data for granted, especially stuff I don't want to lose. And that includes anything do to with CF. LOL

IMO there are way too many Kathies out there. I had two best friends in college with the same name. Very confusing! I've noticed on old topics that there was also another Kathy F. I should have gone with a pseudonym! Too late now, I guess.

Noticed that Helen Fielding has added her voice to the Oxfam Fair Trade campaign: Helen Fielding Author, UK "The coffee market is no longer bearing fruit for the farmers. Our cappuccino pleasure should not be at their expense." http://maketradefair1.srv.poptel.org.uk/celebs.asp?subcat=1&cat=1&select=3

Thanks for report Emma.

Drool is kicking off its Annual Fund-Raising Drive. Spring needs money in order to operate and we appreciate whatever people can send to help keep this place online every single day of the week. For this year's campaign, I'm hoping that the contributions will cover our operating expenses through the end of the year. As Terry has explained in the past, it costs approximately $300 a month to run Spring, which includes the conferences, The Bucket (firth.com) and austen.com, home to the Derbyshire Writers' Guild. Also, when we exceed our contractual allowance for bandwidth, there are variable charges for the excess. From our usage statistics, we all know Drool is very popular but is financially supported by a small fraction of those who visit. Whether you have registered or read the boards in a public mode, it costs Spring money. We prefer to keep Drool open to the public and can only do so through your generosity and giving whatever you can to keep this wonderful place open. This year, I've made arrangements with Lizza in the UK to collect cheques, which she can then send on to me. For other countries, we have alternatives that have worked fine in the past. Our Drool boards are a source of enjoyment for many people, participants and lurkers alike. So if you'd like to make a contribution, please contact me at nomdedrool@yahoo.com for information, as no addresses will be posted on this board.

From IMDb. Don't remember if this was posted before... "Renee Refuses To Gain Weight for 'Bridget Jones' Sequel Hollywood beauty Renee Zellweger is refusing to gain weight for the sequel to hit movie Bridget Jones's Diary. The 33-year-old star has insisted that no amount of money would persuade her to be overweight for eight months again, and the movie's writer Andrew Davies has responded by revealing that the follow up, The Edge Of Reason, will actually require her to lose rather than gain pounds to her already skinny figure. The sexy star insists, "I don't want to go through that experience again." But Davies explains, "This time the script doesn't require her to bulk up all that much. The plot involves her doing time in a Thai jail, which means she actually has to lose weight."

Thanks for the report Evelyn. I can't say I blame her. She's in demand and probably wouldn't have the time to lose the wait after shooting.

Thanks for the report, Evelyn. Too bad the Thai jail story remains in the script. But what really puzzles me is how she can lose any more weight. IF she does, she'll disappear! IF they have to keep the jail scene, I hope they keep the IF poem (Kipling) in the script. Doesn't she have that in jail with her because Mark gives it to her before she goes away? Will go and recheck.

(Lora): Doesn't she have that in jail with her because Mark gives it to her before she goes away? Yep, in EOR, she goes to Jerome's poetry reading at her parents' and afterwards, Mark drops by with his father (who's drunk). He sits at a table to write something and knocks over a vase (I think). He then rushes out with his parents, leaving the paper with the 'IF' poem on it. Bridget leaves for Thailand the next day. It's a scene taken directly out of Jane Austen's 'Persuasion.'

(Lora) But what really puzzles me is how she can lose any more weight. In White Oleander and the trailer for Chicago, I didn't think she looked as thin as she was at one point. But now that I think of it, she did WO and Chicago prior to this spring I believe, which is when I saw the pic of her in the paper where she looked ghastly thin to me. Maybe she fluctuates a lot. I hope they keep the IF poem (Kipling) in the script. (Kattas) He sits at a table to write something and knocks over a vase (I think). He then rushes out with his parents, leaving the paper with the 'IF' poem on it I do too. I can easily imagine him doing that bit of physical comedy. Maybe they can do something with that Thai jail scene to make it gel better in the movie than it did in the book. And if they leave this in and leave out the towel scene......*shaking head in disbelief*. It's enough they are already altering the funniest thing in the book.

(Dorine) Maybe they can do something with that Thai jail scene to make it gel better in the movie than it did in the book. And if they leave this in and leave out the towel scene......*shaking head in disbelief*. It's enough they are already altering the funniest thing in the book. Well, I'm not surprised, considering they veered so much from the book in bringing BJD to the screen. I'm sure they'd do the same with EOR, which is a shame, as I thought EOR was funnier than BJD.

(Dorine)I hope they keep the IF poem (Kipling) in the script. (Kattas) He sits at a table to write something and knocks over a vase (I think). He then rushes out with his parents, leaving the paper with the 'IF' poem on it I loved that part in the book. I do hope they keep it in. I can just see him doing that.

They'd better really streamline the whole Thai jail thing. It was certainly the weakest part of the book and I think it would be the same in the movie. Like Dorine said, they'd better not sacrifice the towel scene for more Thai jail stuff!

(Rika) the whole Thai jail thing... was certainly the weakest part of the book and I think it would be the same in the movie true, but must admit that Renee (as Bridget) in sarong, pointy bra and tampon microphone singing Madona to Thai prostitutes would be funny. (and probably be nominated for MTV movie awards) :-) (Kattas)I thought EOR was funnier than BJD Me Too!

Andrew Davies is apparently talking to all the newspapers and mags these days. Ananova has picked up the same "RZ/weight" story, which it got from Heat mag: http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_690077.html?menu=

I saw White Oleander today and I thought Renee did a good performance, moving from sanity and the good life to a downfall. Michelle Pfeiffer was remarkable, but an even more stunning performance was turned in by Alison Lohman who plays the young girl Astrid. Academy Award for Best Acctress? I'd say she'd have to be the leading contender. Both Robin Wright Penn and Renee Zellwegger play Astrid's foster moms. Pheiffer is her real mom, who is in prison. Ebert has praise for Zellwegger. "Astrid's best foster experience is with Claire (Zellweger), whose performance is the most convincing in the movie. She plays a onetime horror star, married to a director who is usually absent, and we believe the scenes she has with Astrid because they come from need and honesty." And Ebert craves for more reality (though I don't, I thought the unreality suited the movie): The performances are often touching and deserve a better screenplay. I don't hold the beauty of the actresses against them, but I wish the movie had not been so pleased with the way the sunlight comes streaming through their long blond hair and falls on their flawless skin and little white summer dresses. More Ebert on Zellwegger role as Astrid's foster mom: They also inspire the best scenes between Astrid and her mother; Pfeiffer finds just the right note between jealousy and perception when, on visiting day at the prison, she observes, "You dress like her now." Later she tells her daughter, "I'd like to meet her." "Why?" "Because you don't want me to." And later: "How can you stand to live with poor Claire? I would rather see you in the worst kind of foster home than to live with that woman." The scenes involving Claire most clearly inspire Astrid's developing ideas about her mother." http://www.chicagosuntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-white11f.html My conclusion, go see it and take my favorite movie reviewer with a grain of salt.

Thanks Terry. Do we know how long we have to wait for it here?

Where's here? I don't know anything about the release schedule. I think it's generally released, but maybe it's on limited distribtuion. I like Ebert, I went to school with him, but he's off the mark in his review. I think this is a movie with an academy award winning performance by the girl who plays Astrid. And maybe best supporting for Renee, though that's more of a stretch.

In today's Austin American Statesman: http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/friday/life_entertainment_1.html A working mother's 'Bridget Jones' By Sharyn Wizda Vane AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Friday, October 18, 2002 Meet Bridget Jones, five years down the road. Her name is Kate Reddy, married mother of two, and she has a similarly high-class job in London (hedge-fund manager vs. Bridget's publishing), a similarly annoying social nemesis (the Muffia, a cabal of superior stay-at-home moms, vs. Bridget's Smug Marrieds) and a similarly quotidian approach to life (Sisyphean to-do lists vs. Bridget's diary entries). Bridget, the heroine of Helen Fielding's "Bridget Jones's Diary," spawned a whole slew of chick-lit imitators, from Jane Green's "Jemima J" to Wendy Holden's "Farm Fatale." Kate, the chaotic center of Allison Pearson's "I Don't Know How She Does It," brings us a fresh new version of the genre -- working-mom lit. Pearson expertly charts the never-ending guilt of her heroine, stretched between a workplace rife with boors and a home full of family desperately seeking more Kate. Fair warning: This is not a cheeky, uplifting novel about how to do it all. This is a novel that sheds comic yet painful light on the hazards of trying. a lot more at http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/friday/life_entertainment_1.html

She was just here in Boston to promote her book. I e-mailed my girlfriend (another thirtysomething single mommy) and she ran out and bought it!

I saw the author interviewed on Today show.V.much like HF British, funny articulate(except more glam;-) "BJ five years later" was Katie Couric's remark too. BTW the book has already been commissioned for a film.Not cast yet.

Let's pray ladies that Bridget gets made before Kate does. Could possibly be too much competition if they come out at the same time.

Thanks to Sharon: Renee set for a new Diary date by BAZ BAMIGBOYE, Daily Mail After months of intense negotiations, an agreement is 'virtually in place' for Renee Zellweger to star in the Bridget Jones movie sequel. It's the most confident that people on both sides - Ms Zellweger's negotiators and executives connected to the film - have felt all year about luring the actress back to the role that made her an international star. 'We've virtually agreed a deal. In fact, there's an agreement in place and I don't see any reason why it won't happen,' says someone close to movie chiefs at Working Title, who are thrashing out the details. Renee's fee for the sequel - The Edge Of Reason - will soar. She could make $8-10 million dollars for reprising her role as the neurotic, calorie-counting heroine. 'She'll be paid considerably more than she got for the original movie,' was all one insider would say. It's understood that Renee's negotiating team kept asking for more money to be put on the table. Then it wanted a bigger slice of revenues from DVD and video sales. 'The money wasn't actually a problem,' I was told. 'It was more to do with the fact that, now she's a big star, she's got dozens of offers out there - so when will she have the time? Time was the problem.' The reality is that executives are keen to get the film shooting by next summer - which is already several months later than they would originally have liked. 'Frankly, whenever the cameras start rolling on this one, I'll be happy,' one consultant told me. Renee should receive a script by the end of November. Writers Andrew Davies, Helen Fielding (author of the diaries) and Richard Curtis have all had a hand in it. Once Renee and others have approved the script and she is safely on board, then the rest of the cast - expected to include Hugh Grant and Colin Firth - will be contracted. Several directors, including original Bridget Jones filmmaker Sharon Maguire and Beeban Kidron (Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit), are on the shortlist.

Yeah! Several directors, including original Bridget Jones filmmaker Sharon Maguire She was all gushy over ODB. Bet she'd make sure there's a towel scene somehow.

And BTW, thanks Mari and Sharon! :)

Thanks Mari and Sharon. Good ole Baz. Don't blame her for asking for more money. WT made way over $100.M on Bridget. In UK actors don't get residuals on videos etc...but they do in the US. So she can't be blasted for asking for her share. Besides she has a new $6M pad ;-)

Oh, I'm dancing in the streets. Thank you Mari and Sharon. Think towel, think towel, think towel. Think kitchen, think kitchen, think kitchen

Thanks, Mari and Sharon! Good news indeed. Agree with Evelyn re: Renee being entitled to ask for more money. I only hope Colin got more this time as well.

Thank you for the info Mari and Sharon.....I agree CF *should* get a big hunk of dough for this one, but will it happen? Guess I should read TEOR now!

Lisa, it's definitely worth reading just to imagine CF in the MD scenes! In fact, I feel like reading it again.

Maybe we will actually get to start *another* new topic...The Edge of Reason, Part 1!

Lisa, it's definitely worth reading just to imagine CF in the MD scenes! In fact, I feel like reading it again. I'll second that. I think I'm going to start a re-read tonight. Rika, thank you for those pictures on our old homestead.

IMO, I liked it better than BJD. Of course, I read them both within the same 24hour sitting. Ah, finals week, it's not just for studying anymore! LizBeth

(LizBeth) Ah, finals week, it's not just for studying anymore! Ah, the exquisite irony, as I sit here reading Drool when I'm supposed to be writing the midterm exam I'm giving on Tuesday.

(LizBeth) Ah, finals week, it's not just for studying anymore! (Rika) Ah, the exquisite irony, as I sit here reading Drool when I'm supposed to be writing the midterm exam I'm giving on Tuesday. It would seem higher education has improved since my last experience with it!!

(Evelyn)Don't blame her for asking for more money. Me neither, she'd be foolish not to. Without her, they don't have a movie. BJD earned $208 million worldwide in box office--and that doesn't count video, DVD, or TV broadcasting rights. This franchise is a license to print money.

I am curious to see what Colin is able to negotiate. Scratch that, I would lovce to know what he will get for it. We know HG had secured points too. He's the one that's made the most last time and naturally, both RZ and CF will have to compete. I wonder what HF is waiting form to write another BJD?

(Evelyn)Don't blame her for asking for more money. (Mari)Me neither, she'd be foolish not to Don't you know WT is furious to have to deal with Hollywood types.They're used to paying the British actors pittance.I am sure CF's sticker price has gone up...if he's firm. But RZ is crucial...they could write the guys out...but she's pivotal. (No fire alarms...I'm not out to cut Colin out...Trust me.)

(Evelyn)Don't blame her for asking for more money. Of course she should get what she wants. Not to mention she is pivotal to the remake. Agree with Evelyn without here there is none. Hope all get a really fair shake from what is sure to be another extremely, very profitable experience. They'd be foolish not to, and to accept the excuse that English films pay pittance is pathetic in this day and age. The money is made world-wide and contracts should be based on that. I hope they all go for profits from video and DVD sales. They'd be foolish not to. This could be enough to prompt HF to her third book. Let's hope so. I'd like to see what happens to Bridget later on, unless of course they decide to take care of that in this screen play. You never know. But am so happy its finally coming to fruition. Can't wait to see it. Thanks Mari and Sharon for report.

From UPI. No news but some new quotes: FIRTH WON'T PLAY FIRTH IN 'BRIDGET 2' British actor Colin Firth says if he co-stars in a sequel to the smash romantic comedy, "Bridget Jones's Diary," which was based on the book of the same name, he will reprise his role as the austere, yet sexy attorney, Mark Darcy. He says, however, he will not play a character based on himself as appears in novelist Helen Fielding's follow-up, "Bridget Jones: Edge of Reason." Noting that Colin Firth, star of the British Broadcasting Corp. version of "Pride and Prejudice" and object of the fictional Jones' obsession, is an actual character in Fielding's second Bridget adventure, Firth swore that part of the book will not be transferred to the big screen. "He'll become George Clooney or something," he told United Press International. The actor then revealed he helped Fielding pen the hilarious scene in the book where Jones makes a fool out of herself interviewing none other than Colin Firth. First, the actor inspired Fielding by recalling some of his worst encounters with the press. Then, he and the author acted out the interview scene with Fielding as Jones asking Firth, as Firth, inane questions like, "What is your favorite color?" and "How many times did you have to change your shirt while filming 'Pride and Prejudice'?" Asked if he has ever had an interview go quite that badly, Firth exclaimed, "Oh, I would say so." "I've had much worse experiences than that. The worst ones, actually, are the ones that seem to go very well until you read it afterwards," he confessed. "It's like you weren't (at the same interview) and this smiling, friendly person in front of you had obviously loathed you." The World Entertainment News Network reported Renee Zellweger was close to inking a deal to reprise her role of Bridget in a sequel. Her performance in the original movie earned her an Academy Award nomination last year.

Good one, Mari. Interesting to hear about the source of the questions. I'd always thought HF came up with the wetting the shirt one, along with one about his Italian girlfriend. ;-)

(Karen), I'd always thought HF came up with the wetting the shirt one, along with one about his Italian girlfriend. ;-) So then the rest was made up by Colin? He has a writer's itch. ;-)

The actor then revealed he helped Fielding pen the hilarious scene in the book where Jones makes a fool out of herself interviewing none other than Colin Firth. I liked it more when I thought the interview in the book was a surprise to him!

Thanks Mari, this is one of my favorite parts of the book. An excellent collaboration between character and author. Well done.

I don't get the impression that he made up the questions--he probably just got her rolling by relating some press stupidity he'd encountered over the years. I wonder why UPI interviewed him now? Maybe he's over here doing magazine interviews/photos for London Calling promo. They usually need a few months lead time.

(Mari) Maybe he's over here doing magazine interviews/photos for London Calling promo Should I be on the lookout when in the city? ;)

Maybe she could interview Tim Pigott-Smith (The Jewel In The Crown, The Remains Of The Day, etc. http://us.imdb.com/Name?Pigott-Smith,+Tim ) or Nigel Havers (The Charmer, Chariots Of Fire, and now Manchild; http://us.imdb.com/Name?Havers,+Nigel )...

Think I'll hang in there with George Clooney.

What about John Cleese?

Why not George Clooney? He may not be the best actor but he is well-known and would be a good interview target for Bridget. The two you mentioned are not well-known in the US and film-goers wouldn't get the point of the scene, whicn is that Bridget gets so flustered over interviewing Colin Firth the famous and sexy actor that she messes up the interview. And George Clooney is a handsome charmer who could pull it off. I can just see him playing the scene with a twinkle in his eye and charming the pants off Bridget (not like Colin could, I hasten to add).

(Sam Blob) Maybe she could interview Tim Pigott-Smith (The Jewel In The Crown, The Remains Of The Day, etc. He always gave me the creeps! :-( Can't imagine anyone having a crush on him, which is necessary for the scene to work, IMO.

I think the whole irony of the book is ruined if she doesn't interview Colin Firth. The whole thing about Bridget meeting a Mr. Darcy and his having the same qualities as Jane Austen's Mr. Darcy; then Colin Firth portrays him with absolute perfection and her absolute misidentification of the two men CF/FwD is the humor of it all. Who cares about George Clooney?

Laura: I think the whole irony of the book is ruined if she doesn't interview Colin Firth. The whole thing about Bridget meeting a Mr. Darcy and his having the same qualities as Jane Austen's Mr. Darcy; then Colin Firth portrays him with absolute perfection and her absolute misidentification of the two men CF/FwD is the humor of it all. I agree, but Colin has said he doesn't want to play himself in that scene, hasn't he? So I'm sure if they want him to do TEOR, they'll have to find someone else, and so George Clooney enters the picture, so to speak.

(Laura)Who cares about George Clooney? Many millions worldwide. Me included.;-) Except for very fleeting references, they never laid the P&P/Mr. Darcy foundation in the first movie so they're not about to do it in EOR--which will be released about 8 years after the show first aired. So fuggedaboudit.;-) Sam Blob, we surveyed 1,000 women about your suggestions. 99% never heard of Tom Pigott-Smith, 98% never heard of Nigel Havers, 92% did hear of John Cleese and think he's funny but can't for the life of them figure out why BJ would have a fluster-inducing crush on him.;-)

What about having Jonathan Firth play Colin Firth? I think it'd be perfect (a parody!)

What about having Jonathan Firth play Colin Firth? Nah! Jon is not in on the joke. Besides, George Clooney is better. :-D

(Mari) Sam Blob, we surveyed 1,000 women about your suggestions. 99% never heard of Tom Pigott-Smith, 98% never heard of Nigel Havers, 92% did hear of John Cleese and think he's funny but can't for the life of them figure out why BJ would have a fluster-inducing crush on him. LOL I've got to stop reading this at work; I almost spilt my tea on my keyboard. (LauraM) What about having Jonathan Firth play Colin Firth? I think it'd be perfect (a parody!) What's wrong with Clooney? He's funny and personable and can carry it off. Besides he's more well-known than Jonathan and I'm sure 95% of American audiences wouldn't get the inside joke if they used Jonathan. Let's face it, what we find funny in that scene would fall flat for most of the people in the US who would see it. Out of all of my friends, relatives and acquaitances I can only count two who have seen P&P although more saw BJD. I'm trying to win more converts, though!

He's funny and personable and can carry it off. Yes to all of the above! And, I'd like to hear from people in the UK on this, but my impression is that Clooney is far more well-known there than Colin is. Not a knock on ODB whatsoever, just an observation. Another consideration is that fully one-third of the box office for BJD came from outside the US and the UK. Major movies nowadays are tailored to a worldwide market.

(Laura) I think the whole irony of the book is ruined if she doesn't interview Colin Firth.... I agree as it was so well done in the book, and think it also was the point. However, if it comes down to the two rolls, I'd much rather have the screen time with Mark Darcy. Also agree that Clooney would be well known worldwide and an attraction. Also he has a good sense of humor and would give Bridget a run for her money. Unless of course they could get Pierce Brosnan, but I doubt it. Wouldn't mind seeing him interviewed by Bridget.

(FanPam)Unless of course they could get Pierce Brosnan I was thinking about him, today. I can imagine him playing it very much like Colin would if he were doing the interview scene. Flustered, annoyed, slightly amused at how nutty Bridget is, and an overall-I just want to get out of here now attitude. I like George Clooney, but I think Pierce would be just as good if not better, IMO, of course. As much as I would have loved to see Colin do both, I don't think most would get the inside joke and the P&P connection. Here at Drool, we live and breathe the connection everyday, it comes natural to us, but not for the rest.

(Laura) I think the whole irony of the book is ruined if she doesn't interview Colin Firth. This is the movie.... (FanPam)Unless of course they could get Pierce Brosnan Not young enough... I prefer Georgie-poo.

I agree w/ Evelyn that G. Clooney is the right age. Nothing against Pierce Brosnan, but I somehow don't see Bridget going ga-ga over him; maybe it's because he seems a bit old for her. I think George will be better.

I would think the problem will be finding someone suitable who is willing to do a cameo (and doesn't ask kazillions of $ to do it). I love GC and PB, so either would be great, IMO. I can think of others who are swoon-worthy, but probably not well-known enough worldwide. Probably the most perfect candidate I can think of (from a Bridget goes gaga standpoint) would be Brad Pitt, who I personally don't care for that much, but apparently millions of women do.

I had been in the 'Colin should play himself AND Mark Darcy Camp' but now I'm not so sure. Modern day books are *never* made as they were written, and many times the original story is barely recognizable. Think of BJD and how the ending and many other bits were changed. (Sometimes I think that hectic ending with Mrs. Jones coming downstairs for Christmas dinner with her bouse on inside out would have been a hoot.) So, I guess my point is, it will probably turn out just as good. And, how many movie goers will have read TEOR anyway??? I haven't read it yet. Someone put up a quote a few days ago that was originally when Colin, during an interview, threw out the name GC. Has anyone else connected with the project ever mentioned GC seriously? I kind of got the impression from reading the excert that it was off the top of his head to say him, like it could be anyone. They filmmakers may not have even gotten to that part of it all yet.

Hi there. It's been quite a while since I've posted anything, but I've been enjoying the posts. Re: Who could play the interviewee... While I'd LOVE ODB to do it I agree that it would be to much an inside joke. So, who could get Bridget all drooly and flustered, is not too old, and has a good recognition factor in the US, UK AND worldwide?? If he's not there yet, I think it's a short time before Hugh Jackman could fit that description. Could she have gotten hooked on his Curly (would Bridget even go see a musical?? (He did win the Olivier after all.) Or maybe she fell for him in Kate and Leopold? Not a terrific flick, but he DOES fill a set of breeches rather nicely, no? Or is X-Men or Swordfish more her speed?? I personally an looking forward to The Boy From OZ making it to Broadway, and was disappointed that he wasn't able to reprise Curly in Oklahoma! here.

I just had a wine-induced inspiration - why not Richard Gere? He's international recognized as someone who can soak the panties of women from ages 20 - 120. No contest, but maybe too pricey? I have friends who are lesbians who would denounce their faith for him. LizBeth

(Kathy C) Not a terrific flick, but he DOES fill a set of breeches rather nicely, no? Oh yes, he does! Makes K&L worth watching (more than once)! :-) (LizBeth) why not Richard Gere? He's international recognized as someone who can soak the panties of women from ages 20 - 120. No contest, but maybe too pricey? I have friends who are lesbians who would denounce their faith for him. A most persuasive argument, and he HAS aged well! Like fine wine. However, he always seems so in-control (in interviews, at least) that I can't imagine him getting the least bit ruffled or annoyed.

Sorry, truth in advertizing alert. Hugh Jackman was NOMINATED for the Olivier for his Curly in Oklahoma!.

(LizBeth) He's international recognized as someone who can soak the panties of women from ages 20 - 120. No contest, but maybe too pricey? I have friends who are lesbians who would denounce their faith for him. You had me going there for a minute, he can do "bemused" as good as anyone, but I keep coming back to George Clooney. He has a high "fun" factor. RG is married now and that takes something away. I KNOW, CF is too and I think it even factored in the book interview but (decidedly) single without explanation might play better. If it can't be CF, I want to see GC's eyes crinkle in amusement. The one thing I am glad of, is I've not heard anyone want to venture into any Risky Business and make a Mission Impossible out of it. After all, there are more than A Few Good Men. (Won't even say the name...bad karma)

(Barb S)(Won't even say the name...bad karma) Oh, good point. How much money d'ya think we'd need to bribe them to put a version of the interview with CF and the dialogue from the book on the DVD as one of the extras? I know, I know, won't happen..... but wouldn't it be lovely?

(Rika) I know, I know, won't happen..... but wouldn't it be lovely? We can always dream. I was a big supporter of the CF interview...will be very sad that it is not in the movie, but can understand the reasons for having someone else do it. I think GC is a perfect 'second best'. He is very funny when interviewed and very recognizable. I thought that he was already 'a sure thing' (or very close to it) in regards to doing it...(or am I just confused because he was mentioned by CF?? I thought Andrew Davies also said something about it though....)

Hi, I'm new here, but have spent months catching up on all the reading. Just a thought (my wish) - what about B interviewing MR D?

Welcome, Leigh! And welcome back KathyC! (Leigh), Hi, I'm new here, but have spent months catching up on all the reading. Just a thought (my wish) - what about B interviewing MR D? Can you be more specific? (Lisa), Colin, during an interview, threw out the name GC. Has anyone else connected with the project ever mentioned GC seriously? It was mentioned in an article posted here not so long ago. GC has definitely heard about it by now. I can see Hugh Jackson but not Richard Gere.

Hugh Jackman - Moon. If it ain't going to be ODB playing ODB - I'd go along and cast my vote for GC - will have boxoffice pull more than Hugh Jackman....but wonder whether the combined presence of HG and GC sink ODB's? Hello all - like KathyC, have dropped back in too. I see we've had some "renovations" and "additions" done to the CoolDrool place. Glad to see the humour and the wit are still first class from all. Off now to to do some heavy drooling and revision at the other threads.

(Minkee) wonder whether the combined presence of HG and GC sink ODB's? I don't think necessarily, Minkee. GC did a 3 scene cameo in Welcome to Collinwood and I don't think he overshadowed anyone there. And it wouldn't have been hard in that movie despite the presence of William H. Macy. Welcome Leigh and Kathy C! And nice to see you check in Minkee!

I just had a wine-induced inspiration - why not Richard Gere? You think Pierce Brosnan is old.... Hi Leigh & Kathy C

I'm sticking to my guns and I think that having Colin Firth dressed up as Mr. Darcy (17th century) with the sideburns, etc... it can be pulled off.

(Laura) I think that having Colin Firth dressed up as Mr. Darcy (17th century) with the sideburns, etc... Why would he need to be dressed like that?

(LauraMM) - I think the whole irony of the book is ruined if she doesn't interview Colin Firth. The whole thing about Bridget meeting a Mr. Darcy and his having the same qualities as Jane Austen's Mr. Darcy; then Colin Firth portrays him with absolute perfection and her absolute misidentification of the two men CF/FwD is the humor of it all. Laura, I'm with you...Why can't they just play with camera angles, showing mainly the back of his head and mainly showing BJ's face, we would still have the voice...There is no suitable substitie IMHO...

Why can't they? Because *he* won't do it. He's made that very obvious in his interviews and also by the elimination of any reference to him or to the character in the first movie.

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FYI, Al Fore is just a trouble-making troll that plagues various conferences. I've asked Terry to delink this topic from movies so that he won't be posting here as well. It is best not to answer him, as he has no interest in this topic or knowledge.

How about Jonathan Firth playing Colin Firth who gave the adored portrayal of Mr. Darcy? I much prefer either Richard Gere or Hugh Jackman; I almost forgot Pierce Brosnan who was also mentioned, to that lumox, George Clooney. Still, I'm probably in a minority in not liking GC, many people do which can translate in to box office, as noted.

(Tress) I think GC is a perfect 'second best'...I thought that he was already 'a sure thing' (or very close to it) in regards to doing it...(or am I just confused because he was mentioned by CF? No, you are correct. It very likely is a 'a sure thing.' The information that was in the news probably came from GC's publicist. However, expect others, like Colin or AD, to hedge, as it is *not* their role to issue such info. That belongs to the studio.

I still think that HE should rethink the whole idea. It's funny. Why can't he just be humble and do it? It's an extremely funny scene in the book. The reason why I say he should be dressed as Mr. Fitz Darcy is because that is how Bridget treated him as Mr. Darcy and NOT Colin Firth. Get it???

Well, of course we get it. But HE wants to shake off Darcy and has been adamant about not doing the scene. I don't think it's a matter of pride so much as he'd like to be remembered for other roles besides Mr. Darcy.

It has less to do with that then it's not appropriate for an actor at this stage in his career. When he's in his 70s or 80s, then it's OK to do a parody of oneself.

LOL Karen I had just typed a post to say the same thing and lost it. I even had parody in the text. I think it's a smart move on his part. He knows when enough is enough.

I can only think of one exception and that would be if he hosted Saturday Night Live. ;-)

I'm laughing at the very thought, Karen! And if P&P had been the phenomenon here that it was in England, that might have been a possibility back then. I can see him now coming out to do the intro, sopping wet, with oversized mutton-chop sideburns. (Though I find myself building the episode in my mind with the 1970's cast, which I guess shows my age. I'm presently imagining John Belushi as Mr. Darcy's "Samurai Valet".) I agree about the interview. Much as I'd love to get the chance to see it, and much as I hate to cede any screen time to yet another well-known actor (especially when they've got to fit HG into this movie too, grumble, grumble), it makes sense for them to line up someone else. HEY! Maybe HG could do the interview, and then they could leave Daniel out of the movie but still advertise that HG was in it. :-)

Rika, I thought about HG doing it and then losing the Daniel character too. I mean would any of you even THINK about going back to Daniel after Mark?? Oh, wait, we're talking about the brilliant one who made him wait while she went for some genuinely tiny knickers (v. v. silly girl!!) Karen, why did no one tell William Shatner about the age limits on self-parody?? Can you switch channels quickly enough when one of his Priceline commercials come on?

(Kathy C) I personally am looking forward to The Boy From OZ... I was "askeert" there for a minute until I realized you weren't talking about the bigmouthed bratty Oscar-winning Kiwi-born leg-over merchant. (Put down the guitar, back away from the barbecue...) I adore Mr. Jackman, myself, but if it can't be CF then I must admit I don't much care, as long as he's not overtly objectionable. Welcome (or back as the case may be) to Kathy C and Leigh! This one looks somewhat Mark Darcy-like, so ought to be topical enough.

Ah Elizabeth, one of my favorite pictures...positively dimplicious!

Elizabeth, You posted one of my all-time favourite CF pics! Ummm, let's see to stay on topic, was he at the BJD premire in this??? (Insert contrite winkie)

(Elizabeth S) This one looks somewhat Mark Darcy-like, so ought to be topical enough. It should look Mark Darcy-ish -- this was the RV premiere to which he was late because he was filming BJD too, that night.

Oh, that was the night they were filming the Kafka's Motorbike party, right? (Barb S) dimplicious! I love what Drool has done for my vocabulary. (Kattas) I mean would any of you even THINK about going back to Daniel after Mark?? That's one thing I like about TEOR. She thinks about it, but only in a moment of weakness, and she reaches the right conclusion pretty quickly.

Thanks for the picture Elizabeth. It's a good one. Can understand why Colin doesn't want to do interview. It would be making a parody of himself and he doesn't want that. And as everyone has said alot of people would not get it, so it's better off being done with someone else that more people would know.

(Rika)HEY! Maybe HG could do the interview, and then they could leave Daniel out of the movie but still advertise that HG was in it. :-) Positively brilliant, Rika. Somehow though, I don't think HG would agree. However, he did say in an interview (during his AAB publicity) that maybe they shouldn't do the sequel-he said it would be like putting on a wet bathing suit. Perhaps a cameo would appeal to him. Bridget could trip him, and they could have him falling into the fountain.

LauraM),I still think that HE should rethink the whole idea. It's funny. Why can't he just be humble and do it? Let's not forget that Colin almost did not sign to play MD. It was torture back then to think that he would not sign because it was such an in-joke. (Karen), It has less to do with that then it's not appropriate for an actor at this stage in his career. When he's in his 70s or 80s, then it's OK to do a parody of oneself. I don't see it that way. I always thought that he could go as Paul, the FP slob. It would be a contrast to proper MD. It can be done. He doesn't want to, and IMO, he's wrong.

(Laura) I think that having Colin Firth dressed up as Mr. Darcy (17th century) with the sideburns, etc... (Dorine)Why would he need to be dressed like that? Yeah...around Trevi Fountain?Giving Bridge a tour of Rome in that get- up...please. (Moon). I always thought that he could go as Paul, the FP slob... On the other hand, if he did Paul the slob, and Allen Portland, the ED jerk,he could do elegant Darcy.

(Evelyn), Yeah...around Trevi Fountain?Giving Bridge a tour of Rome in that get- up...please. LOL! We would demand that he enter the Trevi Fountain and give us the white shirt all over again! ;-)

EOR reference - there is a program on Channel 4 in the UK tonight all about IF by Kipling, I had no idea of its popularity in this country... 8:30 'The Art Show' The enduring appeal of Rudyard Kipling's famous 1910 work If, which was written at the tail-end of the British Empire and was recently voted the nation's favourite poem. The programme follows contemporary writers Bunmi Ogunsiji, Sophie Wooley, Owen Sheers and Selima Hill as they attempt to create their own 21st-century versions of the celebrated work. Wonder if they will mention that great work we read it in...

(Emma)Wonder if they will mention that great work we read it in... Maybe they will, another scene from the book that I hope they leave in.

lindak: Maybe they will... Alas no - it was a serious poetry show about modern reworkings inspired by Kipling. Interesting though. I really like the inclusion of that poem as well - though I get a little confused as to how MD thought it was a note and not the poem he gave Bridget. It's good inspiration for her, all except for the 'you'll be a man, my son!' part - but it was a certain time when it was written I suppose.

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(LindaK, expanding on my suggestion for HG in TEOR) Perhaps a cameo would appeal to him. Bridget could trip him, and they could have him falling into the fountain. Do you think if we took up a big enough collection this could really happen? I'd pay a fair amount of money to see this!

Don't know how reliable this is, but I found this: http://www.videoeta.com/news/1284 If you click on the Bridget Jones 2 link, you will see George Clooney and ODB listed, but not Hugh Grant.

Movies.com has EOR listed with Colin, Renee, Hugh and George Clooney ("rumoured") being in the cast: http://movies.go.com/movies/B/bridgetjonestheedgeofreason_2003/index.html The Internet Movie Database only has the title up, nothing about the cast yet, but I've found IMDB to be slow about updating its listings.

(Rika)I'd pay a fair amount of money to see this! I'd pay extra.

OK, I'm now sold on the Clooney idea. They ran video clips on the huge outdoor screens during the rain delay at the race I attended today, and you should have heard the pack of women behind me oooh and ahhh when he appeared on screen in the "Man of Constant Sorrow" video. If it'll get more paying customers out to see the movie, he'll do just fine. Now if only CF would get a percentage too...

Okay, I'm back after the weekend. My wish to see Bridge interview Mr D (P&P2) is going to remain in my dreams then!?

(Tress) Don't know how reliable this is Given that it says Miramax, I'd say not very. Remember, many of these websites (e.g., the IMDB) use information provided by people like you and me, so they are not terribly authoritative and frequently uncurrent.

I'm almost finished re-reading TEoR. I am surprised at all the ER, and Clooney references in there that I missed the first time. I guess that's one of the reasons his name came up in the first place. Duh! *slapping self*

LOL, Linda! I wonder who HF has a crush on now? ;-)

I was just over at Murph's page and saw the close-up of the ending kiss in BJD...didn 't realize her little hand was on his chin....sweet.

Thank you Evelyn (and Mary)! I noticed the hand going to the chin a while back...one of my favorite little things about that scene. I just love the coat sharing....Gawd! The moment when he opens up his coat to invite her in (good thing I'm sitting down)...it's still early here, so this is a great way to start my day.

(Tress)one of my favorite little things about that scene Must we talk about the ending scene of BJD? You all know what it does to me. Please, am v. important and have work to do.:-)) Thank you Evelyn, for mixing up my priorities yet again. Seems to happen to me at least once a day around here.

This is one of my favorite scenes too. I watch it over and over and then can't talk for a while. Does amazing things to me too, Linda.

As we were going out of the theatre after seeing BJD, I overheard one woman sayto her husband,'Now why can't you be like that?' Must say that scene still has the power to make me feel tingly all over.

(Kattas) As we were going out of the theatre after seeing BJD, I overheard one woman sayto her husband,'Now why can't you be like that?' Poor guy - what an impossible standard to live up to!

As I mentioned the other day, I'm re-reading TEoR. Just discovered that there is a second towel scene. I almost like this one better than the first (if that's possible)This one I hope they must leave in. It's when he is in the bath at Bridget's and Daniel comes by, drunk. Marc jumps out of the bath and punches out Daniel. There is even a reference that the towel almost slips off. Can you imagine...HG getting his lights put out by a dripping wet, towel clad, CF. I can't believe, how much I just glossed over the first time I read this.

Sadly, I have to point out that decking him as he comes around drunk is very much like the BDJ scene. Do you think they'd keep it?

Actually, I'd much rather they kept the first towel scene in Mark's kitchen than the fight with Daniel. You're right, a second fight would not go over well, IMHO.

It wasn't a fight,like in BJD. Mark just punches him, and then apologizes, Daniel leaves. I'm more interested in the towel, the bath, and the scene that follows,not the punch.

Linda, are you thinking of the naked scene as a towel scene, where (towards the end) they are both screaming at each other in surprise? 'Cause HF clearly uses the word NAKED in that scene. (Have page ear-marked and "Naked" underlined.) Hope you didn't miss that because it is a key scene for me - I know CF won't do it the way it's written, but it sure is nice thinking about it. Must go watch "The Advocate" and get in proper frame of mind.) LizBeth

(Kattas) Actually, I'd much rather they kept the first towel scene in Mark's kitchen than the fight with Daniel. You're right, a second fight would not go over well, IMHO. (lindak) I'm more interested in the towel, the bath, and the scene that follows,not the punch. (LizBeth) Linda, are you thinking of the naked scene as a towel scene, where (towards the end) they are both screaming at each other in surprise? 'Cause HF clearly uses the word NAKED in that scene. The kitchen scene was definitely nekk'd. The towel scene at the end can lose the punch, but I want the rest to stay!!! The part with the police coming to Bridget's rescue because she was 'frantically pressing the panic button' is hilarious!

(Kattas) Actually, I'd much rather they kept the first towel scene in Mark's kitchen than the fight with Daniel. The first towel scene is at Rebecca's weekend party, you know, when he's striding around in barrister mode, trying to deal with having walked in on Bridget kissing the Whippersnapper.

The towel scene that Linda is thinking of is later on. The kitchen scene is at Mark's house while she's staying there while they try to figure out who sent her the bullet. Once Gary the Builder has been apprehended, they go back to Bridget's, Mark takes a bath, and Daniel shows up. Mark bounds down the stairs in a towel and punches Daniel in the nose. No fight, actually - just one punch and Daniel's down. There's a third towel scene too, now that I think of it. Later that night when the police answer the "panic button" Mark goes to the door wrapped in a towel.

(Rika)There's a third towel scene too You're right Rika, but I re-read the bath scene, doesn't say anything about a towel, he just goes down the stairs and hits Daniel. I assumed he had a towel because he was in the bath. The scene that comes later, he wraps a towel around himself, because of the panic button, he and Bridget were having a shag..

(Karen) The first towel scene is at Rebecca's weekend party, you know, when he's striding around in barrister mode, trying to deal with having walked in on Bridget kissing the Whippersnapper. I completely forgot about that part of the book (I really need to re-read it). (Rika)There's a third towel scene too (lindak) You're right Rika, but I re-read the bath scene, doesn't say anything about a towel, he just goes down the stairs and hits Daniel. It keeps getting better...they can't possibly cut out THREE towel scenes! They have to give us at least one! I know, I know....he won't do it...but we can dream. ;-) (lindak) The scene that comes later, he wraps a towel around himself, because of the panic button, he and Bridget were having a shag.. And as the police leave, the towel begins to slip...HF must have been in full blown CF obsession mode when she wrote this stuff (lucky us)! ;-)

I'm praying for at least one towel scene but he seems to be reluctant. And even if he does consent, lets hope it doesn't end up on the cutting room floor as so much of the good stuff does. Any towel scenes in WSAGW? Just hoping.

Linda, you're right about the Mark-bounds-down-the-stairs scene. It actually doesn't say what he's wearing - I've just always imagined MD in a towel there. I wonder why? :-) (Pam) Any towel scenes in WSAGW? Just hoping. I assume you mean WAGW. Seems verrrrrry unlikely.

(Rika)I've just always imagined MD in a towel there. I wonder why? :-) I think it's called the power of positive thinking. I, too assumed he was wearing a towel, because of the bath. Hey, maybe he went down nekkid but, I think Bridget would have told us that.

Leaving the towel behind for a moment... don't we all wish he WOULD leave the towel behind... Wait, where was I? My mind seems to have wandered. Anyway, I read today that GC's new movie Solaris is expected to get an R rating because of a certain male actor's naked posterior. If Bridget is made to be as nuts over GC as she was (quite rightly) over ODB imagine the interview when she ends up questioning him about THAT scene. It could have possibilities.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but do you think they will refilm the lake scene with GC so it can be in TEOR? Just rereading TEOR and seems crucial to have the video in the movie...

Somebody is going to HAVE to do a wet shirt scene - the *whole* interview is about the shirt - and the wetness of it. Lets hope...

(MariaT)Sorry if this has already been discussed, but do you think they will refilm the lake scene with GC so it can be in TEOR? Just rereading TEOR and seems crucial to have the video in the movie... Well, they'd have to make some reference to something GC's been in (or they could make something up). Doesn't have to be P&P. Remember they didn't refer to the BBC production of P&P or Colin Firth as an object of Bridget's obsession in the first film.

I doubt they would try to fit GC into the Darcy/P&P premise. All they need to do is convey fixation with any GC scene in any video (even potentially manufactured for the purpose.) And then for the interview, all she needs to do is be star-struck and hit a topic single-mindedly. If GC would let them use it, they have the perfect set-up, former girl friend Celine Balitran just commented on his skill as a lover, I forget what she said exactly, but I believe the word shattering was used: BJ: Do you have any comment on the remarks by former girlfriend (whatever) that you were a "shattering" lover? GC: (embarrassed laugh) Um, no, I guess, well, I'm certainly gratified by the praise, but let's just say I'm not a "kiss-and-tell" kind of guy. BJ: You're gratified? (whispered aside--Sounds more like she was.) OK then, let's see, your next project...umm...shattering hmmm? (Pause) You know, I was just wondering, if you WERE shattering, what is it you DID, do you suppose, that made you shattering? GC: (beginning to look uncomfortable)... OK, I'll stop now, I'm beginning to have too much fun with this, but you see what I mean. As much as it adds to the humor and irony for all of us, if GC in the role has any echo of CF or P&P, I will be amazed.

Now I understand.

(BarbS)BJ: Do you have any comment on the remarks by former girlfriend (whatever) that you were a "shattering" lover? GC: (embarrassed laugh) Um, no, I guess, well, I'm certainly gratified by the praise, but let's just say I'm not a "kiss-and-tell" kind of guy. BJ: You're gratified? (whispered aside--Sounds more like she was.) OK then, let's see, your next project...umm...shattering hmmm? (Pause) You know, I was just wondering, if you WERE shattering, what is it you DID, do you suppose, that made you shattering? GC: (beginning to look uncomfortable)... LOL! Way to go Barb! I like your tack...Leave GC to be GC without trying to echo any hint of CF...Hey, they watch videos of ER in the book too so not so far off...

As the 2 subjects of this article has 6 degrees or closer to BJD, I am putting this article here...okay Boss? Published today on the ninemsn website Down here, from "New Weekly" ... Liz lures gorgeous George She's one of the world's sexiest women, he's Hollywood's most eligible bachelor - meet the hottest A-list couple. Actress Liz Hurley is dating George Clooney following a determined campaign to win his heart. The 37-year-old first set her sights on sexy George, 41, shortly after the birth of her son, Damian, in April and now sources say they are the new Hollywood 'It' couple. "We are falling for each other. He's everything I am looking for in a man," Liz has told friends. Dared by a pal, she got George's attention by sending a fax to his office which read, "It's right what they say, you are the sexiest man alive - love Liz xxx." And the move paid off, with sources revealing the pair have enjoyed several romantic dinners since. Just two weeks ago they met at a swanky French restaurant in LA. "They were very close and were whispering all night," reveals an onlooker. "It's early days but there is a definite buzz between them," reports a source close to Liz. "They are enjoying getting to know one another and having a romantic time of it." This follows a tough period in the new mum's life, which left her unsure if she would ever find Mr Right. She has been photographed with a couple of men recently, but insists the guys in question are just good friends. "Liz is really quite man-hungry right now," continues the source. "Ever since she had her baby, she's found it more difficult to meet up with a man who she's attracted to and likes as a potential mate." According to the pal, it was about three weeks ago that the British beauty set about trying to change her luck with the opposite sex. "Liz came across George Clooney's personal phone numbers, including his direct cell, home number, and home and office faxes," explains the friend. "You must remember, Hollywood is a very small town. Everybody who's anybody knows exactly what everyone else is up to." So, egged on by her gal pal, Liz - who's constantly jetting back and forth between London and LA, where George lives - scrawled her flirtatious fax and sent it off. But it nearly all went horribly wrong. Seeing the fax, George's personal assistant - no doubt familiar with love letters being sent to the Hollywood heart-throb - picked it up and read it. She thought the document was sent by another famous Liz - 70-year-old Elizabeth Taylor. Still, despite the age gap, George decided to call the elder Liz. "He had to chuckle when Taylor told him, 'I couldn't possibly have dinner with you - you're too sexy and way too young,'" reveals Clooney's close friend Tommy Hinckley. Fortunately George soon realised the fax was from Liz Hurley and picked up the phone for a second time to arrange a meeting. While they've been spotted enjoying each other's company on a number of occasions since, the pair are yet to be photographed together, so we mocked up a photo to see how they look as a couple. Liz's friend adds that the Serving Sara star always thought Clooney was totally gorgeous, but was also very aware of his wild reputation. "She's not bothered by that. She knows he's a playboy, so it's not a man of stability she's looking for in him," the source explains. "She knows - bottom line - that a night out with George would be fun." While they're both similarly wealthy and attractive, the odds are out on whether this relationship will last. A confirmed bachelor, the Ocean's Eleven star has been linked to a string of women, including Renee Zellweger and French model Celine Balitran, but has reportedly vowed never to tie the knot again (he was married to actress Talia Balsam for three years) or have children. Meanwhile, Liz is well known for her shaky relationships, which have included British actor Hugh Grant and American billionaire Steve Bing, who is also the father of her child.

(Minkee) Actress Liz Hurley is dating George Clooney following a determined campaign to win his heart. A confirmed bachelor, the Ocean's Eleven star has been linked to a string of women, including Renee Zellweger... ...Liz is well known for her shaky relationships, which have included British actor Hugh Grant... Thanks for the article Minkee! LOL...should everyone sign for TEoR, the set could be real cozy! All those exs. It has the potential to be like the set of the Jerry Springer show!! And Barb! You should be a screenwriter. Your GC interview is v. v. funny!

"...She knows he's a playboy, so it's not a man of stability she's looking for in him," Well I'm sure the baby would find *that* reassuring for his future. Thanks, Minkee. Hey, don't be a stranger! :-)

Another topic option for the GC interview could be the bathtub scene from Out of Sight. Talk of naked GC to distract BJ? A possibility... (Tress) should everyone sign for TEoR, the set could be real cozy! LOL! My thoughts, exactly!

And GC did do one at least one wet-shirt scene on ER - the time Ross rescued the kid in the water.

(Moonstar)Another topic option for the GC interview could be the bathtub scene from Out of Sight. Or the locked-in-the-car-trunk with J.Lo scene! Hot stuff . . . Enjoyed your script, Barb! "...She knows he's a playboy, so it's not a man of stability she's looking for in him," (Dorine)Well I'm sure the baby would find *that* reassuring for his future. Pfft! My thoughts exactly. The 37-year-old first set her sights on sexy George, 41, shortly after the birth of her son, Damian, in April Yup, that would the first thing on the typical woman's mind too after giving birth. "Let's see if I can hook up with yet another man who won't marry me."

"Liz came across George Clooney's personal phone numbers, including his direct cell, home number, and home and office faxes," explains the friend. Oh, please! Came across? LOL! Still, despite the age gap, George decided to call the elder Liz. "He had to chuckle when Taylor told him, 'I couldn't possibly have dinner with you - you're too sexy and way too young,'" That's a cute story. But I am surprised at LT. Go for it girl! LOL! Thanks, Minkee!

"Liz came across George Clooney's personal phone numbers, including his direct cell, home number, and home and office faxes," explains the friend. (Moon) Oh, please! Came across? LOL! LOL...this is happening to me all the time! I go home after work or going out and I find fax and cell numbers of famous people stuffed into my pockets and in my purse! I just hate that! Wish they would stop hiding them on my person! Funny they don't return my calls... ;-D

I've been worried about the interview scene, especially after re-reading TEoR. I thought,(horrors), maybe they would just throw out the whole scene. First, because when Bridget is sent on the interview she's specifically told to interview CF about his new movie, FP. She then lapses into the whole Darcy/wet shirt thing, with CF becoming very uncomfortable. I kept thinking this is hilarious for a number of reasons, but mostly because it mirrors real life so well with CF trying to shake the Darcy factor. Look at all the articles, even recently, about him that have Darcy in the title. I felt if CF didn't do the interview then the humor of it all would be lost until......I read Barb's version with GC. Now, I know it can work. They do watch ER videos all the time in the book, the P&P viewings could easily be transfered to ER. Thanks, Barb, you've given me a new perspective.

(Linda) I read Barb's version with GC. Now, I know it can work...Thanks, Barb, you've given me a new perspective. Thank you but actually I'm v. sorry to hear that. Actually, I WAS having too much fun with it and did some of my own fixating. Once I'm done channeling BJ and I get leave to subvert our fan fiction topic, I might post the results. And I'm ashamed to say, I could not leave out "echoes" of ODB....maybe, if the interview can't be the way it was written, it will bridge the gap.

Barb, if you're worried about putting it on fanfic, just post it here! I'm sure you'd get no complaints!

(BarbS) I might post the results Barb, please don't say *might*! You must! I'm glad you're channeling BJ. The tidbit you gave us this morning was very good and I want more...(please)... ;-)

Thanks Barb for a very very funny scenario. Let's hope the EoR writers are as clever. Thanks for a really interesting item Minkee. LH seems to have a one tract mind where men are concerned.

You're welcome! Glad I could contribute something in return for hundreds of hours of entertainment from you guys. (Dorine) Thanks, Minkee. Hey, don't be a stranger! :-) Come over to O&E - I'll tell you about being a stranger

An excerpt from an article about RZ's body double, sent to me by Aishling. I'll post the whole thing (which is v. interesting) later at The Bucket: Of course, one of the greatest perks of the job was working with Hugh Grant and Colin Firth. 'They're both lovely men,' Melinda admits. 'When I first met Colin, I thought, "Oh no, you can't be married with children. It's just not fair!" He really is everyone's ideal man. He is level-headed and easy to talk to, and was encouraging when I told him how much I wanted to act myself. But he was more reserved than Hugh,' who, according to Melinda, seemed similar to his alter ego Daniel Cleaver. 'Or, at least, that was my perception of him....

v. interesting - thanks, Karen! Looking forward to reading the whole thing. He really is everyone's ideal man. Cloning is looking more and more necessary all the time.

(Melinda)He really is everyone's ideal man. Hey Rika, maybe he is perfect after all;-) Thank you, Karen for the exerpt, I look forward to reading it on The Bucket.

Thanks Aishling...glad you're still out there sleuthing...

He is level-headed and easy to talk to... As I suspected. Of course the ladies from TDoR could vouch for that I would expect. It is nice to hear poeple who have had contact with him in a 'working' environment say things like that. Better, stop, getting off topic.

(Melinda) He really is everyone's ideal man. (lindak) Hey Rika, maybe he is perfect after all;-) Truly, a man without fault... ;-)

I've put up the complete article here: http://www.firth.com/bjd/bjdsupp6.html Some staggering revelations if I do say so myself!

Thanks, Karen! Some staggering revelations if I do say so myself! I'm as surprised as you are. Actors are overpaid, IMO.

Thanks Karen! Interesting. I just always assumed it was Renee's writing in the diary (silly me)! And the legs on the scale must have been Melinda as well...she did a good job. She can walk just like Renee! They better tell M soon whether she is to be a size 8 or a size 12 for TEoR....it's easy to pack the pounds on, but harder to take them off....

In the end, Melinda became Ren�e?s body double throughout the film. Spoiler:-(( Melinda) He really is everyone's ideal man. (lindak) Hey Rika, maybe he is perfect after all;-) (KJ)Truly, a man without fault... ;-) "Not always"....

(Ev) "Not always".... That's a quote from Livia, isn't it, as I recall? ;-)

Thanks, Karen! As others have commented, I had no idea body doubles did that much stuff for the stars. I wonder if this is true of lower-budget films too? I suppose it probably is, if the whole point is to get things done faster and thus save money.

Excellent article, thanks so much Karen. I found Melinda's story to be very interesting. It sounds like she spent more time with HG than CF. Now the 'legs running in the snow' scene. That's the full-length backside shot with the sweater flapping behind her? Also want to have another peek at the dogs sniffing scene. Surely if she can't tell where she stops and RZ begins, then I won't either. Also, picked up on gobsmacked, a bit of British lingo to file away for future reference.

Ev) "Not always".... That's a quote from Livia, isn't it, as I recall? ;-) Correct-o. The response to a Firthette who was looking down on ODB from the balcony of the Donmar lobby. She:"Isn't he won-der-ful"? Wife: "Not always" [Isn't that typical?]

(Evelyn) Correct-o. The response to a Firthette who was looking down on ODB from the balcony of the Donmar lobby. She:"Isn't he won-der-ful"? Wife: "Not always" Off topic, but....*In my best Lady Bracknell voice* ... "I am glad to hear it." ODB wouldn't be any fun if he were too perfect. It's much more amusing to mix-it-up a bit every once it a while. Good to hear he keeps LD on her toes (and I hope she does the same for him)! ;-)

Thank you, Karen for the article. V. interesting. (Tress)ODB wouldn't be any fun if he were too perfect Correct. I'd love to know how, when, where, and what "not always" means.

When I saw the credits for BJD last night (I had to check out the doubling-part) I noticed, that ODB had a bodydouble as well. Does anybody know, where he was "used"?

He was used for the same type of thing, where Colin didn't have lines and was shot from the rear. Didn't I post a message here at one time about if we had questions for the double? I know someone who knows him.

Oh my, I have to think. Where, where would he be in the film? Some bits of the fight scene? Surely not when he was running up the stairs?? ;)

(Lisa) Surely not when he was running up the stairs?? ;) Oh, no, certainly not then! We can't have been worshipping the wrong Stairmaster! :-D

(Lisa) Surely not when he was running up the stairs?? ;) (Rika) Oh, no, certainly not then! We can't have been worshipping the wrong Stairmaster! :-D I certainly hope not! I feel the need to go do some extensive research, involving BJD and MLSF (and maybe P&P2 thrown in for good measure)! Oh, the trials of being a Stairmaster student! ;-)

I'm with Rika, it just could not be the stairs-scene. I am afraid, that perhaps he was used "walking in the snow". That would be a big turn-down to me, because I just love his walk, and find that scene v.g. (in fact - it courses (now I'm having trouble spelling again) vibrations). As to the fight scene, I just heard HG today on E saying, that they locked away all the stuntmen and did the entire fight-scene themselves. But, perhaps Karens contact could clear that up?

(Annette) (in fact - it courses (now I'm having trouble spelling again) vibrations). Your spelling is close enough. Causes vibrations, indeed! I can certainly relate.

Kathy Thank you, its nice to know, that you don't have any doubts, as to how my mind hops about. Now, I'm off to Bedfordshire (here it is 0.30 a.m. - thank you Rika).

(Kathy F) involving BJD and MLSF (and maybe P&P2 thrown in for good measure)! Oh, the trials of being a Stairmaster student! ;-) Oh Stairmaster Wonder..pl. don't tell me if you find there was a Mr. Darcy double.

(Annette)I am afraid, that perhaps he was used "walking in the snow". Well I know what Karen said about using the double when he was shot from the rear with no lines...but, I can't imagine that the walking in the snow scene was the double. That walk was too perfect, too CF. IMO, of course. But, yeah, that might have been a good question to ask...Can we still ask? I'm with you Annette, I might not want to know the answer.;-)

ILinda) but, I can't imagine that the walking in the snow scene was the double. That walk was too perfect, too CF. IMO, of course. Agreed. It's just so distinctive - verrrry long stride, arms swinging in just the right way, the sauntering feel to it. If it wasn't him, it was an excellent mimic. Okay, now, in the first scene, that WAS his rear view that Bridget responded to with a "Ding Dong", right? Right? Please? Oh, I don't even like thinking about this.

(Rika) Oh, no, certainly not then! We can't have been worshipping the wrong Stairmaster! :-D (KathyF) I certainly hope not! I feel the need to go do some extensive research, involving BJD and MLSF.... I've been all out of sorts today wondering about where the CF double was used (I know the fight scene. Going through the window, and I understand that need for that)! Okay. I can handle the stairs prior to the discovery of Cleaver and his wife. The hand opening the door was probably the double as well (although, that was a naked HG according to Sharon Maguire). It was probably a hand double stirring the congealed green gundge....but the whisk! Had to be ODB as the camera pans up (I will believe this even if I hear otherwise)...and the snow walk! I don't want to know!!! Had to be ODB. Actually watched BJD today (weather here turned to cr*p and it was the only movie to get me out of my funk). The snow walk had to be ODB...those strides, that swinging coat!! I may never recover if I hear it wasn't him!! :-(

Oh that walk of ODB just has to be him. No double! That walk is too unique to have someone else copy. Those long strides, the arm swinging, I get all verklemped just thinking about it!

Our man on the scene ("Burberry Man") was there the day they shot the fight scene and saw two men, with padding, and wearing the same clothes as CF & HG. Those were "stunt doubles" not body doubles or stand-in, which are used for other purposes. I've never asked specifically which shots, but certainly the hand on the door wouldn't have been Colin's. The snow stride would likely be him, as you saw him from head to toe and you can't mistake that walk. (Rika) in the first scene, that WAS his rear view that Bridget responded to with a "Ding Dong", right? Right? Please? If I had to bet on it, NOT. But I haven't asked.

(Karen)and saw two men, with padding, and wearing the same clothes as CF & HG. Those were "stunt doubles" not body doubles or stand-in, They would have gone through the restaurant window. But the rear view of MD walking away with his jacket over his shoulder had to be ODB.

(Rika) in the first scene, that WAS his rear view that Bridget responded to with a "Ding Dong", right? Right? Please? (Karen) If I had to bet on it, NOT. Was just thinking how silly that would be to have a double for just that little shot, but then I realized how long it can take to film a shot like that and how Colin could be in another part of that set/house filming his dialogue with Bridget or his mother or whatever at the same time. Or somewhere else completely.

But the rear view of MD walking away with his jacket over his shoulder had to be ODB. For sure...he talks and walks, no cut away. And agree with the snow scene. Problem is there aren't that many scenes where he could be doubled. A hand here and there but not too many. And I always wondered, since we are all wondering!, did they fly him to NY to do the shot outside the airport or was it done in the UK? They have American taxis in that shot, don't they?

(Rika) in the first scene, that WAS his rear view that Bridget responded to with a "Ding Dong", right? Right? Please? (Karen) If I had to bet on it, NOT. But I haven't asked. Oh, please...don't tell me I've been 'Ding Donging' the wrong man!!! Aughhhh! ;-( To think I have been staring at that behind thinking it belonged to ODB! To have it be an impostor?!?

It was filmed at Stansted airport. Definitely not an American airport. Times shown are military type and the signage was laughable. ;-)

(Lisa) And I always wondered, since we are all wondering!, did they fly him to NY to do the shot outside the airport or was it done in the UK? They have American taxis in that shot, don't they? I believe that Sharon Maguire said (on the DVD commentary) that it was all done in the UK because they didn't have the budget to fly there for that tiny sequence.

I'd better start this with a big spoiler allert in case you would like to stay ignorant on some subjects. I had some unexpectet time on my hand and had to choose between cleaning the house or do some extensive research. I chose the latter. This is a faithful narrative of my dealings with BJD: The Ding-dong scene: I have to agree with Karen. I think his neck seems to be different from the shot were he is talking to his mother. IMO the backside of the reindeer sweater is a double (sigh!) Tarts and Vicars party: Perhaps the walk away with Natascha (anyway, who cares). The stairs in the hallway: Yueeepeeee (that means hurrah or something) it was taken in one shot, so it definitely is ODB running up those stairs (flashing leg!). The kitchen: The hand, that stirs the blue soup and the concealed green gunge, I can�t tell. I don�t know his thumb that well. Perhaps, when we have seen GWAPE , we can decide. (Sidemark: I certainly hope, they will shoot the scene, with Vermeer caressing Griets face). The fight: I have to believe, that it actually is ODB punching HG. And I didn�t find anything to prove me wrong. Beside HG didn�t have a double and I don�t think they would shoot the scene with one of each (actor and double). The part where they go through the window was done by the stunts. I believe that was the stuffed ones, Karen mentioned. The doorway scene in the flat: I know, no need to check for doubles, but just for my own benefit I had to rewind it several times. How anyone could walk away from that man is beyond me! Sorry � back to research The walk we see from Bridgets window could be a double. The next scene (my favourite walk), you see Colin look to the right. IMO it most certainly is him. The last walk � again I can�t tell if its a double. And now � back to the cleaning (perhaps if I put on Lady come down, that can get me going).

Thanks for the research, Annette! The myth has been broken and we will from now on check for the double. :-(

OK I had a look and while I haven't viewed BDJ more than maybe 25 times tonight I decided that the hand on the door when he caught Cleaver and his wife was a bad double for ODB. Too fat. It was ruddy but that could be attributed to the lighting. My sons had fun freeze-framing it to catch the padded suits flying through the window too.

Annette)The fight: I have to believe, that it actually is ODB punching HG Better be, he sure blabbed about it enough on all the talk shows. .

Let me clarify. The stunt doubles only went through the window. Colin and Hugh did their sissy fight scene themselves, as far as I know. When you check the credits, Colin did have the full "star" treatment on this film. He had a double, a stunt double, a stand-in and a driver, all listed in the credits. OK, no personal hairdresser or makeup artist, but you rarely see that for the men. ;-)

(Rika) in the first scene, that WAS his rear view that Bridget responded to with a "Ding Dong", right? Right? Please? (Karen) If I had to bet on it, NOT. But I haven't asked. You do realize you've just broken my heart. (Annette) The doorway scene in the flat: I know, no need to check for doubles, but just for my own benefit I had to rewind it several times. I know the feeling! I have some wonderful DVD captures of that scene (some of them posted here not long ago). (Karen) OK, no personal hairdresser or makeup artist, but you rarely see that for the men. ;-) Except Rupie in TIOBE. :-)

(Rika)You do realize you've just broken my heart. Double or not, it is ODB when he turns around, not that that's all that matters, but I will choose to believe it is Colin from the rear as well, though I must say, on closer inspection, I think the shoulders are slightly broader, but that could be the sweater, too. On further inspection, the butt does seem to be as tight as ODB's... It's a very hard one to call. (Rika)Except Rupie in TIOBE. :-) LOL.

Okay, y'all KNEW I was going to go off and capture the evidence, right? I think it's him in the "Ding DONG" shot. Here it is: This is followed by a close-up of the back of Mark Darcy's head that sure looks like CF's hair (the waves, and the little point in the back center that often impinges on his collar), but that isn't relevant to the case I'm building since it's a different shot. Then Pam Jones takes Bridget over to see if Mark fancies a gherkin. She calls Mark's name. Here's the sequence of shots: These two are almost certainly the same person as shown in the first photo above - note the drape of the sweater and trousers. And the two above were a continuous shot. So that means that all three of these are almost certainly the same person. So, from that slight bit of profile, is that him? At this point it's clearly him. See the little curl that's sitting on top of his ear? I think I see it in the shot above as well. That seems a detail that would be tough to reproduce with a double. And in that case, if you believe the logic I've set out above, he's the person in the "Ding Dong" shot. At least that's my story and I'm sticking by it. Oh, okay, so I didn't need this one. But I love the little unruly curl that's sticking out. :-)

(Rika)...And in that case, if you believe the logic I've set out above, he's the person in the "Ding Dong" shot. At least that's my story and I'm sticking by it. Thank you Rika!!! I'm sticking by your story too! No one can persuade me otherwise....Ding Dong! And many thanks for the last photo. I DO think it was a needed shot. The third shot...the line of the jaw and the ear (as well as that curl you mentioned) seem to belong to ODB. Also, note the flat spot on the back of his hair (prior to the unruly curl), toward the back...it can be seen in the last two shots. I didn't need a lot of convincing. I will continue to suck my breath in when I see this scene. ;-)

(Rika) But I love the little unruly curl that's sticking out. :-) LOL....perhaps the same unruly curl held back by a clip in the Making of TIOBE?

Rika "Holmes" I shall know call you. Indeed, if you check the trouser creases in the posterior as you watch your frames progress you will see they are constant. Same person, IMAO. (In my amatuer opinion.)

(Karen) OK, no personal hairdresser or makeup artist, but you rarely see that for the men. ;-) I just remember reading a while back about a hair or/and makeup artist, who had listet Colin Firth in American Girl in his/her resume. It was before they changes the name of the movie. (Perhaps that indicates, that he is finally getting the attention, he deserves. I don't know, how to express, what I mean. It is something in the line of getting on top of the billing or whatever it's called. (Rika)...And in that case, if you believe the logic I've set out above, he's the person in the "Ding Dong" shot. At least that's my story and I'm sticking by it. Rika, you wonderful girl, I will never again doubt, that the ding-dong shot is made with ODB and ODB alone. Later, I will go back to check up the doorway-captures. I'll wait until I have my boots and bucket ready (thank you Karen).