On the other hand, it may be easier for you to tell me where they are, and I can get them myself.

Ann, I am putting the new ones in /~amy/emo This is perplexed (perp.gif). Henry just don't say anything. (He won't like it because the bg will dither and the shape is not round like a 70's happy face.) Just keep it to yourself. Let it soak in on me and I may come around. Or not.

Try again. Ann, I am putting the new ones in /~amy/emo This is perplexed (perp.gif). Henry just don't say anything. (He won't like it because the bg will dither and the shape is not round like a 70's happy face.) Just keep it to yourself. Let it soak in on me and I may come around. Or not.

Actually, Amy, I think the background is "pre-dithered" (the little dots are hard-coded into the .gif). I think the round shape does make for easier recognition as a stylized face, yes...

Amy, look at how it appears at 5 x magnification: The anti-aliasing is for black, not minty green, and the dithering was introduced by the gif-creation program, not by the browser...

I too have been struck new' about 40 minutes ago. Was any of the hosts redecorating at the time perchance?

Look. Just about the time the clock reset. Mrs Columbo we need you.

I'm on the case. Mrs. C

btw, it seems probable that it is as a result of posting while their is 'background' work going on that one is struck new; has anyone informed Dave Thaler of our conclusions? If not I'll post it in Yapp.

]result of posting while their is 'background' the shock was too much for me; that should have read result of loading while there is background I hardly dare hit the submit button, for fear it strikes again

Please post it in yapp. Or email yapp@umich.edu

] Please post it in yapp OK

Is it just me or is anyone else having problems here the last two days? The speed is at a snails pace. It takes me 2 to 3 minutes to load a topic? when loading 1/2 the time I get a message telling server is down or not responding? I thought maybe my network at work was the problem but it's doing the same thing to me at home tonight? Anyone have ideas? help Mich

Mich: Is it just me or is anyone else having problems here the last two days? The speed is at a snails pace. It takes me 2 to 3 minutes to load a topic? Same problem here Mich...something's up...

Slower than molasses in January!

There have apparently been ice storms in the Austin area which have caused power outages. That's why the server has been unavailable and is probably related to other problems.

A new odd thing happened at just after 7:30 central. Topics with new messages I had just read showed up on the main Austen conference page as still unread. When I took the links I found, in each case, no new messages, only a page with the message form only. Hmmmm.

Oh. I bet I know. It is probably a result of putting the date right.

Oh. I bet I know. It is probably a result of putting the date right That would be my guess, Amy.

--- I had just read showed up on the main Austen conference page as still unread. When I took the links I found, in each case, no new messages, only a page with the message form only. Hmmmm. Funny it does but only on 2 topic, Austen in Boston and Terry's new conferences one.

]I had just read showed up on the main Austen conference page as still unread. When I took the links I found, in each case, no new messages, only a page with the message form only. Hmmmm. Curioser and curioser; it's just started doing it to me, topics 113, 114, 117 only.

and also topic 3 in Austen test...

I think the blank topics problem should disappear once we catch up with and pass messages with future dates.

you're right Amy; 113 just disappeared off my 'new' list; it's last time was Jan 9 2020.

Since yesterday, when I select 'new' each topic still displays every single entry since the beginning of the topic. Is anyone else experiencing this? If I select 'activity in the last week' that works OK.

Mary you have been struck by the 'new-is old' bug ( see above discussion). Comiserations from a fellow sufferer

]'new-is old' err; that should have been 'old-is-new'

We've been having clock problems because of the relentless ice storms and power outages hittig the normally benign Austin area. The other day, we had nine power outages in a day. All our recent problems are weather and power surge related. Any member of our unix team with superuser privs can reset the clock if they notice the time is off. The command, at the shell, is called 'time'. Or if you're at an ok prompt type !time

Well, I was struck yesterday with the "everything old is new again" phenomeon, but this had a different twist to it from what I understand from fellow sufferers...only a little over half of my messages were "new again"--from topic 71 and on...??? Curiouser and curiouser! But on the up side, whilst I was "reading" everything again, I hied myself over to the Soliciter's Office and practiced my HTML!!

I've been running webuser on most of the folks here so that your web stuff will now be synchronized with anything you do in unix. This command is fixed now. So your web password should be the same as that in the shell.

"So your web password should be the same as that in the shell." But I didn't want to do that yet, Terry - unless multiple simultaneous logins from the same ID are permitted. I am still at the stage when if I do something in web I want to see what it looks like in bbs, and vice versa. So I am sometimes logged on both as a web user and as a shell user. Now if I try to do that, is it going to refuse me permission, because I am already logged on? (I know that this can be a problem because at tmn they used to allow multiple simultaneous logins, and then changed - and t at means that if one's ISP drops carrier, one can not log back in at all until 15 minutes of inactivity on the previous login has occurred and the server closes the connection at the other end. :-(

It shouldn't cause any problems like you describe. I haven't had any problems being synched like this for months.

for the log; I was struck new again about 5-10 minutes ago, after spring temporarily stopped responding for 5 mins. Backroom activity recorded?

Anna, you experienced one of the power outages that have been happening frequently. Stay tuned, a major ice storm and freezing weather is headed this way again. It's just moving into the area.

AMY AMY AMY AMY Just change provider and am now with Explorer since it comes with Win95. Major problem : been trying to e-mail you all day. Always returned as undeliverable. Please e-mail me at dagetter@dsuper.net.

Johanne, why don't you use spring.com as your popmail server?

Actually, can not understand what I'm doing wrong, but unable to use internet mail in and out. This is my only source out there, somebody please e-mail my, Terry, Caroline, anyone... Amazing how desperate you get when you can not connect anymore.

Hi Terry, glad someone's there. What do you mean popmail server? and BTW were should I go to change my e-mail address on you conference?

Testing one two for new e-mail

Yes, it's getting very cold here, Terry. No power outages yet where I am (central Austin), though...

This server is located in North Austin, Henry. Johanne, I ( or any member of the unix team) can set up an account for you and then you can get your mail at johanne@spring.com. Just let us know if you want it. Popmail is the way Netscape gets mail, it pulls it off of our popmail server.

Johanne, who is your new provider? If anyone else here is using the same one, perhaps they can help you configure your software for mail. Configuring for the first time can be confusing and frustrating, but once you get all of the necessary info in the right places it should all run smoothly.

Terry: I've been running webuser on most of the folks here so that your web stuff will now be synchronized with anything you do in unix. This command is fixed now. So your web password should be the same as that in the shell. Terry, are you sure it worked? I wasn't thinking about it when I logged in and I used my old web password, and it worked. I thought I should have had to use the shell password???

I don't think I did yours. Do you want me to?

I'd prefer to stay the way I am for a little longer if it's OK - I do intend to merge once I get my conceptual map completed.

Follow-up to 137:11. I tried to 'remember' one of my 'forgotten' topics by clicking on the remember button; I was asked for my user name and password, then returned to the forgotten list; the topic remained forgotten. I tried a couple of times; still forgotten. I checked; I don't see it in the 'all' list. It's of no importance - I picked an extinct topic to be unread, but I can't help wondering; has anyone ever successfully 'remembered' a 'forgotten' topic?

Have you tried doing it in the shell?

Have you tried doing it in the shell? This is not really the point - if that option is going to be offered to web browser users (the button is there) then it ought to work in the web version.

]Have you tried doing it in the shell? me? shell Terry, only uinder conditions of dire emergency would I attempt such a thing! I don't have, and have never aspired to, a shell account.

Exsqueeze me!

A little UNIX help for me and Bernie? Log from chat: From: Bernie at 1/15/97 10:32 AM Amy, call me stupid. I've been trying to organise mail collection in the Spring account. I typed in "set ma" to flag this option and when I display the flag it says that it's switched on. OK, now if I logout and come back in again and I look at my mail options that flag is switched off again. So what am I doing wrong ? I told you I was useless at UNIX :( From : Amy Oh, I am worthless with most of that non-web, sysadmin stuff Bern. But I will copy your explanation here and ask Myretta or somebody about it in the help topic. Maybe your profile needs to be changed, but I can't run pico myself due to a terminal emulation problem, though I can in my other shell accounts with the same troublesome telnet ap, so I think it's something that needs to be configured on Spring's end -- not on your account level I will try to find out and understand it for both of us.

A little UNIX help for me and Bernie? When you set a variable at the command line, it only lasts as long as the session during which you set it. It should be added to your .profile if you want it to be invoked each time you log on. If you are having trouble with the editor, please tell me what you want set and I'll be glad to do it for you. Myretta

Actually, I didn't mean pico, Myretta. We were talking about mail. I meant Pine. I always say that wrong. I do have pico now, Terry set it for me, and Henry set my shell to tcsh. I would like to know how to do this sort of thing for myself and for others. Thanks.

Amy, I'd be glad to meet you in the office and walk you through anything I can help with. Or I'll post directions here. I guess I'm not really clear on what you want to do. Do you want to edit your .profile? Let me know.

Amy, the command to set one's login shell is "chsh". Maybe I could look at your configuration files on the other systems to see if there are any differences in, for example, stty commands...

Wasn't sure which topic to add this under; decided it would fit in better here than "Best of chat":

Henry -- I am truly concerned for Joan's safety and sanity. I do hope that some of you computer "beasty tamers" will make certain that she comes to no harm. (I love the "no apple" signs!)

HC: Wasn't sure which topic to add this under; decided it would fit in better here than "Best of chat": Sir, you are too cruel, for it is obvious that it is escape that I would wish for rather than "help"! Kathleen: (I love the "no apple" signs!) That is the scariest part of the whole graphic! On the whole, however, I must express myself as being quite

I wanted to put links to some of the Goled Globe winners.I guess the pictures expired from cache.

Donna, thanks for starting a Golden Globes awardin the movies conference. Starting topics topic in other conferences is a healthy trend to be encouraged. Will you please post a list of the winners in this topic? That would be helpful because some folks, like me right at this moment, don't have access to a web browser (I'm on notebook with terminal only).

Supporting actress,motion picture: *Lauren Bacall*,"The Mirror Has Two Faces." Supporting actor,motion picture: *Edward Norton*,"Primal Fear." Actor,TV series musical or comedy: *John Lithgow*,"3rd Rock From the Sun" Actress,TV series musical or comedy: *Helen Hunt*,"Mad About You." TV series,musical or comedy: "3rd Rock From the Sun." Director,motion picture: *Milos Forman*, " The People vs.Larry Flynt." Supporting actress,TV series, miniseries or TV movie: *Kathy Bates*, "Late Shift"(HBO) Supporting actor,TV series,miniseries or TV movie: *IanMcKellen* "Rasputin."(HBO) Original score,motion picture: *Gabriel Yared*, *"English Patient*." Miniseries or TV movie: "*Rasputin*." Actor,motion picture musical or comedy: *Tom Cruise*,"Jerry Maguire." Actress,motion picture musical or comedy: *Madonna*,"Evita." Cecil B. DeMille Award: *Dustin Hoffman* Actress, miniseries or TV movie: *Helen Mirren*,"Losing Chase." Actor,miniseries or TV movie: *Alan Rickman*, "Rasputin." Actress, TV drama series: *Gillian Anderson*, "The X-Files"(Fox). Actor,TV drama series: *David Duchovny*, "The X-Files." TV series, drama: "*The X-FIles*." Original song,motion picture: "You Must Love Me"(from Evita"),music by *Andrew Loyd Webber*, lyrics by *Tim Rice*. Screenplay,motion picture: "The People vs Larry Flynt," *Scott Alexander* and *Larry Karaszewski*. Foreign language film: "Kolya,"the *Czech Republic*. Motion picture, musical or comedy: "*Evita*." Actress,motion picture drama: *Brenda Blethyn*, "Secrets and Lies." Actor,motion picture drama: *Geoffrey Rush*, "Shine." Motion picture, drama: *"The English Patient*." I did enjoy everyones exception speeches.It just seemed that everyone was having a hard time getting up to the stage. Donna I hope this works

Very complete list, Donna, thanks. No CF sighting at this event unfortunately (or did I miss something?) BTW, I think you mean 'acceptance', but there were a few I heard that could be classified as 'exceptions' as well.

Thanks Mary,BTW he was mentioned as part of the cast.

Yah, he was the LAST one named! But at least he WAS named..

I think you're right, Donna...

When i click on "Live Chat in the Pemberly Drawing Room" all i get is rules that I do not understand and no CHAT............can anyone help

TJ...I left you a note with instructions on the Best of Chat topic...email me if you need more help. clsneed@ix.netcom.com

Or if you still have trouble, TJ, copy the garbage you get and paste it in here so we can better diagnose.

TJ, could you describe this a little more exactly? I've used this link and it's worked. Can someone post the exact link to Pemberly chat so TJ can bookmark it and find his way there?

1. Only need to add you name; 2. Specify Pemberley Drawing Room 3., others infos are optional http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin/Chat/nph-chat.cgi

1. Only need to add you name; 2. Specify Pemberley Drawing Room 3. Click on Enter Chat Room button ps : other infos are optional for your pleasurable enjoyment : http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin/Chat/nph-chat.cgi

Also, unlike many other chatrooms, new postings do not automatically appear. Once you get in, you must either make a posting of your own, or click on the "New Messages" button in order to see what others are saying. New people often wander in and do not see anyone answering their greeting (because they did not click "New Mesages") and then leave disappointed! This chat software must also have been invented by someone who reads in the Asian manner. The newest messages are at the top of the page, not the bottom.

Now why did the html editor not tell me that my tag was messed up! Sorry about that!

My finger is too heavy on the shift key!

(Did someone turn off the html editor? It just let me submit a posting with nothing but a closing tag! It should have complained about that, too!)

The filter may not be set up to look for a [u] tag, Joan. We can check.

We're supposed to have 'sanity checking'. For tags, that is.

Using netscape gold 3.1 as in Amy's memo, typed telnet:www.spring.com, nothing happens, normal? think not. furthermore : got netmeeting : is uls.microsoft.com the right uls for get in contact with terry or amy?

uls1.microsoft.com, Johanne. Sorry I have not been around more to help. Arnessa needs some basic help in the shell too. Maybe we can all do it togehter.

Joan, the reason why Yapp hasn't been set up by default to check [u][/u] is that [u][/u] is not really a standard HTML tag. You should really use [i] or [b] instead, because they are more widely supported, and because [u] can create confusion with links (which are also underlined in many browsers)...

Oh, and when I am on, I use the nickname "Your mom." It helps a lot with harrassment. What horny little 19 year old will want to deal with that?

Is extra-heavy-drooling material the norm at uls.microsoft.com ? was amazed at the mentions

All the channels are like that J.

Johanne, Try typing telnet://www.spring.com. Provided you've configuered Netscape to locate a telnet program this should work.

Terry: "We're supposed to have 'sanity checking'. For tags, that is.' What does sanity checking mean? HC:[u][/u] is not really a standard HTML tag. You should really use [i] or [b] instead, because they are more widely supported, and because [u] can create confusion with links (which are also underlined in many browsers)... My dear HC, a single word underlined for emphasis bears no resemblance at all to a link in anyone's browser. And I refuse to have my formatting preferences limited by the arbitrary whims of some scruffy browser author who wishes to dictate style by fiat! I have had the html watchdog recall postings that just accidentally included an angle bracket without any legimate tag in it at all - just for having an angle bracket. So why it should let me get away with a complete tag (no matter what was inside the brackets) that was not followed by a closing tag, is beyond my comprehension! (so there!) ;-)

My dear Joan, it's not merely the browser authors, but the HTML standard-setters, who have so far conspicuously failed to include [u] in any HTML standard of note (HTML 2.0, HTML 3.2, whatever). Look at the HTML guide at http://www.werbach.com/barebones/ in which [u] is listed as "not widely implemented". Furthermore, in the real world of designing and publishing printed material, underlining is considered ugly and amateurish -- pick up a typical book or magazine, and look at how much underlining you can find, as compared to italicizing and bolding. Since [u] is not on Yapp's list of tags to check for, it considers it a no-account trash tag, and lets you do whatever you want with it... (For all it knows, [u] could be a non-terminating tag like [br], [hr] or [img].)

Maybe an old problem, but new to me or is it just that I have reached this level of awareness, that permits me to describe it to myself and anybody kind enough to give advice. When I was trying out favourite websites of others, and used the 'back' knob in netscape's tool line, I did not get back to topic or even spring. What is wrong? Screen message: Data missing! If you want to reload... AHAA Ithought to myself, this rings a bell of warning...is this what leads to the notorious 'all new' that so many have been lamenting about? However when I clicked at underlined Go I was able to return.

Ann, when you get that reload screen, just hit the back button again (maybe twice). It should work. If you reload at that time, you will repost what was already posted--leading to double entries you see around here a lot.

Ann2 -- The difficulties in using the browser "back" button have to do with "no-cache" HTTP headers issued by Yapp -- a different problem than "old is new".

I have encountered this problem -- but clicking on the reload icon got me back to where I had been, and w/o posting a message (blank or otherwise).

Kathleen: but clicking on the reload icon got me back to where I had been, and w/o posting a message (blank or otherwise). I'll bet that is because you had not posted anything in the topic yet before you used "back" - and I'll also bet that if you had some "new" postings displayed, when you did get back they were no longer visible. A most irritating bug!

The Spring server is dishing out multiple helpings of SERVER ERROR messages this evening. At about 5:25 PST it gave me 5 in a row but finally connected from the main menu - at which time it looked as if Austen had been struck with Old-is-new again - it listed 167 topics as being new - but when I entered, it turned out to be a false alarm - THANK GOODNESS! But the server errors continue.....

Same with me on Monday : multiple Server error, old is new on one topic but all was well after that

multiple Server error, Monday AM. Couldn't see anything immediately wrong with system.

Does anyone know what happened to the next topic button? It seems to have been replaced by a hand written one?????

Gee, I wonder who's to blame? >>>>><<<<<

Geez! what a tattle-tale! ;-)

And also, sometimes that button is "Previous Topic" and sometimes "Next Topic." Can it be changed to always be Next Topic?

Terry, I take it you don't like my experiment. I don't know if you have been following our ongoing button saga. It seems it is impossible to change buttons on a conference by conference basis. You would probably agree that the green, red and blue buttons look ghastly with our regency green. So what to do? I'll keep at it in hopes of finding something that blends better with both color schemes. Though, truthfully? I made the Middlemarch and drool conferencs to match the buttons? And I am starting to like their looks. All things considered, though, it might be best to have a more neutral button, so that conferences do not have to be designed around them. No?