Introduction to Firthology (102) - a survey course

First!! Back to the Italian hands, I'm in love with the Maestro.....

Thank you Maria. Didn't understand it, well got some words, but didn't matter. Just enjoyed listening to his voice. Lovely.

Forgive me if this has been posted before, but sometimes starting at the bottom of a google search and working your way up finds interesting things. I've not seen this before. There are some very nice pictures, especially some of the ones done specific to a movie. Colin Firth Calendar (I also am testing dressed up links, don't despise me if I wreck it!)

Hey thanks Barb, I love our calendar guy for 2002. Yummy!

Thanks for the link, Barb. All Stubble fans must check out September 2000 and June 2002. As a matter of fact, fans of the soulful look should check those out as well. A few of the pics were new to me. Anyone interested in doing a 2003 or 2004 calendar?

Thank you, Barb. Very beautifully done calenders IMHO. I can't pick one in particular - they all look great (even Allen Portland) ;-)

They are very beautifully done calendars. I have 2 or 3 of them. Jane did a brilliant job, though they were too nice to use. ;-D

Rex Features has put up 46 more pictures of CF http://www.rexfeatures.co.uk/cgi-bin/r2show0?k=colin+firth&f=Newest I haven't checked yet for new ones, but anyway there are some "stills" I haven't seen before. Now - could anyone find a way to "enlarge" some of them?

A few examples worth looking into: FD and stairs Jess:

A few examples worth looking into: Hah! Just the ones I saved before coming back here! Thanks Annette.

Thanks, Annette. Obviously, they are all publicity pics from older movies, but a number I haven't seen before in presskits, magazines, or anywhere.

Annette, thanks for checking Rex Features and finding new goodies. Good way to start the week.

Thanks, Annette!

Thanks Annette and Barb for the great pics and calendars. Lovely way to spend a day.

(Annette) According to the credits, another bloke played the piano in RV. Plus I don't recall if you ever even see his hands on the keys in RV. Will have to doublecheck about Playmaker though. I remember liking that tango he (or someone) plays, yet there are no song credits.

(Annette)Not to bring a Playmaker discussion back to life, but I think most of us like what little there is to like in this movie, for just this part ;-P (and perhaps ......... ;-)) I suppose I would have been on the wrong topic to do so anyway... but I am hardly disparaging his playing of and on the piano. There wouldn't be a movie except for that piano (and the shower and the rocky outcropping). ;-)

(Shoshana) but I am hardly disparaging his playing of and on the piano. ...and play he did, both on and off the keys;-) (Annette)(and perhaps ......... ;-)) ...perhaps, wot?

Hey boss... where d'you get that pic on the front page of firth.com. C'mon, looks like his High School (A-levels??) graduation picture. Ahhhh, the miracle of air-brushing;-)

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(Evelyn)Hey boss... where d'you get that pic on the front page of firth.com. C'mon, looks like his High School (A-levels??) graduation picture. Oooo, I have quite the crush on that picture! And the blue hue gives it a lovely artistic quality.:-) I never see it anywhere else.

(Bee Dee) Oooo, I have quite the crush on that picture! LOL. Of course we all do. He looks younger than Oliver James;-D

(Shoshana) There wouldn't be a movie except for that piano (and the shower and the rocky outcropping). ;-) There are many people who were just too appalled by the rocky outcropping part of the film. (Evelyn) where d'you get that pic on the front page of firth.com. Huh? Have I missed something? Why is this even coming up now? Maybe I have to go back a few posts. That pic is from the Firths in Italy People article, with Frick and Flock.

(Karen)There are many people who were just too appalled by the rocky outcropping part of the film. the scene, I left out in my posting was the showerscene. The rocky scene didn't do anything to me, anyway - not anything enjoyable, that is. (Karen)That pic is from the Firths in Italy People article, with Frick and Flock. I don't know what started this, but pray tell me: who are Frick and Flock (sounds like dogs, perhaps)?

(Annette) I don't know what started this, but pray tell me: who are Frick and Flock (sounds like dogs, perhaps)? I think they are the family dogs that 'live' in Italy...the names are from a Hans Christian Andersen tale called "Lucky Peer".

(Tress) I think they are the family dogs that 'live' in Italy...the names are from a Hans Christian Andersen tale called "Lucky Peer". He gives his dogs English names and his son's Italian names...*scratching head*

(Evelyn) He gives his dogs English names and his son's Italian names...*scratching head* There you go ;-) LOL

(Evelyn)He gives his dogs English names and his son's Italian names...*scratching head* Perhaps because the mommy dog can't talk! ;)

(Evelyn)He gives his dogs English names It must be the way it's done in Italy, at least in Abruzzi where my family hails from. When I was there two years ago, my cousin's dogs were called Bill and Al after the President and VP. I understand the new borns are George and Bobby. I'm not sure where the Bobby comes from;-) Thanks, boss, for the lovely Italy picture. Is that in honor of the birth? Or have I missed a post or two?

(Lindak) It must be the way it's done in Italy, at least in Abruzzi where my family hails from. When I was there two years ago, my cousin's dogs were called Bill and Al after the President and VP. I understand the new borns are George and Bobby. I'm not sure where the Bobby comes from;-) I have to laugh--we lived in Italy in the mid 1980's. The most popular name for dogs in our neighborhood seemed to be "Dick", pronounced "Deek"!

What picture? I feel like I've just arrived from Planet Zharg. I haven't put up anything new (or have I?) and the blue-tint one on firth.com has been there since the redesign was first uploaded. Think I need a little lie-down with some cucumbers on my eyelids... ;-D

(Tress)I think they are the family dogs that 'live' in Italy...the names are from a Hans Christian Andersen tale called "Lucky Peer". I just had to check my H C Andersen complete novels and couldn't recognize the title. I will have to check it out, cause I'm courius if there is any "meaning" in the Danish names for the dogs. Italian, English/American and Danish - nice combination, don't you think? ;-) (Karen)What picture? I feel like I've just arrived from Planet Zharg. LOL, but remember, many of us have been entering a parallel universe, where Lord Dashwood rules ;-) Takes a while to get grounded after such a trip :-)

(Annette)remember, many of us have been entering a parallel universe, where Lord Dashwood rules ;-) Takes a while to get grounded after such a trip :-) Yes... Henry just dropped in with the rest of the mail today... Blissssss

Since we're all going to the dogs, which probably belong to his in-laws:

(Evelyn)He gives his dogs English names and his son's Italian names...*scratching head* (Odile)Perhaps because the mommy dog can't talk! ;) ROTFLMAO, Odile! My thoughts exactly. I favor names that will be comfortable for children to use in the country in which they will spend most of their time. Giving a child a name he or she will have to pronounce and spell out for people for the rest of their lives gets old. Believe me, I know. BTW, I think it's Flick and Flock (with l's) Or is it Frick and Frack?;-)

I have no idea what all of you are on...but can I have some? ;-D (Mari) BTW, I think it's Flick and Flock (with l's) Or is it Frick and Frack?;-) Mutt and Jeff, perhaps? ;-)

(Evelyn)He gives his dogs English names and his son's Italian names...*scratching head* (Odile)Perhaps because the mommy dog can't talk! ;) ROTFL!!! Just had to second this (a little late as I just got home). (Mari) Giving a child a name he or she will have to pronounce and spell out for people for the rest of their lives gets old. Believe me, I know. You and me both! Not surprising that everyone would want to spell my first name everywhich way but correct, but who knew having a Polish last name with only 6 letters and 2 syllables would stump so many people. My two syllable name becomes a minimum 4- syllable name as many Polish names seem to be.

(Mari) BTW, I think it's Flick and Flock OK, I was close but didn't get the cigar.

(Mari) I favor names that will be comfortable for children to use in the country in which they will spend most of their time. Then, perhaps his name will fit this criteria at some point in time.

(Dorine)Then, perhaps his name will fit this criteria at some point in time. Now, just wot are you suggesting?;-) (Karen)OK, I was close but didn't get the cigar. No, but how about I send you that spaghnum moss set that I won last summer? It's only a little used;-) (Lisa)Mutt and Jeff, perhaps? ;-) Tom and Jerry? Moe, Larry, and Curly? Oh, sorry. That's three, isn't it;-)

(Lisa)Mutt and Jeff, perhaps? ;-) English names we said: how about Mark & Fitwilliam...

Just coming down from a Dashwood all-nighter, and seeing photo of "the adorable one" I suspect that we have here Flick, Flock and Fatty. Who is in charge of sending off the slim-fast.

Dog Daze...... Taking a page from Annette's enthusiastic book I would like to propose a light discussion or poll perhaps, to perk up my lazy, hazy day.;-) I have been having a discussion of one of my favorite of Colin�s qualities.with a fellow Firthette, his *hugs*! We think that he is a natural *hugger*! IRL and on the screen. Some examples are the great hug he gives Sarah while apartment hunting and of course the one that follows this: Not great I know but all I can do from my desk here right this minute.... Anyone have any better? Wanna play?

(Beedee) Anyone have any better? Wanna play? Wanna play but can't do pictures :-( Glad you provided one :-) Current fave is HD hugging Daphne at the end of WAGW. Funniest hug Ernest and Algie in TIOBE

(Beedee) Some examples are the great hug he gives Sarah while apartment hunting... You mean this one??! Full body contact! How could she refuse him that flat? She would always know where he is....who needs a view??! Seems like she has quite a nice one in the house!

(Tress) How could she refuse him that flat? Iron knickers cutting off blood supply to the brain ;-) Thanks for the pic, Tress.

Ditto Sonia, Wanna play, can't do pictures! (Beedee) I have been having a discussion of one of my favorite of Colin�s qualities.with a fellow Firthette, his *hugs*! We think that he is a natural *hugger*! IRL and on the screen. I think he has talent at those hugs too! ;) Of course, would need to try one myself to know for sure!

That's the one! Thanks Tress. I love it and it's the one that started me going a while ago. The ease and grace when he folds her in his arms looks so natural. I can't believe he's acting here. It just looks like something he does often and without thinking. Can't beat that quality in a man as far as I'm concerned. Yummmm.

(Tress) How could she refuse him that flat? (Sonia)Iron knickers cutting off blood supply to the brain ;-) LOL, good one! I'm also a great lover of hugs and he *is* the master! I have a picture of Valmont, unfortunately only in my mind, but since you all have so vivid imaginations and knowledge of his every move in the movies, I'm sure you can picture him hugging/carrying Mdm de Tourveil Really, really love the flat-hug from Fever Pitch. The moment, where we only see them briefly, and he sort of graps her and pulls her down on the bed... Ooops, the hugs seem to lead me a stray......

(Annette) The moment, where we only see them briefly, and he sort of graps her and pulls her down on the bed... I'm finding all sorts of hidden treasures in the film discussion archives! Are you talking about this moment Annette?? (Sonia)Iron knickers cutting off blood supply to the brain ;-) LOL! At least you would think with those kind of knickers she wouldn't be getting her panties in a bunch as often as she did!!! Am convinced that ODB's hugs are so special cuz of those extra long arms (that mighty wing span he seems to possess). He has the ability to just fold people up...he's a full 'wrap around' hugger! Another good one (from the archives again):

Was the Valmont scene something like this?

(Tress)Am convinced that ODB's hugs are so special cuz of those extra long arms (that mighty wing span he seems to possess). He has the ability to just fold people up...he's a full 'wrap around' hugger! with the perfect emoticon illustration. Another favorite, when FD hugs his brokenhearted sister GD. I'd suffer a broken heart for one of those hugs anyday. (Beedee) Yummmm

(Beedee)Are you talking about this moment Annette?? Oh yes! Love his naughty grin, his hair - just yummy ;-) (Beedee)...he's a full 'wrap around' hugger! Indeed he is. LOL at your smiley! I found this, presumably a photo from the presskit: They knew, what we wanted to see, didn't they ? ;-)

(Beedee)...he's a full 'wrap around' hugger! I'll play, but as I'm on vacation and we have a very antiquated system, here I can't post a capture. It would take days... My favorite hug... Having just watched TEP the other night on cable I'd have to say I love when ODB hugs KST when he's in the santa suit...just after she has been with RF. Silly, girl. Can this game be played in real life, too? One of my "real life" favorites is his 'arms around the waist bear hug' of Minnie Driver at the HS premiere. You know the one...he's behind her. I have others, too but I'll leave room for others to exhibit;-)

A non-romantic hug that I really love is Donovan hugging Sandy in DQ. I can't illustrate, but it's when he says Sandy, you're a genius! Evelyn's boy Joe Prince gives a great hug too, and he's so v. sweet. Think some research might be in order here.

(Linda) One of my "real life" favorites is his 'arms around the waist bear hug' of Minnie Driver at the HS premiere. You know the one...he's behind her. For you Linda!!! Okay, was going to stop but had to add this one...killer smile!!

(Beedee) Anyone have any better? Wanna play? Have been trawling around all evening for illustrative hugging images. Thanks to everyone I've borrowed from. Humorous: Sweet: Sexy: Real (isn't it lovely that he's really a natural hugger?):

(Shoshana) Humorous He cracks me up every time. "Mother!" Thanks for all the pics ladies. Very enjoyable.

(Tress)Am convinced that ODB's hugs are so special cuz of those extra long arms (that mighty wing span he seems to possess). He has the ability to just fold people up...he's a full 'wrap around' hugger! I'd love to take credit for this but Tress gets the best smileys so I must fess up and such a great match! Beedee)Are you talking about this moment Annette?? (Annette)Oh yes! Love his naughty grin, his hair - just yummy ;-) Thanks for the photo Annette. I had it for a short while but those geocities pics just don't have staying power:-( But you got it! Great work Shoshana! Those were on my list! Beautiful picture of Mamma and Pappa! Thanks to all of the chearleader too!

Thank you, Tress. Yeah that's the one. Oh that MD...what a lucky lady. Thanks all for the hugs. Feeling very warm on this already hot day;-)

....he's a full 'wrap around' hugger! Must be the Italian influence;-) Who's the psychologist here who can tell us about 'body language'.

Love his hugs. I agree, I too think he is a natural hugger. Love when he hugs Daphne as most recent hug, like the IRL hugs with MD. Unfortuately they look very good together. OK I'm jealous. I think he's a touchy feely person. He seems to pose with fans male and female putting his arm around them most of the time. He wouldn't do that if he wasn't a touchy feely person, I don't think. Would love to get a hug from him, but could not be responsible for my behavior. LOL

(Evelyn) Who's the psychologist here who can tell us about 'body language'. I had 'Psych 101' in college! Suppose that doesn't count....wait...nevermind...it was 'Soc 101' (been too long)!! LOL! I like that he's not a 'leaner' when he hugs. You know...how some men 'lean in' to hug you cuz their afraid that they'll touch their privates to you or somethin'. Well, ODB just 'gets in there'. He does the "full body contact - wrap his arms around you" type of hugs. He seems quite comfortable doing it and it's quite sexy really. Suppose it could be an 'act' but he seems to be very touchy with LD and others IRL too. I guess I'm the only one who would post these as hug examples....so here goes:

You know, reading more into it possibly than is really there, in that second smaller pic of them, neither one of them look all that into what they're doing. Rather mechanical looking, though, as with the GWAPE piercing pic, it is just one snapshot in that scene. (still haven't seen it all yet :-O)

(Dorine) ...in that second smaller pic of them, neither one of them look all that into what they're doing. Rather mechanical looking, though... The kiss seems uncomfortable, I'll agree. He seems like he's pulling back and she's pursuing (it is actually more evident when you see it 'in motion', if you haven't gotten to that part in HS yet)...but the hands on the back Louisa! I like the hands...**sigh** And she seems to be playing a game of 'pocket pool' (sorry!), cuz it looks like she's going after something (though in the film she's actually just pulling his shirt out).

You should stick with the hugging because that kiss is really bad. He's like wiping his cheek across her face in lieu of the real thing. Eowwww!! (and consistent with MO of film) ;-D

(Tress) I guess I'm the only one who would post these as hug examples... More like hugs and kisses. (Karen) He's like wiping his cheek across her face The larger picture looks more like dancing cheek to cheek. Are they at the Fred Astaire Dance Academy? ;-) (Tress) You know...how some men 'lean in' to hug you cuz their afraid that they'll touch their privates to you or somethin'. Like you have some sort of disease, said in my best Mark Strong as Steve imitation ;-)

(Karen) You should stick with the hugging because that kiss is really bad. Maybe ODB subscribes to the "Pretty Woman School of Thought" (okay, has been ages since I last saw PW, but I seem to have a vague memory of this...). I remember 'Vivian' said "no kissing, it's too personal". So...he'll do the hugging, the bum flashing (but it has been a long time since we've seen a good example of this, waaaaay too long, IMO) and such, but when it comes to kissing, he is reticent. I'll daydream about the hugs for now...he seems to have those down quite well!

that delightful, totally wrap around hug in the train station scene in Londinium is the only reason that film is still in my collection. I ffwrd to the end, and just indulge myself.

(marilyn f)...that delightful, totally wrap around hug in the train station scene in Londinium is the only reason that film is still in my collection. OMG...have forgotten about that one (and it is a fuzzy memory). I tend to block all L'dum thoughts. Will have to research (but must wait...best to 'go in' on an empty stomach)! ;-D

You know...how some men 'lean in' to hug you cuz their afraid that they'll touch their privates to you or somethin' Or, they're like, hey, I need to protect the family jewels, or you're not worthy to be near them...;-)

(Tress)I remember 'Vivian' said "no kissing, it's too personal". So...he'll do the hugging, the bum flashing (but it has been a long time since we've seen a good example of this, waaaaay too long, IMO) and such, but when it comes to kissing, he is reticent. I'll daydream about the hugs for now...he seems to have those down quite well! LOL! My thoughts exactly. I remember an interview with Michael Cain. He said that he hated doing love scenes. To paraphrase - *When you play a killer they say "great acting" but when you do a love making scene you are suspected.... Gets one into trouble*. I think of this whenever there is an ODB kissing quality discussion. But he shows no reticence when hugging/embracing. I think it's sexy too, very.

(Tress)... OMG...have forgotten about that one (and it is a fuzzy memory). I tend to block all L'dum thoughts. Will have to research (but must wait... best to go in on an empty stomach)! By rewinding to the beginning of that scene you can eliminate nausea, and save scene for those moments when a "Firthy Fix" is really needed. Can't you just imagine the utter joy of tucking your face into that marvelous neck and letting the rest of the world revolve around you????? (sorry DH,) just a momentary lapse.

Can't you just imagine the utter joy of tucking your face into that marvelous neck and letting the rest of the world revolve around you????? Yes, Yes, Yes. I can imagine it. I can also imagine never coming back to earth, as well;-)

(Marilyn) Can't you just imagine the utter joy of tucking your face into that marvelous neck and letting the rest of the world revolve around you?? Yes, I imagine necking with him 24-7. It gets me through the day.

(Karen)The cover art is the pic of the four four of them, walking along the Thames. Thankfully, it is not the same cover as the German release, which had two women and guy in bed, none of them being the actors. (Annette)under the title "Life after sex" (available from July 9th 2003). See the cover here: http://www.snurrfilm.no/movie.asp?fkMID=4104 Oooh, can we play a new game? What do you think the worst CF video/DVD case/cover is? I'd have to vote for the US version of FP with the strange woman wearing soccer cleats as a "bra." Whenever I want to show the film to other people (who of course really enjoy the movie itself), I feel embarrassed associating it with that rather questionable picture. What are your opinions, ladies? Conversely, what are your favorite covers (besides the lovely, lovely smouldering P&P image)? Moved under the wise suggestion/direction of Karen ;-)

(Shoshana) Oooh, can we play a new game? What do you think the worst CF video/DVD case/cover is? I'll play, with a twist ;-) Worst: FP (US Cover) Most Heat: Valmont Most Disturbing: Apartment Zero Favorite: TIOBE

Fun idea Shoshana. I'll play Sonia's rules...... Favorite: P&P DVD hands down for me Most Heat: I second Valmont Worst: FF Most Disturbing: I agree with AZ

I must have my say Favorite: P&P I agree Most heat: ???will answer after Saturday. After vacation when I can go through my collection Worst: FP New catgeory: Biggest Flub: RV...the back cover has Colin's character confused and it says he plays Lord Marshwood. You can imagine how confused I was on first viewing.

(Shoshana) I feel embarrassed associating it with that rather questionable picture. I remember when the preliminary design for the FP cover art was revealed and how horrified everyone was. These were conveyed to the idiots at Trimark and I recall the woman trying to allay everyone's concerns by saying that the boobs wouldn't be so cartoon roundish. As if that was all that was wrong with it. Fortunately, you could get a nonembarrasing cover by buying the Canadian version, but not with the DVD at that time. Can you imagine the poor little soccer-playing boys who picked up that video and thought they'd see a little skin?

(Shoshana) I feel embarrassed associating it with that rather questionable picture. Just so I don't have to look at the the boobs wouldn't be so cartoon roundish!?! I inserted a FP picture on top of the cover. Embarrassment solved. (Karen) Can you imagine the poor little soccer-playing boys who picked up that video and thought they'd see a little skin? Imagine the poor little soccer-playing girls who picked up that video and got to see a little skin on thighs below Arse-nal boxers ;-)

How about the "Where is he?" covers? The Advocate Hostages (Cathy Bates was in it for what? 5 minutes total? Weirdness factor - FF I am partial to AC and AMITC... cute young thang when hair was not an issue... Not to open old wounds, but this made me chuckle more than the movie...:-(( http://www.highangle.co.uk/reviews/hopesprings.html

(Maria T) Not to open old wounds, but this made me chuckle more than the movie...:-(( Thanks Maria, agree. I bet the writer could have done a better job than Mark Herman.

(Maria) Not to open old wounds, but this made me chuckle more than the movie... No apology needed. I think this is one of my favorites. Thanks, Maria. (Maria) How about the "Where is he?" covers? Hostages (Cathy Bates was in it for what? 5 minutes total? Ah, but you have to remember, it was a made-for-cable film (HBO) and she was the big name in it. You think any Americans know Colin or Ciaran? Another embarrassing cover: Porky's Goes to Holland (aka Dutch Girls)

Thanks, Maria! V. funny and right on the mark. I agree with Karen about it being a favorite.

Thanks Maria, don't apologize. The author didn't say anything we haven't heard or thought. She was right on the mark. She wrote in a way that was intelligent and not as nasty as some of the other critics.

Favorite cover: P&P Worst: American FP FF is pretty bad too. Most Dramatic: Apartment Zero

Ohhh....I haven't played yet! Worst: FP (but Dutch Girls (?!!) a very close second) Favorite: BJD Worst cover with floating head: FF (a big "huh?" on that one...) Best cover with floating head: WOF Favorite ODB film cover w/o ODB on the cover: TEP Most Dramatic: AZ One that makes me squiggly: Valmont Most anticipated cover: GWAPE

Since Sonia (Thank You!!!!) has been kind enough to send me a wonderful FP pic montage which I quickly used to cover cartoon-roundish-boobs woman, I must change my own choices. Worst: DG (I suppose that makes at least 4 CF movie packages with unneccessarily underclothed women the main pictoral subject - really, who is coming up with these?) Favorite 80's: LE (yummy paperboy cap) Favorite 90's: P&P Favorite of this century: TIOBE Most intense with CF: AZ Most intense without CF: Conspiracy

Oh and best with an animal dressed as a judge (a very tight category): HOTP

The best slogan on a cover : (WOF) If you think life is strange, wait 'til you see what comes next. (Apart from the AFG Brian, I wouldn't have had a clue as to what was going on.)

Not sure how old this is, but I did like his comment about ODB :-)( would like to know what the "few details" were though!) on Page 6 http://www.brunel.ac.uk/faculty/arts/EnterText/davies.pdf

Thanks, Maria, very interesting. I especially liked the bit about Susannah Harker probably outweighing Ian Richardson in House of Cards and no one questioning his FU's ability to toss her off the building. ;-D And his quips about Emma Thompson and S&S. Can you imagine taking a writing course (apparently a good excuse for drinking) with him on a Greek island? LOL! (Maria) would like to know what the "few details" were though! With AE, I expect they would have to do with the dearth of sexual activity.

...even though I suppose Colin Firth�s performance (and if anybody�s overdue for an Emmy it�s him) - was a consummate delivery of all that I�d hoped, except in a few details... That blasted walking stick again! ;-) Thanks Maria!

Good stuff Maria, thanks. Interesting observations about the writing process.

Thanks for a really interesting article Maria. And I agree tress, the blasted walking stick again. However do agree Colin is so overdue for an Emmy. Should have had it for Conspiracy.

(Pam)Should have had it for Conspiracy Amen!

(Pam) However do agree Colin is so overdue for an Emmy. Should have had it for Conspiracy. Huh? Emmys are for US television and Colin hasn't appeared hardly at all on US television. It's evident that Davies hadn't seen Brian Cox that year, who *did* win. Methinks AD is living in an ivory tower in Warwickshire, without access to satellite transmission of US television.

Besides, shouldn't Davies be bemoaning the fact that Colin hasn't won a Bafta yet, even though he's been nominated three times. ;-D

(Karen) shouldn't Davies be bemoaning the fact that Colin hasn't won a Bafta yet, even though he's been nominated three times. ;-D Amen!

I know it isn't news, and it is a moot point in any event given the stats posted at 176, but I enjoyed reading this review of WAGW anyway... http://www.dealtime.com/xMPR-~PD-414647489409~PT-xMPR~RI-97019137668

You did? *puzzled*

(Maria)but I enjoyed reading this review of WAGW anyway... I thought it was an interesting review and touched on some of my misgivings of the film. Considering it as a whole, I found it sweet but at times annoying. Of course ODB is AFG! To be honest, I didn't love *it* at first but Love Henry So Very Dearly now. He may be gorgeous on the big screen but I'm much happier being able to scene select to his stuff on my couch. As far as Amistads go make mine a Maupin.;-)

(Maria) I enjoyed reading this review of WAGW anyway... I liked it too because the reviewer gets it. This is what a review is supposed to be, balanced with absence of malice. The reviewer wasn't vicious, he found the good, the bad and the funny. After all it's just a movie. ;-) (Reviewer) She�s full of bounce and pep, leading to the only scene of a teenage girl dancing around alone in a room (out of thousands, mind you) that convinced me that maybe someone actually does that. LOL. You mean someone doesn't? Must be the difference between girls and boys ;-)

(Maria)but I enjoyed reading this review of WAGW anyway... Thanks, Maria - I enjoyed it because it was written by somebody who was not in the target audience and didn't necessarily seem predisposed to like the movie, but who evaluated it with an open mind and a consideration of the basic paradigms of the genre.

(Maria)but I enjoyed reading this review of WAGW anyway... Thanks, Maria - I enjoyed it because it was written by somebody who was not in the target audience and didn't necessarily seem predisposed to like the movie, but who evaluated it with an open mind and a consideration of the basic paradigms of the genre. Hear, hear.

....It is, lest you get the wrong idea, a solid, heart-felt, Jimmy Stewart sort of befuddled. Yeah! At least it isn't a Hugh Grant sort of befuddled! Colin Firth is not only delightful to watch, able to add credibility to something not above realizing that it�s just a little, cornball movie, but he�s also able to project a sort of magnanimous view of the role he plays and the movie itself, and he makes you prone to such a state of mind as well. I can live with that! Thanks Maria. Is nice to read that after some of the others...

Thanks Maria. I thought it was interesting. At least he did see it for what it was. And he did think it better than Princess Diaries, which he obviously disliked. I agree, nice to read an opinion from someone who gets it.

(Maria)but I enjoyed reading this review of WAGW anyway... (Rika)Thanks, Maria - I enjoyed it because it was written by somebody who was not in the target audience and didn't necessarily seem predisposed to like the movie, but who evaluated it with an open mind and a consideration of the basic paradigms of the genre. As Sandy said: Hear hear! Thank you for the link, Maria ! What surprised me most, was to read the reviewer mention his wife at the end of the article. I was so certain, the reviewer was female ;-)

Maria, very interesting review and very fair to the film as a whole and part of a genre. Thanks!

Thanks for posting the WAGW review, Maria. It's good to hear a rational person's take on this film. He pointed out it's shortcomings without using the caustic *wit* of some of the other critics. And of course we all love to hear ODB's praises sung. The Jimmy Stewart comparison is thought-provoking as well.

(Hen)without using the caustic *wit* of some of the other critics ...and that's putting it midly. Thanks, Maria. A review I can read without loosing my temper;-)

The correct responses should have been - (Gah!)"Oh yes Mr Firth. Deb asked me to discuss this with you" (OR, and maybe easier, "This is Deb") "Yes,let me just get a permanent marker" (or better yet a tatto artist) http://www2.britishcouncil.org/nz/nz-arts-culture/nz-arts-and-culture-vanessa-alexander-letter.htm

"Projects here [WT]are developed with an incredible clarity ? clarity of theme, clarity of genre and clarity of how and where they?ll fit into an international market" Wow...no wonder their films are successful. Bet they passed on HS. Thanks Maria.

Cute, v. cute, Maria. Too bad Vanessa didn't append the "Cate, Hugh and Emma" with another name by the end.

Thanks Maria!!! Vanessa's job really is horrific...the things she must have to do and put up with! Poor girl! "Can you repeat that number Mr. Firth (I want to make sure I put it in my Palm correctly)?" ;-)

Thanks, Maria. At least Vanessa was coherent. I, on the other hand, would have melted. Can I give you my home phone number? Yes, and your address, cell number, license plate, make and model of your car, and any other info I, eh, Deb may need;-)

No pic but he can't seem to shake that woman ;-D http://www.rockboat.co.uk/bpfgreendays.html

LOL, hey, she's his buddy. Better than that other Elizabeth . . . BTW, I've seen EMcG in commercials for a new TV series this fall. Something with New Hampshire in the title.

The Brotherhood of Poland, New Hampshire about cops. From David E. Kelley. Has an interesting cast: Randy Quaid and Mare Winningham; hadn't noticed YKW in the commercials. ;-D Must be a tough commute for her.

Maybe Elizabeth's kids participated at the fest? Luca might have some friends amoungst them too.

(Moon) Maybe Elizabeth's kids participated at the fest? Exactly, what I thought or else EMcG was on the steering committee and he attended as a payback for her reading at ICI.

I guess the guy standing there in tan slacks/blue shirt is the stunt double?? Vrooooooooooom! http://www.lifepress.com/archivio/2002/movies%202002/american%20girl/

Life Press International �MAT-exclusive-Colin Firth gets leg over (a motorbike) filming his new film... Great caption! Thanks Maria

Sorry, I'm a maniac...Still making up for being gone for 3 weeks..:-) Had not seen this quote before... I love how, well, "earnest" he seems and I hope he has some more valuable or positive stories to change the world with coming soon! ;-) �It starts to sound pretty airy-fairy when people talk about it, but I think that at its best, it can be a very valuable thing to tell people stories,� says Firth. �Stephen Fry, at the end of hosting the BAFTAs a couple months ago and being extremely witty in a very flippant way all evening, actually said something that struck me, which was that telling your stories is vital because you never know, it might just be something as apparently trivial as a film that can change the world [through] changing the way people think. I think there is a potential there for the work at its best�if people are honest and courageous about it�to have a positive impact.� http://www.ent-today.com/5-31/earnest-feature.htm

Great finds, Maria!

(Maria)I hope he has some more valuable or positive stories to change the world with coming soon! ;-) ...here, here. He's got such a broad range (;-))I can't imagine it would be otherwise. Thanks Maria.

Some fun WAGW tidbits here.. http://www.pf757.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ab/wagwprod.html

What fun, Maria, thanks. " 'The book' refers to the accompanying Scholastic publication, written by Marie T Morreale." Who should be shot. " The Chinatown, NYC scenes were filmed on location in Borough Market in the East End of London." Those of us who know Chinatown, know that one cannot see the B'klyn bridge from there.(Wasn't it Bleecker St?)

Thanks Maria Loved those tidbits...I was surprised to learn that Oliver James had to train to play the guitar. I thought he was a musician.

A few words about the professionals: The extraordinary planning and thought that went into this inaugural JASNA tour made it a great success. Mary Lou White unobtrusively made certain all went well and solved the few problems and crises that arose in a quiet manner that proved we were in the hands of a thoroughly competent and very nice professional. Elizabeth Proudman, our local guide, was not only a lover of Jane Austen and her family but also knowledgeable about archaeology, gardens, history, architecture, and literature. We also were fortunate in our driver Don Wiltshire, a gentleman who can maneuver his bus around the sharpest corners and forwards and backwards on the narrowest of roads. And in some way, we did find Mr. Darcy, for Elizabeth told us that Colin Firth had been a friend of her daughter when she was in school. She described him around age 17 as "gormless and spotty, he smoked and spilled his coffee, remaining slightly an outsider, whose thoughts one never knew." http://www.jasna.org/tour1997.html See how Drooling helps improve your vocabulary?...After all we don't want to be gormless..LOL! Tress looked it up and it means lacking intelligence, STUPID! We both agree we would have been great friends with the spotty, enigmatic,coffee spilling, smoking (hot) outsider at 17...Though it is a good thing he finally learned how to flex those dimples from time to time! :-)

We both agree we would have been great friends with the spotty, enigmatic,coffee spilling, smoking (hot) outsider at 17... LOL...I doubt he would have found me very fascinating...I was eleven. But I can tell you that I would have found him incredibly sophisticated! Gormless and spotty or not! I always liked caffeinated, smoking (hot) boys! ;-)

(MariaT)She described him around age 17 as "gormless and spotty, he smoked and spilled his coffee, remaining slightly an outsider, whose thoughts one never knew." In my part of the world, gormless means nerdy or geekish, you know the type! Well, at least we can all agree, he certainly has improved with age!

(Maria)Though it is a good thing he finally learned how to flex those dimples from time to time! :-) Having just watched BJD, again, on Tuesday I'm convinced he knows how and when to flash them, too. I noticed in the kitchen scene, just after he's says "It's string soup," he does a little thing with his lips and the dimples appear. Then he does it again, quickly, between lines. I wonder if the direction was to flash and flex them as much as possible. Whatever, it workes for me.

(Janet) In my part of the world, gormless means nerdy or geekish, you know the type! Ah! So then ODB is aware of his gormlessness! Didn't he say in an interview that he was a nerd? Hardly the type that I know!!! We need more nerds like him!

"gormless and spotty, he smoked and spilled his coffee, remaining slightly an outsider, whose thoughts one never knew." So he may have had some basic personal inspiration for Adrian in AZ? ;-) But, of course, took it way over the top.

(Actor Colin Firth had to have motorcycle proficiency lessons for the bike getaway scenes) Good learner. whose thoughts one never knew He has definitly outgrown this one - what with all those 'looks' - I sometimes know exactly what he is thinking ;)

(Linda)Having just watched BJD, again, on Tuesday I'm convinced he knows how and when to flash them, too. I noticed in the kitchen scene, just after he's says "It's string soup," he does a little thing with his lips and the dimples appear. Then he does it again, quickly, between lines. LOL! I believe you are right! I was scene surfing WAGW last night and saw him do this in the kitchen and the library scenes. If this is in his bag of tricks he can dig into his bag anytime as far as I'm concerned.;-) Hey, I'm traveling to my Mom's this weekend and will be meeting a young neice who has been dying to see WAGW. Oh, I sez, I'll bring a copy for you and we can watch it on the couch together! Do a little bonding....;-)* God, I do so love a feebee. I really have no shame where ODB is concerned.

Going to a wedding near Manchester on Saturday provided the perfect excuse for a little detour down the A6 to Disley on the way home on Sunday...and so a stop in to see Pemberley/Lyme Park!! FINALLY - have been dying to see it! And it was fantastic, never mind the drizzly weather and the fact that Mark refused to jump in the lake for me. One of these days I will find the time again to scan and post more photos on my little website...

Going to Pemberley has always been one of my dreams, Emma. Never mind the Taj Mahal. So glad you made it. Nice that you had a companion even if he didn't 'get with the program' ;-)

Since we're having a long, rainy weekend, I managed to reformat and upload the old Nostromo discussion: http://www.firth.com/filmdis/nost/nost-part1.html

Nice format boss. Thanks. (Me: Nostromo)Favorite Look: He looks the best in black tie.... Some things never change;-) How long ago was that? At least I'm boringly consistent... Where was Moon?

Where was Moon? Sometimes, when I have nothing nice to say, I say nothing at all. ;-) maybe I was away? I love what you've done, Karen!

Great job, Karen. The Nostomo discussion looks fantastic. Oh, Emma when you have time...would love to see your pictures of Pemberley.

Oh Emma, you lucky girl! Did you get to see inside the house, or did you have to be content with seeing *his lovely grounds at Pemberley*? Lyme Park is on my must see list for my next trip to the UK. Would love to see your photos. Karen, the Nostromo discussion is exellent. Makes me want to give it another go. Thanks for all the work you put into this and other projects for us.

(Hen) Makes me want to give it another go. If we're gonna do a six-parter, let's do LE first. I've changed my mind on Nostromo. In the light of the junk he's been doing recently, N. soars. But, who knows, inasmuch as the 'ship has turned around' and 'the range is broad'...;-)... we might be in for an overdue surprise.

Karen, thanks for the film discussion, as now I am certain I don't want to see Nostromo. ;-D Liked the pics and the erudite discussion, though. The Drool film discussions are always interesting--and shall serve as my Cliff Notes in this case! Emma, glad you were able to visit Pemberley after all. ;-)

(Evelyn)If we're gonna do a six-parter, let's do LE first. I was just referring to watching Nostromo again, Evelyn. The film discussion brought out some things I missed the first time around. I would absolutely adore to see a film discussion about LE. I've been spending a few evenings with RH lately and I've decided LE is one of my top 5 CF films.

I'm with you ladies. LE would be a great discussion. I love Richard.

But I still don't have LE. Bwwwwaaaah. And Drool Pledge time is around the corner. I'd like to wait til next summer.

Rex features has added to their list of ODB-pictures. I haven't checked them all yet, but most of it seems to be older publicity-shots http://www.rexfeatures.com/cgi-bin/r2show0?k=%22colin+FIRTH&f=Next+%3E%3E&s=eRH1GTS0IsPLGAIb2Aoxv0qD&u=DEFAULT&p=b19349F2A00000014&t=000000EE&1=%2301137+%281%29

Sorry, it seems the only new ones are "non cf-releated". But - some of the old ones are worth another viewing :-)

O.K. everyone, take a couple of minutes and look at this...I don't know where this came from or who put it together or where all these shots right after the posed shots came from put this is a treasure trove..For instance check out the TIOBE press conference in Rome pics...GAH! Must go back to looking at every category! http://colinfirth.casa-feliz.net/images/

Ooh! Or the relaxed pics from SIL LA...

Last time I swear! The photo shoot from 1989! Scarf cuteness! Jeez, he looks so, so virile!!

(MariaT) take a couple of minutes and look at this... I think it's going to take more than a couple of minutes, lol. 1715 images??!! Will have to consume this in small bites, so as not to be overwhelmed :)

I believe she's from Brazil. Most you've seen elsewhere and many agency pics have the watermarking. But these from the TIOBE Rome press conference are new or I've only seen small versions of a couple.

And the SIL LA premiere ones too are new.

The TIOBE Bafta/LA screening pics are also new; a couple were in a newspaper but not all 7 shots.

Oh my Maria! There went my lunch break! And I was going to take a nice brisk walk:-( But the photos were/are great:-)

GAAAAHHHHHH!!!! No time to look at all 1700+ images at work! Maria! This is fantastic!!! Thank you! Have bookmarked this one....all those itty bitty images from other sites can be BLOWN UP!!!! Beautiful!

What a great find Maria, thanks!! Have bookmarked it too and saw some great P&P I haven't seen before. This is a delight.

Ok, this is going to take many drooling hours to accomplish. Excellent, Maria. A lot are new to me, and the ones I've seen already still make me nuts again, and again.

Love the pics, Maria...but I can't find the TIOBE Rome conference. The BAFTA, whoa!....the guy was born to wear a tux! SIL in LA is a hoot with Ben Affleck. The 3 DOR one is new to me. David Morrissey...did you spot him in GWAPE, Caribou? I think he was the broker.

(Evelyn)but I can't find the TIOBE Rome conference Look under the Events and 2002, right column...

Love the pics, Maria...but I can't find the TIOBE Rome conference. The BAFTA, whoa!....the guy was born to wear a tux! SIL in LA is a hoot with Ben Affleck. The 3 DOR one is new to me. David Morrissey...did you spot him in GWAPE, Caribou? I think he was the broker.

I'm toast...

http://colinfirth.casa-feliz.net/images/details.php?image_id=895 Directly linking to the image does not seem to work, let's try the page... can I just say "Whoa...895"? This is the time, this is the place, it all started here for me.

(BarbS) can I just say "Whoa...895"? LOL.....You can say it again if you like!!! "Whoa" is right! Mr. Darcy!!! And can I and an "OMG 91"!?? (this was what did it for me) http://colinfirth.casa-feliz.net/images/details.php?image_id=91 It's so BIG!!!!

A Toast! http://colinfirth.casa-feliz.net/images/details.php?image_id=206 Ohhhhhh yum! Might have to cut and paste

Maria, thanks so much for the link! Whoa, is right!

(MariaT)O.K. everyone, take a couple of minutes and look at this... Wow Maria! Many thanks! GAH! Must go back to looking at every category! In the words of another CF fan, "Ding dong!" Last time I swear! The photo shoot from 1989! Scarf cuteness! Jeez, he looks so, so virile!! Oh goodness, must go back to work... I think the wedding cake I'm working on is going to melt with those images on my brain!

Maria, what a find! My favourite so far is No.4 from the 2002 Photoshoot. Haven't seen that one before.

http://colinfirth.casa-feliz.net/images/details.php?image_id=344ry Every number does it for me, but I've always loved this one. It's the hands, I guess *v.large sigh*

Wow. Just a question, has anyone registered? What's involved with it, and does it allow you download the pics, etc...? Did I say Wow!? Kelly (cleaning drool off the keyboard) :P

Maria, what a wonderful site :-) So many new pictures along with old ones in a much better size. Though many of the oldies are great (the one with Ben Kingsly from Camille springs to mind) he's never been better looking than in the recent photos. What a treat - thank you so much !!!

I was going to put a nice pic of Pemberley/Lyme on here but I forgot it's on my tripod site, which won't let me link. So if anyone wants to see any Pemberley or Wycombe pics, send me an email and I'll remind you of the website address if you don't have it, after I finish fixing up my site this weekend. Oh and if you could put Pemberley or something similar in the subject line so I know not to delete it if it comes in as junk mail, that would be wonderful.

(Kelly) Just a question, has anyone registered? I have registered. I haven't had time to go in and do more than peek yet though. Maybe this weekend. But I'm with you, must keep paper towels handy for messy drools!

Wow, Maria, thanks for the link to the photo gallery! What a find! Cleaning the drool off my keyboard....

Hi everybody. I saw "relative values" some days ago and realized that I saw ODB smoking (like in RV)a few times in movies. Is he a smoker in real life ?

I think that he used to smoke, though not anymore.

OMG, I just saw and heard the videocilp Maria posted (166 21.July) where Colin speaks Italien about TEOBE. I know I�m late and many of you have already heard it but for christ sake that sounds really sexy (although I nearly didn�t understand a word he said). Hugh Grant spoke German once on an award show and I loved it, but to me hearing Colin speaking Italien was even better.

He is really sexy, English, Italian, Spanish, Porteguese, French..... Just pure sex and I love it.

German, too ? I would agree to teach him German. Not for my joy of course (that would be selfish), but as a cosmopolitan he should speak German as well. ;o)

This article/interview had some quotes drom ODB that seemed relevant to the discussion going on at 176... http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/5640/interviews/shakespeare/firth.html

The problem with his interviews is that he changes views...by his own admission: "If you asked me the same question tomorrow, you might get a different answer." The next week he'll give an interview about how he wishes he'd get the roles RF gets. Pathetic.

That interview was done for SIL, when he got passed over for the role of Shakespeare. Remember that? ;-)

(Evelyn) The next week he'll give an interview about how he wishes he'd get the roles RF gets. Ha! He did this time. ;-)

That is....got a CF role, not say he wished he had.

s*&*! RF. You know what I mean, even if I don't seem to. ;-)

(Tress) BTW, which role do you consider ODB's best? Just curious. Is that just for Moon? Or general discussion? Like to hear what some newbies think out of what they've seen so far. :-)

Tumbledown.

(Dorine) Is that just for Moon? Or general discussion? Anyone! Everyone! And you didn't say Dorine! I'm sticking with Johannes for now (would love to see the film another 2-3 times though).

(Tress)I'm sticking with Johannes for now (would love to see the film another 2-3 times though). Oh, is he your fave now? What an endorsement imo! I'm calling it for the guy that brung me to the dance, that lovely FD, but can't wait to see if JV can turn me...

Apt Zero, followed closely by Tumbledown. A couple of things I can't get past in Tumbledown (suppose it's less his acting than the script in certain areas) or it would pretty much be neck and neck.

I gather she must have lived in a cave during the airing of P&P... From the Scottish Daily Record, an article about an 'extra' who was in DQ: At 17 she landed work as a market stallholder in the TV film Donovan Quick starring Colin Firth. She said: "I can't believe he's now thought of as a heart-throb. Back then I looked on him as like someone's dad he didn't seem anything special to me. But he was very down-to-earth and friendly. "There was a drunk across the road, who kept singing while his dog howled. The filming kept getting cut because he wouldn't shut up so eventually they included him in the scene." http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/content_objectid=13423972_method=full_siteid=89488_headline=-SHE-S-EXTRA-BUSY-name_page.html

Best role? FD. Best performance? Tumbledown (followed by AZ).

(Tress), BTW, which role do you consider ODB's best? Just curious. AZ, Tumbledown, Valmont, P&P. For supporting TEP. I can't wait to see GWAPE.

IMO, best display of talent is AZ ,Tumbledown, and Donovan Quick....best drool worthy naturally is P&P and BJD.

I'm calling it for the guy that brung me to the dance, that lovely FD, That's always a given. For supporting TEP and RV!

(Evelyn)I'm calling it for the guy that brung me to the dance, that lovely FD, Ah, FD...For me, P&P is my own personal beakout role...followed by years of living in a vacuum, until BJD. Best performance: Tumbledown, followed by AZ, DQ, and WoF Best supporting role: TEP Best eye candy role: WAGW Best Future role: GWAPE (based on Tress's recommendation)

(Linda)Ah, FD...For me, P&P is my own personal beakout role...followed by years of living in a vacuum, until BJD. Same here! It was the FD role that was so spot on and that I saw him in first, plus there were many nights (now tapes and DVD sections) to watch. Then I lived in ignorance until BJD. Best supporting role, IMO, is Lord Wessex in SIL. But I think GWAPE will be getting him some new exposure, positive attention, and better name recognition.

(Linda) Best Future role: GWAPE (based on Tress's recommendation) Keeping in mind that I actually enjoyed moments of HS?? And Mari just posed a review from Dave Poland on the CF Topic that said watching GWAPE was like watching paint dry? LOL....I'll stand by Johannes (with AZ, Tumbledown and Valmont as backups...also liked Hostages and the few minutes I got of ODB in Conspiracy). I'm right with you on eye candy (WAGW)! May have to watch Henry again this weekend.....his 'best' roles are like potato chips, you can't have just one!

Evelyn, I know FD brought you to the dance, but it was Mark Darcy who took me to the prom:-)

but it was Mark Darcy who took me to the prom:-) LOL! So cute. It's a hard one to call.;-)

Oi! I thought it was the book launch cocktail party? ;-)

Best role: I'd have to pick Tom Birkin in A Month in the Country, though the Darcys run a close second. A meaty, complex role that he did a terrific job with in his early career, IMHO. If I could pluck a CF character off the screen and get to know him in real life, though, I'd have to take HD -- I love HD's combination of irreverence and a strong sense of social responsibility, spiced up by the promise of that devilish look he gets as he pulls down the front of his motorcycle helmet and roars off with Daphne. Liz

(Linda) Evelyn, I know FD brought you to the dance, but it was Mark Darcy who took me to the prom:-) Great thought, I agree. But its Henry who's taking me to the moon. AZ and LE best acting rolls IMO. P&P bang on, but we get to see more of him in previous choices. It's tough, I guess these three are my favorite acting rolls, but as for eye candy, Henry's got it hands down. Great fun everyone. Can't wait for GWAPE as I feel my opinion may change.

(Pam)Great thought, I agree. But its Henry who's taking me to the moon. And Gawd only knows where JV will take us! To heaven, I think;-)

I am watching LE, and would have to say that because it is fresh in my mind, Richard is doing it for me, BUT, I will never forget the Darcy's who started my manic obsession ;-)

(Leah)Richard is doing it for me LOL, and can you be a bit more specific? What, exactly, is "it";-)

(Leah) I am watching LE, and would have to say that because it is fresh in my mind, Richard is doing it for me, BUT, I will never forget the Darcy's who started my manic obsession ;-) Don't have to tell me, Richard rocks my world. LE is a personal favorite. Don't worry, you never forget Darcy, IMHO, its just great to know that there are more characters who will do it for you. I have several, therefore assuring constant grin on countenance. Variety is the spice of life so they say, and I thoroughly enjoy the variety this man gives me.

(Pam)Don't have to tell me, Richard rocks my world. LE is a personal favorite. Thank you all for remebering Richard. Of course, who could ever forget Richard? ;-) LE is probably at the top of the list of my favorites. Yum! (LindaK)What, exactly, is "it";-) Definitely the way Richard wears a tux. And the line, "I'm amputating my leg at the knee." I love that line (though I hate seeing him beaten to a pulp soon afterwards). Oh, I love the men named Darcy and Paul and Ernest and them all, but Richard Hearncastle... sigh. Ok, I'll shut up now.

(LindaK)What, exactly, is "it";-) He says 'South Africa' ;-) This had me giggling like a schoolgirl with a Major crush. To begin with - before I had seen LE, I didn't like the heavy makeup Richard wears, and I can remember making a rude remark (here at Drool) about the clothing he wears ! But, Richard is in almost every scene and he carries LE in the same way in which Lizzy carried P&P.

(Leah) I didn't like the heavy makeup Richard wears Ah yes, the "scary picture" I put up on Drool's main page last Halloween. ;-) But, Richard is in almost every scene and he carries LE in the same way in which Lizzy carried P&P. I've found it is nearly impossible to fast forward through LE because, even when you have the music hall numbers (which I'd like to FF), they cut away to Richard for reaction shots constantly. I'm sure, if I practice more, I could do it.

(Karen)I've found it is nearly impossible to fast forward through LE Yes, and you miss Richard's voice overs as well. Oh that voice. The dance hall numbers were the only thing that got a bit tedious for me.

(Karen)I've found it is nearly impossible to fast forward through LE This is why I don't pop it into the machine! It's like a maze I can't get out of. No 10 minute Richard hits! And by the way, I loved the photo with the make-up. I think it gave him an exotic and once again *enigmatic* quality right until he falls off the bike!:-O)

(Karen) I've found it is nearly impossible to fast forward through LE I can't do it...when I sit down to LE (or P&P for that matter), I'm done for the day. That's it...that's what I'm doing!

So where are you guys finding this movie? Is it something even remotely available in the U.S.? I have not heard anything of it till this discussion, but now you have me all intrigued. I must know how to see it!! (Not that I'm demanding or anything.)

Lost Empires used to be very very rare. I remember my first video copies which were hideous quality came via New Zealand! My next set was better, but finally it came out on DVD and video last year. There's a link to purchase from The Boutique: http://www.firth.com/boutiq.html

(Karen) I've found it is nearly impossible to fast forward through LE because, even when you have the music hall numbers (which I'd like to FF), they cut away to Richard for reaction shots constantly. I'm sure, if I practice more, I could do it. Know what you mean but I learned the words and sing along and they go by faster. ;-) (Terry) I can't do it...when I sit down to LE (or P&P for that matter), I'm done for the day. That's it...that's what I'm doing! Me too. That's the plan. A rainy weekend day. Chores done and I'm gone. Never FF just sit through the whole thing, even replaying my favorite parts over and over. Can't get enough of Richard or Darcy. Just love both movies.

$25.00 for non-members but I bet it is worth every penny! http://www.englishpen.org/events/borrowrecordings/

OK, who is going to borrow it and make a copy? All costs will be reimbursed.

I can borrow and copy.

Lovely! Thank you, Aishling.

I'll send you a 5� note;-))

Look at what's on the best seller list...... http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/ I'm looking for a cheap replacement for WAGWs since I left mine with my niece as I couldn't think of a *cool* way to take it back after I viewed it with her publicly.;-)

Tress and I were chatting yesterday and I was lamenting that my favorite Ben & Jerry's flavor, From Russia With Buzz, had been sent to the flavor graveyard (Still praying for a reincarnation!) Which of course led to discussion of what a great job it must be to be a B&J flavor developer which in turn led to how wonderful it would be to lick Karamel Sutra off of ODB's (Whoops!) sorry, got carried away...Anyway, we thought how great would it be to come up with an ODB inspired flavor! One that incorporates Fair Trade and supports Oxfam and oh forget the ideals, are just plain silly...Here are a few suggestions for starters but I am sure that there are many more delectable OBD flavas just waiting to be born!! Donovan Chip What a Swirl Wants I Long for a Ball (Chocolate ice cream with Chocolate Malt Balls) Bridget Jones' Dairy Milk (Chocolate Ice Cream with Cadberry Dairy Milk bits in it!Two different kinds of nuts, since both Daniel and Mark were crazy about Bridge. No wait! banana AND hazelnuts AND Dairy Milk) Cookie Crumbdinium ( Anchovy flavored Fortune cookie crumbles in creamy okra ice cream...we never said it was good!) The Wedge of Cheesen (Cheesecake idea) Flavor Niche (Kind of a grab bag) A Thousand Bakers (?, shrug... caramelized brioche toffee with chocolate nut studs?) Circle of Blends (up to 5 different flavors!) ChocolateSoufflemaker ( a stretch, I admit) Swirl with a Pear Creaming (don't ask what PC is...still being worked out) Creme Fatale (a creme brulee-ish thing...)

LOL, Maria and Tress (Maria)ChocolateSoufflemaker ( a stretch, I admit) And to go along, I't guess you would like something "on the rocks"? :-)

ChocolateSoufflemaker, Creme Fatale ..... My mouth is starting to water.;-)

Wiggles of Fame...this is a jello treat. Trauma Mamma...banana (bah-nah-na)split with your choice of flavors. Ding Dong Decadent Darcy...a Pride and Prejudice delight (Annette)And to go along, I'd guess you would like something "on the rocks"? :-) There is always Rocky Road;-) (Maria)ChocolateSoufflemaker I'm into Bing-Cherrymaker, myself.

(Linda) I'm into Bing-Cherrymaker, myself. ROTFL...I may get into trouble for this one! Cherrymaker? Shouldn't it be Cherrybreaker? ;-)

(Tress)ROTFL...I may get into trouble for this one! Cherrymaker? Shouldn't it be Cherrybreaker? ;-) In this case, I think the cherry was broken long before the rocky road;-) I see you're out of your wimp mode. LOL.

Swirl with a Pear Creaming (don't ask what PC is...still being worked out) Ummmm, Maria, I think you should run this one by your husband. ;-)

(Karen) Ummmm, Maria, I think you should run this one by your husband. ;-) LOL..yeah Maria! Actually that one was mine, but Maria is more than welcome to see what her DH has to say about it, I'm kinda curious now!!;-D

Ladies this is simply brilliant. I needed a good laugh after putting up 15lbs of apples this afternoon. I couldn't think of an ice cream flavor, but how about Apple Country Crisp? On the Wiggles of Fame, you don't know how much of a double meaning that has because there is a kids' supergroup called The Wiggles for the youngest set. I bow to your creativity! Michelle

Oh, I had to wait several hours after reading this to return to the topic and post because every time I saw it I burst out laughing for several minutes and could not stop long enough to type. ;-) Thank you so much Maria and Tress for coming up with this very *tasty* game!!! Here are my feeble attempts: Latte Empires (a Fair Trade coffee swirl - could one possibly also add French tarts to ice cream?) Hour of the Praline (pralines, caramel, dark chocolate "you are dark but comely") Master of the S'more (chocolate ice cream with graham craker crumbles and marshmellows) or Matcha of the Morello Cherry (green tea ice cream with blood red brandied cherries (I had a combination of these flavors before and it was actually quite tasty))

LOL, Maria and Tress! Hot Creams (creme de menthe, Irish cream and heavy cream "need I say more?"

Great flavors ladies. LOL. I love Caramel Lick, with or without whipped cream myself.

Aww! But, but, my *cheque* is in the mail..... I miss Colin's birthday photo already!

not that you should consider this extortion... but the sooner we meet our goal, then sooner Colin's pic goes back up. ;-)

(Karen) but the sooner we meet our goal, then sooner Colin's pic goes back up. ;-) The check is in the mail (I swear!!!)...and I'm very fond of the corgis....but I suppose I would like to see ODB back up there ASAP. And Shoshana!!! ROTFL....Latte Empires (the Fair Trade coffee bit was great, but the French tarts sent it over the top!!) and Master of the S'more!!! Brilliant!

Ok, ok, pant, pant, pant..... It's in the bowl, in the bowl!

What fun, Maria and Tress, everyone. You start the creative juices flowing ;-) A-frappe-mint Zero (mint chocolate chip frappe, zero calories, yet very frothy on top) Or A-tart-mint Zero (tangy lemon mint sorbet, zero calories, to be eaten by itself without extras ;-\)

Thanks, Bossmeister. I was using a small "f", so you were right, as usual.. but don't let that universal truth go to your head. ;) I'm glad to be back, btw. I can send a donation when Daddy gets paid on Tuesday if that's not too late. I love brown-eyed boys as well as most of you, but If I must gaze upon a likeness of one (especially if he's warm, cuddly and prone to jump on me and lick my face) I'd much rather he be of the Colin variety than the Corgi. ;)

Moved from Topic 176 (but not specifically to Darcy Drool... (Michelle) I took the dive today and am no longer a Colin DVD virgin. I ordered my *first* ODB movie...and ended up with P&P since that movie got me started on this journey. Oh Michelle! Good choice! Totally ignoring the fact the man was *made* for period clothes, considering you get @ 6 hours, the return on investment is spectacular! Congratulations and happy viewing! (I think I'll go tune in to a little Stairmaster just to celebrate with you!)

Some new pics posted !!! http://colinfirth.casa-feliz.net/images/

Thanks Maria!!! Some pretty yummy ones! He sure does make a handsome stable boy! Wonder if he gives riding lessons?! (I tried, I really tried not to go there, but I thought about it for a moment and everyone knows she who hesitates is lost!)

Great find Maria. My fave: The Woodchopper;-)

(BarbS) He sure does make a handsome stable boy! Wonder if he gives riding lessons?! ROTFL....I'll give him somethin' to ride! And that was waaaaaay over that line I drew that I said I wouldn't cross....;-) OMG...the Steven Pyke black and whites....Thank you Maria! A lovely distraction!

Just a quick glance, but I'd say Steven Pyke did the photos for the German Vogue, you know, the one with MEM and her wallpaper samples. ;-) I'll have to go check it out. Thanks, Maria, for keeping tabs on that site. Wonder what the Colin Bell ones are or were for. Doesn't look like any we've seen...except...Wait!!! I think I've got. There's a fairly recent one of Colin sitting on front steps. It's with an article.

(Tress) I'll give him somethin' to ride! And that was waaaaaay over that line I drew that I said I wouldn't cross....;-) If you hadn't gone there, I would have! ;-D I tell ya, quite a few of my overall favorite pics of ODB's are Colin Bell's. He really knows how to get the most out of a shoot with Colin. He always seems so happy and relaxed in his pics. Love the untucked, rolled sleeves, and *waaaay* open collar in a couple of them. ;-D Like the B/W's, too. Thanks, Maria!!

(Tress) I'll give him somethin' to ride! Hang on there Missey!.... I gave him the Tex Tan Tex Flex pleasure saddle:-) (Dorine)If you hadn't gone there, I would have! ;-D I've been there all afternoon;-)

Thanks, Maria! It looks like it could be Umbria. But where does the Casa Feliz come from? ;-)

(Linda) I've been there all afternoon;-) ROFLOL Well then Missey, it's time to hop on down and give someone else a chance!

Maria, thanks so much for the link to the photos. I swear there should be a warning posted at that site--my heart can't take it! ;-) (Dorine) I tell ya, quite a few of my overall favorite pics of ODB's are Colin Bell's. He really knows how to get the most out of a shoot with Colin. Couldn't agree more, Dorine. He always seems so happy and relaxed in his pics. Bell captures a pensive quality of ODB's quite often, too.

(LisaJH) Maria, thanks so much for the link to the photos. I swear there should be a warning posted at that site--my heart can't take it! ;-) Yes, thank you VERY much. My heart just stopped. That man is gorgeous !!!!!

I just spent a torturous hour covering for someone who's computer was on the fritz...tap tap tap..fidget, squirm, only 58 min 37 seconds to go..tap tap tap,impatiently sigh, peruse the Logistics Today magazine, almost collapse from boredom.. aha! A dictionary! Better self by looking up handsome words...Anyway, what is the ODB point in all this? Just this..If you start in the dictionary at words that start with in and go through to words that start with im, there are an amazing number of words that seem to be from P&P or from other ODB films or that just plain remind you of them, or him, or both... I know, the dictionary is FULL of words that ODB has spoken..;-))But the IN words in particular seem like JA had her dictionary open to those pages when writing.. IM - immaterial,impartial,impecunious,imperious,impertinent,implacable,impolitic, importune,impugn See? IN - inarticulate,incivility, incubus(sounds like..), indecorous,indifferent, inherit, insuperable, insupportable(these last two follow one another...), intellect, intolerable Anyway, sorry to bore the pants off all of you, I am just so glad to be in front of my computer again I could hug it...

(Maria)...aha! A dictionary! Better self by looking up handsome words... LOL! No, you did not bore me as your little diversion combines dictionaries (laudible and enjoyable tomes they are) and ODB, two wonderful things (one perhaps significantly more wonderful than the other...). ;-) insupportable Who other that Colin could make that word so sexy?

(Maria) incubus(sounds like..) would this be the 'fucking succubus' remark?

Yep! That would be it! succubus -A female demon supposed to descend upon and have sexual intercourse with a man while he sleeps. incubus - An evil spirit supposed to descend upon and have sexual intercourse with women as they sleep. The things we learn here.Yet another reason why drooling is important.(As if we needed another reason..)

(Maria)succubus -A female demon supposed to descend upon and have sexual intercourse with a man while he sleeps. So Colin's line in FF really didn't need the extra "f" adjective. But that really makes the line funnier. ;-) You're right, Maria, the things we learn here ;-D. And thanks for finding so many of them!

So "effing succubous" is redundant, no? ;-)

(LisaJH)So "effing succubous" is redundant, no? ;-) But wasn't he so drunk that Joe actually said, "She's a succubus, a sucking fuccubus (sp?)." That would be doubly redundant. ;-)

How we doin' on the Drool goal, boss. I'm getting kinda'sick of those dogs.

Wrong CF but check out the leash.

Charming all the pretty young things and probably feigning ignorance as to his appeal..;-)) From an IMDB interview with Keira Knightley You're also in Love Actually. It's a big old ensemble piece with entwining love stories. My part's really tiny - just 5 scenes - but really beautiful, and I get married and kiss some gorgeous guy and wear nice clothes with great make up. I marry Chiwetel Ejiofor who's in Stephen Frears' Dirty Pretty Things and Andy Lincoln's the other man, but I can't reveal anymore. What about working with Hugh Grant? Our paths cross in the film, but we sadly don't have a proper scene together. I met him a few times, and I also did a few days with Colin Firth who I absolutely love! He's fantastic and really cool, and we had a real giggle. Here is the link but to me it sounds like Charlie Brown adults after the ODB bit..:-) http://keiraknightley.free.fr/News/STORY9.html

Thanks, Maria! So it's CF over HG for Kiera. ;-)

(Keira)and I also did a few days with Colin Firth who I absolutely love! He's fantastic and really cool, and we had a real giggle. Maria - thank you! I would adore to have a real giggle with Colin! *Lydia-like sigh.*

MCP here....it really is getting to annoy me that Colin's co-stars only comment on "how funny he is." :-(

He's fantastic and really cool, and we had a real giggle. MCP here....it really is getting to annoy me that Colin's co-stars only comment on "how funny he is." :-( Now Ms. Pants, I beg to differ. The above line had me wondering *fantastic at what?, really cool how? and what the hell were they giggling about?* I found it couched well enough to play with, actually;-)

Thanks, Maria. Beedee what a fertile imagination you have;-) (Beedee)Now Ms. Pants, LOL. (MCP)....it really is getting to annoy me that Colin's co-stars only comment on "how funny he is." :-( SJ did say he was a "charmer".

*ha ha* Would any of the quotaholics remind me of the last time (if ever) a co-star commented on how brilliant an actor Colin was...that kind of thing. And give me a big nudge if you can find a quote about what a great kisser he is. ;-) Ms Pants might lay low for awhile with that kind of motivation.

Now Ms. Pants....I don't take anything that ODB's twelve year old co-stars have to say too seriously! I bet he is a hoot...and I know he's a great actor. That the youngsters don't gush on that is understandable. They are too busy thinking about what flavored lip gloss to wear! ;-D

Scarlett Johansson. In Style September 2003 my favorite co-star--"Colin Firth. He's sensitive and adorable and an incredible actor. It was just a total pleasure to work with him."

Scarlett Johansson. In Style September 2003 my favorite co-star--"Colin Firth. He's sensitive and adorable and an incredible actor. It was just a total pleasure to work with him." Seems *she* was disposed to be generous in her comments, what a shame there was no kiss...

Cut that out, Mari, I know you're making that up. Next you'll post one from Judi Dench about how great a kisser he is. ;-)

Nope, that's a real quote from SJ. Am sure I or someone else posted it on the news board.

(Mari)Nope, that's a real quote from SJ. Am sure I or someone else posted it on the news board. Yep, I think it was from Entertainment Weekly or NY Times. I posted a few of those...just keeping the record straight for MCP.

(Karen) And give me a big nudge if you can find a quote about what a great kisser he is. ;-) LOL! I hope I'll never find a quote about that. It bothers me a great deal every time I read that kind of c**p. Those kisses are supposed to be fake, right? They just have to look yummy. ;-) Thanks for all the great info that had been posted in the last few days. We've just moved and I've been without internet for a while, so all that new stuff helped a great deal to cure my withdrawal symptoms. It's amazing how addicted one can get, and how wonderful it feels to be able to come back. Whew! Much better... :-)

(SJ), "Colin Firth. He's sensitive and adorable and an incredible actor. It was just a total pleasure to work with him." "And was able to follow my suggestions perfectly, unlike some of the others." ;-)))))

LOL, Moon. Gwynnie said something similar . Colin and Joe Fiennes taught her how to articulate the Shakespeare dialogue. She thanked him in one of the award acceptances.

Didn't Renee say he was a tremendous actor and made her feel so comfortable on the set?

There's a lovely new pic from an Italian magazine posted at CFFW. Very nice!!

Eventually, I'll have it myself...well, as soon as that guy in Italy sends it. :-(

On second viewing of the new pic (who am I kidding?) it looks like he's wearing that cord round his neck, and I think there's some sort of medallion at the end. Can't see it too well, though. Maybe Karen's pic will be clearer.

The Rugby World cup started the weekend, and (as with everything), there is a CF connection. The theme song for the world cup is the same tune that Another Country got it's name from (I vow to thee my country).

On second viewing of the new pic (who am I kidding?) it looks like he's wearing that cord round his neck, and I think there's some sort of medallion at the end. Can't see it too well, though. Just came back from my m-in-laws 85th b'day celebration and I seem to have seen similar on many cohorts! It may be an *I've fallen and I can't get up* alarm!! Oh no! It can't be so, ...........;-))) Must have just spent too much time with the old folks back home.

This was posted today but looks to be almost entirely recycled.. http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=199574&in_page_id=119

(MariaT) This was posted today but looks to be almost entirely recycled.. I've never read anything about nude photos, but it's good to know for the future ;-) ;-)

(MariaT) This was posted today but looks to be almost entirely recycled.. (LeahP) I've never read anything about nude photos, but it's good to know for the future ;-) ;-) Yea, that was the bit that made me use the word "almost"..;-))

It's an excerpt of the W Magazine article that has just come out. Or will be coming out soon in some areas. The one with Jennifer Garner on the cover.

While searching here, there and everywhere for BJD2 stuff, I ran across this rather interesting pic I'd never seen before: Wonder what it was taken for or if it was ever used.

Great picture, Karen. I guess the making of Valmont wasn't as serious all the time as some of the article suggested. Perhaps this is the wrong phrase - what I meant is, if I remember correctly, Milos Forman was said to give very specific directions. So - I guess his direction here was: Don't worry - be happy :-)

Thanks for the fun picture, Karen! Looks like Colin and Annette B. are trying to start a conga line. ;-) But where are Meg and Fairuza?

Thanks for the smiley Valmont Karen! Posting a link to the HS premiere in April..Humor me, after scrolling through this site for the past hour and a half my hand is cramped and I think I will need to have the mouse surgically removed from my clawlike grasp on it (And I still have to go to work for 10 hours, Oh noooo :-O...) I think there may be a couple of shots I had not seen before, one with David Ginola http://www.globephotos.com/scripts/kws30pre.exe?site=GLOBEPH&maxhits=12&picktype=GfxOnly&type=GfxOnly&search=[K30268GLK+A12963]&hmessage='+HOPE+SPRINGS+'+-UK+PREMIER+++ODEON+WEST+END,+LONDON++04/28/2203&ShowTotal=on&fmaxhits=&submit=lsearch

I don't know if this has been posted before, there is a new edition of GWAPE at Chapters/Indigo Canada with Colin and Scarlett on the cover. I didn't see it at Amazon or anywhere else. I ran out today and got myself a copy, it is so lovely! I wish I had it with me when I saw Colin at the TIFF, I would've loved him to sign it for me. But it just came out. One day maybe..., but can lightning strike twice on the same spot? We'll see... :-) Take a peek: http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/item.asp?N=35&R=867030&act=A03&Item=978045228493&Section=books&Catalog=Books&Lang=en&mscssid=2Q35628BWR3W9PQ22JB921F1W8T33E11&WSID=2312031424231AB14400B746749888381D371803

Katty sent me a scan of the November 1989 Premiere magazine profile of Colin, which I've put up here: http://www.firth.com/articles/89premiere_nov.html No change (pre/post Valmont) in the "jobbing" actor's attitudes. ;-)

Thanks Karen! (Premiere article) �I�ve never thought of having a �career,�� says Firth, all pro forma British effacement. �For me it�s just one job and then another job.� As it is, he expects, �In ten years� time I�ll get over this nonsense� and leave acting. An idle threat, one hopes. Hmmmmm...you're right about the jobbing actor thing! Glad the ten year deadline came and went. Sssshhhhh........maybe he forgot about it!

So with all of the hoopla of the up-coming series I watched the original Dr. Zivago last night. It was wonderful but I kept thinking of ODB in Omar's performance. It's all in the eyes. I kept thinking of FD. Silly girl, I tell myself. You've really got to get a hold of this obsession as it's getting in the way. But this morning I was watching the *making of* disk and Omar was telling of his frustration because David Lean kept telling him to *do nothing*! I feel vindicated! Dr. Z really is a stunning film. Do I really want to see KN as Lara?

What with all the kissing going on in TEOR, does anyone know if there is a worse kisser than Jess Clarke? I watched ATA and was shuddering for all the wrong reasons ;-(

Okay, a bit from left field here, but is anyone else reminded of Louis Jordan when they watch Valmont? I think the young CF looks a lot like the young LJ. Not so much any more though.

It just never ends;-) Same old stuff but the rest of the categories and nominations are pretty interesting;-) It's time to turn the lights down low, get comfortable, loosen your clothes and vote for the 100 Greatest Sexy Moments ever seen on screen. Pride And Prejudice (1995) The BBC's lavish adaptation of Jane Austen's classic novel launched Colin Firth as the misunderstood Mr Darcy at the heart of Elizabeth's affections. In what has become known as 'the most erotic moment in costume drama' Darcy appears from a lake in a wet shirt to a bewildered Elizabeth who can barely contain her glee. No sex here but the proof is in the frenzy the scene caused nationwide. http://www.channel4.com/film/newsfeatures/microsites/S/sexy/index.html

a bewildered Elizabeth who can barely contain her glee. I didn't think she appeared gleeful at all, except the head to toe look, but that wasn't particularly gleeful. And I thought there were other sexier moments in there with the 2 of them. Thanks, Linda.

I'm putting this here. I know it was discussed on 184 when the fashion faux pas occurred. RE: Brown shoes/blue suit I was watching GMA this morning and Tom Jones was on. He had on a very blue suit with very brown shoes. Now I ask you, could this be a UK-male phenomenon? Or did Mr. Jones forget his 'other' shoes as well?;-) Maybe it's just a UK-male celebrity thing? Mark? UK ladies? Anyone?

(Linda)RE: Brown shoes/blue suit I just saw this on QEFTSG! Thought of here! The transit cop....I'm v. behind.

Here is something not too many will ever hear... My gym instructor, who is about 6'4, muscle-ish and black (reminds me of Michael Clarke Duncan from The Green Mile, bald and all)was talking this morning about recent movies he has been to. He commented on Mystic River, Matrix 2, and then he started talking about this "sleeper" that he really enjoyed called HS! I almosted fainted! (Well, I was midway to fainting through that set of situps anyway but I digress...)Another lady asked him about saying she had not heard of it (Wot?!)He jumped into a silly English accent to explain the premise (and did a good job of it actually)and said he really enjoyed it! Took the opportunity though to tell him to go see LA, and he is going today! BTW, he is not gay but did not even mention going for HG! The fact that he was one of the couple hundred or so folks that saw it during it's week long run but that he liked it enough to bring it up 6 weeks after blew me away.. !? A little bit later he was telling us how happy he was that he had convinced one of his clients to quit smoking. She claimed the smoking calmed her nerves. He told her, "It's not the smoking, it's the ......breathing! Are the vibes I am sending out influencing reality? Or have I actually broken off from reality? And actually, speaking of actually, has anyone else noticed themselves starting and ending sentences with actually? Makes a good pause term too, just ask Daphne, "Actuallyyyyyyy, no. Thanks"...See, more slippage into the Parallel ODB universe...

(Maria) BTW, he is not gay but did not even mention going for HG! Yeah, right...actually. ;-)

(Maria)has anyone else noticed themselves starting and ending sentences with actually? Makes a good pause term too,. It does, actually (Maria)It's not the smoking, it's the ......breathing! Are the vibes I am sending out influencing reality? Actually, it's a hard one to call. Loved your story, Maria. I've been in a parallel universe since last Thursday, actually;-)

(Maria)has anyone else noticed themselves starting and ending sentences with actually? Makes a good pause term too,. I hadn't noticed, actually....;-) I've just had this silly little song in my head for days that drowns out everything else (hum a few bars with me...."I feel in my fingers...")

(Tress)I've just had this silly little song in my head for days that drowns out everything else (hum a few bars with me...."I feel in my fingers...") You havn't been alone! I feel it in my Tooooeeesss!!! :-))

(Maria)has anyone else noticed themselves starting and ending sentences with actually? Makes a good pause term too,. Actually, I have ab-so-lute'-ly felt like I'm in a parellel universe since last week. And Maria, I actually enjoyed your gym tale.;-)

(Tress)I've just had this silly little song in my head for days that drowns out everything else (hum a few bars with me...."I feel in my fingers...") (Maria)You havn't been alone! I feel it in my Tooooeeesss!!! :-)) Ahhh . .(***singing along . .) "Love is all around . . . uh . . Christmas is all around us . ."

Hmm . .not sure if this goes under here or Odds and Ends? Wanted to share one of my favorite sites with you all . . . You proabably already know about it, if you enjoy . .well period movies, books, anything!) Eras of Elegance - www.erasofelegancecom It relates to ODB as to one of my favorite parts of the site! - The movie guides are fabulous! Love their pics, behind the scenes commentary their from novel to screenplay sections! See the ones here below for P&P, TIOBE, GWAPE, SIL! http://www.erasofelegance.com/moviepride.html http://www.erasofelegance.com/movieearnest.html http://www.erasofelegance.com/moviepearlearring.html http://www.erasofelegance.com/movieshakespeare.html

Hmm . .not sure if this goes under here or Odds and Ends? Wanted to share one of my favorite sites with you all . . . You proabably already know about it, if you enjoy . .well period movies, books, anything!) Eras of Elegance - www.erasofelegance.com It relates to ODB as to one of my favorite parts of the site! - The movie guides are fabulous! Love their pics, behind the scenes commentary their from novel to screenplay sections! See the ones here below for P&P, TIOBE, GWAPE, SIL! http://www.erasofelegance.com/moviepride.html http://www.erasofelegance.com/movieearnest.html http://www.erasofelegance.com/moviepearlearring.html http://www.erasofelegance.com/movieshakespeare.html

I posted that last one twice, finger slipped .. .sorry!

Maria, actually, I know exactly, what you mean :-) Loved your story. If only we had a gym-teacher available here, who knew anything about English movies, I might consider starting again :-) humming along "I feel it in my fingers, I feel it in my toes ...." (well, all over, actually :-))))

Interesting site and this *is* where you would post such info. BTW, there's never a need to correct one's spelling or apologize for a posting mistake in another post. Most of us can figure it out, plus our old self-appointed grammar police no longer longer posts here. ;-)

(Tress)I've just had this silly little song in my head for days that drowns out everything else (hum a few bars with me...."I feel in my fingers...") LOL, me too!!! And after spending 40 minutes admiring (at close range) those hands, and trying to mentally calculate the actual length of those fingers...oh baby, ..."love is all around me, come on and let it grow"

(Maria)It's not the smoking, it's the ......breathing! Are the vibes I am sending out influencing reality? LOL. HS, LA... methinks he's ready for FP. My gym instructor, who is about 6'4, muscle-ish and black (reminds me of Michael Clarke Duncan from The Green Mile, bald and all) Might not be a fan (yet) but this does change the demographic a bit, wouldn't you say so Colin? ;-) Hmmm, wonder if MCD lookalike has a DD? Maria, thanks for sharing your story. Kimberly, thanks for the links.

A little silly observation. You all remember the picture from GWAPE with Griet and Vermeer under the rug/whatever looking into the camera obscura. I thought there were something familiar with that scene, and now I know what: There is a scene in AMITC, where Moon gets on the scaffold and we see him and Birkin from the side, very little light looking at the painting/wall. It's the scene just before he goes to the graveyard and sees Mrs Keach for the first time. As I said at the beginning, very silly - but it put my mind at ease about the de-ja-vue :-)

Another little silly observation. I popped in my P&P DVD last night for a few minutes of Darcy Heaven, and noticed something I haven't before. The footman Lizzy sort of bumps into on her way to the billiard room at Netherfield is played by the same actor who was the butler(announcer) in WAGW at the Orwood ball. I couldn't believe it, so I checked IMDb just to make sure I wasn't really insane. It's him all right, I haven't gone completely mad yet. :-)

Holy cow! And you noticed this? ;-)

There are many who like to collect music, books, etc., associated with Colin's movies. The music from A Month in the Country is contained on this CD by Howard Blake - Violin Concerto "The Leeds" for which an online reviewer wrote:In addition, ASV has included Blake's Suite for Strings (1986), called "A Month In The Country," and runs a moody twelve or so minutes. Again, it is music that is both beautiful and accessible (and originally commissioned as a film score). Its five movements, mostly slow, have titles such as "Idyll" and "Elegy." It's one of my favorite 20th Century works, although far too short for me.Here is the url and I'll add it to the Boutique page too: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000030V3/spring-20/

Karen)Holy cow! And you noticed this? ;-) Imagine that. ;-) Come on, I'm overexcited. Too much Colin stuff gone to my head. I love it. :-)

Karen)Holy cow! And you noticed this? ;-) (Ildi) Imagine that. ;-) Wow, I'm impressed. Thought I had P&P faces memorized by now. Guess I need another viewing. You don't know how I suffer ;-)

(Tiscali Entertainment CF bio on 184) Budgeted at $35 million, much of the money being spent on sumptuous sets, Valmont was an excellent production Went to an all day filmmaking seminar a in Oct where one of the speakers was a producer of well known movies. He said, "The last thing I'm going to tell you, is to rent 2 movies, Dangerous Liasons........and Valmont. One will show you how a good movie isn't made, the other one will show you how a good movie is made. " (Paraphrasing) he said one was a great story of how beautiful Paris and the French countryside is, and the other told a story tightly. For instance, in DL, many shots are confined to corners or in rooms requiring little set up vs. Valmont with sprawling shots of estates, etc. And then he left. I would have chased after him while waiting for the next panel to set up, to see what else he had to say about that, but I incorrectly thought he would be at the reception they were having later.

So this guy thought DL was the good movie, right?

Some more silly stuff if you can endure it. I watched a bit of WAGW last night, and asked myself for the umpteenth time why it was that in almost every scene the top of Colin's head was cut off. I noticed that also in BJD and Conspiracy. And it doesn't just happen with the closeups, I see it all the time, and it baffles me. If they do a closeup why not include his entire head? Since I haven't seen many of Colin's earlier films I don't know what the situation is with those, but some of the new ones have this particular "problem". Anybody knows a reason for this?

Are you watching it on DVD or tape? Is the DVD/tape widescreen (letter boxed) or has it been modified to fill the screen?

I have the widescreen DVDs, but I'm not sure that is the problem, since my TIOBE is widescreen too, and Colin's head is intact in that one. I checked some websites that post snaps from DVDs and saw the same thing there.

Ah...well, it's not all that uncommon to frame a shot without showing the top of the head. But then again, I haven't paid much attention to it.

I wouldn't pay much attention to it either if it weren't Colin's head. I like to see as much of it as possible. :-)

(Ildi) why it was that in almost every scene the top of Colin's head was cut off. I noticed that also in BJD and Conspiracy Funny you should mention that. I noticed it big time in BJD, bothers me still today especially since no one else in the movie suffers such treatment. He's not the tallest actor in the world. Why him?

(Ildi) why it was that in almost every scene the top of Colin's head was cut off. I noticed that also in BJD and Conspiracy (Sonia) Funny you should mention that. I noticed it big time in BJD, bothers me still today especially since no one else in the movie suffers such treatment. Perhaps they are trying to 'cover' the bit of his head where the fur has been loved off?? I actually have not noticed, but it may have something to do with shorter co-stars too. If you want things to be framed 'nicely' in a shot...interesting. I'll have to have a 'go look-see'...this type of research is so torturous! ;-)

Hope Springs DVD/VHS is available to rent in the UK. ( Ex-rental copies go on sale next week). Rated by Blockbuster customers (UK's biggest Video Rental Store): Brilliant 42.9% Very Good 9.5% Worth a Look 23.8% Disappointing 14.3% Dreadful 9.5%

(Tress) "Perhaps they are trying to 'cover' the bit of his head where the fur has been loved off?? " SNORT! v.v. funny one, Tress -- thinking of ODB as a big ole teddy bear flopped back against my bed pillows! I also have noticed the head-chopping. Especially bothersome in the "I love you just the way you are" scene with the lighted tree branches behind him. Incomprehensible why they couldn't just raise camera a hair's bredth.

(Tress) Perhaps they are trying to 'cover' the bit of his head where the fur has been loved off?? LOL! Nah, his fur seemed to be in pretty good shape in WAGW (Can you picture ODB in curlers?), so I'm tempted to think that the camera guy (or whatever the proper terminology is) did a lousy job. In the other movies too. Even if he is not alone in the frame they could always zoom back a bit. I simply can't understand why they have to do this. :-(

(Ildi)(Can you picture ODB in curlers?), Yes, LOL! He had that lovely hairclip in the TIOBE extras.

Bee - I'm here . .did you want to talk about SLOW? . .What was your fav scene?

I am also newish to SLOW, and so the 'carpentry' jokes also went over my head for a while... One of my favorite scenes is the 'icecream eating scene'. I love that casual, leaning, look.

(Kimberly)What was your fav scene? You mean besides *say my name*?;-) This one is an *eve candy* treat for me. I think he's beautiful in most every shot.... Ok, every shot. If you're interested there was a very interesting Film Discussion at this location: Topic 158 of 184 [drool]: Colin Firth - Film Discussions (part III) Response 1064 of 1367: Karen (KarenR) * Sun, Jul 20, 2003 (22:56) * 18 lines I love reading film discussions when I have the time as it gives me lots of slants and PsOV (points of view)and this is one thoughtful group!

Actually the carpentry joke would refer to what he did while living in Canada.

Okay...I had to move this from CF to Firthology as I was going to go waaaaay off topic: (Silly me) You didn't do the 'universal' your fly is down sign to him? (Linda) LOL, would you? ROTFL...on reflection, I believe that Evelyn and Mari did the absolute right thing by not telling ODB that his fly was down. That theater holds, what? Two hundred? At most? If they had told ODB to pull zipper up, there may have been a scene in the parking lot later! But can you imagine OPDB's (add poor in there) surprise when he went to change into the next costume for Scene Two? When he realized he had just spent ninety minutes in front of two hundred (guessing 150 women), many toting binos, with his fly down? LOL... So now the question....Evelyn, Mari...boxers or briefs? ;-)

(Tress)Evelyn, Mari...boxers or briefs? ;-) Ask the boss...she was in the first row;-))) The whole first act of that performance was fraught with calamities. OPDB turned on a faucet and then it wouldn't shut off. More angst:-((((

(karen)Actually the carpentry joke would refer to what he did while living in Canada. Ahh . .thought it was all that "banging and screwing" Nimi talked about in Matthew's writing .and his later remark, "See, I'm not just a carpenter . ." or something like that;) Bee - thanks for the links to the film discussions . .will get to them asap! Will agree with you . .ODB did look very nice in this film. Liked the deep jewel toned colored shirts that wardrobe put him in . .the deep blue, green and red ones (hope he took those off the set!). Fav scenes of mine from SLOW: When he's on the phone with Nimi when she calls to say that Sammy disappears . .love that "Well, you'll rise above it!" he spits back at his wife. Also like following scene when he comes to Nimi's house to try to be of some help. But my top favorite was actually the one where he and Sammy are outside talking to each other sitting on the wall . .and when Nimi asks what they are doing Matthew says, "We are playing men saying bang very loudly". Then Sammy says "bang" and Matthew mock dies and falls backward off the wall . .it's just such a sweet, silly scene . .it just makes me smile when I see it. Ahhh . .to those lucky girls who made it over to see him in TDOR .I envy you . .what a treat to see him act live . . .that's an interesting play too, I read it recently . . . love the opportunity of playing two different characters in a single play . .ahh, Colin . .please do some more theatre soon!

Wasn't sure where to put this... November 11, 2003 LA Confidential There are two ways to succeed in Hollywood, and only two ways: a) total blind luck, and b) formula. Since you never ever want to put your life's eggs in the blind luck basket, if you want to succeed in Hollywood, you will devote yourself to the formula. Fortunately for you, I will now present the simplest possible formula that you can follow in order to get your screenplay produced. This formula is the romantic comedy. Pay careful attention, because you are not just going to write this script and pitch it to writing agents, you are ALSO going to write it with very specific actors/actresses in mind, so that you can take it to THEIR agents. Here then, is your recipe for a highly successful hollywood romantic comedy. Lead Actresses (choose one): - Sandra Bullock - Julia Roberts - Renee Zellweger Lead Actors (choose one): - Hugh Grant Choose the role for your male lead from one of the following: - Ruthless Business Tycoon - Ruthless Attorney - Misunderstood and overworked Business Tycoon - Misunderstood and overworked Attorney - Hapless but Charming Dreamer - Ruthless but Misunderstood and Charming Politician Choose your female lead from any of the above roles or the following two additional roles: - Maid - Hooker Ok, we're all set. Let's say we've chosen our male lead, hugh grant, who will be playing a Ruthless Business Tycoon, and our female lead, Julia Roberts, who will be playing a maid. Are we done? no, we are not done, but relax, that was the hard part. We still need a supporting cast, and we can't forget the actual script. For our supporting actor, we can choose from any of the following: - Any male actor on the face of the planet who is not immediately and only associated with "blowing things up in action movies". Thus, we only need eliminate Arnold, Vin, The Rock, and unfortunately, Wesley Snipes For our supporting actress, we can choose any two of the following, but one of them must be non-caucasian, the reason for which will become apparent shortly: - Queen Latifah - Emma Thompson - Anybody now or formerly in a prime time network television show Lastly, we need to add Colin Firth to the cast, as it is now a rule that he appear in all romantic comedies. we'll figure out what to do with him soon enough. First, we need roles for our supporting actor/actresses. Choose from one of the following roles for your male supporting actor: - Evil aide to the good male lead - Good aide to the heretofore evil male lead Choose a role for your female supporting actresses from either of the above or the following additional roles: - Maid - Hooker - Female lead's neighbor who brings over pot or booze - Poor person working a demeaning service job who bumps into female or male lead at random but frequent intervals Now, two more things before we write our script: first of all, have colin firth do anything, it doesn't matter, he just needs to be in the damned film. Moving on, we come to our non-caucasian female supporting actress. It is the role of this person to play "God" in our film. God is the all-knowing, all-observing, wise counsel to our female or male lead that helps point them in the right direction. it is critical that they play up their non-caucasianess because this is where 93% of the film's laughs come from. If hugh grant's mother tells him to stop being evil and instead focus on his true love and the importance of relationships in his life, we are all headed right for the exits...blagh! nobody wants to hear that garbage! If, however, the female lead goes into a hotel and queen latifah is at the concierge desk and queen latifah gives our female lead sage advice in "street" language like "girl, my man pulls up in a bentley like that, i'm locking myself IN the room, not runnin out for the night!"...wh tever, the dialogue's not important. what is important is that God be played by a non-white person with plenty of attitude. Also note that the non-causcasian actress must delicately balance her role as "street God" against a desire by people viewing Romantic Comedies not to see too much reality. Thus, this actress can't be too real, it has to be very two-dimensional with lots of "white street" words, like "girlfriend" and "you go, Girl" and such. Don't start throwing real hip-hop language around or we'll lose our audience. Now for the dialogue. Relax, i told you the hard part was over! Take a deep breath and go find the scripts for the following movies: Four Weddings and a Funeral Pretty Woman Any other romantic comedy! Now simply cut and paste snippets of dialogue from 6 or more movies, being sure to get at least one fight between male and female lead scene, one fight between male lead and male or female supporting actor scene, one fight between female lead and male or female supporting actor scene, and one sex scene which goes at the end of the movie. You are done! Look at you, you just wrote a successful hollywood romantic comedy. what are you waiting for, get out there and sell sell sell! ps, some people have said to me that you can't just cut and paste dialogue becuase people will recognize it from the other successful film and accuse you of plagiarism. To those people i say, are you kidding? do you get out much? wake up and smell the broccoli, sister. I'll prove it to you. try to match the following bit of dialogue with the movie whence it came. i'll even make it easier by giving you multiple choice: GIRL [guy's name], it's three in the morning. I'm really not in the mood for one of your practical jokes. GUY (insistent) It's not a joke.[...] look, just come up and see him, okay? Five minutes, that's all I ask. KAREN I thought you promised to give me some distance? GUY This is purely professional, Karen, I swear! Karen rolls her eyes, lets loose a tired sigh. KAREN Five minutes, not a second more. And I don't want to hear a word about "us". GUY No problem. Your choices are "Pretty Woman", "Love, Actually", or "Two Weeks Notice". tick, tock, tick, tock............Give up? come on, don't give up! Games are fun! ok, give up? the dialogue is lifted DIRECTLY from the movie...."Blade", starring Wesley Snipes as some sort of man from the future or something with a sword. The point being, this isn't even a romantic comedy, and you still can't tell because the dialogue JUST DOESNT MATTER. you need only line up the right cast with the right premise and then just ask the director to please shoot the movie in 30 days or less so harvey weinstein doesn't come over to england and go postal on your butt. One last thing, if you do lift your dialogue from films not traditionally considered romantic comedies, be sure to take out lines that hugh grant would never say, such as "That doesn't look like human blood" or "I'm your father, Luke" You're very welcome. http://www.burningdoor.com/dick/archives/000215.html

Maria - TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!! Lastly, we need to add Colin Firth to the cast, as it is now a rule that he appear in all romantic comedies. we'll figure out what to do with him soon enough. Now, two more things before we write our script: first of all, have colin firth do anything, it doesn't matter, he just needs to be in the damned film. Well, it sells tickets, doesn't it? . . . Oh, and there must be also something about him having to fall/jump/be pushed into some lake/pond/river/ocean/some odd body of water fully clothed. That'll sell even more tixs.

..." it is now a rule that he appear in all romantic comedies." :-((((((((((

LOL, Maria. Where do you find these things? we'll figure out what to do with him soon enough. I've never had any problem figuring that out;-)

..." it is now a rule that he appear in all romantic comedies." (Evelyn) :-(((((((((( I'll see your 10 left parens and raise you at least 50! Am shuddering at what alternate universe that writer lives in. As he/sh/it says "are you kidding? do you get out much? wake up and smell the broccoli, sister." (yes, I know it is supposed to be funny)

New Year's Resolution: Inasmuch as "The ship has turned around"... ..... "We are smelling the coffee" ...........and the "Range is broad".... I am going to stop discussing stinkers and take positive approach on new era in the horizon. So there;-)

What are you smoking? ;-)

(Evelyn) I am going to stop discussing stinkers Oh, you're no fun. ;-)

LOL. A new me ;-)

(Evelyn)I am going to stop discussing stinkers and take positive approach on new era in the horizon. Great, Evelyn. I'll take a seat at your table any day, knowing something good will turn up :-) I might even watch Camille in a day or two

(Evelyn)I am going to stop discussing stinkers and take positive approach on new era in the horizon. So there;-) (Karen) What are you smoking? ;-) Must be the *nog*, I think it's a lovely sentiment but I'll just bet you won't be able to hold that slur the next time SLOW comes up...;-)))

(Bee Dee)I'll just bet you won't be able to hold that slur the next time SLOW comes up...;-))) LOL.*Rolling eyes* doesn't count;-)

(Ev)LOL.*Rolling eyes* doesn't count;-) Then it's a deal, count me in..;-))

Continuing the O&E discussion...as they say "bottoms up"

Someone wanted to see Colin on the stairs in bare feet? I don't remember what mag this is from. I have had it around for years.

Murph to the rescue!!Thanks ole buddie. Alright so he doesn't have a tux on....I wuz close...he's wearing black 'n white;-) European mag...has to be. Look at that heating radiator. I luv that pic...other good toesies one is Lord Dashwood in the playground with AB. *sigh*

Wasn't it in that Swedish or Finnish Anna mag? The one that Elena brought to London?

(Karen) Does 181 (Firthology) have cooties or something? All right, that's it. I'm going to ask. Please don't laugh, but what the heck is "cooties"? I've heard that word before, applied to girls, but since it sounded something very silly I never dared to ask. Someone please enlighten me! Thanks for the pic Mary, it's a lovely one. After suffering from absolute distraction since I spotted the bathtub pics, it's nice to feel nothing but a quiet simmering looking at this one. Too much is not good even of the best thing, especially if all you can do is look at it. All for the eyes, nothing for the hands. Gotta clean something, gotta clean something....

Sorry, boss. Guess I still have to learn what the topic parameters are. Anyway, my question wasn't very important anyway. "COOTIES" are body lice, biting or biting insects often found in the hair.

OOPS, pardon my incoherent post. Meant "body lice - biting or sucking insects often found in the hair."

(Evelyn) Send on to Tress who said : I didn't like feet. Grrrrr;-) LOL...now, now...let me explain myself!! Waaaaaay back (November 16, 2002 ;-)) I went on about ODB's feet a bit too long and this is what I remember: (Evelyn)...remember we can all express our opinions here and I *really* don't give a hoot about the toesies... (me) No more toe talk...I'll put a sock in it!! ;-) I must have misunderstood! ;-) And since the toes are being celebrated today, ODB and the disappearing tennis ball!: BTW, I thought cooties were brightly colored, plastic bugs (if anyone still remembers than game from their childhood)! ;-)

That's the pic where it looks as if he has bunions. I must have misunderstood! ;-) The plus side is that I tracked down two toesie pics for the newbies.

(Tress) I thought cooties were brightly colored, plastic bugs (if anyone still remembers than game from their childhood)! ;-) Like these? ;-) (Katty) Anyway, my question wasn't very important anyway. So ask it anyway. :-) *sigh* The playground scene. One of my favorite pics and scenes. Thank you! (Evelyn) The plus side is that I tracked down two toesie pics for the newbies. Thanks! And thanks Shoshana for the B/W one.

Oh, Cootie was my fave game! You rolled dice to add legs and tentacles, etc. The pic Murph posted is from "Anna," a Finnish mag. Murph, do you remember Hannele from the old FOF list? She was the original supplier. I think it's circa 1997, and I have a copy around here somewhere. Ah, yes, here it is. There's another very cute closeup of him with that same story. Yummy stuff!

(Ev.That's the pic where it looks as if he has bunions. I love the bunion pick but his bunions look so much better than mine!;-))

Thanks for the cooties explanation ladies, and the cutie on the swing! Another lovely photo.

Anyway, my question wasn't very important anyway. So ask it anyway. :-) I was watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and they showed the Guy getting his eyebrows dyed. Colin in his younger days (circa "A Month in the Country") had somewhat fair hair and nearly colorless eyebrows. Now he's considered "tall, dark and handsome." To the best of my knowledge, hair doesn't naturally darken with age. I remember an interview where Colin talked about the advantages of having darker coloring as a leading actor, and how you need eyebrows. So my silly question is "Does Colin dye his hair and eybrows?"

(Evelyn) That's the pic where it looks as if he has bunions. I don't see bunions, but I see 'knuckle toes'. ODB has those long toes that appear to have knuckles like fingers....he could probably use chopsticks with those (not that I'm complaining....I love the looooong toes). He's very expressive with them.....I remember being just transfixed during Playmaker (I know, imagine!) when he's sitting at the piano and his toes are wigglin'. He doesn't keep them still when their 'unsheathed'..... Expressive, curly, chopstick using toes thanks to casa-feliz: http://colinfirth.casa-feliz.net/images/details.php?image_id=124 (Dorine's Cootie pic) Like these? ;-) Yes! Except mine had rounder heads...and smiles...I probably had the unstylish ones again!

(Katty) So my silly question is "Does Colin dye his hair and eybrows?" The eyebrows do seem to come and go (and lately they've been dark). I don't know if he consistently dyes, but in The Making of P&P book (pages 57-58), they mention dying his hair, eyebrows and lashes to give him that darker look (they said his hair was fairish when he first came in)....

But "cooties" is what little boys and little girls used to say about each other had, meaning they're gross, and should be avoided, don't touch, don't get near. I'm not sure which came first.

(Dorine's Cootie pic) Like these? ;-) (Tress) Yes! Except mine had rounder heads...and smiles...I probably had the unstylish ones again! Didn't Hasbro or Parker Bros make those? I looked briefly during my search, but didn't find them. I remember being just transfixed during Playmaker (I know, imagine!) LOL, at some things I can. ;-) (Katty) Colin in his younger days (circa "A Month in the Country") had somewhat fair hair and nearly colorless eyebrows. "Does Colin dye his hair and eybrows?" Maybe the vets have a more definitive answer complete with article and post references, but possibilities could be...... 1. He used to dye his hair lighter or it was dyed lighter for some roles, as well as dyed darker for others (like P&P, right?). 2. It used to be lighter because he was in the sun enough to lighten it. My hair was *much* lighter when I was younger, because I was in the sun *a lot* growing up in the Sunshine State. 3. He dyes it darker now. 4. It's naturally darker now. My hair has gotten darker over the years. Could be due to less of the aforementioned sun. Who knows. Again, just to clarify, I find these all feasible. I'm not saying this in any kind of definitive manner, just an opinion. Take it for what it's worth...nada. ;-)

�You�ve got cooties!� This statement reflects a tradition among children across America. Young boys and girls at one time in their life think that members of the opposite sex have some type of germ called cooties, because they are different. Anyone who associates with the opposite sex �catches� cooties, and his/her peers shun him/her. "Cootie" is also a kid's game in the U.S. that involves building a model of an imaginary bug. But the cooties referred to in the idea are the infection an elementary school child receives when s/he touches a member of the opposite sex. The case is typically much more severe when the infecting person is reputed to have a romantic affection for or appeal to the infected. And a kiss can result in a nearly fatal dose....But when I was a kid, cooties mostly came from icky girls.

(Karen) But "cooties" is what little boys and little girls used to say about each other had, meaning they're gross, and should be avoided, don't touch, don't get near. I'm not sure which came first. Right, I thought everyone went through that as kids. And even adults who act like kids. ;-)

Thanks for the truly scrumptious photos, ladies. The feet definitely do it for me. A toe-rrific (sorry,couldn't resist) diversion in my day.

Goodness . .toes and cooties and Colin, oh my! Firthology certainly spans the gammut when it comes to discussion!;) Thanks for the pic Mary and Tress . .I love the WAGW one too! Hmm my childhood must have been deficient . .never had the "Cootie" game . .just vaguely remember playing Hungry Hungry Hippos alot;) . .though on the playground, the boys often ran away from us screaming we had cooties . . .

(Karen) But the cooties referred to in the idea are the infection an elementary school child receives when s/he touches a member of the opposite sex. Thanks for the less insect specific definition, that is the one I knew--intangible elements of grossness. As one who expects to have real trouble with Trauma, the less insects the better.

(Kimberly) Firthology certainly spans the gammut when it comes to discussion!;) Plus there's less chance that I'll scold anyone here, one of those "priceless" things that should be added to credit card commercial. ;-)

(Dorine)4. It's naturally darker now. My hair has gotten darker over the years. Could be due to less of the aforementioned sun. Who knows. Me too, Dorine. I was a dishwater blond during my teenage years and now my hair is naturally very dark brown. I'm not sure he dies his since we keep hearing little snippets about a touch of gray at the temples. Thanks for the toesie pics, especially darling Henry. He still does it for me!

(Katty) So my silly question is "Does Colin dye his hair and eybrows?" (Hen)I'm not sure he dyes his since we keep hearing little snippets about a touch of gray at the temples. My two Turkish lira's worth: I tend towards Hen's aforementioned idea. I always assumed natural was a la Paul in FP (not as dark as a Darcy but significantly browner than Judd or Richard). Anyway, it's good to be talking about the really important stuff here, the kind of stuff that keeps me up nights in contemplation. ;-) Hair and toes and butt dimples, oh my!! (Kimberly) Firthology certainly spans the gammut when it comes to discussion!;) Hear hear for spanning the gamut! So, then would this be the topic for asking whether or not ODB has a middle name (besides Dear)? Yet another rumination that keeps me awake and wondering...

Man, sorry I missed all the running of the gamut! Always a blast! Which somehow reminded me of - Moses supposes his toeses are roses, But Moses supposes erroneously; For nobody's toeses are posies of roses, As Moses supposes his toeses to be. I'm a big fan of all his digits.. I think some of the newbies had talked about HS recently...This should give them a pretty good idea... http://www.cinescene.com/kristen/hopefalls.htm

LOL Maria... Anyway, loads of shit happens,... Yeah, I know...but some of it is funny shit. HS wasn't all *that* bad. Only bad if you view it that it was #38 on his CV after 2 Oscar winning films. Still I found it pretty endearing...esp the ending...*sigh* Now Londinium...pass the barf bag.

(Maria) This should give them a pretty good idea... LOL! Yes, that is probably one of the best synopses I've ever read of that movie. Only thing missing is a comment on ear-splitting, hideous soundtrack that's bound to turn you off from Frame 1.

MariaT Thanks for the HS article. Very much appreciate everyone moving us newbies up along the learning curve. With the exception of Heather Graham - (who I've never thought was capable of doing anything much above taking her clothes off) the film has a great cast. Too bad it went so wrong. Must also admit to wincing a bit at the scene in the trailer where ODB opens the door doing something very weird (? supposedly funny) with a towel. Not my idea of a drool moment. And about this Londinium - Was going to take a pass at it, but after having read the enormous amount of commentary, I see I must indulge to learn just how bad ODB can get. Note to self...must find a way to stop logging on every time I walk by. Too many other things that should be getting done. Lack of food and clean laundry will defintiely begin to arouse the family's suspicions ....

(Leslie) And about this Londinium - Was going to take a pass at it, but after having read the enormous amount of commentary, I see I must indulge to learn just how bad ODB can get. If you want to laugh yourself silly (trust me, tears *will* be rolling down your cheeks), you have to read the Spoilers discussion of L-dumberthandumb. There is definitely a correlation between Colin's bad films and the humor on this site. I don't have the exact message number but it would be on the previous Spoilers topic. Initially, a few people got to see it in LA at a screening, then several months later it finally got around (first via a tape, then on cable). The second group of comments are the ones that are a must read.

OK, I had to find it. The first phase of L-dum comments (Oct 2000) starts here: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/126.439 This goes on until message 470. Then we talked about BJD, among other things, and it picks up again in August 2001: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/126.954

Karen - Thanks for the Londinium references. Will definitely give them the time they deserve once I get enough done to minimize aforementioned suspicions as to what's really been going on lately.

Oh, Maria! That was perfect! Too funny!! Some good points: Through it all, Colin Firth tries really hard, and succeeds, at being very tall. He did this brilliantly! ;-) and as we all know: ...Colin Firth is ridiculously attractive... And a couple (ten) other good things about Hope Springs: and (Evelyn) Yeah, I know...but some of it is funny shit. HS wasn't all *that* bad. It's no L'dum, that's for sure!! I didn't think it was *that* bad either...I've seen much, much worse...it's not a glowing spot on ODB's CV (MS and HG were just awful, but ODB had some moments and I thought MD was amusing as the bitchy ex)...

I gotta say . .can't wait till HS comes out on video/DVD so I can see what you girls are talking about . . .;) Londoninium . .will admit, did kind of see it twice (well, really in two parts half here and half there cause I caught it on cable) . .didn't do much for me . . . On another note: Last night I finally saw Valmont in it's entirety (was always catching bits an pieces on cable) Did like it . .part of me wanted to murder the costumer . .thought Colin looked like a bad couch/set of draperies at some moments (had flashbacks of the Sound of Music when Maria took the drapes and made play clothes for the children . . .). .wanted MT to take it down a notch at certain points . .loved Colin, as always . .odd to see FB as an innocent ingenue . . . Silly observation . .he fell yet again into a pond fully clothed . .how many of his films does this man get sopping wet? . .Is it in his contract or something?

wanted MT to take it down a notch at certain points . Wot? You didn't like her screeching "Valmon, Valmon" . (Kimberley)he fell yet again into a pond fully clothed Ran up the stairs too for the umptieth time. Someone had tabbed those stats once.

(Kimberly) . .part of me wanted to murder the costumer . .thought Colin looked like a bad couch/set of draperies at some moments (had flashbacks of the Sound of Music when Maria took the drapes and made play clothes for the children . . .). . LOL at the SOM reference...hate some of the clothes (that floral print thing they put ODB in! Wot is that??? AND, don't like the cravats...no more lace Mrs Bennet!). Did like the brown outfit (can never tell if is suede or not, but it looks to be, makes me just want to rub up against him). But Valmont is one of my all time favorites as it is the film that 'did it for me'...then I went on a bit of a sabbatical...

Went back and read some of the L'dum posts - a riot! It reminded me that the one bit of humor I found in the entire excruciating movie was when MH's character was asleep and snoring and CF piled first a pillow and then the telephone on top of her to muffle the noise. Kimberly's question about CF/wet shirts started me to thinkin'about them and (whoosh - sound of everything going right over my head) it just dawned on me the inside joke of HG being drenched in the pond while ol' Darcy watches in misery. Note to Self: Duh-uh.

(Kimberly) . .part of me wanted to murder the costumer . .thought Colin looked like a bad couch/set of draperies at some moments (had flashbacks of the Sound of Music when Maria took the drapes and made play clothes for the children . . .). . (Tress)Did like the brown outfit (can never tell if is suede or not, but it looks to be, makes me just want to rub up against him) You two are cracking me up! SOM Drape outfits, suede with catnip effect...I am a Valmont lover but those suede pants always remind me of these suedish Culotte-y type pants my my mom insisted I wear even though any self respecting tomboy would never be caught DEAD in them!(Note to self, find childhood pics of self in said brown suede culotte-y things and destroy them!) So whenever I see him standing by the side of the road in them I feel a certain brown suede resentment...

I'm with you on L-dum Kimberly, it didn't do much for me either. There was just something embarrassing about that movie, I think it was the dialogue;) I don't want to think of Colin being gassy. However, I did like the train station scene. As for HS I'm gonna have to work my courage up to watch that when it comes out on DVD. When I read "New Cardiff" I could just about get through it I thought it was boring and dull.(I couldn't believe when I read they were going to make a movie out of it.) Now maybe if the book had nice pictures like the ones Tress posted rather than the sketches I would have had some fun. Oh well.

(Gail) As for HS I'm gonna have to work my courage up to watch that when it comes out on DVD. Hope this hasn't been posted before (I was away for a couple of weeks and tried to be thorough on my catch up...but....) Quick Gail, they may run out! ;-) You can pre-order at Amazon (taken with chocolate and Chardonnay, you should be fine on your first viewing....hitting mute button when MS or HG are onscreen may be advisable too)! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00015YVI6/qid=1073340929//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl74/104-4701331-0786312?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

Re: Costumes in Valmont I guess it really irks me b/c I did some costuming for some period pieces . .and all I wanted to say was WHY???? WHY??? An extremely handsome man . .a laidie's man . .suave, debonair .and all I think is curtains when I see him! Eras of Elegance classified the movie as being in the Baroque period (http://erasofelegance.com/baroque.html). .though some of the costumes looked more Georgian in appearance . . . ( minus the far out powedered faces and hair ala Amadeus):http://erasofelegance.com/fashion4.html#5 (Tress)that floral print thing they put ODB in! Wot is that??? Hmm you mean this???? (Thanks to Firthissimo for the pics) or this? Couch . .couch I say!!!!! The cravats I did not mind so much . . . And the brown outfit . . . I can see why you said suede . .I thought a cordouroy, myself . .would have to take another look at it again. . .I mean when I first read about ODB's blue cordouroy suit in GWAPE ( I was ready to fall over and groan, but when I saw it I have to say . .it was much more to period . .(not to mention coloring being more flattering to him as well) This shade of blue . .I did not like on him: Maria - I sooooooo sorry about those culottes . .my mother talked me into some hideous things too when I was younger . . . still am having nightmares about the many home permanents I had growing up . .picture an 12 year old asian girl with an afro . .it was hideous, let me tell you . . .

(Kimberly) wanted MT to take it down a notch at certain points . (Evelyn)Wot? You didn't like her screeching "Valmon, Valmon" . Her hysterics that she did after telling Valmont to go . .as he was heading into Cecile's room to help her "write" the letter . .those grated on my nerves . . . Was surprised . .b/c did like her very much in Agnes of God . . . Kept hearing Rupert Everett saying :"less is more . . ."

(Kimberly) Hmm you mean this???? Uh...yeah! Dreadful (Dangerous Liasons wins, hands down, for costuming this tale)...but look at that boy's face! OMG...the costumes are terrible, but I can't get enough of those looks (he has that 'haughty chin' thing going in all those pictures...you can just tell he's full of piss and vinegar...and I love him so!) Thanks Kimberly (and Firthissimo)! (Kimberly) The cravats I did not mind so much . . . LOL...Okay...you sure? Look at pic number one...the lace! There isn't a grannie alive who has more! And the second one? What's with the cute pin? You'ld think he would get beaten up on the Baroque playground for that one! ;-)

Erp . .hate to disappoint ya Tress . .that cravat is kind of historically accurate for the Baroque period . . From: Patterns and Pictures from Maurice Leloir's Histoire du Costume, Volume 10, 1678-1725 (It's a page from my fav site: The Costumers Manifesto - http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/leloirX1.htm ) Did love those knee high boots he wore . .;) Perhaps I found my next keep?

I guess I'm more of a Regency girl...the lace doesn't work for me on a man...the looks work (sent me off daydreaming about the Vicomte with those pics, just gotta get him out of those clothes ;-D), just not the big 'fluffy' cravats (had this problem watching Camille too...spent too much time thinking about how big it was (sometimes bigger is not better IMO)). Looked at DL pics, Malkovich got stuck in the lacy ties too, but for some reason the costumes worked for me more in DL (could be the lack of couch material, no flowers on John...and they tended to stick to dark colors for him and kept him out of baby blues)

Yikes! who would ever have thought that "cooties" could make this place jump like it has today. Of course it had to be on a day that I'm trying to catch up and do laundry at the same time;-) Thanks Maria, for finding that barefoot on the stair picture. Those feet are just gorgeous. But now that I look at that one foot from the swing picture in WAGW it reminds me of a balloon that has deflated and just the little nib is sticking out. V. cute;-)

(Maria) I think some of the newbies had talked about HS recently...This should give them a pretty good idea... http://www.cinescene.com/kristen/hopefalls.htm OMG, ROTF!! This is brilliant and dead on!.......IMNSHO ;-) Though I realize everyone has different tastes. Thanks, Maria!

(Kim...) You're too much. Definitely needed the Windex on those reprints from Valmont. As much as I suffer from my unrequited love for ODB, I thought Valmont was the pits. Must say I thought DL was a much higher rent version of the story. Loved watching ODB though, especially when he's helping Cecile write the letter. (OMIGOD - Hose me down!) But I could have done without the rest of the acting. Thought AB was poorly miscast and as for MT - thought her voice and carriage much better suited to a network sit-com or kid's PBS production. Does anyone remember the name of Casey Kasem's wife?? She was on a sitcom waaay back. Am I the only who's reminded of her when I hear MT recite her lines in Valmont? Dorine Great article on HS. Always good to start the day with a laugh. Thanks. Now I'll be certain to use Tress's Amazon link to get cued up for its video release.

Tress' amazon link failed to have the Spring coding. Try using this one to preorder: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00015YVI6/spring-20

Good to have you back Linda. Thanks Maria, for finding that barefoot on the stair picture. I think it came from Murph's archives...Old "Anna "mag pic..don't think it's online anymore

Hmmm...a mentor for a stunt butt? I guess that makes the butt the mentoree? Now that bares some thinking about;-) Thanks, boss!

Karen - Thanks for that lovely pic on the menu page. Guess you knew exactly what I was thinking in my earlier post.

Hey, Boss Lady -- re. your Mentoring picture -- do you suppose that's what George Dubya had in mind with his "No Child Left Behind" campaign?

Karen, you are too good to us.

do you suppose that's what George Dubya had in mind with his "No Child Left Behind" campaign? Too funny....brava Deb.

(Karen) Tress' amazon link failed to have the Spring coding. Sorry! Will try to be better next time! And thank you for the lovely picture of Valmont...I could say loads of things, but I'll just sit here and bask in the glow...of the moon.... ;-)

(Tress)And thank you for the lovely picture of Valmont...I could say loads of things, but I'll just sit here and bask in the glow...of the moon.... ;-) LOL, you are so good at these ....pausing... comments, which allows ones imagination to run wild :-) The HS review was really funny to read too (though I'm one of the minority-group, who am able to watch it without turning off the sound.) Karen, great picture - thanks!!

Karen . .nice nice pic on front page . . .;) Dear me, if I get writers block, do you think Messeur Valmont might come and well, inspire me?;) (leslie)Does anyone remember the name of Casey Kasem's wife?? She was on a sitcom waaay back. Am I the only who's reminded of her when I hear MT recite her lines in Valmont? You mean Jean Kasem . .she played Nick Torelli's 2nd wife on Cheers . .hmmm . .pretty interesting corrrelation . . . I can buy it . . (Tress)bask in the glow...of the moon.... ;-) Wish it was his and not hers . . . Also Tress, will agree wholeheartedly with wardrobe on DL . .definitley well done . .did not pull focus from performances of actors, esp. JM. Did love GC as opposed to AB in Valmont.

(Kimberly)Wish it was his and not hers . . . When all else fails-there's always PM or HOTP.

(Kimberly) Wish it was his and not hers . . . Oh, absolutely.....but I'm pretty mesmerized by the facial expression....and the hand Louisa! (Kimberly) Also Tress, will agree wholeheartedly with wardrobe on DL . .definitley well done . .did not pull focus from performances of actors, esp. JM. Did love GC as opposed to AB in Valmont. That was a big part of it...I spent a lot of Valmont wondering "why? why?" and in DL, I was just taking in how great the costumes looked. Liked GC, but AB was pretty good for me....the problem I had with DL (besides Keanu "Dude" Reeves....as he was also currently in Bill and Ted's) was that everyone was too old. They weren't old, just too old for the parts. I didn't buy Uma as the virginal youngster, and although JM, GC and MP are great actors, I just thought that the way they were acting was to juvenile. One would think that by the time they reached a certain age, all that game playing would have worn out.....just a bit. It is like watching adult actors do Romeo and Juliet. Some of the dialogue and 'emotion' doesn't fit any longer.....with Valmont, everyone (IMO) was of the 'right' age (MT being miscast though....and cannot begin to imagine her as Constance in Amadeus). DL was great too as it had more memorable 'lines'. There were moments that were written so that you could remember them (I don't recall anything similar in Valmont). The bit that GC does about sticking a fork into the back of her hand and the part where the 'old aunt' talks about the difference between how men and women love....those were great moments. Valmont, on the other hand, had ODB....and that smile....and I think that ODB was the better of the two. I just couldn't see any woman falling for JM. Even Tourvel. He was so bitter and spit out his lines (mind you, I love JM....just thought this was too over the top). Even when courting Tourvel, he was cynical and there was nothing 'soft' there for someone to fall in love with.....ODB was the sneaker Vicomte. He was flirty and smiling and yet, he was extremely manipulative. And as Emma would say.....scrummy!

He has been quoted again recently as having had only three(I guess he means serious)girlfriends prior to meeting his wife at 35. -Does anyone know who the third was? Perhaps the one he mentioned who watched TV all day? - Crazy woman!!

From Colin's 10 sexiest moments: (thanks boss) I now want to watch all of these today. Making coffee for - and then suddenly kissing - Sarah (and, for a second, not banging on about football), Eh, he didn't make the coffee-Sarah did. He was banging on to better things;-) "Oh yes they f***ing do". That probably is my favorite, if not in the top three, but I think the doorway scene, nuzzling Bridget's neck and a few sexy grunts was a tad sexier moment. IMO, of course. I don't know, maybe it was just the open top coat and that grey turtleneck. Author obviously didn't see PM's shower scenes

Here's something I just picked up on Hope Springs. This film sounds like it might be too much of a clunker to miss, even if it's just food for the DD's fodder. http://www.oxfordstudent.com/2003-05-15/ox2/1 Film A Hopeless, Romantic... Hope Springs Dir: Mark Herman; Starring: Colin Firth, Minnie Driver, Heather Graham Lauren Curtis You might approach Hope Springs, Mark Herman's new romantic comedy, with reasonably high expectations. The plot is fairly innocuous: moody London artist Colin (Firth) arrives in the backwater American town of Hope in an attempt to forget the shock of his fianc�e Vera's (Driver) announcement of her wedding to another man. He doesn't find it too difficult to forget his past once cute blonde "care giver" Mandy (Graham) turns up in his room. That is, until Vera arrives from England, forcing Colin to choose between them. Given the director's reputation for strong British comedy (Brassed Off, Little Voice), and a God-given opportunity to provide panting female fans with 92 minutes of a very stubbly Mr Darcy, it's hard to see where this film could go wrong. But go wrong it does, in a truly spectacular way. The script is wooden, the jokes too reliant on farce to be funny, and the stereotypes sickening: Mandy works in a nursing home (cringingly named Shining Shores), whose residents are all apple-cheeked old women intent upon filling her heart with feminine wisdom. British and American stereotypes are no less painful: fashion editor Vera, wreathed in cigarette smoke and tottering on killer heels, is the archetypal British bitch, and although Minnie Driver's air of hauteur is probably the best thing about the movie, it's difficult to avoid the impression that her boredom is directed at the film itself. Fresh-faced Mandy, on the other hand, is pure Ms Gap, all autumn leaves and wholesome stripy scarves, and, it has to be said, irritating beyond belief. Colin's choice between the opposing lifestyles which these women represent could be touching and funny. Instead, the film is a crude mish-mash of two completely different genres. Vera and Colin belong to the world of stylish 30-something comedy, whereas Mandy seems to have wandered in from another movie, attempting, with scenes of backseat drunkenness and a high-school rock soundtrack, to do what smart films such as Legally Blonde and Ten Things I Hate About You can do far better. If this merely made the film bizarre and a little clumsy, it wouldn't be any great failing. But the depressing thing is that on screen it looks like a desperate and crass attempt to market the movie to as man y different audiences as possible. This is sad, and you can't help feeling that Mr Darcy deserves better.

Thanks, Karen for CF�s top ten sexy moments. Of course, P&P can�t be topped IMHO. But I�m with you,lindak, �Oh yes they f*** do.� is right up there with the best. Can�t tell you how many times I rewound and watched that moment again, and again, and...oh hell, makes me fizzy just thinking about it. �The Hour of The Pig...Oh, and Colin has lots of sex in it.� And that he does. He doesn�t seem to do those scenes anymore, does he? They must be reserved for newer actors just breaking in. Aside from the brief thrill of those glimpses, though, I�ve got to say I prefer when he does most of the romancing with his eyes. Girl With A Pearl Earring... Methinks the ear piercing topped the head bashing on the door frame, no? Definitely a close call, however. Love Actually �What about the scene where he�s marching through the streets of the village in search of his lover? It finally culminates with a beautifully desperate proposal in the restaurant. That scene nearly sent me off the deep end. I thought the lakeside shenanigans preferred by the article�s author were more comical than romantic. Having just seen FP last night, yeah, that was pretty cool too.

(lesliep)Can�t tell you how many times I rewound and watched that moment again, and again, and...oh hell, makes me fizzy just thinking about it. I never thought of it in terms of fizzy, but now that you mention it, yeah, that's the feeling I get. The first time I watched this was on VHS and I think I rewound it into the early hours of the morning. I just couldn't get enough from the doorway till the "yes, they f***ing do. Actually, I'm feeling a bit fizzy just thinking about it. Also, the first time I saw BJD was during a snowstorm, and ever since then snowy days have always been reserved for Bridget and Mr. Darcy...

(lindak)...snowy days have always been reserved for Bridget and Mr. Darcy... Couldn't have said it better. Today's a snowy day here in New York and all this talk makes it hard to resist breaking out the DVD...sob...guess all this paperwork's gonna' have to sit for at least another day.

My post seemed to have disappeared . .I'll try again . . . (Leslie)Topic 187 of 190 [drool]: Colin Firth - Part 18 Response 792 of 795: lesliep * Thu, Jan 15, 2004 (13:05) * 14 lines Aaaah�the wonders of being snowed in at home for a day. Gives one a lot of time to ponder. Not meaning to shift the topic of the current postings but�I viewed FP last night for the first time. There�s a scene where ODB is talking to himself late one night trying to justify his passion as a football fanatic. It immediately struck me as having an interesting parallel to the life of a drooleur. Thought I might share this idea with all the DD�s. Quoted from CF in FP: �Perhaps it�s not something you can understand unless you belong. But what about this? Three minutes to go and you�re 2-1 up in a semi-final. You look around and you see all those thousands of faces contorted with fear, hope, and worry. Everyone lost. Everything else run out of their heads. Then the whistle blows and everyone goes to despair. But just for those few minutes you�re at the center of the whole world. And the fact that you care so much, that the noise you�ve made has been such a crucial part of it, is what makes it special. Because you�ve been every bit as important as the player and if you hadn�t been there then who�d have been bothered about football really? And the great thing is that it comes around again and again. There�s always another season. If you lose a cup final in May, well there�s the third round to look forward to in January. And what�s wrong with that? It�s actually pretty comforting if you think about it.� Now, translated into �drool-speak� it might sound something like this: "Perhaps it�s not something you can understand unless you belong. But what about this? Oscar nominations are just three weeks away and you�ve got GWAPE being buzzed about by a number of industry insiders. You read the postings every day and sense all those thousands of keyboards atwitter with fear, hope, and worry. Everyone lost. Everything else run out of their heads. But when the list comes out, you know you might all fall into despair. But just for those few weeks you�re at the center of the whole world. And the fact that you care so much, that the noise you�ve made has been such a crucial part of it, is what makes it special. Because you�ve been every bit as important as ODB and if you hadn�t been there then who�d have been bothered about his rise to glory really? And the great thing is that it comes around again and again. There�s always another new release. If GWAPE doesn�t cement his position as a PMT, there�s always TEOR to look forward to next season. And what�s wrong with that? It�s act ally pretty comforting if you think about it." Leslie - Thumbs up for your FP translation into Drooleur-speake;) Just loved it! Did you like the film? Karen thanks for the colin's top ten;) I personally would have added the comb searching scene from GWAPE . .love the passion and force in his eyes as he turns the house upside down. . . and the shagging scene from WOF w/ Bianca ain't bad either;)

(Kimberly) I personally would have added the comb searching scene from GWAPE . .love the passion and force in his eyes as he turns the house upside down. Agreed. Love the abrupt change in the tone of the music in that scene, too.

Karen thanks for the colin's top ten;) The freeezer scene in FF.

(Kimberly) personally would have added the comb searching scene from GWAPE . .love the passion and force in his eyes as he turns the house upside down. Aaah...forgot about that one..very nice as well

(Evelyn) The freeezer scene in FF. Good one! "You have to marry me!" And wot about Richard Herncastle? Surely he deserves a moment? The wet shirt is a great scene, but my P&P moments are the first proposal (all that pent up passion, oozing 'ardently' out)! And the pianoforte (with Col. Fitzwilliam) scene. That flirty banter gets to me.

That flirty banter gets to me. Yes, with the eye rolling! And the "flirty" banter at the Ball, too! :-D

That flirty banter gets to me. ..and the looks that are exchanged between Elizabeth and Darcy in the drawing room at Pemberly. You know, when the Bingley sisters are gossiping about Wickham in front of Georgiana. And finally, "the one look" when Darcy rests back and gazes lovingly at Elizabeth after she has come to Georgiana's aid.

How about the looks Lizzie and Darcy give one another when he and Bingley at last come calling at Longbourne at the end. Such unspoken longing for one another.

(Evelyn)And wot about Richard Herncastle? Surely he deserves a moment? Mmmm... yummy little Richard. In the tux at the Scottish ball. Or flirting with Nancy at the gardens. This is a great topic! Thanks Karen and all! But Evelyn, aren't you going to nominate Armand? ;-)

Where is that Colin's top 10 sexiest moments bit posted? I can't find it. Could somebody please point me in the right direction? I saw a few "new" pics of Colin at casa -feliz that are actually a few years old, but I haven't seen them before. Maybe some of you haven't either...

(Evelyn)..How about the looks Lizzie and Darcy give one another when he and Bingley at last come calling at Longbourne at the end? O yeah, another great one which happened to slip my mind...there are just so many it's hard to list them all...P&P really is the CF Super Bowl IMHO.

(Ildiko)Where is that Colin's top 10 sexiest moments bit posted? http://www.ivillage.co.uk/newspol/celeb/cfeat/articles/0,,528719_613615,00.html

Thanks Bonnie, than was great! Too bad I haven't seen half the movies listed. I like everyone's extra sexiest moments posted, there are plenty to choose from, aren't there? I also loved him smouldering at Libby at Daphne's ball in WAGW, his moving through the crowd at the book launch party in BJD (there is a James Bondish quality about his looks there), and the yearning look Darcy gives Lizzy at Pemberley after he hands her in the carriage and it moves away. Ah, the list is endless...

Dh caught me on this one. I had printed off the top ten and left it on the printer. He came home and found it. I got ribbed all night for it. How can you just pick one or two from P&P? Two I'd like to add are from WAGW and SLOW. When he comes up on the boat at the end of WAGW and he and Libby finally get back together and dance. The other is in SLOW when he asks Nimi to say his name, finally admitting the passion between them. SLOW isn't that well made, but I really liked the culture and values it brought up. WAGW is pure fluff, but those black pants. I really must add to my dvd collection. This list just put dvd's in a higher priority. Please keep adding. I'm enjoying reading them all! Michelle

Oh, I hope I'm not to late to add to the list. Agree with many of your choices. Plus, if may add the scene in P&P when Darcy writes the letter to Lizzie defending himself, at the end he just leans back in the chair, with the neck of his shirt wide open, and takes a ragged deep breath.

I'll add one from SLOW-my favorite part of the move. When Matthew leaves Nimi's after spending the night and his walk has that JFL to it. It always has that JFL, but at that moment he was, or at least...never mind. I'm staying out of trouble today. Ditto on the P&P moments. The looks, the glances, the banter, and the repression, to me, are much sexier than the wet shirt scene. I love that moment when they meet because you know it's going to happen and you are anticipating it, but I find it more romantic than sexy. Have to put in FP, the kiss over the coffee cups, the grey undies...

(Shoshana)But Evelyn, aren't you going to nominate Armand? ;-) LOL. The whole movie is dear to my heart...poor vulnerable Armand. When he brings Marguerite the camellias*sigh* (You can tell, I go for men that for sure "would be there in the morning";-)

(Gail)Plus, if may add the scene in P&P when Darcy writes the letter to Lizzie defending himself, at the end he just leans back in the chair, with the neck of his shirt wide open, and takes a ragged deep breath. Oh yes . .I'm seconding the vote for that one and the banter btwn Lizzie and Darcy during the dance at the Netherfield Ball . . (linda)Have to put in FP, the kiss over the coffee cups, the grey undies... What? Linda . . .the red Arsenal boxers don't do it for ya?:) I do love it when Sara says after the coffee mug kiss. ."Not on the carpet, I can't afford it . ." I do like it in SLOW when he rushes to the phone when Nimi calls to say that Sammy is missing and then rushes to her house to help . . .would love to have ODB rush to my aid in a time of crisis let me tell you . . .think that's another reason why I like the comb searching scene in GWAPE

Has anyone got the GWAPE soundtrack yet? No sign of it here so far.

Ildi- I've ordered it from Amazon.co.uk. I think with the Spring bit it ends up being at http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00013YQME/thespring-21. I haven't seen it on any US sites. There are a couple of used copies there as well plus some Lion's Gate promotional "For Your Consideration" items floating around on eBay. I trust this more, plus it supports Spring and Drool. ;-)

Thank you for the info Shoshana! I'll go take a look. I find it strange that the movie opened here already and the soundtrack is still not available in the stores.

About that "leash" around ODB's neck: I seem to recall reading that Colin seemed to start wearing it at around the filming of Trauma (if I remember it wrong sorry). I just watched a bit from WAGW and at the end when Henry tells Daphne he loves her the thing is visible around his neck. Anybody else saw it? Or this is old stuff?

(Ildi)About that "leash" around ODB's neck There was a discussion . .and blown up pics on that . .cord w/ beads . . you can see it in the Mushimoko party pics from GWAPE . .I think the discussion was on Odds and Ends?

I'm finally back online and with my own computer. First order of action: put Mr Darcy back as my wallpaper. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the picture I used to have: screen capture of the lake scene, probably around "I've just arrived myself". It was a big size file, excellent for wallpapering. There are a few at casa-feliz, but not that particular shot. So if anybody has it in their files or knows the website where it was, I'd be eternally grateful (for now Mark at the birthday dinner has to do the job -- not too shabby either though :) ).

Odile, you mean this one? It's over at firthissimo. For some reason, Casa Feliz is down or has moved or something...don't know what's going on.

From what I can tell, the host site is experiencing problems.

Thank you so much Ada. The very one!

(Darlin' Ada)Odile, you mean this one? Awww Ada and Odile, the very one and I love it! My favorite scene. It's the one that did me in initially. I just love the way he struggles to make eye contact. What a lovely way to end a Sunday:-)

(Kimberly) There was a discussion . .and blown up pics on that . .cord w/ beads . . you can see it in the Mushimoko party pics from GWAPE . .I think the discussion was on Odds and Ends? Yes, I remember that. What I meant was that I think there was a discussion earlier about when the thing was seen on him first, and I remembered Trauma mentioned. But WAGW was filmed before that, and he wore it already. Ada, thank you for that gorgeous Darcy pic! That was one of my fave parts of P&P, love the lost puppy look on his face. That would've made even Mrs. Bennet fall in love with that awful, proud man. :-)

Response 1087 of 1088: Louise Sun, Feb 1, 2004 (18:28) (bethan)Agreed! And for some reason "Colin" is definitely a nerdy name in the UK. An explanation I have been meaning to ask of our British DD's - the name Colin's apparent nerdishness there has been alluded to on a number of occasions and from various sources. I certainly don't think it is considered such here. Everyone I know who has named a child Colin uses the British pronounciation (not like Colin Powell). From what I've read, I was beginning to think Colin in Britain was tantamount to Elmer here.

Some clarification from someone (english) who would have been Colin if had been born a boy! It is a bit nerdy in England. It is somehow quintessentially lower middle class, and you know how dire that is. ;-) However as Janet says it is much smarter in Scotland for some reason. All the smart Colins I know are Scots. You just cannot compare names in US and UK. Take Kevin. In the UK, to describe someone as a "Kevin" would be a term of abuse but I know several American who have named their sons, Kevin, without any sign of barrassment.:-)

Where did the em go in embarrassment?

(Allison)You just cannot compare names in US and UK. Take Kevin. In the UK, to describe someone as a "Kevin" would be a term of abuse but I know several American who have named their sons, Kevin, without any sign of barrassment.:-) The things you learn on this board! (am thinking of all the Kevins I know who are merrily prancing about unaware of their trans-oceanic humiliation);-D

In the UK, to describe someone as a "Kevin" would be a term of abuse We are getting into Odds & Ends category here but before I am pilloried by UK droolers, I should point out that the name Kevin has recently become a name to be derided. Harry Enfield, a TV comedian in the UK, named his awful teenager, Kevin. There are plenty of Kevins leading blameless lives in the UK. I suspect what happens to many names is that they become too popular, One or two trendy people find an unusual name for their child and it then catches on, becomes too popular and then is dropped. Probably what happened to Colin. I only know Scottish Colins under the age of 40.

I guess this should really be in Odds and Ends, but anyway: (Allison)In the UK, to describe someone as a "Kevin" would be a term of abuse Again, not in Scotland. And there are many other examples of acceptable/unacceptable names. - Being crazy enough to call your son Clive, Nigel or the dreadful Cecil, would be considered child abuse by many north of the border!!

As a regular worshipper at the church of St Colin.I feel I must have my part in this conversation best Lady Catherine style. In the past I ran ante-natal and post-natal goups and part of one of those sessions was about names.The choice is an important one,an inappropriate or mis-applied name can cause much misery in a childs life. I can't say I've come across many new babies being called Colin, however I have known several new Dads with that name. Upon reflection /observation I find these Dads stick in my mind not only because of their name but they have been an excellent support to their partners and very much hands on fathers with good bonding with their children. These Dads are mostly in their late 20's early 30's. I notice that Colin is a diminutive of Nicholas, (Greek origin) meaning Victory of the people. You sure wouldn't call a goldfish Victory of the people. So all things considered Amnesty,Survival ,Fair Trade I think his parents got it right. St Nicholas brings to mind other associations stockings etc but best not to dwell there! Although in his case I suppose a rose by any other name......

(Gina)St Nicholas brings to mind other associations stockings etc but best not to dwell there! Why not? Dwelling and drooling go together very nicely, here;-)Besides, mention St. Nicholas and I think of ODB as Santa baby from the Today show.

Thought I would post this silliness over here: (Kimberly) Hmmm . .who could we get to sponsor a Trauma screening???? . . . A tequila distributor perhaps? . Vodka or Goldschlager (yum!)...these are all shooters (in case anyone wants to get frisky this day after Valentine's Day) :-) Silver Spider Ingredients 1/2 oz Vodka 1/2 oz Light Rum 1/2 oz Triple Sec 1/2 oz White Creme de Menthe White Spider Ingredients �1/2 oz Vodka �1/2 oz Peppermint Schnapps Spider's Web Ingredients About 4 oz Goldschlager 1 drop Strawberry juice Top with Whipped cream Have nice warm fuzzy feeling envisioning ODB drinking last shooter and licking cream off lips (or, if he's had too many as in martini pics....leaving cream on. They would make nice birthday greetings for O&E) ;-)

Since I'm not getting the BAFTAs;-( I'll play over here and not muddle up O&E. Just was watching VH1 and they have that show "Supersecret Movie Rules" and they are doing tear jerkers....they just got done making fun of TEP. Pretty amusing. One woman (and I should have paid attention to everyone's names but didn't) said that she was angry at Ralph. Kirstin had a good husband and she had no sympathy for them when R and K starting making out in the first three minutes of the film. Then another guy was talking about how Colin used his plane to try to kill Ralph....then said "whatever happened to the old fashioned type of killing...you know, with poison or something. Colin ruined a perfectly good plane and those things aren't cheap" Was about a five minute bit on TEP, if you can catch it (I'm sure it will be repeated ad nauseam).

thanks to karen, hail karen ! i have at last been able to watch this *gem* of a movie, yes, you know what i am talking about, PM. i don't wish to start a totally pointless discussion (the old ones stocked @ firth.com pretty much cover everything, all puns intented), but only wanted to know if any of you droolers had seen de palma's "body double" and share my weird feeling that this PM thingie is somewhat xeroxed on that movie (itself a rather clever rendition of "vertigo") : well, apart from the fact PM is total crap, i sort of saw a connexion in the double act, plus the friend-who's-the-manipulator, etc ?

(Sophie)well, apart from the fact PM is total crap, Oh, I'd say there were a few redeeming features...;-)

(lindak) Oh, I'd say there were a few redeeming features...;-) now what on earth do you mean ???? (hehehehe) no, but really, it wasn't even enough to cut through the intense boredom and what-a-heap-of-dung! feeling... (and there are better things on the market in that department frankly)

(Sophie) and there are better things on the market in that department frankly LOL...maybe...but are those 'projects' attached to ODB? ;-) That is what makes this one special. The script is crap, Jennifer Rubin can't act, but there are 'special parts' to this film that make it viewable.

(Sophie)(and there are better things on the market in that department frankly) Yeah, better scripts, surely. But I don't watch PM for the script;-)

(Tress) ...but there are 'special parts' to this film that make it viewable I second the *motion*.

(Tress) ...but there are 'special parts' to this film that make it viewable.. LOL! I much agree. This is my favorite *bad* film and *he plays me like a piano;-))*

(Bee) This is my favorite *bad* film and *he plays me like a piano;-))* ROTFL....Don't let ODB hear that! He has refused to be in the same room as that line! Now please apply five second delay on the following: The real question in this movie is...do you want ODB straight up or on the rocks? ;-D

(Tress)The real question in this movie is...do you want ODB straight up or on the rocks? ;- Variety is the name of the game...I'll have one of each;-)

Now please apply five second delay on the following: ROTFLMAO! Thanks fo the warning but I'll have what Linda's having;-))

Regarding PM. There's a very interesting screen capture on another fansite, that is definitely not on my US NTSC tape. - Makes me wonder if there are 2 versions, and that the US version has been censored, ie cropped at waist level (spoil sports!)

If you're referring to when he walks out of the shower, as I recall, you see it all from behind. Definitely not from the waist up.

I haven't seen the movie, but saw two snapshots somewhere on the net of Colin coming out of the shower in PM. He can be seen from the front. The two pics are identical, except that one shows him only waist up, the other gives us a glimpse at what's below the waist and stops barely short of what would be a reeeeally interesting sight. ;-) I wonder why they cut that out of the American version, it doesn't make much sense. Unless it has to do with the rating.

(Ildi)I wonder why they cut that out of the American version, it doesn't make much sense. Unless it has to do with the rating. I don't think it is. I think it's probably the cropped nature of the one picture and the freezed frame aspect of the other. If one plays with the *pause* function one can get the *almost there* shot. Not that I would waste my time in such a silly way;-))

(Ildi) I wonder why they cut that out of the American version, it doesn't make much sense. As I said above, it is not cut out of the American version.

(Ildi) The two pics are identical, except that one shows him only waist up, the other gives us a glimpse at what's below the waist and stops barely short of what would be a reeeeally interesting sight. ;-) Ildi....I have the American version and if you slo-mo and hit the pause at just the right spot, you get that image (about a nano-second of it)! I dont' think there are two versions (??? I could be completely wrong).....just someone was able to capture that second of 'interest' you mentioned (those blasted glass bricks are in the way....and then when there is a second that could be of real interest, ODB's hand gets in the way). Unlike Bee, I freely admit to wearing out my VCR remote on this activity.....and keep wondering why such great films keep getting converted to DVD and this one has never come up on anyone's list! ;-)

Unlike Bee, I freely admit to wearing out my VCR remote on this activity.....and keep wondering why such great films keep getting converted to DVD and this one has never come up on anyone's list! ;-) Well I have to say that don't I or what will Little Bee think;-O-))

(Bee) Well I have to say that don't I or what will Little Bee think;-O-)) LOL....I keep forgetting that you must keep up appearances! My apologies....Little Bee must surely know you've only seen Playmaker once and never hit pause! ;-)

hmmm...and Little Bee still believes in the tooth fairy, right? ;-)

(Tress) ...and then when there is a second that could be of real interest, ODB's hand gets in the way... LOL Tress, but you like looking at ODB's hands, right? I'd think you'd find seeing his hands more thrilling than anything else... ;-)))) Would anyone believe it, I have never seen Colin in a sex/nude/shower scene yet. Clearly I'm missing something important, but so far his face/voice was enough to send me running for a cold shower. I'm taking this veeery slowly, one step at a time...

There are detailed instructions from Bethan on an old topic, which involve counting glassblocks and slo-moing, for seeing what has been termed "Nessie." ;-)

(Karen) ...which involve counting glassblocks and slo-moing, for seeing what has been termed "Nessie." ;-) Nessie is an elusive creature...but trying to site him (in this case, Nessie is definitely a boy) is loads of fun...despite the glass bricks, hand, blurry lower screen, damnable cropping...I can't even mention the other stuff that gets in the way of viewing....him.... Ildi, highly recommend that you view this work of art! Jennifer Rubin is so subtle and Colin makes a fine point ;-) Ebay has several copies, including this one that has **Nude** and **Erotic** in the topic line. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3390706670&category=1473 The description is pretty impressive as well: In a town where nothing is real and no one is who they seem, Jamie Harris is a struggling actress who will risk it all. Down on her luck and on her last dollar, she pawns a valuable pearl necklace to pay for a mysterious acting coach who guarantees her success. Ross Talbert promises results...as long as his students go along with his bizarre training methods. Passion, seduction and betrayal...they're all just tools of the trade...and Talbert is an expert. As the lessons progress, he slowly begins to control Jamie's mind and body. Overcome with lust, their relationship explodes when Jamie suddenly realizes that her teacher has been giving a performance of his own.

(Tress)Nessie is an elusive creature...but trying to site him (in this case, Nessie is definitely a boy) is loads of fun...despite the glass bricks, hand, blurry lower screen, damnable cropping...I can't even mention the other stuff that gets in the way of viewing....him.... I hate those poxy bricks. But just knowing Nessie is lurking just below that cropping is quite exhilarating. (Ildi)Would anyone believe it, I have never seen Colin in a sex/nude/shower scene yet. Oh my poor, poor friend, you must relieve your suffering.

(Linda) Oh my poor, poor friend, you must relieve your suffering. ROTF! Relieve it? I have the feeling that after seeing it I would suffer even more. ;-) Thanks for the link Tress! So far that's the best price I've seen for it. These oldies seem to be selling for a lot more than they're worth..., maybe because they are rare.

(Beedee)...one can get the *almost there* shot. Not that I would waste my time in such a silly way;-)) (Tress) Unlike Bee, I freely admit to wearing out my VCR remote on this activity Careful, you'll go blind. (Tress..again) Ildi, highly recommend that you view this work of art! Jennifer Rubin is so subtle and Colin makes a fine point ;-) Careful, your nose will grow...and commensurate to size of fib, to extraordinary lengths. ;-) (Linda) I hate those poxy bricks. You all are killing me. You're going to make me get the darn thing out, you know? Least *I'll* be blameless.

(Ildi) So far that's the best price I've seen for it. There is one that is going for less! $3.00. But it has six days to go....still, there were about four tapes going for the other price (Gah! Listen to me! I've become a PM pusher! Please, in no way, take this to mean that this is a great film. It is one of his weaker projects, but it has some very pausible moments...if ya get my meaning....). ROTF! Relieve it? I have the feeling that after seeing it I would suffer even more. ;-) There is a high level of frustration involved. For some reason, even after reading past Drooler accounts of this film, I thought my tape would somehow be different and that I would see things others had not....but....Nessie is sneaky...some see him, some don't. But that is the nature of the beast...;-)

(Tress)I thought my tape would somehow be different and that I would see things others had not....but....Nessie is sneaky...some see him, some don't. But that is the nature of the beast...;-) ROTFLMAO! Thanks for the question Ildi! This has been such fun.

(Barb) Careful, you'll go blind. LOL....And now you know why I was sitting so close to the screen! ;-)

(Tress)....Nessie is sneaky...some see him, some don't. But that is the nature of the beast...;-) Sounds like Nessie has a magical, mystical quality to him. Seeing him could depend on ones state of mind, no? Personally, I think it depends on size-of your screen.

(Tress)Nessie is an elusive creature.. Oh my goodness ladies. I've been off for a few days trying to sort out this weekend's SNL activities in NYC and here you've all been discussing this wonderful stuff. Not to change the topic but... I believe the elusive Nessie makes another call close to port in The Advocate. Found myself freeze framing quite a bit when he rolled over after his first romp with the tavern wench. Can't say I was able to document an actual sighting but it was a lot of fun trying.

(lesliep) but... I believe the elusive Nessie makes another call close to port in The Advocate. Now, I've studied this film as well and never saw evidence of Nessie at that moment (this does not mean that 'he' isn't there and this will give me reason to revisit for further reflection). I have, on the other hand, made careful study of the scene were ODB is entering the baths. And (please apply five second delay) am most concerned about the lack of hangage. Seems that something would be visible from behind, if you are following me here...ODB is a bit bowlegged and it allows for some...views...but not the one I was hoping to see. I am being optimistic though and am of the opinion that although nude from behind, he may have been wearing one of those 'wondersocks' or whatever they are called...that keep things from 'popping out' at an inopportune time. I'll now take my pervy thoughts elsewhere. SNL news has me all jittery, honestly, I'm not like this all the time! ;-D

Looks like ODB's presence in NY has brought on all sorts of pervy thoughts around here. LOL! I really must dig my PM tape out from the back of the cabinet and go Nessie hunting myself;-) I'll just use the mute button when JR is talking.

(Tress)...am most concerned about the lack of hangage LOL, Tress. You are in rare form tonight. Thanks for the last minute chuckle before I pack it in for the eve. Must rest up in anticipation of 5am line-up for SNL tickets Satuday morning...

(Tress)Now, I've studied this film as well and never saw evidence of Nessie at that moment (this does not mean that 'he' isn't there and this will give me reason to revisit for further reflection). Alright Tress, where's that 5 second delay warning?

(Tress) And (please apply five second delay) am most concerned about the lack of hangage. Tress, have no concerns, the ...er... "hangage" is there, I just saw it a few days ago. I didn't see this movie either, but spotted a nice snapshot at another site, and I could see what I wanted, although just a tiny bit of it. But it's there, you can see it if the pic's colour is light enough. You should've seen the grin on my face. It's still there... :-) So why don't you take your DVD out, stop it at the right moment and lighten the picture a bit. And then try to wipe the grin off your face if you can. There. You are not the only perv around here. ;-)

FYI, Nessie isn't just a name or euphemism for an anatomical part. In PM, Nessie appears to make a surfacing move, as she would in a loch. ;-)

my, my, look what the cat dragged in ! and i thouhgt these details had already been covered a thousand times. (myself, a while ago) and there are better things on the market in that department frankly (Tress) LOL...maybe...but are those 'projects' attached to ODB? ;-) yep. i was thinking THOTP. ahhh, period movies. LOL tress, your sock story leaves me with the image of the red hot chilly peppers rendition of the abbey road l.p. cover !

(Karen) FYI, Nessie isn't just a name or euphemism for an anatomical part. In PM, Nessie appears to make a surfacing move, as she would in a loch. ;-) Oooooohhhhhh.....now...I'm walking this very fine line....must keep focused....must....not....speak....no....nope....aughghghghg! My daily struggle. ;-) (Sophie) LOL tress, your sock story leaves me with the image of the red hot chilly peppers rendition of the abbey road l.p. cover ! LOL...I saw those guys do that before they became 'the big thing'. They knew a friend of mine in college and I let them all into a movie for free (they were poor and young). Showed Flea my tattoo (this was a loooooooong time ago). I tried desperately to find a picture of the "wondersocks" that are used. I'm most curious to see what they look like....and most curious in THOTP if ODB used one. I'm just concerned about logistics is all....

(Karen)In PM, Nessie appears to make a surfacing move, as she would in a loch. ;-) You mean quiet and stealth-like? (Tress)...ODB is a bit bowlegged and it allows for some...views...but not the one I was hoping to see. LMAO, but the bow is further down, no? His upper thighs look quite straight. But don't worry about the hangage, Tress. It's there-even though covered, as evidenced in grey underwear from FP and the P&P breeches. I know it's more fun to look for the uncovered, but nessie and company do pop up in other places;-) Just a quick tid bit. Today a guy was over doing some work and saw DH's shiny new red toy in garage. He asked if it was mid-life crisis-I just laughed and said yes. He was from NY, and of course I had to ask...believe me I've left no stone unturned in search of SNL tickets. He asked who the host was going to be, I said, "Colin Firth" and got that blank stare. I said, "BJD"? and got another blank stare. Then I said "P&P"? and the light went on. (which shocked me as the guy is 30) He says, "I just bought the DVD for my wife last week. She loves Mr. Darcy". I said well that's Colin Firth. He just shook his head and said he would tell her to watch SNL on Saturday...and, no, he doesn't know anyone who can get tickets;-(( Ah, another firthette;-)

(Linda) LMAO, but the bow is further down, no? His upper thighs look quite straight. In that particular scene, it looks to be full blown bowlegs....or maybe it is the way he is walking down the stairs. Anyway, you can see 'sky' all the way up...quite lovely actually...but I'm at work and must quit thinking of these things. Must think spreadsheets, crunching numbers, angsty engineers...not nekky bowlegged English boys...my face gets all flushed just at the thought! ;-)

Yipee! I just got my GWAPE soundtrack and am bursting to tell how much I'm enjoying it. It's absolutely beautiful. I was so eager to hear it I practically threw my kids out the door in my haste to send them to school. Then I put the CD in, cranked up the volume on the stereo, sat down, closed my eyes, tuned the world around me out, and sat there with goosebumps covering my entire body until the very last note faded. I think all housework will go undone this morning, because I have to hear it again. The laundry will remain unwashed, dinner uncooked, and the boys can have bread and butter for lunch. :-) This is Mom's Morning... Sigh!

This is Mom's Morning YOU GO, GIRL!!! Every Mom needs such a morning every now and again. I haven't been able to see the movie yet, so I am quite envious. Glad to know the soundtrack alone can bring such joy.

Sad to see a GWAPE advert in London listings mag Time Out, which only features SJ. First one I've seen :-((

I think this is the right place for these. They are strolls down the old Firth list memory lane - Some creative offerings by yours truly, and Mari (with her permission (these pages are unlinked, so are just for here): http://www.murphsplace.com/firth/memories.html http://www.murphsplace.com/firth/memories2.html We had some silly fun in those long ago days....If there is any interest, I've got more!

Murph! . .LOL! these are priceless!!! . .I esp. love the dialogue btwn Will and Colin!

"I love Hackney," the actor said, "But matters have definitely gotten out of hand. God knows where Livy is. I can only hope the dastards who stole my car and her with it have the decency to return it...l mean HER!" A ransom note has been received The police will only say that Miss Giuggioli is safe. The car was not mentioned. ROTFL...that was funny! Will. Will!!!!--bring me my fags before you come in the library here, OK? Your what, Dad? It's as if you Americans have a different word for everything! ;-) Thanks Murph...that was fun!

Yeah, I heard him tell Mom that it was the best thing since Sominex. Was that one of your movies, too, Dad? Uh . . .no, Will, I don't recall making that one. LOL, what a riot. Enjoyed it, thanks, Murph and Mari.

Don't blame me, boss. I've tried to tell them if they want to play with my lumps and bumps--it's done, here. ... if they want to discuss current news on the lumps and bumps of my career it's 191;-)Sheesh!

OK Boss . .since I've had my knuckles wrapped twice already!! Silly Kimberly! Just finished listening to Comeback (with many thanks Shoshana for lending it to me). His reading of the novel was wonderful. Question: Has there been a film version of this? Ah, and what do you think of Colin as Peter Darwin?

Ooops! My bad! All the bump talk got started by me....sorry all! I feel just awful.... Ohhh...lookie here...I'm having a relapse...(like the square toed shoes...those are spiffy)

I've tried to tell them if they want to play with my lumps and bumps--it's done, here. ... if they want to discuss current news on the lumps and bumps of my career it's 191;-) Exactly! I don't know why this isn't crystal clear. V. simple. General drooling takes place here.

(Karen)Comments about pics on the main Drool page really don't belong here, as discussion thread in and of themselves. OK, am putting end to it. Take fun and games over to Firthology. ;-) Karen, is there some relationship between the pose in that sketch and his People's 50 Most Beautiful People photo? That was 2001. Just a guess. BTW, while trying to research everything that happened to Colin in '01, I managed to spend far too much time hanging around the Article and Interview Archive. What a treasure!!! I love this one! Great hair! Thanks, thanks, thanks Boss!

Shosh - I think you may have it . . the pose is the same . . Is the pic an amalgam of items, news etc? He did get the GQ Actor of the Year award in 2001 . .right? very supermodelish type of pose;) Another idea . .what year did Valmont come out on DVD?

Wow, I found it...it's Colin as James Bond! Topic 150 of 191 [drool]: Colin Firth (Part 10) Response 471 of 1999: Karen (KarenR) * Wed, Jul 25, 2001 (23:47) * 8 lines OK, as Cathey posted yesterday, she has tracked down the CF as Bond fantasy article and has scanned it in. I must say this cartoon artist (generous nomenclature) must not have a clue as to what CF looks like. I much preferred the last fantasy cartoon of CF as Hamlet. Here it is, with thanks to Cathey:

* clap clap clap* If you go up to message 396 you can read the article from the Sydney Sun Herald. The same guy did a much better one of Colin as Hamlet, which is probably up there somewhere, but I can't view those directories right now.

(Ada)Wow, I found it...it's Colin as James Bond! Ada, were you a Bond girl in another life? Great investigative work. I vote to make you an honorary member of Her Majesty's Secret Service;-)

Colin as James Bond? Until I saw Century City, I was afraid Iaon would be as hard working and successful as Pierce Brosnan in Remington Steele and take it away from ODB, but no worries there now. I wish I had the time and talent to put together a side by side comparison of the things Colin has done that Bond has also done. Of course, he looks suave and elegant in a tux and has a great British accent but he's also done other Bond things in his movies. Dove into a body of water, been taken hostage by the bad guys, dressed elegantly in a casino, observed exotic dances, driven all sorts of things: - small sports cars, - motorcycles, - bus (couldn't believe it when I saw Sean Connery doing same). He's had two interviews with "M" and even walked through same doors. He's punched out everyone from Mike Binder to Hugh Grant to "Alistair". He's gotten numerous beautiful women. Can anyone else think of others?

Colin as James Bond? Sometimes I find myself entertaining the idea, but somehow it doesn't take. I just can't see it. Mind you, this is from someone who didn't 'see' ODB in SNL either, and was he ever fabulous! Part of me is dying to see him in the Bond role, I get goosebumps just thinking about how incredible that could be, after all Bond is the coolest stuff ever. Great role, spectacular effects, the cars, the women, the chase scenes, eye popping from the beginning to end. And Colin has the look, the voice, and pretty much everything else, but is he 'cool' enough? I admit, there are many films of his I haven't seen yet, but in the ones I did see I never 'met' a cool Colin. Gorgeous yes. Lovely yes. I saw the Bond face and the Bond walk. But never got the 'cool' feel. The look of Mark Darcy often reminds me of Bond, but he is a bloody wimp. And then there is Colin's age. I feel that he is getting a bit long in the tooth for Bond. By the time the next (after the next) one is made ODB will need a cane. ;-) A nice dream, but dunno if it would work. I'm ever the skeptic.

The look of Mark Darcy often reminds me of Bond, but he is a bloody wimp. / A wimp? Mark Darcy A WIMP? Fighting for the rights of others and beating a cad to a pulp isn't a wimp in my book! Point taken, however, that MD character was not the requisite bad-boy needed for Bond. Still, I have enough confidence in CF's acting chops that he could pull Bond off with aplomb - the first Bond since SC that I would lay out good money to see. (I liked PB much more in TCA and the new romcom with JM looks like fun) And I also agree that at 44, unfortunately, CF's too long in the tooth to sign for a series of Bond movies:(

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d**m now?

Re: Colin's ability to play JB... I have no doubt that ODB has the capacilty to be a great JB. I came to this site a few months ago as mainly a P&P and BJD fanatic. Since that time I've been working diligently to get my hands on almost every film he's done. (There are still a few obscure ones to go). What has impressed me the most is his ability to transform himself completely into each and every role he plays regardless of the character type, and the roles have been extremely diverse. Putting the *cool* into the suave, handsome, sophisticated guy we've seen so much of would be a 'cinch' for Colin IMHO. And as far as being long in the tooth...I don't agree. Think he (as well as Sean Connery) only get better with age. Too bad the same doesn't apply for most of us women!!

(lesliep)Putting the *cool* into the suave, handsome, sophisticated guy we've seen so much of would be a 'cinch' for Colin IMHO. And as far as being long in the tooth...I don't agree. I should have clarified that I don't think he's too long in the tooth (quite the opposite) - but no doubt the producers would:(

Caribou! (*applauds*) now we should send this list to the producers of the JB films! My fave from your list: He's had two interviews with "M" and even walked through same doors. I think Colin would make a great JB . .the task is just to convince the producers of that . . .if they did enough research and looked at his past work they could see how versatile an actor he is. as to Colin's age . .I don't see a problem . .(PB is about 50 now) I personally see Bond as a rugged older man - in his forties or so (not a young pretty boy), with all the suave, charisma and sexuality with a bit of an edge behind him as well. I think Colin could pull it v. v. well. I wonder though,. . as much as he wants a "shoot em up" film . .would he want to be part of such a large franchise as the Jame Bond series?

Re: Colin being long in the tooth for Bond.... Pierce Brosnan will be 50 next month. Roger Moore was 50 when The Spy Who Loved Me came out and did 3 more after that ending with A View To a Kill (1985), at which time he was around 58. Timothy Dalton was 41 when his first one came out and 43 with the last one. Sean Connery was the youngest at 32 for the first one and 41 at the last one (Diamonds Are Forever)....53 if you include Never Say Never Again. Now how the producers wish to go with the age of the character is another thing. They may choose to go much younger. I have said on several occasions I'd like to see him do a Thomas Crown-type character...very suave, confident, mischievous, somewhat smug...and I think he'd be fantastic at that. The closest he's come to that is Matthew Field in SLOW and a hint of it as Daniel in DQ. Do I necessarily want to see him with all the gadgets,etc? Not sure, but I doubt it as it's all become too overblown. As we discussed recently regarding Bond, if they could get back to the basics of the films being plot rather than SFX driven, I would like to see him in something like that, perhaps.

(Ildiko) but he is a bloody wimp. I thought the character Mark Darcy was a wimp, too, in his personal life. In BJD(the book and the movie)he allowed Natasha to lead him around as if he had a ring through his nose, and in the EOR (the book) he fell in too easily with Rebecca, for whatever reason.

(Dorine) Pierce Brosnan will be 50 next month. Roger Moore was 50 when The Spy Who Loved Me came out and did 3 more after that... That's true, but they both had a string of Bond movies out by then. IMO Colin is the right age for Bond about right now. But with PB still doing one more in the future..., I just think it's too late for ODB to sign up. (Kimberly) I think Colin would make a great JB . . . .if they did enough research and looked at his past work they could see how versatile an actor he is. I don't question Colin's acting chops and versatility, but I think acting ability is 'only' part of what's needed to create a successful character. A very important one I grant you, but an actor also has to have the "feel" of the character. I'm sure most of us have seen great actors in roles that didn't really suit them. I just can't see Colin as Bond, even though I'd like to. Which doesn't say that he wouldn't make a great one, it's just me and my good old skepticism. I would LOVE to be proven wrong on this one. (Dorine) I'd like to see him do a Thomas Crown-type character... Me too. That would convince me. (Luise) Mark Darcy A WIMP? Fighting for the rights of others and beating a cad to a pulp isn't a wimp in my book! He could be the prime minister of England and I'd still think him the biggest wimp I've ever seen. What did Shazzer say? "There were all these hints and such, but has he ever stuck his f***ing tongue down your f***ing throat? (Very loosely quoted, sorry! LOL!) No, he didn't. He just kept hinting and then went back to his girlfriend. How strange was that. If he wanted Bridget (not that I understood why he wanted her in the first place)I expected him to break up with Natasha first (after all, every woman deserves that much consideration), and then pursue her. Wooing a woman while having a steady girlfriend... not exactly gentlemanly behaviour I think. But this way if Bridget says no he still has Natasha to warm his bed... (Bonnie) In BJD...he allowed Natasha to lead him around as if he had a ring through his nose, and in the EOR (the book) he fell in too easily with Rebecca, for whatever reason. Yupp. Wimp. A very handsome one, but still a wimp.

(Dorine)I have said on several occasions I'd like to see him do a Thomas Crown-type character...very suave, confident, mischievous, somewhat smug...and I think he'd be fantastic at that And I have said on several occasions...ditto! British undercover spy--without the gadgets and special effects. Plot twists and turns, surprise ending, steamy affair, maybe even a double agent. (Ildi)Yupp. Wimp. A very handsome one, but still a wimp. IMO I just thought MD was someone who had his heart shattered and was deathly afraid of loving, again--especially falling in love with someone connected with DC. Bridget was perfect for him--she had the ability to bring him out from behind the wall he built. Neither one was ready, but once they cleared the air, everything worked out. (Ildi)But this way if Bridget says no he still has Natasha to warm his bed...,/. Never thought for a minute that MD was ever really fell for Natasha or Rebecca.

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As I haven't read either book, my opinion of his relative wimpdom was formed entirely from the movie:)

(Dorine) Pierce Brosnan will be 50 next month. Roger Moore was 50 when The Spy Who Loved Me came out and did 3 more after that... (Ildi) That's true, but they both had a string of Bond movies out by then. True, but at their start, they weren't far off of Colin's age, should he start now or soon....PB was 42 when his first one came out and RM was 46! Holy cow! Still can't believe he was doing those so long. (Linda) IMO I just thought MD was someone who had his heart shattered and was deathly afraid of loving, again--especially falling in love with someone connected with DC I do agree with you here, but I also agree with the wimp assessment as well. Maybe he was wimpy to begin with and that's why his wife took up with DC. Being wimpy doesn't mean he isn't one of the sweetest guys there ever was, but it can be boring, frustrating, and annoying. Been there, done that.

(LindaK) Bridget was perfect for him--she had the ability to bring him out from behind the wall he built. I never got that impression. I thought the only ability Bridget had was to make a total ass of herself. That was the main reason I didn't like the movie. I kept waiting till the very end for her to do something that made at least a little sense, and thank goodness, her apology and "almost confession" at the Darcys' ruby wedding prevented me from gagging. Yeah, I've got a mean streak where this movie is concerned. Watching the falling down drunk idiot and the handsome wimpy barrister getting together was an experience like no other. Never in my life I've spent so much time cringing while watching a movie. (LindaK) Never thought for a minute that MD was ever really fell for Natasha or Rebecca. Neither did I, but Natasha was his girlfriend, and even though she seemed a girlfriend of convenience I didn't like his "two timing". Luckily(?)Natasha was made an unsympathetic character, so who cares if Mark dumped her when he didn't need her anymore? All that counts is the happy ending. I had less problems with the book. Bridget was as stupid as in the movie, but Mark seemed a bit more likeable and honorable character. Mind you, they are the most mismatched couple I've ever seen, both in the movie and the book. What he saw in her will remain a mystery to me forever.

(Ildiko) I thought the only ability Bridget had was to make a total ass of herself. LOL! I kept waiting till the very end for her to do something that made at least a little sense, and thank goodness, her apology and "almost confession" at the Darcys' ruby wedding prevented me from gagging. LOL again! I hadn't read the books yet when I saw it and I have to admit, I wasn't overly thrilled with it at first. I hadn't had my Colin "epiphany" either, but I do recall being rather disappointed with it. After I read the book though, I have to say I like it better, and appreciatively so after my "epiphany." ;-) Once I started watching it repeatedly, I began to see and hear little things I missed initially that made me like it more, too. I think they actually dumbed her down in the movie. The only recurring cringeworthy thing I find about it now, is hearing that line Bridget says at the smug marrieds dinner party, about having scales. Ugh. Oh, and that stupid line Julian says to the girl doing his nails...calls her a nasty name. That was a very poor line, too. Richard Curtis could've done a boatload better on both of those, I'm sure.

(Ildi)Mind you, they are the most mismatched couple I've ever seen, both in the movie and the book. What he saw in her will remain a mystery to me forever. I always thought it was because it's a Cinderella story.

(ildi)Neither did I, but Natasha was his girlfriend I always took Natasha to be that work collegue trying to stealthly push her way into the girlfriend position . .not unlike Rebecca. I thought people made the assumptions, since he brought her to functions and all that she was "the girlfriend" . .and OK, Mark, in his wimpiness or whatever you want to call it, didn't have the gumption to correct people otherwise.

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(Ildi)Never in my life I've spent so much time cringing while watching a movie. [BJD] Worse than the "I've- got- a -brother"-ending of TIOBE? Or "Say -my-name" in SLOW? (Aishling and I went under the seat at that one at the Ritzy.)

And don't let's start on L'dumb........ or the camels in WAGW. No contender IMO ;-)

See, the camels in WAGW didn't bother me, but the BLP dance made me absolutely cringe the first time I saw it. I've since grown to enjoy the scene, but, oh, it made me want to crawl under the couch from shame. A acquaintance of mine, a Drooleur-in-training, upon seeing WAGW wrote to me: PS I saw Girl with a Pearl Earring and What a Girl Wants. I can't say that I enjoyed watching Colin dance in leather pants. I felt bad for him, he looked so silly. Otherwise, I still have much affection for that dark gaze of his. ;)

(Dorine) I have said on several occasions I'd like to see him do a Thomas Crown-type character...very suave, confident, mischievous, somewhat smug...and I think he'd be fantastic at that (Linda) And I have said on several occasions...ditto! British undercover spy--without the gadgets and special effects. Plot twists and turns, surprise ending, steamy affair, maybe even a double agent. I'm one of the ones who can't really see him as Bond. I can see him all sorts of other ways , just not as 007. Like Ildi said earlier, I dunno if ODB's is 'cool' enough. He has a bit of a dorky side (that would be the side I adore, so don't get me wrong....love ODB, but think he has this irrisistible nerdy bit in him that keeps me from seeing him as the martini man). Would love to see him in undercover spy/Thomas Crown type role! Something he can do and 'create' from scratch. Bond is such a franchise and there are just so many 'ways' an actor can do him...that if you deviate, it's deadly (think Tim D....horrid IMO). I think Colin would make a great double agent/spy type....just not Bond. (Dorine) I think they actually dumbed her down in the movie. I read the book first, and I agree. I was suprised the first time I saw the film because they did dumb her down a bit....but it didn't bother me too much as I had my "Ding Dong" moment and was in a bit of a fog! (Kimberly) I always took Natasha to be that work collegue trying to stealthly push her way into the girlfriend position . .not unlike Rebecca. I saw her as Caroline Bingley....an opportunist that would do almost anything to land the rich guy....and I think Mark Darcy felt that and went with it. His heart had been broken before, why get all messed up with love? It wasn't safe...but then he met Bridget. I like Mark (he's a bit of a wuss, but he has had a broken heart....and remember, he thought Bridget was seeing his rival, so why couldn't he date too?). Love Bridget. She may be a mess, but I can relate on several levels! (Ildi) Neither did I, but Natasha was his girlfriend, and even though she seemed a girlfriend of convenience I didn't like his "two timing". I never saw it as 'two timing'. MD thought Bridget was in a relationship (and she was)....when he found out she was available, he made his confession and she didn't have time to respond. After their interview and her confession of "a bit of a crush" he 'popped on by' to see wot was up and things were looking good until Mr. Cleaver showed up. After the fight, he thought she was not interested again.....then the next time they saw one another was at the ruby wedding anniversary (and he was under the assumption that he and Bridget were over, and Natasha was pushing for a wedding and....well, having his heart broken twice, why not?). Mark flirted with Bridget, but he never stuck his f**king tongue down her f**king throat, so I didn't see it as two timing. I didn't see love on either side of the Mark/Natasha relationship, just a sort of 'coupling of convenience' (not right, but I always figured they both understood that....maybe if they had made Natasha a nicer character I would have had more trouble with he issue, but she was so manipulative and demanding, that it was a 'good riddance' thing at the end for me).

(Shoshana) the BLP dance made me absolutely cringe the first time I saw it. I've since grown to enjoy the scene... Absolutely agree. I hated the BLP dance the first time I saw it - somehow it seemed demeaning to me. I admit it has since grown on me but I do still wince a bit when I see it. Don't know why I find it distasteful to see him acting so silly - I generally love the moments of levity I've seen in so many other roles he's played.

(Shoshana) the BLP dance made me absolutely cringe the first time I saw it. I've since grown to enjoy the scene... Same here. It bothers me a great deal though that when I see Hugh doing that kind of stuff I laugh myself silly and enjoy it very much, but when Colin does it I cringe. I don't know if it is because Hugh is more suited for this stuff and can pull it off better, or simply ODB is simply too "close" to me. I had the same 'problem' with another fave actor of mine, so I tend to believe it's the latter. (Evelyn) Worse than the "I've- got- a -brother"-ending of TIOBE? Or "Say -my-name" in SLOW? I haven't seen SLOW yet, but the TIOBE one did make me cringe. However, there were only a few lines in that one that made me want to hide, while I spent the entriety of BJD 'peeking from under the sofa'. ;-)

(Tress)Love Bridget. She may be a mess, but I can relate on several levels! Just about everyone I've shared BJD moments with-relate. (Ildi)I didn't like his "two timing". Two timing would have to mean that MD was in a relationship with Bridget and was two-timing her with Natasha. I don't recall that happening. The only true blood two timer in the film was Daniel Cleaver.

(Lindak) Two timing would have to mean that MD was in a relationship with Bridget and was two-timing her with Natasha. The other way around. MD was in a relationship with Natasha and was wooing Bridget at the same time. I realize that Natasha was a girlfriend of convenience, but he took her to not just official functions but family ones as well, and in my eyes that makes her Mark's girlfriend. And she sure knew how to 'handle' him. LOL! (Tress) ...then the next time they saw one another was at the ruby wedding anniversary (and he was under the assumption that he and Bridget were over, and Natasha was pushing for a wedding and.... Bridget apologized and told Mark of her feelings at the wedding, which should've cleared up all the misunderstandings. It was clear that she was ready to receive him, and yet he went to NY with Natasha saying nothing to Bridget. The guy just couldn't make up his mind. Wimp? Wuss? Take your pick. ;-)

(Ildi) MD was in a relationship with Natasha and was wooing Bridget at the same time. I agree that Natasha was Mark's girlfriend, but wooing to me is 'taking out to dinner and a movie'. It never went there with Bridget. He whisked some eggs and wished her a happy birthday....I was hoping that after the friends left he'd be there for a serious talk, but that wasn't to be...I call it flirting. Different. I don't think they ever even shook hands.....;-) (Ildi) Bridget apologized and told Mark of her feelings at the wedding, which should've cleared up all the misunderstandings. Shoulda....but....when it is matters of the heart sometimes things get a bit muddled. He couldn't dump Natasha there and then (and I can't imagine anyone who would walk away from that foyer and go immediately to the other person and say 'you are soooo outta here').....and then he had to sort out his own feelings....again.....and then had to deal with the fact that he was to be in NYC working (BTW, I did not see Natasha with him at that point....she was to join him, but it was never said when....for all the audience knows, he could have broken that off pre NYC trip). The man had some thinking to do (as in "Is this really worth it?" and "whatthehellamIdoingwithmylife??").

(Tress)I agree that Natasha was Mark's girlfriend I never got the impression that they were an "item". He introduced her at the launch party as a . I always felt that she was a convenient companion and she was, to him, nothing more than a Caroline Bingley. MD never looked very comfortable with the "wedding" toast at the Ruby Wedding Party, either. Bridget was having her ups and downs with DC and chasing her own demons. MD wasn't dating her--though I think he would have if DC hadn't crashed the birthday party. So, I really, IMO, can't see anything that suggested he two timed anyone. (Tress)The man had some thinking to do Yes, and when push came to shove...he gave up the job offer in NY and followed his heart. Natasha, at that point, was history.

(Linda) I never got the impression that they were an "item" Oh, I did. Not at the book launch as she says "Give me time" about Mark to whatshername, but by the smug married dinner, they were definitely an item. And you don't have your parents make an inference like they did with the in-law comment, at a very public event, without having some basis for it. Now that doesn't necessarily imply that they have great emotional attachment to one another just because they are dating. Happens all the time. For her, it was an advantageous match, for him, probably just convenience. He didn't have to invest great emotion that he may not have been prepared to give, because I don't think that was a requirement for her. As far as two-timing, he showed up at Bridget's house on a pretense, certainly because he'd developed an interest in her, but it was just that once, and was innocuous, really. Two-timing generally implies having a second (at least) concurrent ongoing relationship, IMO. If things had not ended as they did at her birthday party, there's no telling what would've happened from there, but since Mark seems he'd take the high ground and not cheat as his wife did, I bet he'd break it off with Natasha before dating Bridget even if he didn't go to NY.

(Dorine)I bet he'd break it off with Natasha before dating Bridget even if he didn't go to NY. I thought I read something around here some time ago about how there was a scene that was later cut that showed Mark at the NY airport telling Natasha he never felt anything for her, but that he loved Bridget and had to go back. Am I imagining things? Was it in SM's audio commentary on the DVD? Now I'm all confused. Anyway, it seems to me that there wasn't any two-timing following Dorine's definition. All with Natasha (if there was anything of note) was over before anything happened with Bridget. Granted, Mark loved or at least liked Bridget earlier. Is that's emotional two-timing? That would have require an emotional relationship. Maybe.

The New York airport scene was in the script, but a cut out of the movie. http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/bjdcut.html He just says that he left something behind in London.

(Shoshana) Granted, Mark loved or at least liked Bridget earlier. Is that's emotional two-timing? That would have require an emotional relationship. Maybe. It's hard to say that Mark and Bridget had any type of relationship, emotional or otherwise until the end. I wouldn't say they were much more than acquaintances who keep ending up at the same social functions. That didn't really change 'til Mark came back from NY. I suppose it could be said that a flicker of one started at the bday party, then the Ruby wedding when they each put their own feelers out to begin to test the waters.

Had to move this over here from CF Topic so as not to get "time out" ;-) (Dorine) I was pretty pleased with the bit with the "maid" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). ;-P Wait....they kissed in that scene?? Hadn't noticed...was distracted by other things...;-D Not to worry, I have brothers... LOL...I actually did notice the kissing in that particular scene and it seemed she was more enthusiastic than he was (again, just IMO). And not that I don't love watching him 'go to it'! I do! Just think he holds back a bit. I always attributed it to his "gentlemanly like" behavior. That he didn't want to cross some line with the actresses he was working with....(though, I'd think they would all be willing partners, with such beauty before them)! ;-) Did note, and still wonder about, the scratch marks on his back while he's gettin' the rub down at the bath. Real life enthusiasm? Some bit of the film that was there, then cut? Inquiring minds want to know! ;-)

(Tress)Wait....they kissed in that scene?? Hadn't noticed...was distracted by other things LOL, I could care less wheter he did any kissing at all in that wink, wink, nod, nod scene;-) (Linda) I never got the impression that they were an "item" (Dorine)Oh, I did "Item" isn't the word I should have used. I guess I never got the impression that MD had any designs on Natasha. But I do agree with Kim's assessment... (Kim)I always took Natasha to be that work collegue trying to stealthly push her way into the girlfriend position . .not unlike Rebecca. I thought people made the assumptions, since he brought her to functions and all that she was "the girlfriend" . .and OK, Mark, in his wimpiness or whatever you want to call it, didn't have the gumption to correct people otherwise I never saw any hint of affection between MD and Natasha. Maybe it was cut? They did spend the weekend at the same hotel where DC and Bridget stayed, and even then it was cold, cold, cold. Not saying they weren't dating, but talk about boring... if he did two time on Natasha...could you blame him;-)

(Linda) They did spend the weekend at the same hotel where DC and Bridget stayed, and even then it was cold, cold, cold. LOL..I think this line sums up the Natasha/Mark relationship: I brought Natasha. Get a bit of work done. Thought I might make it a not entirely wasted weekend. LOL...spending time on holiday, at a hotel, with Natasha was getting 'a bit of work done'. Hope he didn't nod off in the middle of it all! ;-)

Seems to me that Ms Natasha wasn't particularly warm and fuzzy herself. Her attitude in the boating scene was pretty indicative, to me, of her personality as she disdainfully pointed out the "childish" behavior of Daniel and Bridget having lots of fun in their boats. Poor Mark looked like he wanted to play, too, sort of like a little boy with his nose pressed up against the glass, watching all his mates playing outside.

(Eithne) sort of like a little boy with his nose pressed up against the glass, watching all his mates playing outside. Yes.....! He did seem to want to play (though I think with Bridget only as he was probably still a bit sore about Daniel and his wife!)....There is a great scene at the hotel that was cut (okay, not staggeringly great, but interesting). It happens after the boats (and thank you Karen for the link earlier today as it reminded me of all those great 'missing' pieces!): Daniel comes out, opening the pack of cigarettes, lighting up, inhaling deep...A few wedding guests walk by him. He flicks open his mobile phone. Mark Darcy is coming up the steps. � Mark Call you can�t make from the room? Daniel O, just go fuck yourself, Darcy. Mark Such a command of the language�the literary world is very lucky to have you at its helm. Silence. These two really don�t like each other. Mark walks away. Think this scene kind of balances out the arrival scene where Daniel seems to have the upper hand.

(Tress) Just think he holds back a bit. I always attributed it to his "gentlemanly like" behavior. That he didn't want to cross some line with the actresses he was working with... Yes, that's what I feel too, and I'm liking that a lot. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. (Tress) But..but...but...they're actors, they know what comes with the job before they start... They sure do. They are supposed to act. In a fight scene actors just pretend to hit each other, don't they? In a sex scene they have pretend sex (thank goodness), so in a kissing scene why should they be expected to do the real thing? We are talking about swapping saliva here with a "stranger". Yuck! I couldn't do it. Wouldn't. No way. IMO if Colin needs kissing lessons he should learn how to make those fake kisses look more real. (Mari) If it was his job? Not a problem. Goes with the territory. It is not his job. His job is to fake it - as realistically as possible. (Evelyn) Just close your eyes, Ildi;-) LOL! Sound advice, but wouldn't help me. It would still bug the hell out of me. (Tress)I did a Google search and ODB kisses like that IRL too! LOL again!!! Tress, you cannot possibly judge that from a pic taken at his wedding where he is kissing (or gets kissed) in front of the assembled guests. I did not french kiss at my wedding, it would've been scandalous. The mere thought of it cracks me up. ROTF! Ladies, I very much enjoyed reading your takes in the kissing debate. I suspect it will come up again at some point, unless Leslie does manage to coach Colin on the proper fake kissing technic (sp?), and ODB will end up smooching McPhooey in a manner that will leave you all breathless. *snigger*

Leslie and Ildi, you should check out one of Colin's birthday parties from several years ago where Moon gave him kissing lessons for his birthday. It's hysterical!

(Ildiko)unless Leslie does manage to coach Colin on the proper fake kissing technic Oh wow - from your lips to God's ears, Ildiko. I tremble at just the thought. What a lovely picture to keep in my head as I go through my day today! (Dorine) Leslie and Ildi, you should check out one of Colin's birthday parties from several years ago where Moon gave him kissing lessons for his birthday. It's hysterical! Sounds like a riot. Anyone have the link or general idea where it might be?

(Ildi) IMO if Colin needs kissing lessons he should learn how to make those fake kisses look more real. That's what it is all the criticsm is about. His kisses need to look more passionate. Period. If it involves opening his mouth, moving a bit and other techniques, then that's all. No one said he had to stick his tongue down anyone's throat. (Leslie) Anyone have the link or general idea where it might be? Colin's birthday is held on Topic 110: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/110/new The kissing lessons were from a few years ago. I must warn you that you'd better have a strong and fast computer because the topic is image-intensive and several years' worth of parties could blow it up.

It's nice to see the Tongue Brigade gaining in numbers;-) For several years there were only 4 of us.

Here is where Moon's Kissing Lessons start... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/110.477 Also, the next year's party, 2002, is hysterical, as well. Check out Karen's Katie Couric interview at post 722 where the Tongue Brigade is brought up. I was ROTF! http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/110.722 Forgot about this part... Colin: We've concluded that the larger rally may be due to my birthday. Katie: (gasp) How would they know that fact, such a personal detail? (slides PDA away) Colin: (shaking head) Honestly, I have no idea and have asked several fans that question myself, when it has arisen in conversation. Katie: And their answer... Colin: They typically have none. *hee hee* ;-) Some of the pics are gone now, unfortunately. Bad links. I thought Lisa's hilarious charwoman story was during one of his birthday's but it seems not. Guess it was just in the CF topic around that time. Took me 3 times to get that read through all the way. Had so many tears in my eyes from laughing I couldn't see.

Great job finding those bits, Dorine, but it looks like I should've changed this one line: Colin: Yes, these women mass on the sidewalk every night at about ten o'clock with their candles. to cobbles. ;-)

(Ildi) I did not french kiss at my wedding, it would've been scandalous. Nor did I...but ODB seems tense when just kissing (not just French kissing). I suspected that possibly the cameras had something to do with it at his wedding.... I guess why I love the doorway scene of BJD so much (and outdoors a few minutes earlier). He seems to be the pursuer (the neck nibble leaves me all squiggy) and he seems relaxed...yet, he never gets to connect (GAH!) cuz Bridget is more interested in getting into some tinier knickers (Sillllllly Bridget)! (Karen) No one said he had to stick his tongue down anyone's throat. Exactly! As long as he can make it look real. I've seen great screen kisses done w/o a hint of tongue (and cataloged the kisses as those of the 'French' persuasion). It's all about it looking real. ODB doesn't do that when he gets all stiff and backs up (and like I've said before, I love watching him, but I just wish he'd loosen up a bit before he 'goes in'...and I still think he did a great job at the end of Trauma....).

You learn the different techniques when you're an actor, right Kimberly? I've seen the open mouth, no tongue, or the slightly open going for one lip while the other person goes for the other. Hey!....this opens us up for a good research project? Analyze, compare and contrast ODB's kisses over the course of his career. Take into account type of role, scene, personal situation at the time.... What a hardship to do this type of study. ;-) I realize too, that some people have done this already as they've been around longer. But it never hurts to do more trials. ;-)

(Dorine) What a hardship to do this type of study. ;-) Oh! Horrible homework assignment! Will we be graded on a curve?? ;-D Here's a great one ;-)

...and another (Dorine)What a hardship to do this type of study. ;) Someone has to do it;-)

Here's the charwoman story... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/163.629 Part of what made it so freakin funny to me, is we were having a discussion about him playing a mute character. I was convinced he'd get nom'd for awards, as others have done in the past, for playing a mute. ;-D Response 632 of 1999: Dorine (gomezdo ) * Mon, Aug 26, 2002 (21:02) * 3 lines (Jeanie) How about "Children of a Lesser God".. deaf and mute, right? Ahem!! Yet *another* Oscar winner for the deaf/mute (excuse me, the speech and hearing impaired)! You may have laughed at me and my suggestion, but I'm seeing a pattern here! Or at least several instances. The parody also was a reference to the jokes of how *he* chooses his scripts. ;-) At 556, a couple of articles including the The Sunday Times article and our subsequent comments were good, too. The one where he said he'd never turned head in a room....Pfft! ;-) (CF)But I've never walked into a room and turned heads in my life.' (Caribou) He has clearly not been walking into the right rooms! When he said about "turning around the ocean liner," isn't that where the birthday party theme that year came from? And the reference to script decision making.... Loved Kate's post on that.... (CF) 'I don't have an adviser,' smiles Firth, the family man. 'I talk to my wife.' (Kate) Take good care of those Playmaker tapes, ladies. You ain't gonna see nothin' like that again. :-( And Caribou's... (CF)'I don't have an adviser,' smiles Firth, the family man. 'I talk to my wife.' (Caribou) Funny how we all picked up on that one right away. Can't believe how close the [charwoman] parody was. Also the references that came up recently about where he'd like to school Luca . And until I read down a bit further, I'd forgotten about this bit from Hola Lola.... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/163.629 (She doesn't italicize, puts article quotes in parentheses). This is a lot fun going back! Haven't done it in a while.

This wasn't me. ;-) Did this help?

Forgot to mark my part... (Jeanie) How about "Children of a Lesser God".. deaf and mute, right? (Dorine) Ahem!! Yet *another* Oscar winner for the deaf/mute (excuse me, the speech and hearing impaired)! You may have laughed at me and my suggestion, but I'm seeing a pattern here! Or at least several instances.

Colin explains one method of screen/stage kissing in Out of the Blue. Isn't it called a fish kiss? Something about sucking the lower lip, etc. Hard for him to do that with his lips so tightly clenched together.

Closing Linda's tag. *tsk tsk* ;-)

Sorry, Hola was at 608. Forgot to change when I copy and pasted... And until I read down a bit further, I'd forgotten about this bit from Hola Lola.... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/163.608 (She doesn't italicize, puts article quotes in parentheses).

"Katie: (pressing hand to ear) I've been told it says, "Long live kissing with the tongue." ROTF Thanks for finding those, Dorine. Viva Silvio and his glorious (ahem)*jewels* !!!

Yoohooo, Dorine, maybe you should do that cataloguing of Drool, as you once suggested a long time ago. You're good at finding all the best bits.

This is rather apropos in light of the kissing debate of the last couple of days.....from the Katie bday interview.... Colin: Yes, I had been interested in Graham Greene's novels with their complex characters but was never offered the film. Katie: This is purely hypothetical. That film had several very sexy scenes between Ralph Fiennes and Julianne Moore. If it had been offered to you, would you have done them? (pulls earpiece out of ear) Colin: (major effort not to stammer) As an actor, one does what is appropriate for the character within the context of the plot. I did offer, but never heard back! Sounds like my job search now. :-/

(Karen)Closing Linda's tag. *tsk tsk* ;-) It's all this study of kissing that has me hot and bothered;-) (Karen)Isn't it called a fish kiss? Not sure, but isn't that the method used by DC on his first date with Bridget? Thanks for the link, Dorine. Wasn't that quote about the ocean liner the reason for his birthday theme that year?

(Linda) Not sure, but isn't that the method used by DC on his first date with Bridget? LOL...Yes! The one that Sharon said they had to shoot twice cuz Renee and Hugh had a line of spit between them....so fishy and wet! ;-)

(Me) When he said about "turning around the ocean liner," isn't that where the birthday party theme that year came from? (Linda) Wasn't that quote about the ocean liner the reason for his birthday theme that year? Think there's an echo in here, LOL.

(Dorine)You learn the different techniques when you're an actor, right Kimberly? I've seen the open mouth, no tongue, or the slightly open going for one lip while the other person goes for the other. well . .I must confess I have not taken an indepth class on acting intimacy:) . .but I am guessing you mean by which method one could approach acting: stanislavski, meisner . .all sorts of sensory work you could do . .etc . .yes there are many schools used to approach acting situations . . Colin had that wonderful article from Backstage West, describing his training, actingwise that I found very very facinating. We do know he is a research based actor . .from what I've read as to his preperation techniques for new roles . .but he also seems to be rather open to learning new ways to approaching acting. He's not astrict method actor of any sorts. . . It's rather funny this whole kissing debate has been brought up . .my manager just mentioned it to me yesterday . .that was the first thing she said ( after she saw those pics, Tress!) Perhaps it is just that he hasn't had great chemistry/comfortability with the costars he has had to kiss?. I know for myself as an actor . .I've got to completely trust the other person before I throw myself wholeheartedly into a part, esp. . .when it deals with something that will open up rather difficult emotions . .I try hard to attempt to "live" the moment . .create it new . .not just fake a pre-concieved idea as to how the scene should go . . . Perhaps the pressure to create that romantic/sensual moment just can't be achieved. . .it's not easy to create the same performance exactly as in rehearsal or as done even minutes before . . .and the medium of film with everything being shot out of sequence . .well, sometimes you don't have time to warm up and get to know your scene partner;) I'm afraid I don't have the Backstage West article here . .it's at home . . .I'll try to post the link later . .unless someone finds the original post up on the CF topic. Great reading.

You can always from such articles at firth.com's article archive: http://www.firth.com/articles/03backstagewest.html

(Dorine)Think there's an echo in here, LOL. LOL, yes, yes, ye---sss. I told you all this kissing stuff has me in a tizzy. (Evelyn)Viva Silvio and his glorious (ahem)*jewels* !!! Oh gawd, too funny. What great memories. Reminded me of those glorious left/right discussions, too;-)

Call me shallow but I wouldn't mind if Colin did something like this... Producer Neal Moritz has signed on at Paramount for a remake of To Catch a Thief. Todd Komarnicki will write the script for the project. The remake will relocate to Miami and will follow a reformed jewel thief who scrambles to clear his reputation while being framed for a series of elaborate robberies from the super-rich.

(Linda) Reminded me of those glorious left/right discussions, too;-) LOL Knew that would come up but I think that one got shelved because there was discussion of field study (polling the male populace in general regarding preferences/practices) rather than focusing on one study subject. The kiss thing has potential. Shame the weather is getting nice ('cept I would think Karen has a week or three before she starts her gardening!) and time is limited. ;-) BTW, the index thing is brilliant...if anyone is interested in dividing and conquering, I'd love to help. (The wit and wisdom of the early torch bearers is too priceless!)

(Ada)LOL Knew that would come up What? the discussion or the "jewels";-)

Oh sorry, Ada LOL, I meant Barb. Had to clarify, or my "double" SNL keeps might be in trouble;-)

(Ada) Call me shallow but I wouldn't mind if Colin did something like this...Producer Neal Moritz has signed on at Paramount for a remake of To Catch a Thief. You're shallow. ;-) No, no, no, no. Have you forgotten the recent attempt to remake Charade? Far better to leave the classic, especially Cary Grant classics, alone. Colin needs create his own characters and become known for those.

Yes, I'd *love* to see him in something like that, but not that...and the character in To Catch A Thief is very much the Thomas Crown-type person I'd love to see him play. I saw that blurb about To Catch A Thief earlier and couldn't believe they'd make such a great movie over again. Ok, that's not true, I could believe it, but thought it wasn't a great thing to do. I saw Charade last week...can't believe how badly they missed the mark with the remake. The original was fantastic. Hard to beat Cary Grant.

(Karen)Have you forgotten the recent attempt to remake Charade? Far better to leave the classic, especially Cary Grant classics, alone. Brava. . .I thought the same thing. Charade happens to be my favs . .not just for Cary Grant but Audrey Hepburn as well;)

(Me)...but I wouldn't mind if Colin did something like this. Ahem;-)

I'm sorry, one more link...I was reading over the parties and forgot how I LMAO over this one with the LEGO P&P characters... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/110.522

(Dorine) Leslie and Ildi, you should check out one of Colin's birthday parties from several years ago where Moon gave him kissing lessons for his birthday. It's hysterical! Brngs up such sweet memories. :-) I only wish he had learned. I was so disapointed in that kiss at the end of BJD. What is wrong with him? I read somewhere that men that don't know how to dance are not sensual. Maybe te same is true with actors that can't kiss realistically on screen. If anyone says they liked that kiss in BJD well then I'm sorry to say, you have never been properly kissed. ;-) Actors are supposed to fake it well. I'm still waiting.

(Ildi) I did not french kiss at my wedding, it would've been scandalous. More than scandalous, vulgar. But if Mr. Darcy and I are alone in a carriage and we are off to our honeymoon... by all means, bring it on.

(Moon) If anyone says they liked that kiss in BJD well then I'm sorry to say, you have never been properly kissed. ;-) Oooohhhh...I liked it! I don't think it was the type of kiss to inspire the line "nice boys don't kiss like that" but it still melts my buttah. I guess it is the 'feel' of the scene and not the actual kiss. And that bit when Bridget puts her hand to Mark's face **big sigh** It is an "aaaaahhhhhh" moment for me! BTW, I'm off to tell the hubby that I haven't been properly kissed! ;-D

Men and dancing...interesting premise. YOu could say the same thing about people and food. I've found that people who truly enjoy food, not just eating but preparing, arranging, and presenting beautiful food are quite sensual. After all, food touches all our senses, touch, taste, smell, sight and even hearing. I wonder what ODB's attitudes are towards food. Just a thought.

(Tress) BTW, I'm off to tell the hubby that I haven't been properly kissed! ;-D LOL. You go girl! (Moon) But if Mr. Darcy and I are alone in a carriage and we are off to our honeymoon... by all means, bring it on. Yeah, baby! (Karen) Far better to leave the classic, especially Cary Grant classics, alone. Agreed. For the record, I wasn't crazy about the Thomas Crown Affair remake. Much prefer the McQueen/Dunaway original. (Karen) Colin needs create his own characters and become known for those. Hear, hear. (Ada) LOL Knew that would come up LOL. I could interpret that statement in such an interesting way ;-p (Barb) BTW, the index thing is brilliant...if anyone is interested in dividing and conquering, I'd love to help. (The wit and wisdom of the early torch bearers is too priceless!) Ditto. (Tress) The one that Sharon said they had to shoot twice cuz Renee and Hugh had a line of spit between them....so fishy and wet! ;-) Eeeeeeeeeeeeuuu! Yuck! *shiver* (Ildi) he should learn how to make those fake kisses look more real. (Moon) Actors are supposed to fake it well. That's right. Make me believe these characters (not actors) are kissing with the proper emotion be it passion, need, anger, disinterest... If I want to see an actor's tongue, I'd watch Sean Bean ;-)

(Moon) If anyone says they liked that kiss in BJD well then I'm sorry to say, you have never been properly kissed. ;-) Didn't the kiss in BJD get a Best Kiss award some time ago? People's choice or some other award thingy...? If so, there are a lot of unproperly kissed people out there. ;-) BTW: I very much enjoyed your kissing lesson. LOL! Thanks for the link, Karen! That was a hoot.

Er, I guess I should've rather posted that I very much enjoyed reading your kissing lesson. There is a bit of difference. ;-)

(Ildi) Didn't the kiss in BJD get a Best Kiss award some time ago? It was nominated for an MTV movie award in that category, but lost to a same sex one with two guys. Can't recall what actors/which movie, as it wasn't one that I would ever see.

(Karen) but lost to a same sex one with two guys. Didn't it lose to the "Cruel Intentions" kiss? Between Buffy and Selma Blair (they used their tongues...seemed to tip the vote in their favor...all those boys who voted hoping for a repeat performance when they accepted their award).

(Tress)I guess it is the 'feel' of the scene and not the actual kiss. I agree. No, it wasn't an earth shattering kiss, but the moment was out of this world, and my focus wasn't the kiss. But, even though I love the ending of WAGW, the actual kiss in that scene left me feeling a bit blah. I did, and still do, focus on the kiss in that one.

(Linda)...but the moment was out of this world. Yes! That bit where Mark opens up his coat and 'invites' Bridget inside! Loverly! My capture addiction just sneaks up on me sometimes...

American Pie 2's kiss between Jason Biggs and Seann William Scott won: http://www.mtv.com/onair/movieawards/ma02/winners/kiss.jhtml

You're right! Selma and Buffy won in 2000. That was the only same sex kiss I could remember. Biggs and Scott look like they're in pain....IMO, BJD is waaaaay above the other kisses in that group (Moulin Rouge not bad, but that kiss wasn't near to being 'the moment' of the BJD snog). Oh well....MTV, whaddya gonna do? Not exactly the Oscars! Thanks Karen!

(Kimberly) hmmm .I thought you might also post that poem he reads during The One Before the Last . .not as funny as the limerick from BJD . .but to hear him recite it . . Here you go Kimberly! If I should die, think only this of me: That there's some corner of a foreign field That is for ever England. There shall be In that rich earth a richer dust concealed; A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware, Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam, A body of England's, breathing English air, Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home. And think, this heart, all evil shed away, A pulse in the eternal mind, no less Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given; Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day; And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness, In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.

That's the one, Tress . .*sigh* Many thanks! . .I couldn't find the copy you sent me;)

I've obviously missed an important source ;-) Where/when did CF recite this? Inquiring minds...

(Meredith) I've obviously missed an important source ;-) Where/when did CF recite this? Inquiring minds... It's from a radio play Colin did in the late 80s (??). "The One Before the Last". Story of the poet Rupert Brooke. Quite lovely to listen to...he gets a bit 'breathy' in spots!

Tress . . I listened to TOBTL again last nice . . .Ahh Rupert and Carr . .;) It's just lovely . . . I'm telling you will sit and listen to him recite the phone book to me;) BTW, You wouldn't happen to know if the script for this is floating about . . .

Sorry about double post . . Does anyone have a copy of Two Planks and A Passion . .the other radio play he did? . Colin as Richard II:)

(Kimberly) BTW, You wouldn't happen to know if the script for this is floating about . . . I've never seen it, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there somewhere (I'm sure it is!). I just recently found The Lonely Road online (but in German. I cannot find the Fettes' translation). Have never heard Two Planks and a Passion, but you can get that script (It's in "Minghella Plays 1").

For Meredith & Tress: TOBTL - http://hem.passagen.se/lmw/brooke.html Two Planks & a Passion - http://hem.passagen.se/lmw/twoplanks.html

Found a neat site for radio plays, etc. Some were in audio form, but TPaaP is not. http://www.stageplays.com/browse-no-frames.cgi?view=search&group=0&search=two+planks+and+a+passion&Subscribe=search

Maybe Colin as James Bond is a stretch, but I can picture him as the male lead in a movie version of The DaVinci Code -- that character is a college professor (could as easily be from Oxford as from Harvard) who is attractive in an intellectual sort of way. Can't think of anyone who would be more perfect. I can only assume there will be a movie version. Perhaps we could start an early campaign to the casting folks!

I've finally picked up that DaVinci Code book myself and is the next I'll be reading. However, if you check back on Odds & Ends, there have a number of news itms posted about the movie and casting.

Colin was cast as Robert Langdon last year on O&E . Ron Howard is directing. But I bet he picks RC Just a tip to newbies: Read some of the back topics. Lots of interesting stuff there (lots of garbage too;-) But it will give you a flavor of the place.

Just finished watching Hope Springs, and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. After all the negative comments I read about it I expected to see something really crappy, and was prepared to cringe a lot, but that didn't happen that many times. It seemed like a charming, simple, made for TV movie, and I was very happy to see Colin in almost every scene. He looked AFG, I couldn't get enough of him. My heart is still beating wildly at the thought of him. Haven't had that for a while. Hmmm. So now I'm mentally kicking myself for not making much effort to see this before. I should've known, this happened before. I was prejudiced against it based on what others have said, and I should've known better. After all people's taste differ. *banging head against the wall* So I had fun watching it, laughed out loud a few times, and yes, covered my eyes a few times as well, lol, but all in all I found it quite enjoyable. The behind the scenes stuff wasn't much, but it had some Colin in it, so I'm happy. I guess this is one of those movies that didn't exactly propel ODB into stardom, but it's a nice little diversion. And I thought it was well cast.

(Ildiko) He looked AFG The only truly redeeming factor for me. I finally saw a good copy last night. For positive remarks, I can say this for it.... I thought it was beautifully shot, I very much liked he and MD together with their bickering, OP was amusing the short bit he was in it, and ODB was waaay AFG. Virtually as good as he's ever looked in movie. That's about all I can say for it, IMO. I'm glad you liked it, Ildiko.

I'd have to put HS way at the bottom of the list of my preferred ODB movies. The main redeeming factor IMO was the abundance of Colin eye candy. Otherwise, I thought many of the other players were simply caricatures, MD - the classic Cruela DeVille(?sp), MS - the country bumpkin, and my least favorite HG - the wacko free spirit. Must admit I've never really cared for HG in any of the roles she's played - I think she tries to make up for her lack of talet by simply taking her clothes off for any role she plays. For the most part, the film offered a talented cast. It had the makings of a much better film - the characters just never seemed developed enough to believe in. I also found myself cringing in quite a few places - I felt embarrased for ODB. The BLP in WAGW were somewhat charming - swinging the scarf a la Gypsy Rose Lee in HS made me wince. Don't know why his silliness felt OK in one and not the other film.

(Lesliep) I thought many of the other players were simply caricatures, MD - the classic Cruela DeVille(?sp), MS - the country bumpkin, and my least favorite HG - the wacko free spirit. I thought they were caricatures too, my faves were the Fishers. They made me crack up a few times. As for Mandy, other than in the first few minutes of her screen time she didn't seem like much of a free spirit to me, just a normal country girl. (Dorine) ...and ODB was waaay AFG. Virtually as good as he's ever looked in movie. Yes he was, I couldn't believe it. There was the part where they were doing the ...er, innocent thing, and Mandy kept running her hand over his chest, over and over and over, and I thought Oh God. I swear I could feel his flesh under my hand. I was quite bewildered. LOL! What is the matter with me? ;-) The scarf swinging thing didn't make me cringe one bit. I saw him wrapping it around his chest as he approached the door and went Oh no! Just laughed myself silly. The BLP dance in WAGW was hilarious, but it did make me wince.

(Dorine) I thought it was beautifully shot, I very much liked he and MD together with their bickering, OP was amusing the short bit he was in it, and ODB was waaay AFG. This one is my guilty pleasure (pure eye candy, I'm such a shallow girl). Didn't like HG or MS (Those clothes! That accent!), but like the bits you pointed out... I didn't cringe too much at the scarf twirl...I was cringing more for HG and her outburst in the car after chugging a nearly full bottle of schnapps (and miracle of miracles, she didn't throw up or pass out! Amazing!).

I agree that Hope Springs wasn't THAT bad, especially since I was expecting the worst. I just saw it on a Netflix DVD, and it was a pleasant TV-movie-level diversion, nothing memorable but not the worst thing ever. (Londinium is WAY below it in quality.) My husband also didn't hate it, which surprised me. Part of the reason I sorta enjoyed it was I actually liked the book, and I therefore accepted the plot ahead of time. I thought the setting was postcard lovely. Yes, there wasn't enough development in the love story, but HG was beautiful in a fresh and ingenuous way and I could see why Colin would fall in love with her. MD wasn't THAT bitchy. There were moments that made me cringe a little (e.g. the scarf twirling and the tantrum on the golf course), but the moments when Colin has his love-yearning looks (like at the restaurant) are really nice. And he doesn't look bad with his shirt off either. I'm still debating whether I should buy it or not... One problem with the movie compared to the book is that Colin is probably 10 years too old for the role. He really should have been the same age as MD like they were in the book. The plot that had their mothers being pregnant together was integral to the pair's strong connection.

(Katty) Part of the reason I sorta enjoyed it was I actually liked the book, and I therefore accepted the plot ahead of time. I'm curious if it was that way across the board...if you liked the book well enough, you liked the movie and vice versa. Wonder if there are any split decisions anywhere.

Oh, and one more thing.... I'm sitting here watching it before I have to return it to Blocknbuster and wondering what kind of kiss that was between Colin and Mandy while they're dancing, before they run back to the motel. At the beginning of where they start to kiss more passionately, he looks like he's almost ripping half of her lower face off (not really a compliment). And bad, bad Mark Herman for letting that old guy's head dance in the way of the view of them kissing.

(Katty)I actually liked the book, and I therefore accepted the plot ahead of time. I thought the setting was postcard lovely I loved the book-the second time I read it-with Colin's voice in my head. Before seeing the film, I really thought he was perfect for the part. Actually I still think he was perfect for the role--it's the fact that they totally f---ed up the film that bothers me. That being said...in the book I was rooting for Mandy and Colin and hated when Vera came back. I thought the trick she pulled on him was much more vivid and nasty in the book, and I also felt that he was really suffocated by Vera, her mom and sister. The film doesn't really go into that. I think because of the lack of chemistry between CF and HG, IMO---I was actually rooting for Vera and Colin in the film--knowing the plot, I was hoping the screenplay would really depart from the book and Colin would dump Mandy. (Dorine)I'm curious if it was that way across the board...if you liked the book well enough, you liked the movie and vice versa. Wonder if there are any split decisions anywhere. I'm a splitter. Loved the book and other than the AFG aspect of CF, and he truly is AFG in this...I disliked the film. One of the few CF films that I find extremely hard to sit through without taking a break--- Now, if they had dumped HG, and gotten rid of Mary Steenburgen then I think I would have enjoyed it. My favorite scenes were Colin and Minnie.

(lindak)My favorite scenes were Colin and Minnie. I agree. Even though she played the wicked witch, I think she and Colin have great screen chemistry and I found their verbal sparring quite amusing.

(Linda)gotten rid of Mary Steenburgen then I think I would have enjoyed it. Thank you. WTF was her accent supposed to be?!? Actually, all of the accents were messed up (except Colin's because he doesn't have an accent, it's the Americans who talk funny). ;-) (Dorine)Wonder if there are any split decisions anywhere. I disliked the book. I only read it out of "loyalty," and I think I'd rather be stuck reading Nostromo. :-P The movie was, IMHO, better than the pathetic book. On my ranking of films, HS becomes like SLOW and FF: the story makes no sense and/or is stupid, but I could watch Colin in it all day!!! AFG! (Ildi)There was the part where they were doing the ...er, innocent thing, and Mandy kept running her hand over his chest, over and over and over, and I thought Oh God. I swear I could feel his flesh under my hand. Gaah! Yes!!! I had to stop the movie and take several deep breaths after that! AFG! Like Tress said, this was eye candy, but I don't mind being shallow every once in a while. ;-)

(Tress)I didn't cringe too much at the scarf twirl ***Me either. I took it for the silly kind of thing that people do when they are initially in lust and flirting with the *other*. Who remembers?;-)) (Dorine)I'm curious if it was that way across the board...if you liked the book well enough, you liked the movie and vice versa. Wonder if there are any split decisions anywhere. I was amused by the book but read it after I knew that ODB was in it. I think that the book was dry and cute and had more to offer than the film, which does have it's qualities but not in quantity;-)) I was disappointed in the adaptation of the book. It lacks the wry quality of the book, IMO but does have that lovely chest and beach scene....... (Linda)I loved the book-the second time I read it-with Colin's voice in my head. Before seeing the film, I really thought he was perfect for the part. Actually I still think he was perfect for the role--it's the fact that they totally f---ed up the film that bothers me. Ditto in spades! My feeling exactly! (Linda)I think because of the lack of chemistry between CF and HG, IMO---I was actually rooting for Vera and Colin in the film--knowing the plot, I was hoping the screenplay would really depart from the book and Colin would dump Mandy. LOL! Me too! I thought MD was a pisser. A lot of misdirected talent here, IMO.

I finally got my copy of HS, put it on and sat back ready to cringe. As with alot of movies, expectation is all-important. I was so prepared to be mortified on his behalf, I was relieved that it didn't grate on me any worse than it did. IMO it was a low to middlin' romcom. Good rom-coms are few and far between - they either work or they don't. If you aren't made to care whether the leads get together or not, it ain't gonna work. And I not only didn't care, I actively didn't want CW to get together with Mandy. (LindaK)I think because of the lack of chemistry between CF and HG, IMO---I was actually rooting for Vera and Colin in the film--knowing the plot, I was hoping the screenplay would really depart from the book and Colin would dump Mandy. I like hearing about the differences in the movie and the book. Even without knowing about the omissions, I didn't think they set Vera up adequately as the *itch and wanted them to get back together. CW and Vera's scenes were my favorites. I didn't buy for a minute CW would spend the rest of his life in vacuous happiness with Mandy. (Tress)I didn't cringe too much at the scarf twirl Me either. IMO, the scarf twirl, like the BLP episode, were both suppose to humiliate his character - he was supposed to look ridiculous. The BLP scene, however, was EXTREMEly cringe-worthy to me, not because he was doing air-guitar in BLP, but he was doing a particularly doofus air-guitar in BLP and I'm not sure if that was in-character or not. (I pray it was, but if it was - bad choice.) I usually love MS, but here, what thuh? The periferal characters were supposed to be quirky townfolk, but I found them insultingly ridiculous instead. On the plus side, I was amazed just how AFG looking CF was in this film. GAH! That alone is worth the DVD money.

It seems to me that this is the kind of situation where it's better that one didn't read the book first. When I read books that are turned into a movie I often find myself mentally armed to the teeth, waiting for the movie to come out with knives out to see how badly they were butchered. And when the movie turns out to be not quite like the book or the way I imagined I go on the attack. Not a good attitude to have, but... *shrug* Since I never read New Cardiff I have one less reason to find fault with HS. I don't know what the characters were supposed to be like, I take them as I see them and interpret them as I see fit. I watched the movie again last night, wondering if the euphoria of its 'newness' would wear off and I'd be less pleased with it, but I still enjoyed it. The one thing that bothers me in it is that Mandy's drinking in the car just doesn't fit in. She seemed such a normal, regular nice girl in the rest of the movie, the booze swilling and jumping around in the buff seemed weird. Or if that's the way she was supposed to be she should've shown a bit more free spiritedness throughout the whole movie (glad she didn't though). So her character was a bit off, but I very much enjoyed the rest.

How do you feel about "Camille";-))))

(Louise)but he was doing a particularly doofus air-guitar in BLP and I'm not sure if that was in-character or not. I always thought that was the point. Over the years, a perfecly normal, groovy, rock-loving HD grows up and due to family duty, tiitle, advisors, etc grows into a doofus. He was just beginning to get his "groove" back.;-) I never cringed-not even the first time I saw the BLP, nor do I now---about 100 times later. I always enjoyed it for what it was-a bit of fun and fluff in an overall decently, cute film. IMHO, of course. Now, if it was career wrecking--that's another topic that will be decided over time, and not by me;-)

(Linda) Now, if it was career wrecking--that's another topic that will be decided over time, and not by me;-) Every time I saw the BLP dance in the theater (even when I was the only one there ;-D), everyone was cracking up. Got the biggest laughs. As far as career wrecking? I don't think so....he followed up with Johannes quite nicely. (Evelyn) How do you feel about "Camille";-)))) LOL...I got so caught up in the size of the cravats on ODB and the eyeliner on Marguerite that at times I barely paid attention to the melodrama unfolding... ;-)

(Tress)everyone was cracking up. Got the biggest laughs. Yes, it did-always-except in late May when I was the only one in the theater;-) Always got a round of applause, too-that's why I always loved seeing it on busy Saturday nights. (Tress)I got so caught up in the size of the cravats on ODB and the eyeliner on Marguerite LOL, the coughing always did me in;-)It's like yawning. By the end of the film I thought I had TB.

(linkak)I always thought that was the point. Over the years, a perfecly normal, groovy, rock-loving HD grows up and due to family duty, tiitle, advisors, etc grows into a doofus. He was just beginning to get his "groove" back.;-) I guess I thought he looked less like HD and more like Jerry Lewis getting his "groove" back;-D

(Lousie)I guess I thought he looked less like HD and more like Jerry Lewis getting his "groove" back;-D. LOL, can't comment as I've never seen nor would I ever want to see JL in BLP;-) Doofus or not, HD's backside sure looked hot to me.

(Linda) Doofus or not, HD's backside sure looked hot to me. And who can forget (not me) those bare feet....and that funny 'fluff' thing he does to his hair to make it look more "rockin"? The absolute best bit, for me, is the zipper check he does a couple of times....too funny.

(Lindak) Doofus or not, HD's backside sure looked hot to me. Hallelujah and amen sister! Wiggle on nerd-boy, wiggle on....

(Louise) And I not only didn't care, I actively didn't want CW to get together with Mandy... I didn't buy for a minute CW would spend the rest of his life in vacuous happiness with Mandy. LOL. My thoughts exactly. But it wasn't just the lack of chemistry between ODB and HG. I felt that way reading the book, the movie just made it more obvious. (Linda) My favorite scenes were Colin and Minnie. Ditto. (Katty) The plot that had their mothers being pregnant together was integral to the pair's strong connection. The link between C and V in the book explained C's need, for the first time in his life, to be away from her, physically removed from their environment, the only one he knew, and made his trip to America understandable. Looking back, it also explained why V thought all would be forgiven, and they'd get back together. After all, they've always been together. It's expected by everyone in their world, that they'd always be together. (Linda) it's the fact that they totally f---ed up the film that bothers me And the book wasn't great to begin with, not one I'd recommend anyway. Haven't reread yet (don't think I will anytime soon, if at all.) (Evelyn) How do you feel about "Camille";-)))) (Tress) LOL...I got so caught up in the size of the cravats on ODB and the eyeliner on Marguerite that at times I barely paid attention to the melodrama unfolding... ;-) (Linda) By the end of the film I thought I had TB. ROTFL. You ladies kill me, *cough, cough*. Wasn't his fault the leading lady couldn't hack it! (Tress) The absolute best bit, for me, is the zipper check he does a couple of times....too funny. Loved that. Still wonder why he checked. Got my attention. (Maria) Wiggle on nerd-boy, wiggle on.... ROTFL.

Must reserve HS comments till I see the video tape;) WAGW however . .I thought the BLP scene was way too funny . .I laughed out loud and fell off the couch when I saw it for the first time. My DH actually came out of the bedroom to see hwat was the matter with me . .no cringe factor here . .More like applause for Colin for not being afraid to look totally ridiculous on film! (Tress)And who can forget (not me) those bare feet....and that funny 'fluff' thing he does to his hair to make it look more "rockin"? The absolute best bit, for me, is the zipper check he does a couple of times....too funny. Didn't he also have a leetle earring in his ear that he gave an embarrased pull at when he got caught doing the BLP dance? . .I thought that was too cute;) . .And then when he went back to the dance afterwards;) Would love to see all the takes they did for that scene . . . (Evelyn) How do you feel about "Camille";-)))) (Tress) LOL...I got so caught up in the size of the cravats on ODB SNORT . . . ok note to any future costumer . .no cravats please:) . .I remember you said the same about Valmont! I thought Camille was sweet . .I love watching Colin in his early work . . . Greta Sacchi didn't impress me all too much either . .I should see it again to take a look at the eyeliner;) I haven't finished reading the novel yet though . .for some reason I keep putting it down . .Alexandre Dumas I love . .but his son . .for some reason the writing doesn't do much for me :)

(Lindak) Doofus or not, HD's backside sure looked hot to me. I'll *back* you up on that Linda, Tress! I think he's got such a cute butt!

Agree! Baby's sure got "back" ;-) [especially after seeing The Advocate] Love that sinuous little wiggle he uses to get into those BLP. I did comment to the cat, though, that I thought he'd better stick to acting and leave the dancing to others.

Must post this quickly before DH gets up...I had never seen this LOOONG interview with ODB! I still havn't finished watching as I wanted to post it here..It is from BJD times and the audio and video are not aligned and the sound is low..Will have to watch and listen a few more times (aw!) Did he say hot pants? Short shorts? Intriguing...:) Oh, you may need to root around the link to find it... http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.cinematografo.it/ultimepercat.asp%3Fcod%3D18/10/200118:36.21%253Ci%253EBr%26cat%3D2&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcolin%2Bfirth%2B%2B%2522interviste%2Bcon%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG%26as_qdr%3Dall

Maria! . .It sounds wonderful Here's the direct link I rooted around;) http://www.cinematografo.it/ultimepercat.asp?cod=19/10/200116:07.57Il%20di&cat=9 Karen - do you want a transcript???:)

Sorry .double post . .I just loved this! . .my guess is the short pants he was talking about was the field hockey outfit from Dutch Girls (one of my keeps I think;) . . Loved his anecdote about his freind's response to his aftermath of cooking dinner . . And at the very end . .when asked what kind of advice he would give to his son about women . . he started out by saying . ."uh . .Dad doesn't know anything about women . ." . .cute cute cute;) Great interview thanks again Maria!

Thanks, Maria!! The Google Queen comes through again! :-D I've only listened to a minute of it, will go back later, but what is he doing with his hand in his shirt almost vigorously before they start? At first when I was just glancing at it, I thought he was adjusting his mic, but then I really looked and it couldn't be. May have to listen more carefully to what is being said there if anything.

Dorine - I thought he was fixing his mic too . .I think I heard the interview say something like . ."and we contacted your parole officer" or something odd like that . .

(kim)More like applause for Colin for not being afraid to look totally ridiculous on film! He's had experience.

(Kimberly)Karen - do you want a transcript???:) Karen, please forgive my jumping in here but I beg you Kimberly, if you would be so kind as to transcribe..I held the computer speaker up to my ear and yet was still unable to catch all of it...Would love to see and hear all he has to say...Thanks!!!

Maria!!!! OMG!!! That was wonderful!!! Was so happy to 'clicca qui'!!! Anyway, some highlights" When he was asked about the first time he fell in love and he says something about "Denise ???. I was five.....was pretty jaded by the time I was seven!" And then the story about cooking. How he loves to do it, but is very messy....someone came into the kitchen and said "I understand that you could get it on your clothes, and on the counter and all over the stove.....but how did you manage to get it on the ceiling??" and then ODB describes looking up and seeing Indian food above his head! ROTFL! Fantastic! Thank you soooooooo freakin' much for that one! A real treat!

I was five.....was pretty jaded by the time I was seven! That was too cute as well . . . nice interview I thought he seemed very relaxed and forthcoming with his answers. Maria - will try to work on transcript as soon an I can

Maria, thank you and Kim for the direct link. Brava!!!! Oh this is wonderful...reminds me a little of Colin Unplugged. I could hear the interviewer so much better-Colin's voice was a bit muted. I used earphones plugged into the speakers and it was a bit better. (Dorine)I thought he was adjusting his mic, but then I really looked and it couldn't be LOL, if he wasn't adjusting his mic then what the hell was he doing. I really wish I was doing to his chest what he was doing... But you're right there really wasn't any noise like the mic was being adjusted "Oh yes ab-so-lutely"...regarding costumes...probably the best way I've ever heard him say ab-so-lutely...he put a very sexy inflection on the "lutely" You've got to go back and listen. It comes just before the "small shorts, little hot pants" when I was 12. (Tress)something about "Denise ???. sounded like Denise Richardson??? (Tress)and then ODB describes looking up and seeing Indian food above his head! ROTFL! Fantastic! Yes, then I thought I heard him say that the food on the ceiling probably tasted very good. LOL. (CF)...Bridget Jones, herself, had more than a passing interest in Mr. Darcy and Pride and Prejudice ***sigh*** loved that "dad doesn't know very much about women" Amazing find, thanks again.

Maria, you are the best treasure hunter. We should go off to look for a lost Spanish galleon some day. ;-) Thank you! And Kim, very much appreciate your transcript. His voice was rather low on the recording and I too did not catch it all.

Thanks Maria and Kimberley. I just finally had time to listen to the interview and it was a real treat. Forgive my summarizing his comments...but I loved his response to the question about his regard for well written dialogue. He stated that essentially 'the words' are what he's given to work with. As an actor he felt his job was to come up with what's between the words..."it's all in the gestures", he said. OMG...I am hard pressed to come up with an actor who has a greater mastery of the gesture - the unspoken line than Colin. For me, that's where the bulk of his magic lies. (Dorine)I thought he was adjusting his mic, but then I really looked and it couldn't be I honestly think he was scratching an itch. Take a look at the satisfied smirk once he's done fiddling inside his shirt. I got that fizzy feeling all over again just watching. Gaah!

(Lindak) I really wish I was doing to his chest what he was doing... (Lesliep) Take a look at the satisfied smirk once he's done fiddling inside his shirt. Me too. I would just do it a lot more slowly than he did. And then I'd check out his satisfied smirk.;-) Thanks Maria! Too bad I didn't hear much either, but the visuals made up for it.

(Leslie)I honestly think he was scratching an itch. You know, you could be right. I noticed that once he buttoned up his shirt, as he settles down in the chair he rubs his back on the back of the chair as if to scratch an itch. Hey, maybe a bug or something flew into his shirt just as they began...lucky damn bug!

Have LA DVD in my hand and am about to review it. Package (Australia) is as the movie but there is no booklet or anything inside. Simply the DVD sitting all alone. This is apparently as it is in shops. Will get back soon with details of contents.

Okay, there are no deleted scenes of "relevance" but there is a mini interview in the "Storytellers" section where he speaks of his co-star and gets a rave review from her about how great he is. He's sitting next to two meagre orchid plants sans flowers which look a little lonely sitting on the table. Things of "relevance" are the hair, clothes! Hair well under control and clothing black - duh! But overall, very well put together and relaxed. There is a lot of Richard C talking before all deleted scenes and generally making his presence felt throughout the whole thing. Excellent quality picture and sound - one of the best I've seen actually. Now off to actually watch it properly and especially all the Huge comments.

Again on the LA DVD. The commentary is very chummy with them talking over each other quite a lot. At times they get a little too into each other rather than the movie imo. Hugh sighs heavily at each sight of Colin! Fills in comments such as - oh now we're back to the boring bit. A couple of times someone says - God he looks good when Colin appears and I think this came from Richard and Bill. When Richard tells them all to pay attention to Colin and how great he is in the smoulder when talking of driving her home, Hugh suggests that Richard probably had only to paste it in from one of his previous roles. Hugh also says he loves the Romeo Juliette scene when Colin proposes as it's the worst thing you can do to a woman to shoot her from beneath yet she stands up to it beautifully and fortunately it meant shooting Colin from above which was no doubt done to make him look thinner! It's done in true British understatement and all in good fun. There was frequent talk of walking without dialogue and its difficulties and the consensus was that Colin is a great walker - straight shoulders, determined. (In case no one here has noticed!) Overall the DVD package is paltry. The cover is as the posters but is printed one side only so the inside reveals a lonely looking DVD in amongst all that white space. The DVD sliced up heart is in pale blue not red as on the soundtrack. There is not a sign of a menu list or anything. The back cover does hold a small shot of the kiss at least. (Perhaps all this is only for here (Australia) but I doubt it.) Still it's a must own. The quality is superb. Even the titles are exquisite in their sharpness and colour.

carol, How long is Colin's part....15-20 minutes, max?

Mmm . Carol, thanks for your breakdown on the DVD extras;) (Carol)and the consensus was that Colin is a great walker - straight shoulders, determined. Hey Linda, can you verify that from your glimpse of him from Dean and Delucca's:)

(Carol) and the consensus was that Colin is a great walker - straight shoulders, determined. He is really an amazing walker....that walk at Netherfeld (when he walks behind Lizzy so he could get a better view)...and from repeated WAGW viewings this weekend, that walk when he goes after Libby and Daphne as they leave the dance floor. Shoulders thrown back and those big strides....barreling right at you when he needs to use the loo....hmmmmmm....determined is right!

(Kim)Hey Linda, can you verify that from your glimpse of him from Dean and Delucca's:). It was the walk that caught my eye in the first place. I don't jog a whole lot so you know it was pretty darn close--if not him(and I really do think it was him)...to have me run out in the rain, across the street, on two hours sleep...as I was ordering coffee from a very baffled young lady behind the counter;-) The things you do for love. Now, getting back to his walk...Since I just heard him say "shagging" over on CF news, I'm in shagging mode, so I my favorite is the "walk" from Nimi's place early in the morning after shagging her--with the cigarette, too. So there. Now, I'm getting out of here.

Evelyn - carol, How long is Colin's part....15-20 minutes, max? I'd say a bit longer than that - maybe 23 minutes. The shot of him finding his brother in bed with his girlfriend was shot later. Originally Colin's girlfriend was Alan R's squeeze and it was her whom Colin spoke to on the phone in France. However it was felt that if she was his girlfriend he would only look hurt and not be ready to fall in love with someone new so they invented that scene where it's made clear that he's been cuckolded in no uncertain manner which allows him to move straight on. Thank goodness or we'd hardly have seen any of him. Hugh was surprised when he saw Colin at the beginning - before him. He had no idea that scene had been shot. Oh and btw the nasty cuckolding brother can be seen at the back of Jamie's family when they greet him at the door at Christmas time. Another reason for him to leave. The DVD is worth owning simply for the nice comments on Colin. I mean the smoulder and the walk! What more can a girl want!

Another tidbit. There was a 45 minute meeting about the colour of her underwear to be seen before the dive in the lake. MEN! And they do mention Colin's penchant for being wet and "our" desire to see it.

Carol - many thanks for your intrepid reporting on the LA DVD. Now it's only more difficult waiting for my copy to arrive in May. Loved everyone's comments on *the walk*. Second only to "the smoulder" IMHO.

(Carol) There was a 45 minute meeting about the colour of her underwear to be seen before the dive in the lake. MEN! LOL! Hey, that's an important detail, isn't it? I'm sure it made for a rather enjoyable meeting. :-) Thanks for the DVD info Carol, I can't wait to buy this one. My fave walk scenes are the one in WAGW wher he hurries after Daphne at her ball, and the one in TIOBE walking through those many doors at Lady B's house. Smouldering? I dunno if anybody can beat Darcy and Vermeer. Although they smouldered very differently...

(linda)It was the walk that caught my eye in the first place. I don't jog a whole lot so you know it was pretty darn close--if not him(and I really do think it was him)...to have me run out in the rain, across the street, on two hours sleep...as I was ordering coffee from a very baffled young lady behind the counter;-) The things you do for love. Ahh . .will never forget that moment . .I heard the sound bite on CF topic . .v. v. nice . . hmm now would like to hear Colin say "alert" . .will never think of the word in the same context again:P (carol)Hugh was surprised when he saw Colin at the beginning - before him. He had no idea that scene had been shot. Well, RC had to give the audience what they were there to see, right? . .I was happy to see ODB right there at the top of the film:)

(karen)He has. It's the "much rather do it, then watch rumpy-pumpy" quote (CF) "I don't like sex scenes you know...In fact, I hate them. There is nothing worse than watching bums going up and down on screen. It's unnecessary and awful for the audience to watch." (The Express, 30 March 1997) (CF)� I think film does lose a great deal of its power once people are actually shagging.� �Once everyone�s got their kit off it becomes biology after that really.� (http://www.nmpft.org.uk/film/filmdetail.asp?ida=4294) All the goings on this past week on the various topics regarding ODB�s **position** on film sex has driven me to total distraction. Thought I needed to get a better handle on the subject so off to the video library I went last night for a first time viewing of FF. The only redeeming factor in this awful film (IMO) is how AFG he his in the intimate scenes with �Cynthia� � where they�re just being affectionate as well as when they�re actually shagging each other�s brains out. In terms of the shagging � I thought the acting and cinematography in that scene was approaching as good as it gets IMO. Yeah, I think the full out, graphic bums going up and down does cause a film to lose some of its power. But when done like that � just a close-up of their intimate facial expressions while you know full well about the biology of what�s going in down below is quite **exhilarating**. The intensity of the stare, the well-placed bead of sweat running down the side of his face, the soft moans � OMG, I nearly had to stop the tape in order to recover. That said, after my cold hose break you know I re-ran that baby a number of times. (Thank God for VCR�s and DVD�s. What did film fans do in the �age before the earth�s crust cooled�?) My internal temperature rose even further in the scene where he and Cynthia are wandering through the grocery store nuzzling and snogging each other left and right. I couldn�t help but think of his soft grunts and nuzzles as an early precursor to the mastery he displayed 10 years later in Bridget�s apartment doorway. And then he finishes the scene by desperately whispering to her, �You have to marry me.� To which she simply replies, �I know.� Lord, what that man does to me ought to be a crime. Need to stop here � fingers melting keyboard at this point. Pulse rapid, breathing labored. Must return to VCR for further analysis.

Just to show how frazzled I was in my prior post, the following line "...while you know full well about the biology of what�s going in down below..." should have read "...while you know full well about the biology of what�s going ON down below..." Oh gawd, I really am in a state..

(Lesliep) I think the full out, graphic bums going up and down does cause a film to lose some of its power. But when done like that � just a close-up of their intimate facial expressions while you know full well about the biology of what�s going in down below is quite **exhilarating**. Well said, Leslie. I really should make a bit of an effort to get my hands on Colin's oldies. You are whetting my appetite. :-) (Lesliep) Oh gawd, I really am in a state.. Enjoy it! Makes a working day so much more bearable...

Leslie! LOL...you got me all excited to see FF again. Haven't watched it in donkey's years...you picked my two favorite scenes (besides the bit where he is talking to Billy Zane and wiggling his toes, but that is a personal thing I kinda have to work through ;-D). (Leslie) The intensity of the stare, the well-placed bead of sweat running down the side of his face, the soft moans � OMG, I nearly had to stop the tape in order to recover. I was never sure if it was sweat or a tear. But I guess sweat makes more sense. It was the placement of the fluid that caused me some confusion! ;-) (Leslie) My internal temperature rose even further in the scene where he and Cynthia are wandering through the grocery store nuzzling and snogging each other left and right. Really like that bit...okay...love that bit... Another good vertical shag can be seen in WoF (bit more nudity, hers (afterwards) not his) but done in the same sort of way....you, know...if you're interested in comparison...or somethin' ;-)

(lesliep)Just to show how frazzled I was in my prior post, the following line "...while you know full well about the biology of what�s going in down below..." should have read "...while you know full well about the biology of what�s going ON down below..." I kinda liked your first post - more succinct;-D

(Leslie) My internal temperature rose even further in the scene where he and Cynthia are wandering through the grocery store nuzzling and snogging each other left and right. Ah yes, "up against the freezer scene"...a favorite around here;-) Joe Prince is one of my heroes. As it has been said:"You -could -be -sure -he'd -be -there- in- the -morning- type of -guy" Don't know if it got commercial release, but it was a favorite of the airlines one year.

Well, I'm glad to see my post has generated some discussion. It's good to know I am not alone. (Tress) I was never sure if it was sweat or a tear. I thought it was sweat because when they cut to a view of him from behind his shoulders were all wet too. But a tear? Hmmm... that leads me down another train of thought. Thanks for the tip. It's back to the VCR I go. (Tress)Another good vertical shag can be seen in WoF I've seen it but for some reason it didn't have the same impact on me. Perhaps I need to view it again this evening after I wear out my FF tape. (Evelyn) Joe Prince is one of my heroes. As it has been said:"You -could -be -sure -he'd -be -there- in- the -morning- type of -guy" Absolutely!!

Wow, Leslie! LOL! I couldn�t help but think of his soft grunts and nuzzles as an early precursor to the mastery he displayed 10 years later in Bridget�s apartment doorway. My favourite. This he does so very well. ;-)

(lesliep)Just to show how frazzled I was in my prior post, the following line "...while you know full well about the biology of what�s going in down below..." should have read "...while you know full well about the biology of what�s going ON down below..." (Louise) I kinda liked your first post - more succinct;-D That's what I like about this place, so much in common. I also found the first post sufficiently to the point. ;-D

The point is...you guys are killing me! Thank goodness my DH is flying in tonight for the weekend. Looks like my "gotta get it" list has just grown!

Oh lordy, now I have to watch FF tonight, Leslie and Tress, I must know if it is a tear or sweat. I was in the sweat camp, hadn't really thought about tears, since I didn't have JP pegged as a weeper--oops, wrong film;-) (Leslie)Oh gawd, I really am in a state.. Yeah, and you managed to take a number of people with you;-) (Moon)This he does so very well. ;-) He is the Grand Puba of grunters.

(Linda) He is the Grand Puba of grunters. and nuzzlers... (Linda) I must know if it is a tear or sweat. Kinda changes the mood of the scene if it is one or the other....I always thought it was a tear cuz Joe's kinda sensitve and I did peg him as a weeper! ;-) But it could just as easily have been a 'warm' moment too...hmmmm..... (Barb) I also found the first post sufficiently to the point. ;-D So naughty! LOL...glad to be in your company! ;-)

(Leslie)Oh gawd, I really am in a state.. (Linda)Yeah, and you managed to take a number of people with you;-) Count me in! Those above mentioned scenes are among my faves. The first time I saw the FF shag face it knocked me off my seat:-0 A veritable *thud* moment and I also suffered from repeatitis;-))

OK, OK, I admit to watching the shagging scene several times today in response to our discussions and here's what I come up with... (Tress)I was never sure if it was sweat or a tear. I think you could go either way on this one. It's either a tear coming from the outside corner of his eye or a bead of sweat coming from his left temple and down the side of his cheek. I tend to vote for sweat as there are clear signs of perspiration on other areas of his body at the time - the front of his neck, the face, and the back of the shoulders. Another point of interest. At the end of the shag 'Cynthia' falls off the bed. Colin rolls off to join her on the floor and sort of 'shimmies' on his stomach up along side her. For a brief moment (in the lower left hand corner of the screen) you catch a glimpse of a black waistband on what I assume are underpants on Colin. So it seems he may have had limits to his on-screen sexcapades even back then when as Evelyn put it, 'he was working more on his craft than being a jobbing actor'.

(lesliep: For a brief moment you catch a glimpse of a black waistband....) How often have you watched that scene in slo-mo, huh? ;) It was sweat, I swear. Having a hot time under hot klieg light.

(Manuela)How often have you watched that scene in slo-mo, huh? ;) More than is probably healthy. If I keep it up I'm going to need a defibrillator. (Manuela)It was sweat, I swear. Having a hot time under hot klieg light If he was doing the scene in his underpants, then I would say that instead of working up a sweat under the lights, some 'lackie' sprayed it on with a water bottle. As for moisture elsewhere on the body, well that's a different story...

For anyone still looking for a copy of FF, it's being re-released on VHS (EP version) in the US on 11 May. (Posted at CFFW). No DVD, though:( Mine's a second-hand copy bought on Ebay. -Does anyone know if EP NTSC tapes play in the UK?

(Janet)For anyone still looking for a copy of FF, it's being re-released on VHS (EP version) in the US on 11 May. I've noticed that the version of FF being released on 5/11 is advertised on Amazon as being 'EP version-2004' and 'dubbed in English'. I interpret EP to possibly suggest 'un-cut' and given the discussion these past two days that would be **very** appealing. But 'dubbed in English'?? What's that all about?

(Janet), -Does anyone know if EP NTSC tapes play in the UK? I have a PAL/NTSC VCR which plays both, they are expensive but I can play tapes I've bought in the UK (Fever Pitch), and in Italy. So the answer is yes.

I think FF is also being released on DVD under the title Sante Fe Stampede. DeepDiscountDVD.com has it with a release date of May 11 and Amazon.ca releases it a week later.

(Sandy)I think FF is also being released on DVD under the title Sante Fe Stampede. DeepDiscountDVD.com has it with a release date of May 11 and Amazon.ca releases it a week later. Yikes! And here's the link. What a silly title, IMO. Imagine the *extras*;-)) http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=RPC012953

Santa Fe Stampede is a John Wayne film from 1938....Amazon has SFS coming out on May 11 (same day as VHS of Femme Fatale) and it says B&W though it doesn't say who is in it. I think DeepDiscount may have switched their descriptions (and caused me a minor heart attack as I was imagining the slo-mo abilities I would have on the tootsies)????

(Tress) I think DeepDiscount may have switched their descriptions (and caused me a minor heart attack as I was imagining the slo-mo abilities Tress and Bee...that was a five alarm false alarm. All hot and bothered, here. I need help!!!

(Linda)Tress and Bee...that was a five alarm false alarm. All hot and bothered, here. I need help!!! ROTF!!! Well me too! I was gonna pre-order....... My DH would woulds thought I truely lost all of my marbles;-))

(Linda)Tress and Bee...that was a five alarm false alarm. All hot and bothered, here. I need help!!! Thanks for the laugh ladies! -My DH would have thought I'd truly lost the plot if a John Wayne film had dropped through my letterbox, since he's my least favourite actor of all time!(ducking)

(Sandy)I think FF is also being released on DVD under the title Sante Fe Stampede. For a brief moment there, I thought some clever marketing person had figured out how much I like Joe Prince! Haven't been to Santa Fe or caused a stampede lately though.:-) I'm with CF when it comes to screen sex--less is more. Consequently, my favorite part of that scene is the intro shot with him sitting under the tree. I thought it very believable that a married man looking for his missing wife would remember especially since he is trying to think of everything to find the clues. Much better than your average scene that seems to be tacked on just so the movie can get a R rating and be taken seriously by adults.

Tress) I think DeepDiscount may have switched their descriptions (and caused me a minor heart attack as I was imagining the slo-mo abilities Well, I guess I am confused and you are no doubt right. But then there is this link ... http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/item.asp?N=38&R=915778&act=A03&Item=1715312953&Section=dvd&Catalog=DVD&Lang=en&mscssid=37MDBQ6U07CS8PCDDP23SGJUUMNX2C75&WSID=05041B30377700D74670B6F78BE3AE3A8AA35424

(sandyw)Well, I guess I am confused and you are no doubt right. But then there is this link ... Don't build up your hopes. The product description mentions video and NTSC, so I think it may be another error:( BTW I think EP means Extended Play, a format which I don't believe is used in Europe, where we only have SP and LP. So not more naughty bits, I fear!!:((((

I finally had to see what was generating so much traffic on Firthology. Ah, yes.... from the old memory vault, Colin and amore or, as he says, biology. What a romantic guy! ;-) FYI, it isn't a freezer compartment in FF, but a refrigerated case. You can see orange juice as I recall if you tear your eyes away from the Snuzzler for a sec. Re: Underpants Absolutely. He's wearing something. I don't recall seeing a black band, but there's a miniscule swatch of light blue in the lower left-hand corner as he tumbles off the bed. Femme Fatala's latest rerelease. The description saying "dubbed in English" bothers me, as there have been occasions (Valmont??) where a foreign item showed up on amazon. As to EP, it usually refers to the speed at which a tape is recorded. Extended Play is between Standard Play (best and what most commercial tapes are supposed to be) SLP (super long play), which allows you to put *more* on a tape because it's all dragged out. A VCR will play EP in EP mode even if you cannot set it to play that way. Does that make any sense? It will or should play however it is recorded. It has nothing to do with "naughty bits." In the US, when FF was shown on the Lifetime Channel, it was edited down and all the good biological stuff was cut out. However, it was also renamed "Fatal Woman." Now, is this a video or a DVD. If you look at the John Wayne movie at DeepDiscountDVD and Chapters (Canada), it has the same UPC or ISBN number as the FF video. If it were a DVD, it would have a different number. Case closed? If you're going to buy, remember, the Boutique has a link.

Received this email today from Chapters Indigo Online. Thank you for your e-mail regarding "Femme Fatale". We would like to confirm that the following item will be released on DVD in May 2004: 1. Femme Fatale Star: Colin Firth Director: Andre Guttfreund Released By: Republic Pictures Home Video Rating: R (MPAA) Release Date: May 2004 UPC: 017153129533 Not yet available - PreOrder Today Our Price: $16.59

We would like to confirm.... Yesssssss! Thank you Janet for writing!! And thank you Sandy (for your sleuthing and for having faith while I moped about thinking of all the freeze frame possibilities on a John Wayne flick!). Has anyone pre-ordered?

Thank you Janet. Leave it to you to go the direct route and get an answer to the mystery. And of all films to ressurect on DVD, why this one? Will we be seeing Playmaker next? Has anyone heard anything more about the BBC releasing some of their movies on DVD? I would love to see Tumbledown or Master of the Moors.

(Ssndy) Will we be seeing Playmaker next? I'm there! Tell me where to order. ;-)

(Sandy) Will we be seeing Playmaker next? (Karen) I'm there! Tell me where to order. ;-) Oooohhhhh.....the freeze frame potential......and the captures! Nessie and.....okay...that's a girlie gif but you get the idea!

One can only hope... And let's not forget the zoom feature! ;-)

(Janet)We would like to confirm.... Thanks, Janet. After all the hoopla last week my tape's getting a wee bit fuzzy. Guess I'll just have to reach for that American Express one more time.

(Karen)And let's not forget the zoom feature! ;-) And the slow-mo. OMG. JP shagging and falling off the bed in slow-mo. Can you bear it? Janet and Sandy, you girls rock! (Sandy) Will we be seeing Playmaker next? LOL, not if YKW has anything to do with it. CF on Playmaker: "I said yes to the movie. But it was a terrible film and I hope it sinks without a trace."

LOL you guys, you are a hoot! Janet, thanks for the info. I dunno if this had been posted in the past, but I just found it. A trailer for Playmaker. Trailer I haven't seen this yet, and can't believe my eyes how "much" the trailer shows. The movie might be crap, but oh, such lovely visuals!

(Linda channeling ODB): "I said yes to the movie. But it was a terrible film and I hope it sinks without a trace." Mayhaps he was talking about Nessie and not the film itself......?? ;-D

I haven't seen Playmaker, but from the trailer that Ildi provided (Thank you!) it seems to me that ODB can play creepy *really* well. Makes one wonder what potential was lost. At any rate, I will never look at a pair of scissors quite the same way again ;-)

(Ildi) The movie might be crap, but oh, such lovely visuals! *sputtering* *head spinning in manner of Linda Blair in The Exorcist* Oh no! Oh no! This movie is not for your eyes. It is only for those of us with prurient interests, and I currently head the national membership committee. You either want to see him nekkid or you don't. No waffling allowed. ;-) BTW, great find on the trailer and I do love those production notes, especially this bit... Playmaker commenced production in August 1993, many months and several rewrites after the initial screenplay was obtained by producer Peter Samuelson from two people he'd seen at the corner of Santa Monica Boulevard and Century Park East holding a sign reading "Need Money for Movie." ROTFLOL! A gem! A diamond in the rough! Wonder what they could've purchased across the street. ;-)))))))

LOL!! OMG, that's priceless!

That Playmaker cover art I've only seen on the German release, and those of dubious origin from S.E. Asia.

Playmaker is not crap! Okay, just MHO. In Germany we would say the movie is that bad that it is good again. ;) And there is this scene when he comes out of the shower...ahhhhh...this look on his face - camera goes down...for a short moment you get a glimpse - NO ladies, not little Colin - on his pubic hair. And I was sitting there thinking...there you have him, all naked...deep breathe...why can't this damn camera get a bit deeper? ACK! Women are shown all the time frontal. This is unfair!!

You ladies never cease to amaze me with what you so cleverly find. Thanks Ildiko for the Playmaker trailer and press kit. It's whetted my appetite for an indepth study. (Manuela) ...why can't this damn camera get a bit deeper? ACK! Women are shown all the time frontal. This is unfair!! I'm with you all the way. This is a women's rights issue if there ever was one.

I can't help it, I'm always too late with your topics,(see PM). I hate this! :( Anyway, last week I've watched Notting Hill for the 2nd time and again I thought it's a good movie but would had been better with Colin instead of Hugh Grant. Yesterday I watched Mickey Blue Eye on TV and remembered what some of you said about Colin pressing his lips in kissing scenes. Hugh does the same and even more worse. I'd rather have Colin in a "bad" kissing scene than Hugh drop his trousers. But to be honest I never noticed Colin kisses with that much compressed lips on screen.(to me it always looks hot enough...*beg*) Only in HS, but I think that's just because there was not the best chemistry between him and Heather. You have no idea how much I would like to see Colin doing a movie with Salma Hayek!

(Karen) You either want to see him nekkid or you don't. No waffling allowed. ;-) LOL Karen! No, I don't believe in black and white. Most things in life are grey, so there's got to be a middle road. I never said I didn't like seeing Colin nekkid (as long as the er, main thing is covered). He's got a gorgeous body, and I'm no nun. I just don't want to see his reproductive organ. That takes the mystery out of it, and I need something left for my imagination. ;-)

Thanks, Ildiko. Great find on PM. Now that I've settled down from last week's foray into Femme Fatale, perhaps I should get this one out of the cabinet. I do remember the drooleurs talking once about the shadow or outline of *something* behind glass bricks and I never went off to verify for myself. Hmmm...

(Ildiko)(as long as the er, main thing is covered) ROTFLOL (Ildiko)He's got a gorgeous body IMHO gorgeous it ain't. He's gangly and skinny with absolutely no arm muscles. - his bod is not Jude Law or, a personal fave, Antonio Banderas, purdy. STILL, I think it is adorable - broad shoulders to die for and FABULOUS neck (this is firthology, isn't it) and the walk, Louisa (am I talkin' to myself?) THE WALK. PM is worth the money in butt-time alone. And also for the record, if nessie ever surfaces - I'm so there. Sorry, gotta go lie down and press a cold compress to my forehead...

(Ildi)I just don't want to see his reproductive organ. At the end of the year, we should put together Great Drool Quotes of the past 12 months; Ildi, yours gets my vote to start things off.;-) Hee hee . . . That takes the mystery out of it See, I think mystery is way overrated.;-) And what would you do if you lived in Ewan McGegor's house?;-) ;-) Thanks for the info on Femme Fatale on DVD; *that* one I'll buy. Trivia: Was flipping channels yesterday and saw one of Colin's FF co-stars in a celebrated film from the '80s. Name the actress and the movie.

LOL, of all people to find the PM trailer. *still shaking head* Ildi, you are amazing! (Ildi)I just don't want to see his reproductive organ. They (the RO's) probably won't get a lot of screen time, just hide your eyes and it'll be over in a flash;-) (Mari_And what would you do if you lived in Ewan McGegor's house?;-) ;-) Me? I'd probably go with the flow;-)

(Mari)And what would you do if you lived in Ewan McGregor's house?;-) ;-) Tough one . .he's a fave of mine;) . .when talking to him, direct eye contact . .but the minute he turns away . .woo hoo baby! . .chekin out the moon, stars, sun and everything nature has to offer. . . Many thanks for the PM trailer;)

(Ildi) I just don't want to see his reproductive organ. C'mon...one reproductive organ is the same as another, and you held out on O&E in favor of Ewan McGregor walking around the house in a family setting with his reproductive organs flopping away.

(Louise) He's gangly and skinny with absolutely no arm muscles. He's thin...but he has nice definition on the legs. The arms are thin...he has that bit of a dent/flat spot at the sternum...but I find it all v. v. sexy. I like tall, thin boys (married one). Don't like barrel chests or thick legs/necks/arms on men. Like 'em lean and sinewy, but it is the broad shoulders and the height on ODB that are the clincher for me....GAH! (Ildi) I just don't want to see his reproductive organ. ROTFL...personally, I'm all for showing the ROs. It's the 'forbidden' right? If I can see it, maybe I wouldn't talk or think about it so much....LOL...Yeah! Right! ;-D

FYI, his body wouldn't be the same as it was in FF or PM, given the passage of years, but more importantly, his body underwent a radical change as a result of working out with Cornel Chin for BJD. He had more definition and sculpting... of course it may have all gone to pot again. Can't comment on the shape of R.O. though. ;-)

(Karen)FYI, his body wouldn't be the same as it was in FF or PM, given the passage of years As thin as he was, there was less to travel south than for most of us. I you think the 33-43 years would make a difference, just imagine 43-53 - ouch. If he has kept that semi-sculpted look, have we seen it? I don't remember a shirt-off scene since BJD.

(Karen) He had more definition and sculpting... of course it may have all gone to pot again. Like his chest and arms in HS....but I like him thin...the tummy's not bad either. Visible clavicle (not hidden with extra meat)....Mmmmmm... And when he loses the pants...well...he's got those muscles right above the kneecap that are pretty irresistible! I think he's managed to keep it together pretty nicely since BJD. And now you know how I spent my weekend! LOL! (Karen) Can't comment on the shape of R.O. though. ;-) Welllll....it's been working out. I imagine it's in pretty good shape too! ;-D And unfortunately, I can only imagine!

(Tress)Welllll....it's been working out. I imagine it's in pretty good shape too! ;-D And unfortunately, I can only imagine! Tress, you are sooo bad!!;) Thanks, Ildi, for the links to Playmaker. Unfortunately, I really do feel that we've probably seen all we are going to of ODB. BTW, I did think he looked wonderful in HS. I like a little meat on his bones.

Oh Tress, love those pictures. His chest does look very, very nice, but I do wish he had a bit more in the arm department. However, my favorite is that clavicle shot with that wonderful triangle just above the bone leading to his neck, I'm thinking whoever did the lighting must have liked that little area too it is highlighted so nice.

You are all *bad*!!! ROTF. ODB seems to be built like my DH...tall and "rangy". Not much bodyfat and muscles that don't bulk up so much as they get "stringy" sort of. Don't be deceived, though, I'll bet he's still pretty strong, especially if he's continued to work out. I refuse to comment on the condition of the other parts ;-)

(Louise)I don't remember a shirt-off scene since BJD. The HS premiere in London was a year ago this Wednesday. He may not have had his shirt off but here are a few with the shirt on where he looks pretty damn hot. IMO, of course. http://www.firth.com/images/hope/prem/hslonprem_025m.jpg ...and another http://www.firth.com/images/hope/prem/hslonprem_023m.jpg (Tress)I imagine it's in pretty good shape too! And in good shagging order;-) BTW, Tress, how am I supposed to post with those legs, clavicle and all other body parts looking out at me? Huh? And lets not forget the smile. Haven't said it in awhile. AFG, simply AFG.

Oh crap, see. I forgot my tags.

(Louise) And also for the record, if nessie ever surfaces - I'm so there. You won't be alone. Repeat ticket-buying for that one would have to eclipse Linda's record for WAGW. Shoot! I'd bring provisions and camp out for the duration. ;-) BTW, the membership secretary's slot is open in the Secret Organ Watcher's group (S.O.W. - an affiliate of Prurient Interest Groups or P.I.G.)

(Gail) However, my favorite is that clavicle shot with that wonderful triangle just above the bone leading to his neck.... LOL....just in case you're interested, it's called the super sternal notch. Come and visit us in Dorset when all this nonsense is over....okay, I'm back...LOL...I couldn't resist TEP quote. One of my fav (non-ODB) bits from that movie. (Linda) And in good shagging order;-) ...and you thought I was talkin' about some other form of 'working out' (I wanna know what you were thinking now?? ;-D)?? LOL! Or were you thinking 'working out' was a solo activity? Goodness...I really need to just stop...;-) (Karen) BTW, the membership secretary's slot is open in the Secret Organ Watcher's group (S.O.W. - an affiliate of Prurient Interest Groups or P.I.G.) ROTFL...Secret? I fear I'm a very open observer...a member of sister splinter group P.O.W. (the Public Organ Watchers) but wholeheartedly admit to being a P.I.G. BTW, who is president of S.O.W.?

How could I have forgotten HS shirt-off scene. He looked as good or better there than he did HotP. In the "stay in me" scene he was propped up on his arms and it took a while to figure out that it was his arms not hers:D Maybe he is keeping up with that work-out. Didn't he say "I don't like to exercise in front of other people?" Personal trainer, huh. (Karen)the membership secretary's slot is open in the Secret Organ Watcher's group (S.O.W. - an affiliate of Prurient Interest Groups or P.I.G.) I'll be secretary of "member" ship! Only as my civic duty you understand;D

You guys are a hoot!! (Karen)FYI, his body wouldn't be the same as it was in FF or PM, given the passage of years I personally like the older, improved (IMO) version of ODB. Find the sculpting v. v. nice. In the early years he seemed too thin and a bit pasty. Not that it ever mattered - he had me hook, line and sinker with 'dearest, loveliest, Elizabeth' and there was barely a glimpse of any skin in that one. Tress - I officially submit my application to POW.

Sign me up for P.I.G., please. For I am TRULY interested and quite Purient ;-D

(Leslie)...he had me hook, line and sinker with 'dearest, loveliest, Elizabeth' and there was barely a glimpse of any skin in that one. And what little skin you saw was amazing...since Mr. Darcy was so covered during most of the film, when you did get a bit of skin it felt a bit naughty....that bit of neck at Rosings while he wrote to Elizabeth and the peek at Pemberly in wet shirt...I find myself just staring at that lovely mole, completely transfixed during that scene. And blast his valet for having such impeccable timing and stepping in front of him with robe open! ;-D

(Tress)that bit of neck at Rosings while he wrote to Elizabeth I never did get the brouhaha over the wet shirt bit - it was the exposure of his neck that did it for me!

(Tress)since Mr. Darcy was so covered during most of the film, when you did get a bit of skin it felt a bit naughty.... Disagree. The most naughty parts in P&P are covered up. Methinks the tight britches poll won over the wet shirt. That's where the whole L/R discussion started. Hard to beat the frontal wedding scene;-)

(Evelyn) Hard to beat the frontal wedding scene;-) You're right there....hard to beat that one (actually two...if you count Bingley ;-D). Though I also love the second proposal for looking below the waistline...I just think the skin seen in P&P felt a bit more illicit than the skin seen in some other ODB films...like I was being allowed to see something I shouldn't (think Lizzy felt the same way as she couldn't even look him in the eye really...but she didn't even blush when she saw her intended in his wedding outfit ? LOL...girl has it all mixed up)! Would really like to know if Crispin and Colin could look each other in the face without cracking up while in their costumes. I can't imagine it escaped their notice....

ROFLMAO Today... Me: trying to be very good, studying for test Wednesday. (BFOQ, ADEA, WARN,IRCA...boring boring boring) Firthology: RO, S.O.W., P.I.G, super sternal notch. Gah! So much to learn, so little time....and I ask you, what *is* really important after all? Thanks for the link Ildi. And thanks all for perspective checks. (Will now have son hide mouse...)

Ladies, ladies! Goodness me!!! I simply had to see what the big hubbub was about and now I fear my delicate young sensibilities have been smutched irrevocably. ;-) That being said, I'd happily serve S.O.W./P.O.W./P.I.G in any means possible, in the name of scientific researc and the advancement of knowledge for the betterment of womankind. (Barb)and I ask you, what *is* really important after all? To think that before I discovered ODB my priorities were school, work, and family... how misguided I was. ;-)

(Evelyn) The most naughty parts in P&P are covered up. Methinks the tight britches poll won over the wet shirt Here! Here! The tight britches win hands down IMO. Never gave a hoot about the wet shirt. That made it 'Oh so much more lovely' when we saw him **adjust** himself in his britches offstage at SNL. Remember Linda??

On the WAGW DVD extra scenes, there's a shot of Henry in jeans walking down the market. Maybe some of you have discovered it earlier. One of my favorite "full frontal" shots.

Oh my goodness . .I come back from an evening rehearsal and look at everything I missed!!!! Do we get to be a card carrying member of any of the groups mentioned above???:)

(Leslie) Here! Here! The tight britches win hands down IMO. A treat for you and Evelyn....a little somethin' I found on an older Darcy topic.... And then just cuz I happened upon it while looking for the britches....

(Tress) just in case you're interested, it's called the super sternal notch Actually, it's the suprasternal notch. Sorry, gotta put my degree to use once in a while. ;-) That little spot does it for me when Darcy is writing his letter to Elizabeth and he leans back with his neck exposed. *sigh* Apparently, there are others who share a fascination with this area. This site focuses on a CF movie, but on the wrong people. ;-) http://www.anesi.com/super.htm

(Mari) And what would you do if you lived in Ewan McGegor's house?;-) ;-) I wouldn't bat an eye. Since I have no interest in EM as a man, his ROs would leave me stone cold. (Louise) IMHO gorgeous it ain't. He's gangly and skinny with absolutely no arm muscles. That's okay, I'm not into well muscled men. Colin's main attraction for me is his face, and I love the look of his chest. Very lovely, as Tress's pics demonstrate it well. Yumm! (Evelyn) ...one reproductive organ is the same as another,... Wot??!! You've got to be kidding. I don't care if any other actor puts "them" out there for all to see, I have no interest in them whatsoever. But ODB is "special", and I want that part of him remain a mystery. I don't make much sense do I? There are feelings that I'm unable to put into words properly, so ... I'll just leave it as it is. But there is definately a difference (for me) between a man walking around in the privacy of his home with his er, things flapping around, and someone flapping them for an audience. But I really don't give a hoot, as long as I'm not "involved". And in Colin's case I am. You guys are incredible. You all had me in stitches. Here I am at 2 AM, just home from work, laughing my silly head off. Thank you!

Geez! What are you girls (and Colin!!!) doing to me? Never before in my entire life on earth (what was it, 41 or so years?) I was in need of so many cold showers. How much I dislike cold water!! Brrr.... I'd rather have some prickly games under hot water with.... Umm, yeah, that's it. An old maid needs a sexual therapist!

Loved the pics,Tress. Your efforts never fail to **give rise** to lots of fun stuff....

Mmm . .Dorine - the letter writing scene yes . . very very nice . . I love that link you posted . . . esp. the advice for the men: Do not look at a woman's suprasternal notch. Avert your eyes. If this is awkward, look at her nostrils. Don't look into her eyes, either; this is almost as perilous as looking at the notch.

Thank you Tress. The RO scenes in P&P have been legendary. One of the best is when Mr Darcy is in London walking down the alley looking for Mrs. Young. (Tress)Crispin and Colin could look each other in the face without cracking up while in their costumes. I can't imagine it escaped their notice.... Escaped their notice? One of the tabs had an article that spoke how they purposely *enhanced* the frontal. You remember that one boss? (sorry, I think this should be on Darcy Drool)

)Evelyn) Escaped their notice? One of the tabs had an article that spoke how they purposely *enhanced* the frontal. You mean, the early Christmas stocking stuffers? *snort*

(Evelyn) One of the best is when Mr Darcy is in London walking down the alley looking for Mrs. Young. Oohhhh...I think I'm Darcy drooling now, but I read somewhere (and it may have been CF doing the talking) about the 'underwear' that was not worn back then...how men would take their long shirts and wrap them under them like a nappy...so how much is ODB and how much is his shirt (meaning did he wear the costume as it was intended or did he go for modern comforts)? I like to think it's all him as that is a great scene...loads of good 'full frontals' walking the streets of London (and to think Mrs. Young was trying to shut him out...silly woman...let that man in!) ;-)

Darcy is IT! IMNSHO. ;-D (Mari), And what would you do if you lived in Ewan McGregor's house?;-) ;-) Reproduce? ;-)

(Tress)but she didn't even blush when she saw her intended in his wedding outfit ?. Of course not, by the time they shot that scene she had seen the real RO's in RL. OH gawd. I hate when we get on this topic. I can never figure out if it's hot flashes or night sweats;-) Also, I pledge my allegiance to any and all groups dedicated to RO's. (Karen)Repeat ticket-buying for that one would have to eclipse Linda's record for WAGW I'm still in bankruptcy;-)But, honestly can you imagine how many tickets I'd buy for that? Mind boggling.

(Mari), And what would you do if you lived in Ewan McGregor's house?;-) ;-) (Moon)Reproduce? ;-) ROFLOL.

OK, I 'fess up...I don't know what 'RO' stands for. Would somebody kindly e-mail and enlighten me? Thanks.

(lesliep)OK, I 'fess up...I don't know what 'RO' stands for. Reproductive Organ.:))

Refer to post 725.

Of course! RO stands for ________ _______. (Hanging head in shame). So nice to be back in the groove. Thanks, ladies.

(Leslie)(Hanging head in shame). No, don't. That's why this is a survey course, a learning experience;-)

Thanks for your RO fest everyone! (Linda) I can never out if its hot flashes or night sweats ;-) ROTFL.... you are not alone! (Evelyn) .....looking for Mrs Young stop it Evelyn! I even dragged my poor mother around that location in the pouring rain....... come to think of it .... next time you are in England:-)

I wanted to post this a long time ago, but wanted to test it before I said anything: if anybody missed Colin's SNL appearance and would like it on a DVD email me to order a copy. It's going to be a transfer from a tape to a no-region DVD that can be played on any regular DVD player. I tested it with my German friends, so the DVD works in Europe. I don't know what other systems are anywhere else, but the DVD is OK for region 1 and 2 for sure. Anyone interested please contact me for details at zgiczi@sympatico.ca

Cute article about moms and movies: "The English Patient." This was the movie in which my mother and I bonded over that most British of actors, Colin Firth. Firth played Kristin Scott-Thomas' husband. He calls her "Ducky," and she cheats on him with that cold, dislikable Ralph Fiennes. Halfway through the film, I turned to my mom and whispered: "I like the husband!" And my mother whispered back, fervently: "SO DO I!!!" Since then we have sought out Colin Firth films, including ... "Shakespeare in Love." "I like Tom Stoppard. I've seen him interviewed," my mother says. This movie doesn't get a perfect rating - far from it - because you've got Gwyneth Paltrow jumping readily into bed with Joseph Fiennes, and face it, mothers were placed on earth to keep their daughters, even when their 20s are far behind them, away from this kind of thing. But the movie's cleverness made up for its faults. (My mom's favorite joke: when Shakespeare, discussing his wife, Anne Hathaway, says: "She has a cottage.") So did Colin Firth - who, by the way, again played the unwanted husband. "Girl with a Pearl Earring." My mother likes the paintings of Jan Vermeer for their lovely, sunlit domesticity. Plus, my mom and I both look like people out of his paintings. Plus, in this gentle, beautiful, sex- and swear-word-free movie, Vermeer is played by Colin Firth. (See "The English Patient.") http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20040507/1045876.asp

Thanks, Tress. "I like the husband!" And my mother whispered back, fervently: "SO DO I!!!" Since then we have sought out Colin Firth films, including ... Wonder if they'll continue to bond with NMP;-)I must say my mother loves WAGW, GWAPE, P&P. etc. However, there are just some CF films that I would definitely not use as Mother/daughter bonding material;-)

(Linda)However, there are just some CF films that I would definitely not use as Mother/daughter bonding material;-) Unless, of course, you are the mother and your thoughtful daughter *scores* them for you;-)) Ahhh, I'm a lucky woman:-)

(beedee)Unless, of course, you are the mother and your thoughtful daughter *scores* them for you;-)) Ahhh, I'm a lucky woman :-) *giggle* and i keep trying, don't i? ;)

Oh! How about an ODB version of "Where's Waldo?" (special thanks to amandabynesnow.com) And this is an interesting capture! Great expression! LOL!!

Crikey...hope I'm left of center now...sorry!!

Ok, gotta make 'em harder than that. Where's my John Madden pen to point him out. ;-) That is a funny expression, LOL.

LOL! She has his eyes. ;-)

Ok, here's an easy one just in cases Dorine can't find her John Madden pen;-)

LOL, I see him right off, but where's whatsername? ;-)

(Dorine)LOL, I see him right off, but where's whatsername? ;-) I believe she's sitting on RC's left. Almost looks like she's sitting on his lap.

OOPS, that was me. Hopefully closing tags

How is this to be borne!!??? Colin is getting beaten by Samuel West. Can't have that, no, no, no! Go about half way down the page...to "The Big Debate" (the 'Can You Help Kevin With his Casting?' bit) and vote for ODB...he's slippin' in the poll! Okay, I know these things don't mean much, but I hate to see him looooooose! http://www.whatsonstage.com/dl/page.php

How is this to be borne!!??? Colin is getting beaten by Samuel West. Can't have that, no, no, no! Waddaya mean being beaten....I just voted and he's ahead 64% vs. Sam West's 28%. Sam West is a great young stage actor, (his "Hamlet" for the RSC sent Colin running!) but this is not the role for him.

(Evelyn)I just voted and he's ahead 64% vs. Sam West's 28%. Must have been the fruits of Tress's call to action...

(Evelyn) but this is not the role for him. Actually, I can't picture Colin in it either. Colin's much more the CK Dexter Haven role than Kevin Spacey would ever be.

(Karen) Actually, I can't picture Colin in it either. Neither can I, but voted anyway. Twice. Shame on me. ;-)

(Karen) Actually, I can't picture Colin in it either. I can. He can do Jimmy Stewart same as he does Hugh-lite; a little stammer here...a little stammer there.

Thanks, Tress...ODB is still at 63%. (Ildi)Twice. Shame on me. ;-) LOL, and me!

Okay...this weekend I again listened to Carlo Franci's 'Music for an Albatross'. Can I just ask "why???" I love ODB's voice, but this music (to me) is like fingernails on a chalkboard. Does anyone out there know how Colin got involved in this project and ...well...why?? I only have that piece, so don't know if they other parts of the CD as just as 'special'. Maybe I just don't get it (would not be the first time LOL!)?? BTW, Colin sounds just lovely...wish I could just bag the music wailing behind him...

What is this? I've never heard of it. Please tell more! ;-)

(Shoshana) What is this? I've never heard of it. Please tell more! ;-) Don't get too excited....it is a CD (hard to find) of Carlo Franci's music. One 'tune' called "Music for an Albatross" has ODB speaking lines from Moby Dick. He doesn't speak for too long, but the music is agonizing (IMO of course). It's "classical techno" or something...I'm still trying to figure it all out.

(Tress)ODB speaking lines from Moby Dick Sounds like reading the phone book would be easier on the ears, no?;-)

(Linda) Sounds like reading the phone book would be easier on the ears, no?;-) I dunno....he does get to say "wondrous flutterings and throbbings shook it" in his reading (which causes all sorts of naughty thoughts...). That may not be mentioned in a phone book...possibly the Yellow Pages! ;-D

(Linda) Sounds like reading the phone book would be easier on the ears, no?;-) Talk about easy on the ears...does anyone remember those two beautiful passages in the audio play, TOBTL?? There's nothing like hearing it first hand, but just picture him uttering the following lines in that desperate, breathy tone he does so well.... First, when he's remembering his true love that was lost forever.. I dreamt I was in love again with the one before the last. And smiled to greet the pleasant pain of that innocent young past. But I dreamt to feel how sharp had been the pain when it did live. How the faded dreams of 1910 were hell in 19-5 Better oblivion hide dead true love. Better the night unfold. That men to eek the praise of new loves should lie about the old. Oh bitter thoughts I had in plenty, but here�s the worst of it. I should forget in 1920 you ever hurt a bit. I have years and years and years! Do you hear me stars? I will live to be 100 and bore dozens of grandchildren with my stories! But I wronged a woman called Catherine Cox Forgive me, forgive me�.forgive me, Carr. And then when facing his imminent demise on a foreign battlefield... If I should die think only this of me. That there�s some corner of a foreign field that is forever England. There shall be in that rich earth a richer dust concealed. A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware. Gave once her flowers to love, her ways to roam. A body of England�s breathing English air washed by the rivers blessed by sons of home. And this, this heart all evil shed away. A pulse in the eternal mind no less. Give somewhere back the thoughts by England given. Her sight and sounds, dreams happy as her day, and laughter learned to friends. And gentleness, and hearts at peace under an English heaven. Those of you that found 'Poetry 101' a drag back in school might want to give this one a try. It's fully guaranteed to lend new appreciation to the art form.

(Leslie)Talk about easy on the ears...does anyone remember those two beautiful passages in the audio play, TOBTL?? There's nothing like hearing it first hand, but just picture him uttering the following lines in that desperate, breathy tone he does so well.... Oh, you are so right! I'm packing it right now so I can take it to work and listen again. Makes my day smoother to listen to that voice:-)

Hmmm, seems to me I have heard a similar story in the past...(my note to the author... ditch Eric honey...;-)) For the Star-gazers... Just a sidenote for those of you who may care what famous celebrities I've been spotting around here (famous celebrity...that's a little redundant, isn't it). A few weeks ago a friend and I were walking through Soho, when we wandered into the very posh district. Tiffany's, Dolce, Armani -- you name it. As we were walking a car pulled up by the sidewalk ahead of us and out stepped Kate Moss. Neither of us said anything, as we weren't exactly sure what to say, and she went on her way into the jewelry shop her car had pulled up at. Talk about weird. My other story, however, is slightly more exciting. As most of you know, I'm taking a theatre course here in London, for which we go to a play every Monday night. Last night's play was at the "Young Vic" theatre in Southwark and was called "Some Voices." It was a good production, especially compared with the last two I've seen....eeehg. Anyway, as we were standing waiting for the doors to open, my friend Valerie got a wide-eyed "oh my gosh!" expression on her face. She looks at me from the other side of the crowd and points [subtilely], mouthing "THERE'S COLIN FIRTH!!!" (movie actor, including "Bridget Jones Diary," "Love Actually," "What a Girl Wants," and "Pride and Prejudice" [Mrs. Biechler it's Mr. Darcy!! =) ] ) I looked but he had disappeared from my sightline. Sure enough, a couple seconds later he walks past me headed for the men's bathroom. I thought about standing outside an waiting for him to come back so I could corner him to say hello, but then I thought better of it. =) "Act English" our theatre instructor said to us -- she had been standing right there and saw our "Iowan" looks of amazement. Once the doors opened, he entered the theatre, took his seat, and spent most of the performance unbothered, besides one girl on our program stopping to say "I love your work" and one random stalker/fan asking for an autograph. I, however, did make eye contact with him at the end of the play. We were both standing to leave, and as I looked around the room he was doing the same and our eyes met. While I wouldn't give Eric up for Mr. Firth, it WAS my latest brush with one of the countless British celebrities here in London. =) http://www.centralmania.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/04/07/4074598481cdd

I looked but he had disappeared from my sightline. Sure enough, a couple seconds later he walks past me headed for the men's bathroom... Does anyone else see a pattern here;-)) Thanks for taking the time Maria! You must be sooooo very busy!

LOL, that was my first thought, too.

What a rush, Maria. I loved reading the account your sighting. Random direct eye contact?? Better than any autograph IMO. "Act English" our theatre instructor said to us LOL. Reminds me of Lady Dashwood when she talked about how they only hug their dogs and horses.

Maria, can your clarify? Were you the lucky sighter, or were you re-posting the email from the back-packer, Carissa?

If you click on the link she gave, you'll see who's it is.

Thanks Maria!! Jammy Iowan gits! LOL! (Bee) Does anyone else see a pattern here;-)) (Dorine) LOL, that was my first thought, too. LOL...and my first thought....He is seen going into and out of the loo more than anything else it seems! Maybe Carol's sighter friend is his urologist! ;-)

Tress)Maybe Carol's sighter friend is his urologist! ;-)

Let me try that again Tress!

Thanks, Maria! It looks like Colin might have been doing a little character research. TheatreguideLondon Some Voices Young Vic Theatre Studio, Spring 2004 Joe Penhall's play won awards when it was first done a decade ago, so critics and audiences must have seen something in it. But you couldn't guess what from this shapeless, lacklustre revival. As directed without rhythm or focus by Matthew Dunster, Some Voices comes across as another case of that odd syndrome, the idea for a play masquerading as the play itself. What happens to mental patients released into the community too soon, Penhall asked himself. Well, we know what happens - too many of then sadly end up on the streets, unable to cope. But Penhall sees other possibilities, and just presents them in case-study form. His central character is a young schizophrenic judged to be able to function and released into the custody of his well-meaning but ill-equipped brother. In no particular order, the boy stops taking his medications, risks relapse when he joins up with an old buddy from the hospital, alternately tries to connect with his brother and pushes him away, meets and falls for a girl with a violent boyfriend, and eventually winds up back in the hospital. Yes, so? you find yourself asking again and again. Each of these things could happen to someone in that position, but so could a lot of other things, and the play seems to have no reason to be showing us these events, in this order. Why does the brother run a restaurant? Why is the girl pregnant? Why does the otherwise totally raving second patient get some of the most sensible lines in the play? Why does the play end with a cooking lesson? Why does Anna Fleischle's unit set, a wall of panels that open in unending permutations and combinations to create different settings, constantly threaten to be cleverer than anything going on in front of it? Much of the fault must lie with the director, who has his cast sleepwalking through the play. Tom Brooke plays the patient as so lost in himself that he rarely makes eye contact with anyone, rather staring through them in a kind of vaguely horrified wonder - what I always think of as the Jeremy Irons stare, the one he employed throughout Brideshead Revisited and half his other roles. But no one else in the cast makes much eye contact or relates to anyone else either. The general effect is of an early rehearsal, in which everyone has their lines down but haven't begun to think about character or relationships. Now, I'll give audiences of 1995 enough credit to assume that there must have seemed some unity, purpose and point to this play then, but this time around it all seems random. There's no apparent structure there. There's no real play there. As Gertrude Stein said of Oakland, there's no there there. Gerald Berkowitz

Have I ever mentioned how much I adore Gertrude Stein?

(Moon) It looks like Colin might have been doing a little character research. "What happens to mental patients released into the community too soon"... Either that or he's getting ready to take up another cause.

He should watch Spider then, too. ;-)

(Maria)"What happens to mental patients released into the community too soon"... (Moon)Either that or he's getting ready to take up another cause. Ooooh... I know of several Mental Health Advocacy programs that could use an new spokesman!

Curious . .since it was mentioned on the CF news topic . . What are your top fav 5 pieces of our darling's work??? 1.)Tumbledown 2.)Fever Pitch 3.)Donovan Quick 4.)Pride & Prejudice 5.)A Month In the Country

Erp meant to say those were my top 5;)

I'll have to think about it and get back to you. My top five change...like every other week... Okay...I can give them in no particular order (for this week): Valmont Pride and Prejudice Tumbledown Lost Empires A Month in the Country I must be in a somber mood as I can usually fit in at least one comedy...like SIL or BJD or FP (which make it to the rotation of top five fairly often). Also love DQ and A0 enough that they often shows up in top slots.

Hmmm... I've been thinking about this a bunch recently, actually. In no particular order: Lost Empires, Tumbledown, Fever Pitch, Pride & Prejudice, and Hour of the Pig. That was incredibly difficult. Don't hold me to it. ;-)

I'll play but like Shosh it a hard one to call so I vacilate chronically 1!!! with a bullet)P&P 2,3,4,5: Depending on my mood they are alphabetically AMITC FP T V And GWAPE only comes in 6th because I wish there was more of him� Now that Shosh has mentioned BJD I want to put that in but I already went to 6:-) This list is based on acting and, of course, does not account for my guilty pleasures which are legion;-)

I have two lists. Well you asked...and you thought I only give Ada a hard time;-) Top 5 for performance-no special order: AZ AMITC Tumbledown LE Conspiracy Top 5 for several reasons--I don't think I have to elaborate. Just look at my list- P&P BJD SLOW WAGW DQ and my list would be incomplete if I didn't add my all time fav, FP and, yes, I have to include HS in this category for the h-o-t factor;-)

(Leenda)and my list would be incomplete if I didn't add my all time fav, FP and, yes, I have to include HS in this category for the h-o-t factor;-) A girl after my own heart. I can't help lovin that poor Colin.

(Linda)..for the h-o-t factor;-) Aw shucks...I'd have to add FF to the hot list. I'm still reeling from my first viewing a few months ago. Can't seem to forget that well placed bead of sweat running down his face. And I do have a new appreciation for containers of Tropicana ever since I saw him peg her up against the refrigerator case.

I can't argue with any of the choices you ladies have made (other than I haven't seen Tumbledown yet). Here are mine, in no particular order: Valmont - he is so deliciously, dangerously charming P&P - he is a man without fault BJD - where it all began for me FP - who can resist a man who says he understands and then immediately admits he hasn't got a clue? WAGW - guilty pleasure, need I say more?

1.P&P -the best, always 2.GWAPE -so beautiful 3.BJD -another Darcy 4.FP -so cute 5.Valmont -young passion

1. P&P 2. P&P 3. P&P 4. P&P 5. P&P

(Evelyn - who else?) 1. P&P 2. P&P 3. P&P 4. P&P 5. P&P Now why didn't I think of that;-) Wish I'd said it

With L'dum being on TV, thought I'd reprint Mari's quiz after I'd seen it for the first time. 1. This movie is better than: a) The Sex Monster b) SLOW c) Nostromo d) a poke in the eye 2. Mike Binder will never be confused with: a) Mike Leigh b) Mike Nichols c) Mike Elangelo (second cousin thrice removed of Ivan Tobeitalian) d) all of the above 3. Which hero of Mike Binder's once said, "There are worse things than death--ever spent an evening with an insurance salesman?" a) Woody Allen b) Steve Allen c) Gracie Allen d) Alan Parsons 4) Fine. We'll make it easy: a) Top 1/3 b) Middle 1/3 c) Bottom 1/3 my answers were: a, d, left blank, c. Those are in no particular order. ;-) (I think question 1 was rather vague.)

Gasp! That photo change... Took my breath. Too quick a change after looking at that t-shirt for so long;-))

LOved Mari's quiz. It's a classic. (Evelyn) 1. P&P 2. P&P 3. P&P 4. P&P 5. P&P Indeed! :-D

Got my region 2 GWAPE this morning, oh what a treat! I'm happy and incensed at the same time. I will never understand why LG decided to mistreat this DVD as it did. The UK version is a beautiful compliment to this gorgeous movie. Loved the deleted scenes, but I fully agree with leaving them out. Yes, the veggie scene too. I spent a considerable amount of time in the past carping about why it was left out, but seeing the scene I'm glad it never made it into the movie. It just didn't work for me the way it was done. There were many drool worthy moments in the "I didn't ask for blue" segment, ah, did Colin ever look AFG? But the way he said "put it away" made him sound arrogant, and for me it clashed with his character's personality. It just sounded very odd. I only had time to listen to the director/producer commentary, but it contained lots of interesting info, some about Colin: in the scene where Catharina picked up the spatula to attack the painting Colin almost had his eye poked out. They changed camera position, and the choreography of the "fight" got forgotten, and the spatula barely missed his eye, Colin moved away just in time, but still got a bit injured. He was bleeding a little, got a scratch I guess. I laughed when they talked about hurting his "expensive" face. Another interesting bit: when they shot the scene of Griet crying at his door, Colin was supposed to fly home because his wife was having a baby, but Scarlett asked him to be there, so she'd know he is in there, so he cancelled his flight and remained until the scene was shot. Loved the "Making of" featurette too, the way Colin said "beetle shit" made me laugh out loud. I'm looking forward to listening to the writers' commentary too, I bet it will be interesting.

Did anybody from the UK see L'Dum on Tuesday? It was my first time. So glad I did not waste time nor money seeing it earlier :-( Is MB the poor and intellectually challenged man's Woody Allen? He certainly seemed to be modelling himself on WA. This was definitely the worst CF film I have seen. Its pretensions were so obvious. Even worse than SLOW...

Halfway through the tape, and not hating it totally. Nonetheless, I do agree about the ridiculous WA impersonations. However, if I try to ignore the knowledge that MB wrote this as a vehicle for himself (and to get some action?), it's not the most preposterous thing I've ever seen - yet.

it's not the most preposterous thing I've ever seen - yet Is that firthwise or generally?

Is that firthwise or generally? Generally - I haven't seen many CF turkeys, but that may be because I'm not very discriminating. I even found quite a bit to like in SLOW and HS.

(Mark)I even found quite a bit to like in SLOW and HS. Oooo, you get cuter all the time;-))

(Mark)it's not the most preposterous thing I've ever seen - yet. Wait til you get to the "breaking the wind" part... Or Fiona and Allen on the way home from the shrink talking about "thinking with his pennis."

(Ildi) Loved the deleted scenes, but I fully agree with leaving them out. Yes, the veggie scene too. I spent a considerable amount of time in the past carping about why it was left out, but seeing the scene I'm glad it never made it into the movie. It just didn't work for me the way it was done. Definitely agree about the veggie scene; it was a letdown. But I wouldn't have minded the other two. When I have more time, I want to listen to PW commentary on the whole movie, as well as the deleted scenes. Yippeeeeeee!! Finally, hearing some British comments on L'dum. BTW, it was called L'dum, wasn't it even though the DVD was already released everywhere as Four Play? (Allison) This was definitely the worst CF film I have seen. Its pretensions were so obvious. Even worse than SLOW... Where is it relative to HS or didn't you see that one? These are two movies I cannot bear to watch, unlike SLOW, which I've stated before I find has a certain charm to it. Maybe if I turn the sound off completely for those two, I might be able to watch them. (Mark) Halfway through the tape, and not hating it totally. Now, there's an endorsement if I've ever read one. LOL! But you were hating it somewhat?

(Mark)I even found quite a bit to like in SLOW and HS. Yes, have to admit I didn't mind either of these movies either (especially in comparison to L'dum). (Allison)This was definitely the worst CF film I have seen I fully and most heartly agree! L'dum did absolutely nothing for me. If it had had any shred of a story line and made some type of sense I might think otherwise... and what was with those unprovoked fight scenes???? Yeech!!

(Karen re deleted scenes)But I wouldn't have minded the other two.. Oh I much agree! I'm especially fond of the *I'll paint you as I saw you* scene. Little Bee and I both thought he was nuts to leave it out ....but then as extras they sure did justify the purchase of the new equipment;-))

Why didn't Webber just edit those few scenes to the film directly for the DVD? That's what Jackson did with the LOTR DVDs. In the case of GWAPE where there was so much footage, didn't the editor say her first cut was about 200 minutes? In the case of films made from known books, I think the director should put the DVD out with the scenes as part of the film. Give the fan a little special treatment. (Mark), However, if I try to ignore the knowledge that MB wrote this as a vehicle for himself (and to get some action?), it's not the most preposterous thing I've ever seen - yet. He's happily married with kids, but anything is possible. ;-)

(Moon) Why didn't Webber just edit those few scenes to the film directly for the DVD? Each of the deleted scenes can be viewed with PW's commentary too. I would imagine he explains why he left them out. In the case of films made from known books, I think the director should put the DVD out with the scenes as part of the film. I disagree. If he had to cut the film only because of studio pressure, I can understand putting out a "director's cut." But making a film solely to mirror a book, when it doesn't work in the director's mind, doesn't make sense to me.

(Karen) BTW, it was called L'dum, wasn't it even though the DVD was already released everywhere as Four Play? Yes (Karen) Where is it relative to HS or didn't you see that one? Yes I did and although it was weak I wasn't embarrassed by it... But maybe that was because he was so AFBG in HS that I found it hard to breath. Perhaps not enough oxygen got to my brain. ;-)

(Moon) Why didn't Webber just edit those few scenes to the film directly for the DVD? (Karen)Each of the deleted scenes can be viewed with PW's commentary too. I would imagine he explains why he left them out. There is commentary with the deleted scenes and he is clear (IMO) on the (his)process. I just am not sure about the last two w/ODB. I think that they would have been lovely in the finished product and *I think that there would not be many [here} who would not approve.*;-)) There is also very interesting footage in the deleted scene that were then recycled into other scenes. I really enjoyed the director's commentary. Haven't had time for writer's part yet.

bollucks!

Just gotta say that I love love love that first shot of ODB's face on the Moor right after the shot of the running kid, yummmmm. See, I'm being good;-)

Have now watched all of L�dum. And have risked taking the final �b� off. Overall, my main charge against the film is that it is inconsequential. The last scene, where MB meets the new actress, suggests like the rest that for some people life is about relationships that wax and wane, and end. Which is all a bit bleak, and a bit like the �message� of his series MOTMM? That said, there were some quite funny bits: I liked the desperate room-changing at the B&B, Stephen Fry�s discomfiture, even MH�s demands for, and acting in, her death-scene. But I thought the jokes undermined the dramatic effort, and the drama undermined the jokes. Definitely the film would have been a box-office stinker, at least in this country: there is no potential audience. But it�s quite acceptable TV fare. The only �filmic� things about it were the scenery (great comment, Karen), which was fun for me, as it�s all where I live, and the Woody Allen patter � which I found so imitative as to be ridiculous. But maybe I�m misunderstanding and lots of US people talk like that (�You don�t want to have this conversation? You don�t want to HAVE this conversation? What, do you disagree with my theories? Do you have your own theories about sex? Yadda, yadda ��) Laura: ... and what was with those unprovoked fight scenes???? Yeech!! I also thought the fight scenes were preposterously unrealistic; anyone acting like that would be under court orders or therapy already, even if � especially if � they only beat up people who worked for them. However, if I try to ignore the knowledge that MB wrote this as a vehicle for himself (and to get some action?), it's not the most preposterous thing I've ever seen - yet. Moon: He's happily married with kids, but anything is possible. ;-) And I dare say he�s kind to animals, but I�d be interested to hear his wife justify the scene where MH is bouncing up and down on him naked � to me this was definitionally gratuitous. (And hey, this married man didn�t mind watching � but that�s exactly my point!) Halfway through the tape, and not hating it totally. Now, there's an endorsement if I've ever read one. LOL! But you were hating it somewhat? I wouldn�t normally have thought about the film after watching it, and would always have found the Woody Allen shtick and the fight scenes stupid, but I would also have got some laughs and accepted that it was quite watchable. Sorry if I have gone on for too long about opinions fairly fleetingly held.

You haven't gone on too long at all, Mark. Nice to hear your opinion, along with the others who have just seen it. I can't remember if you saw both SLOW and HS, also. I'm curious as to your opinion of L'dum vs. HS and SLOW.

I have actually seen all three. For me, SLOW makes more sense as it's a real story; it goes somewhere, and I found it believable. In that way, L'd makes no sense as it's a series of comedic incidents woven around a ridiculous "story"; the plot devices are ham-fistedly implausible, and it just doesn't hang together. HS is somewhere in the middle; one or two silly plot points spoil it badly but it ends up as a sort of situational romance with a happy ending. The comedy is much funnier in L'd because that's what it's about; though SLOW has its moments, particularly during the touching bonding between Matthew & Sami - HS's comic stuff largely misfires (apart from MD's smoking and the Whining Whores gag). In terms of the interpretation, I thought HS had a pretty weak cast not doing much with a script that had potential (I might exempt CF & MD); L'd had largely quite a good cast making a decent fist of a disjointed script; and SLOW had a pretty average script that was performed as well as it could have been. Of course, as a dumb movie-going dude, I also appreciated the scenery (both natural and feminine) in HS and L'd. But I'm not really versed enough to appreciate differences in directing or editing etc.

(Mark) For me, SLOW makes more sense as it's a real story; it goes somewhere, and I found it believable. In that way, L'd makes no sense as it's a series of comedic incidents woven around a ridiculous "story"; the plot devices are ham-fistedly implausible, and it just doesn't hang together. HS is somewhere in the middle; one or two silly plot points spoil it badly but it ends up as a sort of situational romance with a happy ending. Uh huh, uh huh. Agreeing, until... The comedy is much funnier in L'd About the only time I cracked a smile is when Colin punched out MB. However, I don't consider SLOW a true comedy, so it wouldn't be an appropriate comparison. Hard to say what HS was supposed to be. ;-) Thanks Mark for the elaboration. As for what kind of person MB's wife might be. How about highly tolerant? How would any of you like to be in her shoes (Manolo's probably but...), married to a man with that image? Of course, it may all be image, but it makes my skin crawl.

Woody Allen has a worse image, IMO, and that never stopped him from getting intelligent women.

Thanks Mark! It's nice to get a man's perspective on this film. And you didn't go on too long...nevah! (Mark) But maybe I�m misunderstanding and lots of US people talk like that (�You don�t want to have this conversation? You don�t want to HAVE this conversation? What, do you disagree with my theories? Do you have your own theories about sex? Yadda, yadda ��) LOL...no one I know! You are right Mark, about the Woody Allen banter. A v. v. poor imitation if ever there was one (and I can grow weary of Woody, at times, on a good day, so this just didn't work well for me) Add the ugly (sorry Kimberly) brown suit, MB and MH into the mix and I can't watch it for long. Did think Stephen Fry was amusing too though...the looks on his face (and even Colin's) while Fiona goes on and on...and then later with just the two of them (insipid dialogue (but I'm queen of that myself), but the looks are pretty priceless).

(Moon) Woody Allen has a worse image, IMO, and that never stopped him from getting intelligent women. And children...(ooohhh...that was bad!) ;-)

(Tress)Did think Stephen Fry was amusing too though...the looks on his face (and even Colin's) while Fiona goes on and on I thought it especially funny because SF was a labor mediation type therapist and very much out of his league in the marriage dept--and just did it because he was Allen's friend or a friend of a friend.

A fun moment last evening at the Hollywood Video store. Was rummaging through the pre-viewed racks looking for some specific DVDs (3 for $25) and ran across Four Play! LOL'd and got some glances but passed on the purchase;-)) How'd that get there?

Saw GWAPE last night at local Art Museum showing, with good friend whose been lurking on Drool since it was AKA "The Pond"!! "People's Choice" [by votes]winner! Yeah! http://www.okcartmuseum.com/programs_film_cal.htm Hey, who said Crime Doesn't Pay;-)) Packed house:-))[I'm so used to counting only few heads for CF films!] But some people still confused with holes and inconsistencies in the film. The comments also noted that they wished it had been a Vermeer film; showing more of his art work. This was an art film /art appreciation not multi-plex crowd. I'm still amazed that it was received with such success. Must have been the acting;-)))

I like the schedule for July, Evelyn. This one made me think of Someone to Love ;-D : Can you find sexy Rexy? ;-)

(Moon)I like the schedule for July, Evelyn I like the whole schedule. Very eclectic.

OMG! Godzilla on the big screen?? I'd be so there! ;-) I like the whole schedule too, Bee. Would love to see Casablanca larger than life again. I'd pass on Badaaassssssss....got crap reviews at Sundance.

(Beedee) Was rummaging through the pre-viewed racks looking for some specific DVDs (3 for $25) You mean they'd pay you $25 go take three of them off their hands? ;-) This one made me think of Someone to Love ;-D : Can you find sexy Rexy? ;-) LOL!

(Moon)This one made me think of Someone to Love ;-D : Can you find sexy Rexy? ;-) LOL, every one of them has long, lean legs,...like trying to find a needle in a haystack;-)

Am watching ATA on cable for about the umpteenth time this week and have finally figured out why ODB's accent is so disconcerting to me. It sounds as if he has a cold...as if he's stuffed up. That...and he has very hard "R"s. When he says 'farm', it makes me giggle. Off to go finish watching Jess make a mess of things (okay, they were a mess before he got there, but he didn't help matters much, did he??)....

Apparently, the drummer in this band (Peter Firth) is Colin's cousin. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/theclimb.htm http://www.alternativedevon.co.uk/jamroom/bands/9/music.php

Love this! Thanks, Karen. That front guy in the photo has to be a Firth. Dimples must be a very strong genetic trait. I'm guessing they'll have a lot new members added to their mailing list today, LOL.

Oh! It looks like the one in front is the drummer (Peter) from the other pics...He's adorable...thanks Karen!

(Tress)"have finally figured out why ODB's accent is so disconcerting to me. It sounds as if he has a cold...as if he's stuffed up." Being a "Yankee" I found his accent endearing. Although, it did have a bit of an Irish tinge to it at times. I need to get my hands on a sound bite of him doing his "gangster" accent!!

Kimberly has found a fascinating little interview with Colin from last November from UK Esquire. I've put it up here: http://www.firth.com/articles/03esquire_nov.html

Interesting find. Thanks Kimberly

Great find, Kim. Thanks. Where's that one been hiding? (CF)Yesterday I said to my wife it would be like putting on yesterday�s underpants. Yuk!! LOL

Thanks Kim and Karen, ESQ: Given your ability to do light and dark so well, it�s surprising you�re not a huge Hollywood star. What is it with this question? He must be soooo tired of it cause I am:-(

(leslie)Where's that one been hiding? Another pure stroke of luck . . .someone sitting near me at my temp job noticed the various pics of CF in my cube and the webshots screensaver I had of him . .just came and gave me a copy of the article . . (Bee)What is it with this question? That and "Is Mr. Darcy an albatross for you?" type questions . .Enough already.

V. interesting article (that I can't copy from....grrr!). Thanks, Kimberly! Romantic comedies....the ones for the dough. Reported dead, not once....but twice!! Poor thing! Have to admit was LOL at the absurdity of it.

Thank you Kimberly!! I like this bit: Everyone I knew was saying I couldn�t possibly do that role. I was bombarded with people saying: �You can�t do all that smouldering, it�s not you at all. You�re not sexy enough, you�re not straightforward enough.� So he's one of those guys that if you tell him he can't do it, he'll do it to spite you and show you he can...quite spunky, he is (did I just sound like Yoda??).

Thanks for the article, Kimberly, I very much enjoyed it. I had to LOL a few times though when it seemed that he started giving a "no" answer to some questions that turned into a "yes" at the end. Either he was trying to confuse ;-) or I shouldn't read stuff at 1:30 in the morning.

(Tress)So he's one of those guys that if you tell him he can't do it, he'll do it to spite you and show you he can...quite spunky, he is Colin, you can't do sex scenes, you can't handle taking your clothes off, you're just not sexy enough. Towel scenes, naked behinds and sticking your f---ing tongue down someone's f---ing throat are out of the question. ...and, yes you did sound like Yoda;-)

(Linda)Colin, you can't do sex scenes, you can't handle taking your clothes off, .... Good start Linda! Keep it up!

LOL, Linda. I'm still trying to rid my brain of the underpants analogy. Maybe that's why Colin Ware stopped wearing them. ;-)

(Tress) quite spunky, he is (did I just sound like Yoda??). Sound like him you did ;-) (Linda) Colin, you can't do sex scenes, you can't handle taking your clothes off...sticking your f---ing tongue down someone's f---ing throat are out of the question You go girl! I double dare ya, Colin.

Oops, been away so long, forgot my manners. Sorry

Strong in you is The Force, Colin, take your clothes off and feel it you will! ;-)

OK - an older Fresh Air interview from November 14 2003 - during Love Actually http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml;jsessionid=QFMW0NNZDBWSZLA5AINSFEY?todayDate=current Type his name in the search in the bottom right corner. Karen - do you want a transcript?

oh poop . .really nothing new . .just a revamp of the 2001 interview . . - sigh . .never mind . . but nice to hear;)

I found a used VHS copy of "Relative Values" yesterday. I've been pretty lucky that way. It's the 3rd one I've found!! As usual, the jacket doesn't have any pics of ODB...AND they incorrectly listed him as the "playboy prince with a stiff upper lip" in the synopsis. It was great to see (and hear) him in it. I love to see him in farses. He seems to really enjoy letting himself go in them. And we get to see more of that that adorable grin of his :o)

(Yvette)And we get to see more of that that adorable grin of his :o) Congrats Yvette.You're right the grin (and dimples!) are all over that one. RV is a goodie. Love that scene in front of the Girl Guides the best. Wonder if he'll use Peter Marshwood as the springing board for Rex. The person who asks him that in November wins my copy of "Butterball";-)

Relative Values... ah yes, another of Colin's direct to cable classics. ;-) But seriously, he was adorably pouffy in that one. (Evelyn) Wonder if he'll use Peter Marshwood as the springing board for Rex. Rex is not light in the loafers, my dear. He's more the equal employment opportunity type. ;-)

Evelyn) Wonder if he'll use Peter Marshwood as the springing board for Rex. (Karen)Rex is not light in the loafers, my dear. He's more the equal employment opportunity type. ;-) LOL. Obviously Rex was AC/DC. Still....Colin might draw from Pete's major hormonal side;-)

(Evelyn) Still....Colin might draw from Pete's major hormonal side;-) But let's hope not his dress sense...LOL...didn't fancy the ascots or whatever those were... And Peter was still a bit 'light' and too 'giddy'. I'm hoping for a more Mark Darcy with a dark secret sort of thing (even Bridget had a moment of doubt when she saw young boy in Mark's bedroom with rabbit)...like that but edgier...and sans bunny.

(Tress)But let's hope not his dress sense...LOL...didn't fancy the ascots or whatever those were... LOL, I don't think ascots were in during the '70's. However, a chic decade it was not;-) (But Dean always looked good)and so did Vince. Plushy sweaters, blue suit, turtlenecks, tassled loafers. Vince was cool. (Tress)I'm hoping for a more Mark Darcy with a dark secret sort of thing Yes, that's the way I picture it, too. Don't forget a dash of HD for good measure;-)

(Linda) Yes, that's the way I picture it, too. Don't forget a dash of HD for good measure;-) and maybe perhaps a dash of Vermeer, with shorter hair, longer sideburns...who fancied both Griet and Peter? He'd grind with anyone...not just the saucy maid... ;-)

(Yvette)I love to see him in farses. I agree. I think he plays camp so well and we rarely get to see him do it. Some other great examples were Wessex in SIL, and just about all of the SNL stuff - particularly the skits that weren't aired like Jane Eyre, Gay Divorce Attorneys, and Douchebag *their word, not mine* of the Month. I've heard a number of actors comment that comedic roles are far more difficult to play than the weightier dramatic ones. A lot like we see with Lanny in WTTL, no? (Tress)I'm hoping for a more Mark Darcy with a dark secret sort of thing I agree. He's got to be v. cool and handsome, intelligent - oozing sophistication. Love the analogy of Bridget seeing Mark in the bedroom with the young boy. I can see it now.

(Leslie) I've heard a number of actors comment that comedic roles are far more difficult to play than the weightier dramatic ones. A lot like we see with Lanny in WTTL, no? Yes, but it doesn't matter to me. It's the dramatic roles that get the awards. Look at a great comedic actor like Jack Lemmon. He got his Oscars for the dramatic roles.

(Tress)I'm hoping for a more Mark Darcy with a dark secret sort of thing AC/DC Darcy? Perish the thought! ;-)

Ah, Lisa! When can we expect to read Helen's version of what *should* have happened at Disneyland?

Don't tempt me! ;-)

(Karen)It's the dramatic roles that get the awards. Look at a great comedic actor like Jack Lemmon. He got his Oscars for the dramatic roles. I don't disagree and look forward to far more of them for ODB. But I still appreciate all that goes into delivering a good comedic performance.

(Tress)I'm hoping for a more Mark Darcy with a dark secret sort of thing (lisa)AC/DC Darcy? Perish the thought! ;-) Aong with: Suicidal,co-dependent,insecure.... Tell'em , Lisa. Such blasphemy ;-) I don't really like Vince in the book. Not even a blue suit could tempt me to that type. So I hope he plays it differently:-D

Did you like him at all up to the second Disneyland trip? I could see someone not liking him after that, but up to that point, I found him....typical?....for someone in that profession. I find people like that rather enigmatic in so much as it amazes me they can get away with what they do....with the "little people" smiling when they get taken advantage of by people like that. All that matters is they had their brush with fame and celebrity.

Oops! Didn't see what board we were on...guess I shoulda moved it over.

(Dorine)I found him....typical?....for someone in that profession. I find people like that rather enigmatic in so much as it amazes me they can get away with what they do....with the "little people" smiling when they get taken advantage of by people like that. All that matters is they had their brush with fame and celebrity. ROTF.How do you spell t-r-a-s-h. I have a saying: "If they lived in town, I wouldn't have them for dinner";-)

Ok, I find it fascinating in a car wreck kinda way sometimes. ;-)

(Dorine) Ok, I find it fascinating in a car wreck kinda way sometimes. ;-) Me too...fascinating in a sort of 'Billy-Bob-Thorton-Angelina-Jolie' sort of way! ;-) (Evelyn) ROTF.How do you spell t-r-a-s-h. ROTFL...so what you are saying is if Mr. Springer had been around back then, Maureen, Reuben, Lanny and Vince would be throwing chairs at one another?? ;-) (Evelyn) "If they lived in town, I wouldn't have them for dinner";-) Oh! I would! If only to see said chairs potentially fly by!

(Evelyn)The person who asks him that in November wins my copy of "Butterball";-) What about September in Toronto?? Excuse the ingorance, but what's a "Butterball"? I just received my copy of SNL from Ildi. It was fun to watch, though he did look a little out of his element w/ live TV. Loved the gangster accent in the Sopranos skit!! And the line "It's every English actor's dream to play an American hero." Thanks Ildi...gotta go watch it again.

Okay, have found amusing site. This one deals with all those things I'm always blabbering on about...seems someone has made a collection of ODB (okay, and a few other men). Pics of hands, feet, specs and all wet! Check this out: http://handson.provocateuse.com/show.php/colin_firth

Great site, Tress. LOL. I'm particulary fond of the barefoot shots. Should we clue the website creator in on those yummy bare toes from the swings in WAGW? Can't believe that photo's not there. One question though...dare I ask what you were doing that caused you to happen upon this site??

(Leslie) ...dare I ask what you were doing that caused you to happen upon this site?? Instead of working, I googled ODB under 'images'. The lovely pic of Colin on the staircase came up and I clicked (cannot be helped...as one always just dreams of a site dedicated to nothing but toes to come up...but never suspects that one will...LOL)! Along with the swing pic, they are missing Earnest...er....Jack....and his toes...and there is a particular wet pic that is missing too...

(Tress)Along with the swing pic, they are missing Earnest...er....Jack....and his toes...and there is a particular wet pic that is missing too... Oh Gawd....I believe we know far too much than is healthy....

WOW!! Thanks Tress for the great site. Did anyone else click on all the "risque" wet men? Or am I the only naughty one? I especially liked ODB barefoot on the stairs and ,OMG, the black and white one in the bubble bath! That LOOK.... MMMMM MM MMMMMM

I can think of a few more wet pics of Colin that would spice up this site. I'm thinking The Advocate. I'm thinking Playmaker.

I've been through most of that site over time. Some yummy pics of all kinds of people. I was surprised they didn't have that B&W pic of ODB on the beach in barefeet that is one of my all time favorites.

A couple of things sent in from Downunder: (1) P&P will be shown on TV, along with Regency House, on the Australian ABC network. I believe they will be run during the Olympics as some form of counterprogramming. Sheesh! For your sakes, I do hope it isn't playing opposite men's swimming events. ;-) (2) an up close encounter with CF: http://samizdat.typepad.com/notes/2004/02/forget_fat_tues.html Anyone pick up the special edition release of TEP? Anything noteworthy in the extras? Some readers want to know.

Karen - Love this person's close encounter . . was laughing out loud here at work . . . My fave part - And the triple take he gives them;) at the airport line and the mere fact they sit behind him on the plane !!!! - Nice pic of the back of his head too;P

Cute, cute blog. Nice to be a socialist and go first class with Thai food:-) Back in steerage it's mostly soggy cold fried chicken.

NB: in real life, colin firth's not this blurry. Wrong, wrong, wrong. I have plenty of pics to prove this point. ;-) Her encounters are pretty funny. Shame she didn't zoom in better on the back of his head. What perfect positioning to examine said turf. FYI, you can click on the pix for slightly larger ones.

Thanks Karen, but now I'd like to know what she meant by "cranky while traveling"...

Then you should ask her. There's a place for comments.

Even in first or business, there'd hardly be enough leg room for him to be all that comfortable.

Love the pic in this blog taken at the cafe. Note how they placed the camera discretely on the table and just aimed it and shot...LOL.... The back of his head looks v. v. nice. And I love that he is cranky (poor Livia who had to listen to it). This bit had me ROTFL (the last sentence regarding pale skinny arms and being cranky is the killer): FF two days. Scene: Leonardo Da Vinci Aeroport in Rome. A tall skinny man in off-white corduroys and a black pea coat jacket has just finished checking in with his wife. He turns around and does not a single take, not a double take, but a TRIPLE take at this American family standing right behind him in line. Basically: Colin Firth�s worst nightmare. I sat behind him on the plane. He has skinny really pale arms and gets cranky when he travels. And who could've guessed he takes tomato (pronounced to-MAH-to) juice with extra worcestershire sauce as an in-flight drink And Colin was in NYC longer than I thought for SNL. I thought he'd fly in on Sunday (to start rehearsals on Monday..but he hung out all weekend): GUESS WHO MY FATHER SAT NEXT TO ON A PLANE FROM LONDON TO NYC THIS PAST FRIDAY. (tough one yeah? you'll never guess. should i tell you?? i'll wait a sec and let you think. [cue Jeopardy theme] dah-DUM DUM DUM.) Jude Law! heh. just kidding. i just wanted that to be true. COLIN FIRTH! my pa was all "hi. i'm not stalking you, i swear." and CF was all, "heh. yeah. riiight."

Here's the link to the rest: http://samizdat.typepad.com/notes/celebrity/index.html Basically: Colin Firth�s worst nightmare. I sat behind him on the plane. Dunno, I can think of several, who would be worse. ;-)

That was very funny. Thanks Karen. ..."he's no Owen wilson..." *sigh* Not fair that someone with such taste gets a double sighting and I get none...(yet) :o)

(Karen) Dunno, I can think of several, who would be worse. ;-) LOL... I can't think of who you could possibly mean...LOL...surely no one I would know personally....

Maybe not, but some *I* would know. ;-)

(Dorine) Maybe not, but some *I* would know. ;-) ROTFL....Surely not! Still cannot imagine who you mean? ;-D Am actually very well behaved on flights....don't like talking to those sitting next to me. Usually try to have scary literature to frighten them off....although...if Colin were sitting next to me can see this happenening: Me: Gum? CF: No. Me: You sure? CF: Yes. Me: Okay. It'll be right here if you need it. Five minutes later. Me: It's really good. CF: Shut up. Me: Okay. Wanna watch a movie on my DVD player? I have Pride and Prejudice, BJD, WAGW...?? CF: Excuse me, miss, can I get another seat?? ;-)

Loved this blog, Karen. What you're able to dig up is amazing. Who's the Asian woman seated next to him in the cafe? I thought she looked similar to one of the handlers I've seen in photos. But then again, I thought it could be Kimberley - there's a pretty strong resemblance. (OK Kim, time to come clean about your double life as an 'embedded agent'.) Cranky?? Hmmm...would love to hear a bit more on this.

(Leslie) Who's the Asian woman seated next to him in the cafe? The dates kind of match up with his "GWAPE Italian Tour". That appears to be the handler who was at all the GWAPE events with him...

(Tress) That appears to be the handler who was at all the GWAPE events with him... Anyone know where I can apply for a job as her alternate?

(leslie)OK Kim, time to come clean about your double life as an 'embedded agent'.) I don't know what you're talking about (**hiding ticket stubs to Italy in purse**);) I think she was the one who gave me a funny look at the SNL party if it's the same person . . could be handler . . . agent . . assistant? - does he have one?

(Tress)The dates kind of match up with his "GWAPE Italian Tour". That appears to be the handler who was at all the GWAPE events with him... And I'm wondering if that photo was taken at the Antico Caffe Della Pace near the Piazza Navona. I happened to save an article from NY Times Travel section from several weeks ago. I thought the chairs in the blog photo looked familiar and yep, they I compared them to the ones in the Times photo--v. similar;-) Love that he's cranky while flying. Reminds me of a dream I had once. Extras from TEP DVD:] Master Class with Anthony Minghella and deleted Scenes The Making of TEP A Historical look at the real Count Almasy Two feature commentary tracks with the filmmakers From Novel to Screenplay The Formidable Saul Zaentz About Author Michael Ondoatje Filmmaker conversations with AM,SZ, MO, and the editor Walter Murch And Much Much More!! I have no idea what Much Much More means as I haven't had a chance to watch, yet.

(Linda) I have no idea what Much Much More means Don't 4 Ms in a row always signify hidden Colin extras? ;-)

Oh, like those Easter Eggs in What A Girl Wants and others. How fun! The Where's Waldo of Colin extras. ;-)

(Dorine)Oh, like those Easter Eggs in What A Girl Wants and others Wot?? Hmmmm...think I missed something. Guess I know what I'm going to have to put in the DVD player tonight.

(Dorine)Oh, like those Easter Eggs in What A Girl Wants and others Didn't PW mention that he planned to use them in the DVD of GWAPE? -If he did, I've been unable to find them. Has anyone found any on other DVDs (CF related, of course!)? I'd like to hear more of the non-fan's close encounter in Rome, the check-in desk and on the plane. Loved that he was cranky. Would love details! But the girl has no taste! Owen Wilson? Not my cup of tea.

Am I on? Well here goes. On the subject of hugging. CF is the best hugger I have ever seen. Long arms or not, he just knows how to do it. Disagree about kissing. He does know how, better than anyone I have seen. His use of his hands is perfect. Most actors look like they are stamping a girl for mailing or chewing on them. CF cups their haeds and faces and does it right.

(Carolyn)CF cups their heads and faces and does it right. With clenched teeth;-(

Welcome Carolyn! (Carolyn) Disagree about kissing. He does know how, better than anyone I have seen....CF cups their haeds and faces and does it right. (Evelyn) With clenched teeth;-( LOL! How true, how true. Sorry, Carolyn, but Colin doesn't show enough passion for me, when he's kissing. Remember, I am not advocating that he stick his f-ing tongue down anybody's f-ing throat. Merely holding someone's head doesn't show enough for me. Ya gotta press your face into theirs, move around a bit, get a hungry look in one's eyes...

With my new VCR I can zoom in on those kisses. I'm telling ya', those muscles around his jaw are taut; you couldn't pry them open with a crowbar. , Carolyn Didn't realize you were new. So, how do you feel about Camille;-)

Mean't my new Code Free DVD...which I love, BTW. My thanks to all who got it first and recommended it. You know who you are!!*clap, clap*

(Karen) get a hungry look in one's eyes... I think he can look the look (IMO BJD was full of wonderful pre-kiss and kiss looks) but he can't snog the snog...LOL. He seems to be trying so hard to make it right at times, but you can't do that when your clenching your teeth. He just looks tense or uncomfortable most times....BJD wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either.....nice boys do kiss like that ;-)

Just whatched Camille for the second time. Need three times through to feel that I've really got it. Having been raised by an opera buff, I am more familiar with Traviata than with the play or film. I find the film so different. At first I found the main characters entirely too young. To me Violetta was a woman of some maturiy and vast experience. and Armand was a young unsophisticated man, not a callow youth, but inexperienced. Anyway, the film took some getting used to. Keep forgetting the story because CF is so beautiful just to look at. Must keep my mind on what I am viewing. Head and eyes, mind and heart!

(Tress)(IMO BJD was full of wonderful pre-kiss and kiss looks) AMEN to that!!!

It took me awhile to nail down, since it was three years ago, but I saw this comment and the date on the site was all wrong.Having been through various incarnations and passed through state ownership to achieve independent status, The Karlovy Vary International Film Festival this year celebrated its 36th birthday. The perfect setting for a 10-day event such as this, the small Czech town is located on the River Tepla in a forested valley near to the German border. All the festival venues are within half an hour's walk of each other and close to late-night dancing venues and the all-night beer and Internet tent. Having already seen over 15 of the featured films in other festivals or on general release, I caught up with another 17 during my 7-day stay. Neither is it a particularly starry event. As happens in any festival, some of the stars and directors who were supposed to turn up didn't. Colin Firth, Michael Caine and Bruce Beresford for instance, were last minute no-shows. Nastassja Kinski, Ray Winstone, Thora Birch, Terry Zwigoff, John Herzfeld, Ivan Reitman, Julian Sands and Joe Pantoliano were amongst those that did attend. Ben Kingsley, there to promote Sexy Beast, picked up an award for Outstanding Artistic Contribution to World Cinema and ran a seminar. Amid much excitement, Emir Kusturica performed with his crazy gypsy band The No Smoking Orchestra. Czech President Vaclav Havel, a great champion of the arts, popped by to attend the proceedings. Not being able to find a program listing for that 36th annual fest, I did manage to find an online festival diary. The closing night film was BJD, which would account for why he was supposed to attend. All very anticlimactic, huh? ;-)

Interesting you should write about KarlovyVary. I was in the town in 1958 or 9. It was at Thanksgiving time, The streets were bare and there was noone there aside from our tour of USArmy dependents. That whole experience in Czechoslovakia was an eye-opener for me. SInce freedom has come to that country, things have obviously changed. I am happy for them. I was there at the low and scary point in their history and I lost my husband at that border trying to get a young man out. Six degrees of separation!

(Evelyn)So, how do you feel about Camille;-) LOL, Don't answer that, Carolyn... Can we leave Camille out if it--just once;-)) BTW- Carolyn

(Evelyn)So, how do you feel about Camille;-) (Ms. Cranky Pants II;-))LOL, Don't answer that, Carolyn... Can we leave Camille out if it--just once;-)) Leammealone, that's how I vet newbies...how else to see what kind of taste they have;-)

Camille rules! :) Old TIOBE interview with RE and ODB, didn't see it on firth.com: http://home.comcast.net/~rupever/earn.html CF quotes: -- On playing with an actor you already know:"Knowing each other's steps, so much of what you might otherwise have to struggle for can be assumed. You already trust them; the barriers have been broken down; there's recognition between each other. In a film you're usually having to manufacture an intimacy with somebody whom you don't know at all, and you have an enormous task of suspending disbelief in order to act properly." -- blah blah heard before about the "new" TIOBE:"It had become this iconic antique, dead as a doornail. And too often the productions I've seen have been an homage to aphorisms and epigrams and great literature, and it's been really dull. It's become a ritual where already converted Wilde devotees sit there and nearly laugh before they hear the lines. This one had to be given some freshness, and because it's so rich, when you appropriate the words, it was surprising how easily it felt like your own speech." -- on Wilde's renaissance:"It's about time, is all I can say. One generation may have seen dozens of productions of his work and then they got tired of them and so he was put back on the shelf. And then you have a generation of kids whose parents aren't particularly interested in it, and they get to discover it. I think it goes in cycles like that. I spoke to a girl of about 17 who said the kids at her school had heard there was a film of 'Earnest' coming out and they were dying to see it and wasn't it cool? And when I told my dad what I was doing, he said, 'Oh, they're doing that again?' As if we'd been doing nothing but 'Earnest' year after year." -- on hidden reality:"I find reserve interesting. When people describe uptightness, they always refer to the emotion that's underneath, the emotional story that's being told through the filter. The suggestion is always so much more powerful than having it be explicit. I've sat in a cinema and watched a person totally alienate me because they had done all the work. I was just being screamed at. Congratulations, but nothing's happening for me; I don't get to interact; I'm just being lambasted."

Eowww! Italics! *running from room with eyes paralyzed*

An update on Karen's last post about P&P being shown downunder. Well, I don't know if it's running as a counterprogramming tactic to the Olympics - to be honest, I don't know when the Olympics are on, as there's been no ads with dates of them as yet... But! I do know that P&P is actually starting THIS Sunday evening! Hoorah! And it got a lovely write up in the Sydney Morning Herald's TV Guide "The love match of the haughty Mr Darcy and the headstrong Miss Elizabeth Bennett is exceeded only by the casting - Colin Firth smoulders as the brooding, prideful Darcy and Jennifer Ehle lights up every frame in which she appears as the determined, prideful Miss Bennett." Something to look forward to on Sunday evenings now... Oh, and Regency House Party is on as Karen said and it's been voted "Show of the Week"

Wow-Thanks Odile, for the TIOBE article. That's one of my fav films of his. I, too, "find reserve interesting"...maybe it's a virgo thing. Too cute that he feels "lambasted" at the cinema sometimes!!

To be totally off topic, the Olympic Games run from 13 Aug to 29 Aug. Any overlap? I suppose it would depend on how they air P&P: once a week for how many weeks or consecutive night. Not all that important actually; however, that comment about "couterprogramming" came from an article. The same is done here. P&P used to be replayed Thanksgiving weekend, when most people are watching football games. ;-)

Reposting Carolyn's question here: HOw does CF do on stage? He is so famous, and justly so, for the subtlety (sp) of his eye, hand and body language. Does it get lost on stage? or is a completely different persona in film and on stage?

(Carolyn)for the subtlety (sp) of his eye, hand and body language. Does it get lost on stage? or is a completely different persona in film and on stage? Great question Carolyn and I'm sure the answer to this is in the Donmar archives, but since Colin's stage appearances are so rare it would be nice to have some input here from those lucky enough to have experienced it. Please, Donmar, ladies? Thank you in advance.

Linda - Would SNL count? . .I kept trying to stare at him in person (OK came short of jumping off that balcony when he was right below us for the Cold Mountain sketch . .- but my eyes kept roving to the television monitors to get more of that subtlety I love so much in his performances . . .

Ask Karen, she was sitting inches from his feet:-)

(Karen) Ask Karen, she was sitting inches from his feet:-) You know I can't take that! You can't do that to me! LOL!!! GAAAAAHHHHH!!

Duh...that was Evelyn...not Karen. I got a bit excited....sorry!

I bet that he a phenominal on stage. He seems to be a consumate perfectionist. That would mean that he would never step onto a stage unless he was prepared to give it his all. Carolyn"or is a completely different persona in film and on stage?" You're right Carolyn, stage is a very different medium than film. On stage, I imagine, you would lose some of that eye and hand work that we love so much. (unless you were lucky enough to be in the first couple of rows) BUT you would gain a whole new level of appreciation. You would get to experience sighs, pregnant pauses (that can't be edited out), and the electricity that can only be felt when you are in the presence of two, or more, people who are interacting to one another. Kimberly "Would SNL count?" Yes, I think it would. I just think a weekend would not be enough time for him to reherse and get comfy with the material. So we saw him being a "slave" to the teleprompter instead of being able to relax and have more fun with it. Wow...I sure did ramble on...Sorry, but that's one girl's thoughts.

I'll probably never be at a live CF stage performence, but I remember telling a group of by students with whom I was watching PandP to stop clapping and hooting (Darcy had just told off Caroline )and had adjourned to the music room and put the candle on the mantle. I told them,"Now watch his mouth. You can tell what he is thinking by watching him just ever so slightly changing the muscles around mis mouth. That ladies and gentlemen is acting and you won't see it often, but this man knows how to do it. Watch and learn. It is the little things that make the difference."

(carolyn)ou can tell what he is thinking by watching him just ever so slightly changing the muscles around mis mouth. Exactly . . . hence my strong interest in film/television acting . .on stage you need to be bigger, louder, broader so you can telegraph to the audience in the back row . .the camera forces you to tone it down . .an intake of breath, a slight clenching of the jaw, a stare when magnified by the camera it can be such a powerful tool . . . More ramblings on my part;)

Kimberly Ramble on. It is nice to know I am not the only one to notice these things. I know we all hate Lium, but there is a moment in the marriage couselor's office that is vintage Firth. The camera has a moment of F sitting there while his wife goes on and on about their sex life We see a shot of his hand on his thigh with his fingers curling up and you just know he is thinking,"forG@#$ sake shut up" while he dies inside. I find that even in the sillier and inane films F always cokes through with moments of brilliance. It makes it worth watching even the films I don't like.

Kimberly Ramble on. It is nice to know I am not the only one to notice these things. I know we all hate Lium, but there is a moment in the marriage couselor's office that is vintage Firth. The camera has a moment of F sitting there while his wife goes on and on about their sex life We see a shot of his hand on his thigh with his fingers curling up and you just know he is thinking,"forG@#$ sake shut up" while he dies inside. I find that even in the sillier and inane films F always comes through with moments of brilliance. It makes it worth watching even the films I don't like.

Sorry, How did that happen?

Has nothing to do w/ above . .just staring at DVD cover for AMITC that will be release in UK Aug 9 . . . God bless code free dvd players

I,ve odered the new AMITC. Do I have to have a special machine to view it? I own two copies of it now, but sine it is my favorite film, I am treating myself to a new copy. Hope the color and sound are better though the ones I have aren't bad

(Carolyn) I know we all hate Lium A pronoun you should leave at the Drool doorstep. ;-) (Carolyn) Do I have to have a special machine to view it? If you ordered that version from the UK, which is the only DVD version in existence, then yes you need a special player. Email me at nomdedrool@yahoo.com for details of where to procure.

Oooo, lots of ODB on the tube coming up:-)) http://www.tv-now.com/stars/firth.html

(Carolyn) You can tell what he is thinking by watching him just ever so slightly changing the muscles around mis mouth. (Kimberly) the camera forces you to tone it down . .an intake of breath, a slight clenching of the jaw, a stare when magnified by the camera it can be such a powerful tool . . . I totally agree with you ladies... in fact, it was precisely a moment like this that I fell totally for ODB. It was in BJD (I know, i'd missed all the P&P and other films...)when ODB was at Bridget's apartment preparing her blue soup birthday dinner and the door bell rings and it's her friends arriving. ODB glances up ever so slightly, presses his fingers on the knot of his tie and then up towards his mouth, index finger slightly curled towards the sensitve part between his nose and his upper lip. MMMMM, that is acting - so subtle that it makes you swoon! That scene, oh, and the last scene of BJD, when in between kisses, ODB answers Bridget's remark "Hang on a minute, nice boys don't kiss like that!" with his "Oh yes, they f**king well do!" - so subtly done - but, arrgh, so sexy at the same time. Yep - I must admit, it's his acting that got me hook, line and sinker ;-) (not to mention his smoulderingly handsome face!) And on the point of kissing, I must agree with Carolyn's earlier comment that he IS a good kisser, okay, with clenched teeth - maybe the directors didn't want open-mouthed kisses? and the only way he can do it is with his lips pressed together?!!!!?? But IMHO, I think he does cup their faces, and that is a loving gesture, a gesture that is sensitive and caring, not just like some of the other guys who look like they're trying to devour a hamburger or something! sorry for rambling also! :)

(Janice) maybe the directors didn't want open-mouthed kisses? Didn't seem to stop Huge with Renee. ;-) Or were you just referring to Colin? presses his fingers.... up towards his mouth, index finger slightly curled towards the sensitve part between his nose and his upper lip Yes, a signature move for him when he's (his character) nervous or distressed.... like in P&P when he finds Elizabeth distressed at the Inn after she found out her sister ran off with Wickham. I've forgotten off the top of my head where, but there are one or 2 other places he's done it, I think. not just like some of the other guys who look like they're trying to devour a hamburger or something! I don't mind seeing a hungry man once in a while. ;-)

(Dorine) Didn't seem to stop Huge with Renee. ;-) Or were you just referring to Colin? I guess you've got me there! Maybe it's stipulated in Colin's contracts or something! ;-) I can just imagine the contract to read something like: Kissing Clauses for Mr. Firth Clause 1. Must kiss with teeth clenched. Clause 2. Mouth must not be opened (not even half opened - which would make lips soft and vulnerable to further exchanges of bodily fluids). Clause 3. Definitely no tongue. But may use other parts of the body e.g. hands and arms freely to express desire, love, sensuality etc etc. Yes, a signature move for him when he's (his character) nervous or distressed. As still new to ODB, I don't know that he uses it often. I must say though - no wonder it's his signature move - it works so very well! I don't mind seeing a hungry man once in a while ditto. Actually, Keeanu's kiss with Diane Keaton in Somethings Gotta Give - you know the one when they're in the kitchen is pretty hot. He also cupped her face. Maybe he learnt that move from ODB! :-)

Nothing to do with above. sorry... but in answer to Karen's earlier post... (Karen) the Olympic Games run from 13 Aug to 29 Aug. Any overlap? Thanks for the dates for the Olympics. I don't much follow sports, as too much of it in Australia... :-( That would definitely mean that P&P will be still running when the games are on. As it is running only the one hour on Sunday nights over 6 weeks.

(presses his fingers.... up towards his mouth, index finger slightly curled towards the sensitve part between his nose and his upper lip (Dorine)Yes, a signature move for him when he's (his character) nervous or distressed.... Not just his character. Also IRL. First interview for SIL on A&E he almost wore out his poor nose.

He has many signature moves his Rolodex that you'll see repeated in his movies. I know this was discussed a long time ago, but does recur often during film discussion because people see similarities between his actions in different movies. Ya know, I did forget to mention a couple of those in MOTM that were particularly Paul to me.

OK, I can't resist jumping in here... (Firehorse)I think he does cup their faces, and that is a loving gesture, a gesture that is sensitive and caring, not just like some of the other guys who look like they're trying to devour a hamburger or something! How's 'bout 1) The final scene in WAGW when he finally kisses Kelly Preston up by the band stand? and 2) The final scene in L'dom when he reunites with Hemingway at the train station? (One of the few scenes I can bear watching in this film) Both very nice examples of that delicious facial caress, IMO.

(Evelyn) Not just his character. Also IRL. First interview for SIL on A&E he almost wore out his poor nose. Is this the BWTA interview? I just saw this for the first time recently. I thought it was LOL funny. He must have done about 6 or 7 nose tugs. He also did a couple of mouth swipes in that interview...where he checked the corners of his mouth for traces of breakfast. I was waiting for him to clean his ears (cuz I think he managed to check for eye boogers too in that ten minutes) ;-D

I believe the technical term is eye gunk. ;-)

The real term is optical effluence Hah! How did we get onto this sujject? and I can figure out most of your initial abreviations, but what does LOL mean. I can'T translate that. It could mean Light of Love, Little Old Lady Hmmm?

Ugh! That sounds like a factory pollutant. ;-) LOL means laugh out loud

Laugh(ed) Out Loud. I have seen him do other things IRL, but not necessarily the hand to nose thing. Couldn't think of what they were offhand last night, though, when I posted.

(Carolyn) The real term is optical effluence LOL....riiiiiiight....I'll remember that.... (Karen) Ugh! That sounds like a factory pollutant. ;-) ROTFL....and I thought...hmmmm...I should get some of that to clean my glasses! ;-) A soft cloth and some Optical Effluence and you're good to go! Eeewwwwwww! (Leslie) Both very nice examples of that delicious facial caress, IMO. Some examples (I love visuals): ] And this pic was included for strictly gratuitous reasons:

Oh gawd, Tress. How could I forget the scene from LA? Yes, Yes, Yes!!

Ny final word on the subject: Eye YiYi(don't know how that's spelled, but you get the drift. I missed BWTA though I usually watch it. What did I miss? WHen was the program of which you speak?

Yikes, didn't expect this today. Lovely. I love discussing YKW's body language, movements, excretions--well, ok, effluences. I notice so many of his little movements in films that totally bring me to another place. But, like Dorine, I can't always remember off the top of my head. One of my favorites is the way he slips off his suit jacket. He does it so smoothly-in the kitchen scene of BJD, then twice more, but I can't remember. Each time I see it, I say, "there it is, again,". But of course, I don't write it down and and it's gone. He uses the same action when slipping off his cape in GWAPE for the camera obscura scene. Just a different period, different dress, same mannerism. Thanks Tress for Jamie and Henry-they are always a sight for sore eyes and the man himself-I'm lost for words, but... I'll see your gratuitous and raise you stupendous;-)

(Carolyn) What did I miss? WHen was the program of which you speak? This was for SIL so was quite a while ago (probably 1998)...I can't even remember what all Colin talked about (SIL, working with another Fiennes brother, other random things). I was transfixed by all the things he kept doing...was funny to watch him fidget. The first nose swipe I thought "well, that's not too bad" and then he did it again...and again...and again...by the fourth or fifth time I was laughing. He was either really nervous or really relaxed.

Oh! You're playing that game, are you? Well....I see your stupendous and give you a "YOWZAAAAAAAAAAAAA!" Double post...sorry...couldn't be helped....I felt cornered...(sure hope Giambalvo & Napolitano don't mind) ;-D

Tress Oh I thought it was something recent and I was kicking myself. I always seem to miss CF on television interviews. Another mannerism I love is the dropping of his left shoulder Soooo sexy, I can't tell you where exactly he does it, but it is a frequent action. Suppose people were watching us with such care. We wouldn't be able to function. It's like asking the centipede how it walks; it never walks again.

I don't like that one; the four capped front teeth stand out too much. Cheap job.

(Evelyn) I don't like that one; the four capped front teeth stand out too much. He really needs to bleach those other teeth. The canines always stand out with the color difference when he grins. Too much Starbucks. ;-)

(Linda)One of my favorites is the way he slips off his suit jacket. He does it so smoothly-in the kitchen scene of BJD, then twice more, but I can't remember. I think one might be in HS when Colin and Mandy return to the motel room after speeding along the street. Colin comes in and takes off his jacket....maybe "glides out of jacket" is a better description. :-)

Well, I see we have gone from eyes to mouth. Does this indicate that we are moving down (in more ways than one)? Let me know when you get there. The hands and feet, of course LOL Poor dear has no privacy (pronounced privasy) at all with us around.

(Dorine) The canines always stand out with the color difference when he grins. Too much Starbucks. ;-) And too many years puffing away on smokes. He's got crazy crooked teeth down below too...love those. His teeth are tiered. (Carolyn) Does this indicate that we are moving down (in more ways than one)? Let me know when you get there. LOL...it always 'gets there'...eventually...

(Kathryn)I think one might be in HS when Colin and Mandy return to the motel room after speeding along the street. Colin comes in and takes off his jacket....maybe "glides out of jacket" is a better description. :-) YES, that's it. HS in the motel, Thank you. It's been bugging me all afternoon. And Glides is the better description. (Tress)LOL...it always 'gets there'...eventually... Yeah, you may have to decide right or left, but 'there' is the place to go;-) From now on I'm smiling with my mouth closed.;-)

Ooooohhh! He doesn't have to hide the choppers does he? I love it when he gives toothy grins. Here is one that might be better (Evelyn is this one okay?? ;-D) I just love all the laugh lines that have come into being as he has gotten older. I think they make him look dead sexy!

(Tress)I just love all the laugh lines that have come into being as he has gotten older. Yes, I love *my* Colin a bit older too. And while we're on the topic of his signature moves....let us not forget that some of us have crowned him His Royal Highness, the Grand Poobah of Snuzzles. This one's for you, Linda...

Geez, all of this talk about caps and bleaching had me a little worried that this was morphing into the CF extreme makeover topic! ;-) And then the eye, nose, and mouth stuff--knew it had to be the Timberly BWTA interview. ;-) I'm convinced he saw that tape, recoiled in horror, and has sat on his hands during interviews ever since. (Well, myabe not in Italy....)

(Leslie)Yes, I love *my* Colin a bit older too. Yes, I agree, his face is getting more and more lovable to me, unbleached canines and all. You know how some guys just really "grow" into their faces... I think that definitely applies to ODB. Not that I didn't like his looks in say AC - but it's just not the *same* Colin to me... ;-) But I have to say that strangely enough, I find some of his more haughty looks to be more sexy. Like when he comes out of the tub to look down through the window in P&P and also the dingdong moment - in BJD when he turns around with the reindeer jumper. I don't know about HS, I didn't think much of his tassle-twirling antics, but then, when I was watching the DVD again on my laptop...suddenly all I saw were his shoulders, those bicceps, that chest... mmm just yummy eye candy... :-P

(firehorse)I find some of his more haughty looks to be more sexy. Like when he comes out of the tub to look down through the window in P&P I'm not sure I'd call that one haughty. To me it seemed that was one of the first times he realized Lizzie actually appealed to him. But then again, that's one of the wonderful things about subtle expression...it can have multiple interpretations.

Hi! is anyone there? Do you all take Thursdays off? I don't see anything except lesliep on my screen. How can I rejoice without my daily fix now that I am addicted? There are questions I would ask, but hesitate to do so because you all have probably talked about them already sometime in the last seven years while I was wandering in the wilderness. Well I'll try one anyway. What did Darcy say to Lizzy when he came upon her walking across the countryside to visit her sister at Netherfield? I don't mean the audible script , but what he said as she walked by him. I don't read lips very well, but he said something beacuse she stiffened for a moment. Just curious if any of you know or have a thought on the subject

(carolyn)What did Darcy say to Lizzy when he came upon her walking across the countryside to visit her sister at Netherfield? I don't mean the audible script , but what he said as she walked by him. I don't read lips very well, but he said something beacuse she stiffened for a moment You mean when he gestered for her to walk in front of him? kinda streching his arm out toward Netherfield?

(SB Robinson) Yes, as Lizzy stepped by him he said something to her that made her stiffen for just a moment. It is hard to tell whether it was Firth saying something to JE or Darcy saying something to Lizzy which may not have been scripted, or was cut. Just curious if anyone else noticed this. A minor point, but I have always been curious.

carolyn! - crazy girl . .I'm here - am off home sick;) . . .Was happy to see Fever Pitch as I turned on the channel to IFC;) . .ah brightens up my icky day . .paul ashworth and arsenal . . keep asking your questions . .I'm fairly new here myself . .just since last november;) Hmmm . .will have to check my p&p DVD for a bit for that question . .

I am probably opening a can of worms with this observation. I do not think CF pertrays anger well. He seems to feel that raising the pitch and loudess of his delivery denotes anger. I have had a deal of experience with angry men (twin brother and father) and in my experience real anger is very deep and rarely rants. When I asked an actor friend of mine about this, his responce was that either CF had had little experience with anger (for which I am greateful for him) or he knows the emotion well and doesn't want to "go there"(for which I am truly sorry for him)

I would imagine his portrayal of anger is at the direction of the, well.... director.

(Leslie)His Royal Highness, the Grand Poobah of Snuzzles. This one's for you, Linda... Mille grazie. Since my epiphany moment several years after P&P was during BJD--it was probably that scene, that nuzzle, and the lips pressed together that made me sit up and say OMG. Just looking at that capture makes me shiver even in this heat. What can I say, but OMG. Thanks Leslie!

I too sat up and took particular notice of the "snuzzle" ability of our hero. Any man who can do that has my vote, whatever he's running for. Has the election season finally gotten to me. I hope not.

Ditto-only it was on my third or fourth viewing of BJD!!! I don't know what happened. I got caught up in Bridget's initial impression of him being a "nasty bastard" and never changed my opinion. Until the third or fourth time he was at her door on her birthday looking up her with those eyes. Then...... *DING DONG* :o)

(Leslie)I'm not sure I'd call that one haughty. To me it seemed that was one Of the first times he realized Lizzie actually appealed to him. perhaps you're right - it's not all that haughty - but his "in love" look definitely looks like he's "in pain". (LOL) Maybe that is the perfect look that captures the sentiment "pangs of the heart" when one is in love! (Yvette)only it was on my third or fourth viewing of BJD...Until the third or fourth time he was at her door on her birthday looking up her with those eyes Can you believe that I was so sore with Bridget ending up with *him* rather than Hugh the first time I watched the film? And it wasn't until last year... Yep last year! when I recorded BJD off the telly - it was the Sunday night movie - that I noticed ODB! To think of the years I've wasted, not knowing who he was. Ha! And yes YES! He snuzzles sooo well with Bridge. But I also think that Renee Z. is absolutely fantastic as an actress. I don't know why ODB is being paired off with so many much younger actresses in his recent films. I mean really! And half of them can't act! I didn't think much of Heather G in HS - okay, she was great as Rollergirl, but then, I just think it's PT Anderson's good work. And in TIOBE I can't say that my vote was for Frances O (even though she is a fellow Australian). Granted that Scarlett J was absolutely wonderful in GWAPE. But I can't say that I think much of Mena S.'s acting.... or looks?! Am I the only one? ODB should be paired off with actresses more his age and more importantly, he deserves to be acting alongside actresses that are more to his calibre! oops. sorry for going on so long! I was on a roll there... ;-)

(firehorse)Can you believe that I was so sore with Bridget ending up with *him* rather than Hugh the first time I watched the film?.....To think of the years I've wasted, not knowing who he was. Ha! LOL. So glad you've come to your senses and seen 'the light'. No one should ever be held respnsible for their youthful indescretions.

(Carolyn) I do not think CF pertrays anger well. He seems to feel that raising the pitch and loudess of his delivery denotes anger. I quite agree and ususally cringe whenever he goes into one of his typically shrill outbursts. (firehorse) I don't know why ODB is being paired off with so many much younger actresses in his recent films. Because younger actresses are what they cast in films these days. An actress of Colin's age would be playing the mother of a grown child (if anything) or a grandmother in today's world. There have been many articles/discussions about this trend on O&E. Thus far, the age of Colin's co-stars has been within acceptable ranges. I don't count Scarlett because it was an unconsummated love and not even a real love if you subscribe to the artist/model relationship view. Where there are more than three decades' difference that comments will be made in print.

(Carolyn) I don't read lips very well, but he said something beacuse she stiffened for a moment. Just curious if any of you know or have a thought on the subject "Like your t*ts in that top" Oooops....wrong film, huh? ;-) (Carolyn) I do not think CF pertrays anger well. (Karen) I quite agree and ususally cringe whenever he goes into one of his typically shrill outbursts. His loud anger is not nearly as convincing as when you can see him simmer under the surface. In Conspiracy, when he is sitting there listening to various people, before he goes on the tirade, you can just see the temples moving and the jaw twitching. I think those are his finest 'angry' moments. He does it in GWAPE too. Not the full blown freak out over the comb (though I did like that tantrum...), but when he is sitting there at the table watching Van R. You can see the resentment and you know he hates the situation. Same with the scene outdoors when Van R talks about Griet posing for him. The quiet anger is well done...and a bit spookier for me to watch (because that is when you get the feeling he's really pissed).

(Tress)The quiet anger is well done...and a bit spookier for me to watch (because that is when you get the feeling he's really pissed). I agree Tress. And though I think ATA sucks as a film I think he does a good job perculating, then exploding as the father taunts his character at the dish to pass supper.

(Tress)His loud anger is not nearly as convincing as when you can see him simmer under the surface Totally agree with you on Conspiracy. (Karen) I quite agree and ususally cringe whenever he goes into one of his typically shrill outbursts. Uh, like on the golf course in HS???

Tress "Like your t*ts in that top" Oooops....wrong film, huh? ;-) LOL* Good one Tress!!! :o)

(Firehorse) Can you believe that I was so sore with Bridget ending up with *him* rather than Hugh the first time I watched the film? Can you believe that I'm still sore about it? I still think that Bridget and Daniel would've made a more realistic couple. Okay, you can send the firing squad now. I'm ready. ;-)

(Karen) I quite agree and ususally cringe whenever he goes into one of his typically shrill outbursts. (Linda)Uh, like on the golf course in HS??? FP was the worst, IMO.MOTM at the hospital, Tumbledown too , I think. If anger is called for , he reaches into his Roladex of roles and pulls out the ole stand-by;-)

(Evelyn) FP was the worst, IMO AWWW...I loved all of his little outbursts in that one. I especially like all of his animated shouting from the sidelines whlie he's coaching. (Ildi) I still think that Bridget and Daniel would've made a more realistic couple. Oh Ildi, no no no. Daniel is is just a bad man who should go crawling back to his American stick insect!!!

(Yvette) Daniel is is just a bad man who should go crawling back to his American stick insect!!! So what's he doing back with her in TEOR? Believe me, they were made for each other. The idiot and the rake. A perfect match. Darcy couldn't take her anywhere, she makes an ass of herself wherever she goes. And what on earth could those two ever talk about, aside from the weather? I just can't see it. Sort of like trying to pair Fitz Darcy up with Lydia Bennett. Impossible.

Yeah, you're right. I haven't read either of them-yet. I'm sure I'll get a little more insight once I have.

(Ildiko) And what on earth could those two ever talk about, aside from the weather? I just can't see it. In the book Bridget is a bit more together and can keep up....she still says terribly hilarious things at the absolute wrong time, but you get the feeling that her and Mark would be very good for one another. They dumbed her down for the film. Besides, a man who wears reindeer jumpers and puts his foot so royally in his mouth doesn't have too much wiggle room when it comes to sophistication, IMO. I think they belong together....Daniel was a user and cruel. Mark doesn't have a mean bone (that I've seen) in his body (well, except when he smacks down DC, but I believe he deserved that) and neither does Bridget.

Tress, my opinion on these two are based on what I see in the movie, not what I read in the books. Although I didn't care much for BJD, I found TEOR quite entertaining, and as lots of people say, Bridget isn't that dumb in the books. I had no problem with Bridget and Mark as a couple in the books, but in the movie they seem like the most unsuitable couple to me. Even though Mark isn't perfect, he has his faults, but she is way too dumbed down for him. When did Mark put his foot royally in his mouth btw? I haven't watched BJD in a looong time...

(Ildi) When did Mark put his foot royally in his mouth btw? At the turkey curry buffet. When he was speaking to his mum. He could have used a bit more tact....there were friends and family very close by and he insulted her pretty badly. But it was an homage to Fitzwilliam's "not handsome enough to tempt me" speech so I guess I can live with it ;-)

(Ildi)Even though Mark isn't perfect, he has his faults, but she is way too dumbed down for him. Maybe Mark was just tired of living his life like he had a gherkin thrust up his ass, and was looking for someone down to earth and funny. Someone very unlike Natasha.

(Lindak) Mark ... was looking for someone down to earth and funny. Yeah, but Bridget was ridiculous, not funny. And that's what irks me really, almost every time we see her she comes off as a total idiot. I can see Mark wanting someone different from Natasha, but how low can he go? Mark and Bridget are day and night as far as I can see (in the movie). Aside from his "insult" at the beginning, (and gherkin up the arse or not)he seems like an intelligent, normal guy, and all we see of Bridget is her blunders. I feel that it's a major flaw in the movie, presenting her as a moron who can't hold her drink, doesn't have a bit of common (or any kind of) sense, and generally can't do anything right. I was hoping that in TEOR she'd improve a bit, they'd "undumb" her a little, so the difference between her and Mark wouldn't be so jarring, but after seeing the trailer I uncrossed my fingers. There's no point in keeping them crossed anymore, she seems as bad in this one as in BJD. :-( (Tress) He could have used a bit more tact. LOL! Yes, he could've said all that a bit more quietly, so no one would've overheard him. But what he said of Bridget was true. She did smoke like a chimney, drank like a fish, and dressed like her mother. Unfortunately.

(Ildi) She did smoke like a chimney, drank like a fish, and dressed like her mother. He was being a bit prejudiced though....a man wearing a reindeer jumper cannot through turkey curry at a woman wearing a carpet. ;-D And she drank on New Years Eve? To quote Natasha..."how odd!" LOL!

(Tress)a man wearing a reindeer jumper cannot through turkey curry at a woman wearing a carpet Exactly! LOL. I still hold to the old saying that 'opposites attract';-)Either that, or the sex is fantastic;-)

(Ildi)Yeah, but Bridget was ridiculous, not funny. And that's what irks me really, almost every time we see her she comes off as a total idiot. I can see Mark wanting someone different from Natasha, but how low can he go? No, no. please no... Natasha is shallow, hollowed-out shell of a person, maybe good at her job, maybe has "good taste" whatever that means, but artificial, shallow and IMO, generally unlikeable. Whereas Bridge is sentimental - she wears a carpet at her mother's turkey curry buffet - not because she's dumb, but because she wanted to please her mother, as did Mark - and yes, they KNOW they look ridiculous in those outfits. And from what I can see (I confess that I haven't read BJD, but did read TEOR) in the film - that Bridget is not dumb, she sticks to her plans, she is lonely sometimes and wants to be loved. Preferrably by someone who will be as honest to her as she is to them. The outburst that Mark gave at the curry buffet only confirms his honesty. What she writes in her diary confirms her honesty. They are not necessarily pleasantries. But they both overcame what they had thought about the other. I think that is what is so special about their relationship, as opposed to the one with Daniel - which seems to be more fun and kind of sexier - which was why I initially loved Bridge and Dan being together.

(firehorse) No, no. please no... Natasha is shallow, hollowed-out shell of a person, maybe good at her job, maybe has "good taste" whatever that means, but artificial, shallow and IMO, generally unlikeable. Whereas Bridge is sentimental - she wears a carpet at her mother's turkey curry buffet - not because she's dumb, but because she wanted to please her mother, as did Mark - and yes, they KNOW they look ridiculous in those outfits. The movie does portray Bridget as a bit more of a fool ( okay, a lot more that a bit) than the novel but she is still a kind fool with a good heart. Her sincerity allows her foolishness a place to dwell-makes her vulnerable and many times ridiculous. She is not calculating , manipulative or spiteful and she wins my trust, if not always my positive reactions to her actions.

You're right Bonnie - your description "kind fool with a good heart" is spot on - but still, not dumb! I don't know, maybe I'm just picky with words, but there're many films that portray women or the female lead as "dumb" - not UK films, granted, but any sort of US light comedy would have a female character that has "dumb" attributes with perhaps less likeable attributes than Bridget. I like her and I can see why Mark Darcy would like her too! ;-)

Errr, because she was so knowledgeable about Aghani Heany and el Niňo? ;-)

But Latin music was on it's way out! Why bother with el Nino? ;-D And she was perfectly ready and able (after just a bit of study) to talk about Chechnya...and so what if F.R. Leavis is dead? Cambridge grads may still appreciate you as long as you wear see-through blouses and short skirts...LOL... ;-)

As there seems to be a bit of a lull in activity, perhaps some people would like a small diversion. :-) FIRTH FILM FACT FINAL (The 4 F's) PART ONE: Name the same actor or actress who had scenes with Colin in these films. (Note: Sophie Thompson could not be used for Tumbledown because she hadn't any scenes with Colin in the shot.) 1. THOTP and TDBS 2. AZ and DQ 3. TIOBE and AC 4. LE, AMITC, SIL, and THOTP 5. AMITC and Conspiracy 6. Conspiracy and Valmont 7. Hostages and AMITC 8. TEOR and BJD 9. Londinium and MLSF 10. P&P and DG 11. SIL and TIOBE 12. AC and DG 13. Tumbledown and SIL 14. P&P and WAGW 15. P&P and Tumbledown 16. COF and HS 17. TIOBE, SIL, and GWAPE 18. TEOR and BJD 19. RV and Londinium 20. MOTM and WAGW

Oooh Kathryn . .thanks! . .some of these are really stumping me . .

I have way too much time on my hands . . . ****************************************************** 1.THOTP and TDBS - Ian Holm (Father Albertus/Sir William Collyer) 2. AZ and DQ � Liz Smith (Mary Louise McKinney /Granny) 3. TIOBE and AC - Rupert Everett (Algy/ Guy Bennett) 4. LE, AMITC, SIL, and THOTP - Jim Carter( Inspector Crabbe/Ellerbeck/Ralph Bashford/Matheiu) 5. AMITC and Conspiracy - Kenneth Branagh ( Moon/ Heydrich) 6. Conspiracy and Valmont - Ian MacNiece (Dr.Klopfer / Azolan) 7. Hostages and AMITC - Natasha Richardson (Jill / Alice Keach) 8. TEOR and BJD - Renee Zellwegger ( Bridget Jones � both films) 9. Londinium and MLSF � Irene Jacob (Fiona/Heloise) 10. P&P and DG � Adrian Lukis (Wickham/Murray) 11. SIL and TIOBE - Judi Dench (Queen Elizabeth/Lady Bracknell) 12. AC and DG � Robert Addie (Delahay/Cone) 13. Tumbledown and SIL - Mark Williams (Lumpy/Wabash) 14. P&P and WAGW � Anna Chancellor (Miss Bingley/Glynnis) 15. P&P and Tumbledown � Barbara Leigh Hunt (Lady Catherine DeBourgh/ Jean Lawrence) 16. COF and HS � Minnie Driver (Benny /Vera) 17. TIOBE, SIL, and GWAPE � Tom Wilkinson (Dr. Chausable/Fennyman/Van Ruijven) 18. TEOR and BJD - Hugh Grant (Daniel Cleaver - both films) 19. RV and Londinium � Stephen Fry (Crestwell / Therapist) 20. MOTM and WAGW � Sylvia Sims (Stephen�s mom/Princess Charlotte)

Oh my, you really do. ;-)

Brava, Kimberley! 100% and with each character's name, no less. It probably took me more time to work the items up and type them than it did for you to answer.:-) I have a Part Two that's a bit harder, dealing with connectings threads in films, if anyone would like it posted (or Karen, would you prefer this be done via email?).

(Tress) And she was perfectly ready and able (after just a bit of study) to talk about Chechnya... Thank goodness she had no opportunity to do that, I'm glad we were spared the experience. ;-) (Bonnie) ...but she is still a kind fool with a good heart. LOL! I guess that's the kind of attitude I should have. I should count my blessings and feel relieved that she isn't a mean one. ;-) Kimberley, you are good. I haven't even seen half of those movies...

(ildi)Kimberley, you are good. I haven't even seen half of those movies... Sigh . .I've seen or own most of these pics . . the only one I haven't seen is TDBS - had to check IMDB for that one . . . Bring on part 2 Kathryn . .this is v. challenging

Kimberly, you're scaring me ;;;-) But, you forgot to mention that Rene Zellweger was also in BJD and TEOR. scuttling back to my dark corner

Ah, Eithne, but Kimberley did. #8 and #18 were both TEOR and BJD--one answer was Rene and the other Hugh. :-)

Bravo, Kimberley!

(Kim)I have way too much time on my hands . LOL, I'm glad you do. I've been away all day and it was nice to share someone else's homework;-) Thanks, Kathryn. Looking forward to more.

Part Two for FIRTH FILM FACT FINAL has 30 items, so I'm posting just the first 15 today. Note: Some threads may be obvious and others less so. Also, just because I thought of one thread, it doesn't mean there may not be others. :-) PART TWO: What's the connecting thread for these productions? 1. AMITC, LE, SG 2. HS, GWAPE, LE 3. FF, ATA, Playmaker, HS, TFTHH 4. RV, AC, P&P, TIOBE, Valmont, SIL 5. FP, DG, AC 6. LA, SLOW, BABAF, TFTHH, WOF 7. WOF, FF, Playmaker, Tumbledown, THOTP 8. AC, DG 9. AMITC, LA 10. Conspiracy, TEP, TDBS 11. P&P, COF, Nostromo, SIL, THOTP, Valmont 12. AZ, Nostromo 13. DQ, MLSF 14. COF, SIL, AMITC, TDBS, TWOMH, Nostromo 15. MOTM, Nostromo

Kathryn, really enjoying your quiz :-) As I should be doing very different things than drooling, I'll only have a go at no. 1: Could it be "WW1"?

Yes, Annette, WWI is right. Glad to see you posting again. :-)

I'll have a go at number (2). Colin plays an artist...

Right you are, Tress. :-)

I know I'm skipping out of order here, but... #13) Both DQ and MLSF took place in Scotland, no?

Yes, Leslie, but I thought Janet would beat out everyone else on this answer.:-)

3. FF, ATA, Playmaker, HS, TFTHH These all took place in the US....

Yes. That's two in a row for you, Tress. :-)

I think this is the right site to ask a question. Have any of you read Minghella's Two planks and a Passion? I just read it, delightful. What part did CF play when he did it? I saw a part of the cycle in York many years ago. can't remember a word, but the experience was unforgetable. I can still see the sinners beings vomited out of Hell's mouth. Reading TPand a P bought it all back

I just read this one too for the first time! Was very funny (I didn't expect it to be). Colin played Richard....the inventor of the kerchief (saves the sleeve). ;-)

(Tress) Richard is the king! That was a huge part. I saw a tiny picture somewhere in my trips through the internet sites of a production of T P and aP. It wasn't possible to enlarge it so I couldn't tell whether CF was in any of the pics. I also understand that TPand a P is NOT available on audiotape or any where else other than the play script. Do any of you have info about this?

OK, Kathryn, this is burning a hole in my brain now.... #5) FP, DG, AC Soccer/Football was the sport of choice in each film?

Oooohhhh....and I was thinking they were all "school" related???

Okay - one more before bedtime: #7) could it be ODB in scenes without any clothes on Now - will head for Bedfordshire, as it seems my mind is already drifting towards dream-material :-)

Multiple answers are possible. :-) "sports" in general (because soccer wasn't in AC--it was cricket) and/or "schools". Tress is 3 for 3 and Leslie is 1.66666 for 2. Well done, ladies.

Sweet dream, Annette. ;-)) You're right.

And here's my guess for #7) WOF, FF, Playmaker, Tumbledown, THOTP: We get to a nice shot of his bare bottom in each of these films :-) Or is my mind just stuck in the gutter as usual??

Uh Oh, I guess Annette beat me to it for #7. Great minds do think alike!!

#12) AZ, Nostromo : Both take place in South America

Yikes, I can't keep up with the postings! Leslie and Annette both get full credit for correct answers for #7. [Although, sadly, there are no "bottom" shots in WOF and FF, the review board accepts Leslie's answer--just because of the "no disclosure" clause. :-)]

#12 goes to Leslie, now aberaging 3.666666666666!

Bugger! "full disclosure", not "no disclosure". Grrrrr.

I think I have another one... #4) RV, AC, P&P, TIOBE, Valmont, SIL: Wouldn't he be considered a member of the aristocracy in each of these films? (BTW..this is far more fun than the NY Times crossword puzzle - thanks for all your effort on this one, Kathryn)

Ah Ha!! #9) AMITC, LA In each film he's been cuckolded by his prior love interest.

#4--"idle rich" but "aristocracy" has the right idea to it, so it's full credit on this one. #9--"speech impediment", but multiple answers are possible, so full credit here, as well. [If "cuckold", SIL and TEP should be added. :-)]

Ooh . .girls was out all day and you started the quiz w/o me! My guess: 15. MOTM, Nostromo Dealing w/ underground scenes (cave/silver mines . .etc:)

Correct, Kimberly. Sorry the quiz started without you. :-) Extra credit will be given for anyone who can give Evelyn's statement about the mine from Nostromo without looking it up. Sorry, Evelyn, you obviously can't answer. :-) Remaining unanswered items are: #6, 8, 10, 11, and 14.

I'll try #11 P&P, COF, Nostromo, SIL, THOTP, Valmont He rode a horse in each of these films?

Thanks for keeping us occupied during this quiet spell, Kathryn! I've been out all day, and have missed a chance to post earlier, but think #11 may be that he is member of landed gentry in all these roles (or is that answer too similar to #4?) BTW Kathryn, you're right, I guessed #13 straight off!!:-))

I thought this was answered . . here's a shot 8. AC, DG ODB was enrolled in all boys schools? . .and were in those luverly uniforms!

What wqas Evelyn"s question about the Nostromo mine? I am listening to the recording of the musical score from Nostromo right now. It is so beautiful. The mine was named : Mina de san tome. Was that the question? SInce I watch that film almost every week (don't know why. It certainly isn't a happy story to watch the moral disintegration of two men, but it is so well done, I can't resist.COnrad isn't my favorite reading, but I can appreciate how skillfully he writes and what an extraordinary job was done to bring Nostromo to the screen. Pardon, I tend to blather on

Trying another: 14. COF, SIL, AMITC, TDBS, TWOMH, Nostromo I'm thinking mustache/facial hair

Linda - abt 14 - then she should throw Londoninum in that one too!

(Kathy) Extra credit will be given for anyone who can give Evelyn's statement about the mine from Nostromo without looking it up. Sorry, Evelyn, you obviously can't answer. :-) Answer? *Scratching head* LOL. I can't even remember ;-)))

Great work, ladies! It's down to #6 and #10, with the extra credit for Evelyn's even-I-can't-remember-what-I-said statement re: mine in Nostromo. :-) Linda, thanks for joining in and with two correct answers. #14 was facial hair [Kimberly, at this site, I'm loath to use Londinium references more than absolutely necessary. :-)] and #11 was horseback riding [Sorry, Janet, but THOTP wouldn't fit for landed gentry. :-)] Kimbery, your #8 answer is correct--enrolled at a boys' school. Although school was a correct answer for #5 from Tress, FP involves a teacher at a co-ed school and AC and DG involve students at a public boys' school.

6. LA, SLOW, BABAF, TFTHH, WOF - played a writer 10. Conspiracy, TEP, TDBS - airplane (WWII era) or you could say Colin's character worked or had worked for the government

#6--yes, a writer #10--yes, tie-ins to WWII And with Karen's two right answers, that finishes the first half of Part II. Thanks to all the ladies who participated. :-) I will post #16-30 tomorrow, unless people would prefer a day's break.

Please post . .BTW - what was the extra credit? . .If even Evelyn couldn't remember . .now I'm curious to know what she had said:)

I was reminded;-))) In the Nostromo discussion re: symbolism. "He's not shagging his wife; he's shagging the mine." (Thanks Kath )

I bat cleanup. ;-)

Here's the second half from Part Two. Reminder: there may be other threads than what I saw, so multiple answers are possible. Let the not-so-challenging-for-this-group-of-ladies games begin. :-) 16. Valmont, WAGW, GWAPE, BABAF 17. LA, P&P, Valmont, TEOR 18. WAGW, TEP 19. TEP, TDBS 20. AZ, 1919, MOTM, Trauma 21. BJD, WAGW, Londinium, FF, THOTP 22. Valmont, P&P, 1919, SIL 23. Camille, Valmont, LA, SLOW, THOTP 24. TTTOTS, BABAF, TWOMH, TFTHH, 1919, TSG 25. OOTB, Londinium, Playmaker, TFTHH 26. ATA, COF, SIL, TWOMH, TDBS, OOTB 27. AMITC, Nostromo, Hostages, Tumbledown, LE, TIOBE, RV, SLOW, FP, COF, Playmaker, AZ 28. BJD, DQ, SIL 29. SIL, WAGW, HS, Valmont, P&P, MLSF, Playmaker, FF,DG 30. P&P, TTOTS, GWAPE, HS, BJD, TEOR, TEP, ATA, COF, TSG, Camille, Nostromo, LE

Here's a long shot . . 21. BJD, WAGW, Londinium, FF, THOTP His charcters have difficuly saying what they truly feel to their female co-stars till the near end of the film.

Sorry, Kimberly, that won't fit for FF ("You have to marry me!" scene comes early on in the relationship) or THOTP [there's no emotional connection there--just sex--not that there's anything wrong with those scenes, mind you! ;-)]

shot in the dark for #16...he wore a wig for each role

Good night vision, Ada! Yes, wigs is correct.

#18 some of it filmed in Morroco in the desert?

#20 He plays a psychologically troubled character

Yes, Beedee, desert is right, although I don't know if TEP was actually Morroco but who's splitting sands, here, right? :-)

Correct, Linda, for #20. Plans are in the works for a film in which Colin's character ties the sister he loved and murdered to a chair after forcing her to eat a spider and chopping off her blonde hair. Not too many investors are showing interest yet. :-)

I'm good with the not-so-challenging;-) is #22 acted in movies set in consecutive centuries...17th to 20th?

C'mon, Kathryn, give. How is it you can put TEOR in this quiz (#17)? Have you already seen the film, the final film? ;-)

Wow! Good one for you, Ada. I never saw that connection--wish I could claim to because it's brilliant. :-) So, you get a correct answer for #22, but there's still another (less-insightful-one-from-Kathy) allowed.

(Karen)C'mon, Kathryn, give. How is it you can put TEOR in this quiz (#17)? Have you already seen the film, the final film? ;-) Amscray, it's the trivia police! I'm just using available information/pictures that I've procured from your site! :-)))))))))

I only speak English. ;-)

My go at #19: He's a pilot in both movies and #25: He's connected to tv-series in some way (producer or whatever) okay - back to RL, from which this is a lovely diversion. Thanks, Kathy :-)

22. Valmont, P&P, 1919, SIL I've never seen 1919 . .so I'm making a guess . .does it have to do w/ fencing/sword fighting in each?

Way to go, Annette. #19 is pilot and #25 TV/film productions. Sorry it's back to RL for you, but the weekend is near. Good inference skills, Kimberly. #22 is fencing--and it's over to Evelyn for another chance for sybolism with foils. :-)

17. LA, P&P, Valmont, TEOR Ha! . .He gets soaking wet while fully clothed!!!!

Very good for #17, Kimberly. [Note to self--must lobby for "completely-see-through-when-wet" clothing. :-)]

(Kathy)-and it's over to Evelyn for another chance for sybolism with foils. :-) LOL...also canes and cue sticks;-)

With so much action going on at Topic 191, would the clean-up hitter consider stepping from the on-deck circle and back into the dugout until later tomorrow? For anyone wanting last at-bats tonight and tomorrow, questions #21, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30 remain unanswered.

(from Gail, a lurker)#23...ODB in France Had to take a shot Right on the money (or franc, oops, sorry, Euro) Gail!

#23 The French connection? Thanks for the trivia Kathyrn, great job! Sorry I missed all the fun!

Oui (no, not that other homonym!), Maria. You and Gail overlapped, so you both get credit. [I was never this easy a grader when I was a teacher. :-)] Don't stop, though, there are still items left: #21, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30!

Oops..OK, how about #21..Colin's character is with more than one woman in each...

trying another shot...for #26, he plays the cad in each

Sorry, Maria, that won't work because in FF Colin is only involved with one woman, multiple personalities notwithstanding. :-) #21 seems to be causing problems, so maybe it's time for a hint: Focus on the most disturbing trait of Colin's character from the middle film.

Ada takes her shot and, whoosh, it's a three pointer all the way from half- court! Yes, #26 is he plays a cad/bounder. Three for three today, Ada. :-)

Is #24 limited screen time? (am gonna regret staying up late in the morning;-))

"You ought to be in pictures, la, la, la..." Ada, you're definitely ready for your close-up.:-) #24 is limited screen time, and that gives you 4 for 4!

(Kathryn) would the clean-up hitter consider stepping from the on-deck circle and back into the dugout until later tomorrow? I backed up to the locker room and am now out the door into the parking lot.

(Kathryn)#21 seems to be causing problems, so maybe it's time for a hint: Focus on the most disturbing trait of Colin's character from the middle film. A sad testament to the "middle" film is that all I can come up with is that he ate a meat pie and had gas...Thankfully, I don't think that is the thread that binds themm :)

That really is too much of a hint, Kathryn. But it was about the only thing I liked in that movie.

And I'm thankful, too, Maria, that meat pies and gas is not the correct thread. Eeuuuwwww! Ummmmm, I wonder if we're thinking of the same thing, Karen. With #21, 27, 28, 29, and 30 still remaining, maybe it's time for the clean-up hitter to come back into the stadium. :-)

Am truly pathetic at this..My next crack at 21 was that he came down stairs, but I can't recall if he did in L'dum, and then once I started thinking about Hotpig stair scene I kind of stayed there and forgot what I was worrying about...:)

Love your "never surrender" attitude, Maria. :-) By the way, what does one do with one's hands when one surrenders??????? ;-))))))

Number 21 I was thinking it was that he was a 'fighter'. But I don't recall a fight in FF (I remember he didn't wash his hands after his loo break in that one....but that isn't what one does when one surrenders, is it?? LOL! ).

He got beat up in FF, but now I don't recall a fight scene in HPig..LOL! Of course, with my memory, every day is a new beginning....

Tress, Colin's charater did punch (fight) in FF when they were going to dig up the drug bag, so your answer for #21 is correct. Good for you. I was going for punching or fist fights because there are fights in other films, but those were with swords. #21 was based on the "some right crosses are better than others, but two rights don't necessarily make a wrong" concept. :-) And, well, I for one, always wash my hands before surrendering. Wasn't that covered in the 5th grade health curriculum? ;-)

Maria, in THOTP, Colin punches the sherrif after the nasty crack he makes about the gypsy (can't remember her name right now). [I like your "carpe hint" attitude. :-)]

Oh! But wasn't he fighting...or about to fight....with the locals when they were harrassing Samira and her brother (baptising them)? Father Albertus comes around the corner and stops it...were they actually fighting yet though??? Cannot remember! I'm with you Maria...my memory... Will have to start tattooing myself in the Memento manner.

LOL...and I'm slow too! Kathryn cleared it all up....

No fists actually were harmed in the making of that scene, though, Tress. About to fight, yes. :-) Okay, folks, remember my original thread was "punches" and then I took "fighting" and then it made sense to include "fist fighting" and then I threw up my hands and surrendered( but only after I washed them)! :-))))))))

Maybe the last four left are just too hard; Here are clues (with 'pologies to The Bard). For 27, there's a simple hint: He did this then, but you wish he didn't. 28 and 30 have one source of wealth To be found on any library's shelf. Last but not least is number 29. Just pay the piper and you will do fine.

Kathryn, you are too smart at this for me, but with the latest clues, I'll take a guess at # 30: They are all "based" on books.

Yes, Annette, all are adapted from books, or ,in other words, a novel idea!:-)

30. P&P, TTOTS, GWAPE, HS, BJD, TEOR, TEP, ATA, COF, TSG, Camille, Nostromo, LE (Kathryn) all are adapted from books, or ,in other words, a novel idea!:-) Therefore eliminating plays. However, should the list not have included: AMITC, Valmont, and MOTM? How about a short story (TFTHH)? ;-)

28. BJD, DQ, SIL Each of these paid homage to another book/story. BJD (P&P); DQ (Don Quixote) and SIL (Romeo & Juliet) One left, huh?

Has anybody suggested a red thread for 29? If not - could it be dancing? I have really tried to get my little brain to work on something on #27, but I just can't seem to find anything at the moment. Just when I think, I've got something, it doesn't fit some of the movies mentioned. But - sooner or later, someone will figure it out, and I'll be here to salute her :-))) Great fun, Kathryn :-)

29. SIL, WAGW, HS, Valmont, P&P, MLSF, Playmaker, FF,DG I think I have it . .has to do with him dancing/attending a dance?

Mea culpa, Karen-who-only-speaks-English [pull the other one ;-)], I omitted MOTM and AMITC, which were also adapted from novels, on #30. Correct on #28 for paralleling other literary works. Extra credit has been applied for naming them. :-) Annette and Kimberly both get credit for #29 (dancing) since I had waltzed away from my computer for too long to keep up-to-date. :-) Number 27 still remains for a win. That's all right--it's a vice but not a sin.......

(Kathryn)Number 27 still remains for a win. One last chance to redeem myself... He smoked...

Poof! You're right, Maria. Consider yourself redeemed.:-) And that's the end Of the Firth Film Fact Final. My thanks to all the ladies who participated. I had a lot of fun doing this, and I hope you had some fun, too. My fault for not closing tags? Will this work? I hope so....

trying once again or it's over to you, Karen

Okay, I'll do it, then amscray (I'm quick linguistically too). Did not Tommy Judd smoke?

Great fun, thank you Kathryn.

Gosh, I don't remember any scene where Tommy Judd smokes--his hands are too full carrying his book, statue, and torch. :-) And, hey, it looks like I did close tags the second time around [I'm a slow learner, or, professionally speaking, "close-tagged challenged" :-)] A couple of ladies have emailed me, asking for copies of the test and answers. If you email me, I'm happy to oblige.

(Kathryn)And that's the end Of the Firth Film Fact Final. My thanks to all the ladies who participated. I had a lot of fun doing this, and I hope you had some fun, too. Awww, thanks to you! If you're not too busy I'd love another one! I love the games even if I only have the time to pop in and out.

Was wondering . .has anyone ever heard Two Planks and a Passion? Was speaking to Kathryn offline about this . . . am v. curious to hear it. Had put in call to audio/video marketing dept @ BBC - nothing. And emailed Radio 3 - they wern't releasing any copies either . . However I did ask if they were ever going to replay it . . . they said at this time it was not on their schedule . . Wonder if enough of people emailed to request it . .would they perhaps re-air the programme? Email: radio3@bbc.co.uk Website:www.radiotimes.com Just a thought.

Mass emailing of any business isn't advised. Just recently one movie sales agent changed its email address and installed a better filtering system for phone calls. The BBC can probably handle it, but you have to be careful about such things.

(Kimberly) Tried to respond to you by email but my letter was returned (do I have the correct address?). What I can say about Two Planks and a Passion: I,too contacted BBC about rebroadcasting Ninghella"s play (1986) and was told in a polite note that "No" thay had no plans ro rebroacast it and that all such requests were "monitored" (whatever that neans) Maybe if someone gets the idea that there is an interested market, they will take it out of the archives, dust it off, and give us a listen.. "All things come to him who waits" or is it "They also serve who only stand and wait"? Anyway, I am on the trail too. Maybe one of us will succeed.

(Karen)Mass emailing of any business isn't advised. True True . .sigh . . just wanted a listen . .the description of the play seemed right up my alley . . . Carolyn - got the same note from BBC. Guess we'll just have to wait and see . . .

I found this site yesterday (Derek Ridgers was the one who took the 'bald pic', I did not know that before)...just thought it was interesting. ODCM was in good company. Some great pictures (I really like his color pics....the one of Elvis Costello is pretty amazing): http://www.derekridgers.com/archive/pages/Colin_Firth.html

He was kinder to Johnny Depp than he was to Colin. In fact he is kinder to everyone else. Agree that his colored pics are the best. Some imitate de Chirico

Did you see the two naughty Martine McCutcheon pictures? LOL...her legs don't look like tree trunks atall.

But how long ago were those, too? Not that I thought she was too big at the LA premiere, but she does look thinner overall in those pics. And cameras "add" weight.

Do they add height to those heels? ;-) Good thing she's sitting down. Nobody could walk with those.

Thanks, Tress! Nice ones!

(Ev)He was kinder to Johnny Depp than he was to Colin. In fact he is kinder to everyone else. Ahh, well. Now I think that this is a beautiful photo. I believe that this was taken after Tumbledown and he shaved to even things out. I think that it shows his lovely bone structure to great advantage. After the initial shock (those lovely curls)I like it, very much.

I agree, Beedee, I like it very well indeed.

I know it is all a matter of perspective in the shot, however, look at the size of his right hand (perched atop that skinny forearm) supporting his head. The left hand, held higher and behind him , appears more diminutive due to its placement. I wonder what prompted the photographer to present Mr. Firth in this manner.

(Bonnie) I know it is all a matter of perspective in the shot, however, look at the size of his right hand (perched atop that skinny forearm) supporting his head. Love the hand in that pic...it is so distracting to me I barely notice the lack of locks. Though I think he looks just fine in Mr. Clean mode. It does make the chin cleft more visible....he's got nice lips... I wonder what prompted the photographer to present Mr. Firth in this manner. Thought it was very 'theatrical'. For some reason I think he looks like a modern, bald Hamlet...would have loved to have seen the other pics in this collection as I'm sure a few rolls were shot. I like how one eye is hidden and half his face is in shadow. His mum needs to tell him to sit up straight though, he's a bit hunched down.

(Bonnie)I wonder what prompted the photographer to present Mr. Firth in this manner. Wasn't this taken just after he'd finished Tumbledown? His head was partly shaved for the post-op scenes, so I'd assumed he'd take off the rest after filming was complete.

(Yvette)The left hand, held higher and behind him , appears more diminutive due to its placement. That hand almost looks like it belongs to a chid. I think the picture is quite intriguing, but I would need lots of time to adjust to a totally lockless Colin. I could do it, but not easily;-)

(Karen) Good thing she's sitting down. Nobody could walk with those. I went to the professional...I think you may be right. Nobody (not even Bettie) could walk in these. Found one pic close...but I think she is holding v. v. still so as to not topple over...and using that arm in the air for balance. ;-)

(Tress) Thought it was very 'theatrical' Yes, and therefore dramatic! (Janet) Wasn't this taken just after he'd finished Tumbledown? His head was partly shaved for the post-op scenes, so I'd assumed he'd take off the rest after filming was complete. Yes, I realize that. I meant this particular pose with hands so disproportionately displayed :-)

About the pic of the lady in the 6 inch heels. Reminds me of the charater Betty Boop. That really dates me. We used to draw pictures of girls with those realy high heels.. You don't walk in them, you toddle and you hold on to something, anything that is to hand. I guess it's supposed to make your legs look better than nature made them. Heaven knows some of us need all the help we can get, but I do not ever wear high heels. No more, never again!!

Hmm . . on another note . . Just recieved my Region 2 AMITC DVD No special features nor little booklet inside as I had hoped. In the DVD cover there is a pic of Birkin & Moon perched atop a tomb in the graveyard . . Same pic is smaller on back of DVD case and a pic - I believe it is the end pic when Birking turns back to look at the church as he leaves. Can't wait to watch it;)

(Kimberly) Just recieved my Region 2 AMITC DVD No special features nor little booklet inside as I had hoped. Don't they specify if that stuff is included on the DVD on the AmazonUK website? Or did you get it from another vendor?

(Kim)No special features nor little booklet inside as I had hoped. (Dorine)Don't they specify if that stuff is included on the DVD on the AmazonUK website? Or did you get it from another vendor? I got mine too and I could tell from the info on Amazon UK that there would be no extras. I think that the upcoming Another Country (Sept:-))will have the booklet and big time extras, no?

(dorine)Don't they specify if that stuff is included on the DVD on the AmazonUK website? They do . .but I had put my pre-order in a while ago so I guess I forgot . .or maybe didn't even bother to look:) . .Just too eager to get the film . .

(Beedee) I think that the upcoming Another Country (Sept:-))will have the booklet and big time extras, no? I don't know if you can call these big time extras, but it's going to have: - Commentary by director Marek Kanievska and cinematographer Peter Biziou - News itme from the 1984 Cannes Film Festival (will show Colin there) - Discussion of the original play with actors Kenneth Branagh, Rupert Everett and author Julian Mitchell (previously aired on BBC as a regular TV program) - Scrapbook of posters, articles, and photographs - Selections from the original score Didn't know about the latter two. I have my AMITC as well. (Kimberly) In the DVD cover there is a pic of Birkin & Moon perched atop a tomb in the graveyard That was the artwork on the poster and the PAL tape.

(Kim)No special features nor little booklet inside as I had hoped. Ah, could be a blessing in disguise. At least Colin won't have to worry about suing anyone from the commentary;-) Waiting patiently for my copy to arrive.

(Linda) Ah, could be a blessing in disguise. At least Colin won't have to worry about suing anyone from the commentary;-) LOL....You think Natasha would talk smack? Or Ken? "Colin was a crap Hamlet, you want to see a good Hamlet...?? I can recommend one." or "They had to keep shooting him from below because....well because he was on this scaffolding" ;-)

My copy arrived today and is an improvement on the VCR commerical tape. The DVD has crisp coloring, sharp focus, good sound, and there are at least two scenes I noticed that have Colin included in the frame where the tape did not. Even without any special features, this is well worth the investment IMO.

Even without any special features, this is well worth the investment IMO. Tomorrow, tomorrow....... I'm gonna watch a bit of P&P tonight to put it off cause I think this is one that the DH will enjoy but I'm chomping at the proverbial bit! I just love that Mr. Birkin.

Even without any special features, this is well worth the investment IMO. That was our wonderful quiz mistress, Kathryn! Must attribute! You need your props!

(Beedee) That was our wonderful quiz mistress Glad you reminded me. Did you ever look for that fag in AC? (and I don't mean Rupe) ;-)

I've received my new AMITC also but can'tplay it yet becasue my new DVD player is not hooked up until a friend comes to the rescue. Can hardly wait I consider AMITC the most perfect film I have ever seen. There are flawless performances by everyone in the cast The book by JLCarr is a g.em; the film is a jewel. I could go on and on , but I guess I've said enough

(Karen)Did you ever look for that fag in AC? (and I don't mean Rupe) ;-) LOL! I'm ready to bet hard cash right now that there isn't a scene where Tommy smokes, but I will check tonight to be 100% certain. Sorry, can't do it sooner as I will be gone all day.

I just finished checking AC for smoke signals--absolutely none on the horizon--or anywhere else for Tommy Judd. :-)

Thanks for checking it out. Hmmm, it must have been that publicity shot, where TJ is up against the wall with his ratty sweater. For some reason, I thought he was holding a cigarette, but I checked that out as well and he's not.

Poor Kathryn... It must have been torture, having to scrutinize every frame for smoke signals ;o)

Watched HS tonight with my DH. He's a HG fan, poor man! Well, nobody's perfect!! In the opening scene, on the flight to the States, did anyone else think the sleeping boy in the seat behind Colin looked like Will? - I'm almost sure it is him, although I'm surprised this has never been noticed before. I have had a few glasses of wine, I have to admit, so maybe my judgement is a little blurred!!:-))

(Janet ) - I'm almost sure it is him, although I'm surprised this has never been noticed before. I'm sure it is him too. I noticed a while ago and searched. A few sites say that it is him. But some of those sites get their info off of imbd, which Karen has taught me (takes me a while, but I'm gettin' there ;-)) is not the most reliable of sources.

I've just googled him, and lo and behold, Amazon.com show him on cast list as 'boy on airplane'.

I noticed this the last time I watched HS. I also think this is Will. I believe there were pictures of Will with his Dad during the filming. I can't help but like HS. With a better co-star and the stronger ending from the book, this could have been a winner.

Well, that just decided my movie of the evening! lol I, too, like HS, but it could've been a bit better. Now I'll be looking for Will. Interesting that Amazon.com gave his full name, not just first and last.

Yes, it is Will. But the info on the IMDB was submitted by CF fans, as this time, Will did not get a credit as he did in Spidey, where he had a word of dialogue. Merely sitting on a plane does not rate a credit. Standing around in scenes of BJD didn't get Crispen a credit. Will shouldn't have had a credit for occupying a seat. That's how it works.

I can't recall if this was posted, but here's an opportunity for, perhaps, Annette to finally see GWAPE on a big screen: http://www.copenhagenfilmfestival.com/ Girl with a pearl earring 22/8 Dagmar Teatret - 16.40 27/8 Palads - 19.00

One of my favorite sites (this is just addictive if you get started)...but I've hit a snag...think anyone could help me with number 3? ;-) http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/invisible_181.shtml

What a laugh, Tress. The bad news is that #3 is probably about the only one I can get.

(Leslie) The bad news is that #3 is probably about the only one I can get. LOL...But that is a good thing! Bit embarrassing to know some of these films! LOL! I got 6 out of 8 (I need medical help!). There is an LA one that was done recently...have seen BJD 'invisibles' too but cannot find them now.

I knew 2, 3, 6 and guessed on 7. They're pretty cool.

Cute site.

From the same site...ODB has been replaced by Elmo! OH! The humanity! ;-) Judi looks a bit green... ;-)

Thanks for posting the link to Copenhagen Film Festival. Unfortunately it's not possible for me to "travel" to Copenhagen and from what the distributors are telling me, it will only be shown i Copenhagen when released in October. Thought I'd translate the text following the picture, just to let you know other Danes than me are smitten with ODB :-)) "Beautiful as a painting. See two of the greatest moviestars of our time - SJ and CF in PW's directorial debut". GWAPE has already been mentioned in several magazines (unfortunately not accompanied with any interviews), so I hope it gets a little buzz when it opens. And - I know, I'm on the wrong topic, but just wanted to add my thanks to Janet. So good of you to report so soon and what a DH you have :-)))))