Search function button is on the main page of each conference, Joan. Maybe when we get things figured out we could put it on each topic page as well. I have found it most useful, especially given our group's undisciplined way of responding to anything in any topic.

"Search function button is on the main page of each conference," Oh - I thought he was talking about text-yapp - I'm sure there is a way there, too, but I haven't seen it. "especially given our group's undisciplined way of responding to anything in any topic. " This lack of discipline is not restricted to this group. Unless participating in a formal debare, almost nobody stays strictly on topic.

Did somebody eat my cookie this morning?

"Did somebody eat my cookie this morning?" Well, last night I had the choice of chatting in Pemberley or going grocery shopping. I was hungry this morning!

A passing thought - is there anyway to change one's log-on password for Spring? If it's in the help file I missed it...

Anna, you must resign from the conference, I think, then re-up. This means all messages will be new to the new you.

9:105 Anna: is there anyway to change one's log-on password for Spring? Yes - you have to go out to the main menu, and I think it is easy to find from there. (If I go to look now, I will lose my place here!)

I went and looked - here is the link (hopefully) - titled something like modify user info in the main menu. (and I don't think you need to do any resigning to change your password - only if you change your name and you want the change to take effect on a conference you had already joined under the old one.) [http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/userinfo] (just in case the first one doesn't work)

thanks Joan

If you're a shell user you can change your password with the passwd command Then you can synchronize your web password with the command webuser

uuuurk!

uuuurk?

9:110 Terry Then you can synchronize your web password with the command webuser This makes our original ID and our shell ID become one? 9:112 Terry: uuuurk? UNIX shells have that effect on a lot of people! ;-)

It makes them one! Oneness.

Terry, it seems that with a .forward file, mail is BOTH forwarded to the specified address, and also added to the local mailbox /var/mail/USERNAME

First , pardon me if this has been up. I shall read through this whole topic when I get the time.But I want to post my dessert NOW! (Intentional screaming and bad temper.) I have tried three times this afternoon to send a dessert to the trolley thread and it just pushes them down on the floor.Where they disappear completely. So I must send out a warning!Lots of chocolate mousse is seeking it's target somewhere in cyberspace. But seriously I'm quite put out! Is it a case of Your tiny line is froozen or what?

Ann2, you are so cute. Try the remember button. If that does not stick, send me the post and I will put it up.

Ann2, I think this may have been a permissions problem which (I admit) I may have inadvertently caused. I believe it is ok now. Please try again and let me know. Myretta

Anyone? I changed my login to mich instead of my full name but now my Pseudonym changes back and forth between my full name and Mich. It's not related to different sessions but does change between different Topics. Am I doing something wrong?

I think the dessert is still frozen; I can't post to it either

Re: 9:119 - Mich: I changed my login to mich instead of my full name but now my Pseudonym changes back and forth between my full name and Mich. It's not related to different sessions but does change between different Topics. I believe that whatever "real name" was listed when one enters a topic sticks to that topic in perpetuity. (Well, almost) When I changed mine, I had to resign from the Austen conference and then re-join it, and after that, the name change took place in all items. The downside of this is that all one's pointers get re-set to the beginning and everything is considered "new" again.

I just signed up under a different name. I never bothered to resign the first one.(Used the same password for both)

OK, guys. I believe the dessert trolley is now open for business again.

I wish we had called psuedonym "subject" or "headline" so folks would get the idea they can use that to add to the content of their posts or use it as a humorous aside or something. Feel free to type whatever suits your fancy in to the psued box. You can ramble in psued too.

slippage!

"I just signed up under a different name. I never bothered to resign the first one." I thought about doing that, too - but a whole bunch of idle IDs can really clutter up a user list. Terry, do IDs here expire automatically if unused for "x" amount of time? (If that is the case, then nobody has to clean up after such "ghosts".)

Like old soldiers never dying, they just fade away.

Re: 9:128 - Terry: "Like old soldiers never dying, they just fade away." That's a comfort to know. :-) One more question, Terry - why is your HTTP server ("Apache") configured to ask for a cookie before displaying a large graphic? Seems to do it only the first time one asks.

I'm not sure why and I don't have my Apache book here.

Thanks for kind concern Amy and Myretta. Desserts are served this afternoon!

I looked in my Apache book but it's no help! Still looking for the answer to Joan's question.

I can't post to the ball (104), 2 attempts. Has it been frozen perchance?

Anna, I can't find anything wrong with it, but thanks for telling me. I will try to track down Terry or Myretta.

Re: 9:134 - Topic 104 - I'll take a look at it right away.

Amy, Re: Topic 104 - The Ball. You own this topic and the permissions need to be opened up so others can write to it. Either you or Terry can go the the directory and type "chmod 666 _104" and that should take care of it. I'll create a second ballrom in case you don't get to this before 10:00 EST Myretta

Help!!! Why is every item all of a sudden marked new again??? It took 2 minutes to display this item all over again!!! This is the second time this month that this has happened (to me, at least!).

Good girl, Amy. The ballroom should be open now. M

Thanks Myretta. Looks like everybody is late, though, or partied out. Alors...

9:137 not to me Joan

Myretta, I only did what you said chmod 666 _104 Maybe Terry did something else that reset Joan's read messages?

Maybe Terry did something else that reset Joan's read messages? Perhaps so. I need to did deeper into Yapp. Any word on root access?

] word on root access? Not yet

I feel as though I'm nipping into the cloak room to have a chat away from the noisy crowd in the ball room.

Or a smoke on the verandah.

And I'm doing all this with a cat in my bathrobe! I don't know how I'll manage when he goes home.

This isn't linked to yapp conference, is it?

A thought arising from this evening's ball (Austen topic 104). When one post's a new message to a topic it would be nice if the last message read and all the new messages before one's own were displayed, rather than just the message before one's own. Usually the message before one's own is the last message read, but if you get a group all posting at once there can be several messages in between. Then one has to remember the last message read and repost. I realise yapp isn't designed as 'chat' software, but having more than one person posting to a topic at once is bound to happen again, 16/12/97, if not before. (cross posted to yapp)

I've posted the "everything old is new again" problem on the yapp conference. How many have experienced it? (stuff you've already read is showing up as new)

Myretta, I don't have that problem, but I sympathize. What a nusiance, to go through again. It's all charming stuff, but one only has so much time.... Jane

It has happened to me twice already this month. The first time I did re-read it all. And now I am right back where I started. I am most seriously displeased!

The fix for this, for telnetters, is 'fixseen'. I wonder if there is a way to do this on the web?

Terry, what is the cause for the "old is new" trouble? Is there something a user can do to prevent it? Have you been getting my email?

It's a question for Dave. Did you see his response to Anna's question about what he's doing in the next release. A lot of the problems in this release will most likely be fixed inthe next release. And a lot of the features that you would like to see added to yapp can happen if you let Dave know what you need.

I congratulated myself on my good fortune too soon. The dreaded "everything old is new again" syndrome finally hit me too.

(((Will you pardon me for smirking ever so slightly if I do t behind my hand?)))

You have every right, Joan.

(((Will you pardon me for smirking ever so slightly if I do t behind my hand?)))

Hey! I did not smirk more than once, I promise you!

I will just have to take your word for that, now, won't I?

My word is worth its weight in any precious commodity you care to name! :-)

Re-read everything TwicE already...

Any shell people here know how to delete/scribble/edit/whatever a response in the shell version of yapp? When I ask for "help" at the [RFP] prompt I get a large number of options, but it will not allow me to use them: ] [110/115] Respond, forget, or pass? scr 42 ] You don't have permission to affect response 42. (Response 42 is my own posting) Here is what it says is possible: [110/116] Respond, forget, or pass? help Commands available only at this prompt (_'s denote minimal abbreviations): [response range] - display all responses in the specified range cen_sor [#] - censor a response e_nter - enter a new item f_ind "text" - show all responses including a string of text forget - pretend item doen't exist freeze - stop any further responses to this item h_eader - redisplay item header k_ill - delete this item from current conference n_ew - stop reading, and leave responses here as new p_ass - go on to next item po_stpone - go on to next item, leaving responses here as new ps_eudonym - respond to item using a pseudonym r_espond - add a response to this item rem_ember - remove the forgotten status of this item reply [#] - send mail to the author of a response retire - make this item inaccessible to people scr_ibble [#] - censor and scribble over a response st_op - stop reading thaw - let people respond to this item again tree - show diagram of response tree unretire - make this item accessible to people again Other miscellaneous commands available: c_hange [arg] ... - change various parameters cd [directory] - changes the current directory cfdir - change default directory for personal YAPP files d_isplay [arg] ... - displays various parameters da_te [date] - show the result of a date specification def_ine [variable] [type] [value] - defines a variable or command alias ec_ho [string] - prints the specified string of text eval_uate [[range]] "sepstring" - evaluates a separator string h_elp [topic] ... - show help on various topics m_ail [user] - send mail to a specific user source [filename] - execute commands in a batch file t_est [range] - show the result of a range specification uma_sk [value] - sets current umask to value und_efine [variable] - deletes previously defined variable and its value See also: range

]Any shell people here know how to delete/scribble/edit/whatever a response in the shell version of yapp? When I ask for "help" at the [RFP] prompt I get a large number of options, but it will not allow me to use them: Joan, I'll be glad to remove change or remove something for you, if you'll let m know what it is. Leave message here or email me. My address is on the committee list. (the one here isn't working. I've got to fix it).

Thank you Myretta, but I want to be able to do it myself! I would like to be able to clear up messes that I make in a timely manner - before dozens of others have had to wade through them!

Myretta -- it's probably best not to delete a message by editing the raw topics file _[0-9]+ in a text editior, because this might throw off Yapp; it would be much better if we could find out how to enable "scribbling". I was trying to help out Amy, but neither of us could figure out how to do this...

Morning, Henry. Joan told me something we didn't think of. In the shell, while you are reading posts the scribble command shows up when you ask for "help commands" and can be envoked at that point. She was not able to make scribble, work, however, until I made her a host. See a summary of a meeting the other night in the deeper conference, a post by Myretta, under I think the Yapp issues or Austen Unix topic.

Oh, what the heck!

I've done it and it can be a disaster.

]Oh, what the heck! ]I've done it and it can be a disaster. No, no Terry, I was referring to my aborted attempted at a graphic above. I promise to be a good Yapp user.

Joan, as long as you edit only the MESSAGE areas of the file (carefully not changing or deleting any lines that begin with comma + capital letter), then there shouldn't be any major problems -- unless, of course, someone has posted a message to the topic between the time you read the message into your editor and the time you wrote it back out to the file

(carefully not changing or deleting any lines that begin with comma + capital letter), You must be referring to Pico editing? I have seen no such lines in bbs/yapp text.

I haven't much to add to what Henry just said, except that you can most likely tell from content if not from +Caps which parts of the file are messages and which are not.

Well, I found out what "censor" does - and it is NOT edit! Response 168 of 175: Myretta Robens (mrobens) Sat, Jan 4, 1997 (11:43) 3 lines It leaves a CENSORED stamp where the text used to be! Ugh! And I guess scribbling is the same ting but without the CENSORED stamp - but how does one EDIT somte ed Dang! I can't backspace in this Telnet window - and I guess one can't just hop intpo GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! hop into the editor from within this either!

Curiouser and curiouser. Now I am looking at it in web format, and the CENSORED stamp is not there - it looks exactly the same as a "scribbled" response. So why have two commands that do the same thing? I did it to 168 and 172 and there are just headers there with no text. The other thing I meant to say is that when I scribbled on my duplicate post over in topic 110 yesterday, it asked me for confirmation, but "censor" did not, and in fact I didn't think anything had happened to 168 (which was Myretta s) so thought I'd see if it would work on one of my own (172). I thought neither had worked till I went back and read them again.

This is just a nothing message that I will try to censor or scribble on from the REDISPLAY box, If it is still here, you will know that it did not work.

Well, I tried it, and got: Invalid command: scribble 178

Here I am in Telnet window again - I tried one more thing - went into topic 9 with pico and tried adding something to one of my posts. When I did ^X I got a message that the file could not be opened for writing. So, if postings can be edited by a "fairwitness" and I as supposedly one in this conf., how would I go about editing something?

Joan went exploring ] Well, I found out what "censor" does - and it is NOT edit! Maybe the only way to edit is to do in in the /usr/bbs/conf/austen/[_topic files]? ] Dang! I can't backspace in this Telnet window Joan look at my .profile file, modified to use a different shell script that I like much better and which allows destructive backspace. To change to it without modifying the .profile, type tcsh at the prompt. Is that right, Henry? - and I guess one can't just hop intpo GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! hop into the editor from within this either! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ] This is just a nothing message that I will try to censor or scribble on from the REDISPLAY box, If it is still here, you will know that it did not work. This is the box everybody has at the bottom of each topic page? What else can one do -- or what else is one supposed to be able to to -- in it? Only as host? ] Here I am in Telnet window again - I tried one more thing - went into topic 9 with pico and tried adding something to one of my posts. When I did ^X I got a message that the file could not be opened for writing. So, if postings can be edited by a "fairwitness" and I as supposedly one in this conf., how would I go about editing something? We still have to work out this whole file ownership thing, reconciling the Yapp user levels with the UNIX ones, and I'd say, for our conference anyway, be a little more trusting with write access generally.

I meant to add to the thing about file ownership, UNIX did not care you are a fairwitness in Yapp. Yapp does not much care who you are in UNIX, either, it seems in some cases. That pesky little cfadm gets to bully his way around like the general's aide. Which reminds me, Terry, have you any objecting to our changing cfadm's profile config. I can't do anything as that little jerk.

Oh-oh. What's going on this morning? Last three topics I tried to look at in the web interface returned a server error. Usually that is just a blip that trying again recifies. Not so today. No amount of persistence sems to signify. Hmm..

Amy: No, just run it by Dave in yapp or email him mailto://yapp@umich.edu ..if there's any potential problems that could could be caused by messing with cfadm I hope to see you in deeper today with the others. I'd like to get your opinions on some things.

As I already e-mailed to Amy and Joan, to fix the backspace in a telnet shell, you need to either change the configuration of your local telnet program, or to change stty erase '^H' to stty erase '^?' in your shell configuration file. If you're running sh/ksh/bash, then your shell configuration file is ".profile", and if you're running csh or tcsh, then your shell configuration files are ".login" and ".cshrc". I think that tcsh is the easiest to use, and I've been known to "push" it onto others (like Amy...) To change your shell, run the "chsh" program, and change the appropriate line from "/bin/sh" to "/bin/tcsh", or whatever. If you run tcsh as your shell, it will treat both ^H and ^? (a.k.a. DEL a.k.a. ASCII 127) as backspace at the shell level (though this doesn't help you with subordinate programs such as "pico"). Amy, it would probably be best not to run "chsh" on the root and cfadm accounts, unless you know Terry is comfortable with tcsh; to get your own configuration, type "tcsh" on the shell command line, then the commands "source ~amy/.login" and "source ~amy/.cshrc" to get your own accustomed configuration.

Henry, can you help me figure out mime files for Realaudio on barton.spring.com and how to set up www.golftravel.net as a virtual domain on barton.spring.com? Meet me in deeper.

Amy: ] Well, I found out what "censor" does - and it is NOT edit! Maybe the only way to edit is to do in in the /usr/bbs/conf/austen/[_topic files]? Well, as you saw farther on down, that did not work, either. :-( Amy: ] This is just a nothing message that I will try to censor or scribble on from the REDISPLAY box, If it is still here, you will know that it did not work. This is the box everybody has at the bottom of each topic page? What else can one do -- or what else is one supposed to be able to to -- in it? Only as host? You are supposed to be able to type in stuff like message ranges - I am not sure what else might work, but I figured it could not hurt anything to try - worst case outcome is an error message. [grin] Amy: ] Joan look at my .profile file [snip] If I change my .profile, then there are other (different) instances in which I cannot use the backspace key. :-( I think I may eventually be able to fix this in my Telnet app, but I have not taken the time to understand what all that stuff means yet. Amy: ] UNIX did not care you are a fairwitness in Yapp. Right - it was late and I forgot when I was where and who was on first. :-) HC: ] If you're running sh/ksh/bash, HC, how do I tell (in my other shell hosts) what shell I am using? I have got them both to match, and would like this one to match as well. I would rather have them all work the same way than have whatever is "coolest" in some place and not in others. I have enough trouble with UNIX gobbledegook anyway without having to remember different things for different shells!

Run "chsh" or grep your name in /etc/passwd to tell which shell you're using. "sh" and "csh" are the two traditional basic shells, without much user friendliness. "ksh" and "bash" are enhanced versions of "sh", and "tcsh" is an enhanced version of "csh". I think you said you use "csh" elsewhere, so you should upgrade to "tcsh" (it's widely, though not universally, available, on recent Unix systems, and has lots of nifty features...). "tcsh" is backwards-compatible with "csh".

Joan, Type echo $SHELL at your unix prompt and it will tell you what shell you're using. For example, /bin/ksh.

Actually, Myretta, $SHELL is an instruction to subordinate programs as to what shell they should use, but it does not NECESSARILY indicate what the presently-running shell is, or what the login shell is. For example, I have "tcsh" as my login shell, but on the U.Texas Unix systems I have $SHELL set to "csh", so that when other programs open up a sub-shell, they will use the simpler "csh" rather than the big "tcsh" shell...

Point taken, Henry. If Joan has set the SHELL variable in her .profile (or whatever) to something other than the system shell, echo $SHELL will show her whatever she has set there.

HC: ] Run "chsh" or grep your name in /etc/passwd Huh? HC: ] I think you said you use "csh" elsewhere. No - I don't remember what I'm using elsewhere - that's what I'd like to find out. HC: ] and has lots of nifty features...). Which would be completely wasted on me! :-) Myretta: ] If Joan has set the SHELL variable in her .profile (or whatever) to something other than the system shell Who, me? Joan has set nothing to anything - she doesn't even have enough knowledge to make it a dangerous thing. Her rule is: "If you don't know what it is or how it works, don't mess with it." That makes 99% of stuff off limits! ;-)

Joan -- just type "chsh" on spring, and you'll be thrown into your editor and shown your configuration and be given an opportunity to edit it. "fgrep jwinsor /etc/passwd/" will show your account configuration info in a more raw way. And yes, I think even you will be able to grasp at least some of the nifty new features almost at once -- both types of backspaces work, the lefvt and right arrow keys work, the up and down arrow keys do command history. If you then discover the TAB key, you'll have grasped the basic essentials ;-)

"And yes, I think even you will be able to grasp at least some of the nifty new features ' I assure you, you are greatly overestimating my "talents" in this arena; I would be unlikely to recognize a feature if it jumped out and bit me! It makes no difference if your car can go from zero to 60 in six seconds if you never drive it anywhere but in the driveway!

Henry, Amy said something about your scanning more graphical emoticons into her directory. Is this true? and if so can you send me a list of them so I can put them on the tutorial.

Ann, they still need to be snipped apart and worked on a little. Want to help?

What can I do?

I will send you the files. Then you can look at them and we can talk about it.

Speaking of help. The Spring needs help configuring realaudio on http://www.childrenstory.com. We need immeidate help, please get in touch with me or Amy right away if you know how to set up a realaudio server or know someone who can help with this. It's pretty urgent.

Amy, I shall await the files with eager anticipation!