Those who had trouble with your password authentication, please describe how you finally got it to work so we can advise others.

Amy, I'm not sure what exactly I did. When the PW failed I backed out and chose a new user name and then chose the same PW and it worked !?! Katherine

Amy, I went into to TV instead of scrolling down to find austin. Actually Cheryl was nice enough to expalin it to while we were on the chat line. Happy to be back talking P&P Mich

The same thing happened to me, it kept booting me out then finally strangely it worked. I am so glad we can use this. Laura

Amy or Terry, will hitting the "new" button under ranges display for me the new messages for today or the new ones since I was here last? If the latter: cool!

Amy, I just loged in via your former board and the address you put up. It must have been a problem with the system because it works fine now.

For somw reason, when I use Amy's link I can not enter this site. I think the reason is that Amy lists the address as http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all When I come, I type in http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austen/all That seems to work for me. Hope that helps.

For some reason, when I use Amy's link I can not enter this site. I think the reason is that Amy lists the address as http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all When I come, I type in http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austen/all That seems to work for me. Hope that helps.

Sorry that went through twice, I didn't mean to hit the button again. By the way it's really cool how this program automatically turned those adresses into links!

No problems here (Fri evening, EST) w/ the link or the password. Also, my response box automatically wraps my text. I have Netscape 3.0 as my browser, if that matters.

Two protocol questions:- When I finish a session, should I be logging off somewhere? I haven't seen a log-off screen, so I've just been closing my browser - I hope I'm not leaving any loose chains lying around... If I log-on using different computers (one at home, the other at work - different ISPs), will the 'new' button work, ie, is the info at to which messages I've already read stored on my pc or by spring? Thanks for any help, Anna

Anna, I don't know a lot of answers yet. I don't log off. As for different computers, I think and new messages, I am pretty sure it is your user name that determines what messages you see, not your browser's memory of where you have been. So, yes, you can log on with the same user name on a different computer and your history should remain intact.

Thanks Amy - if things work out other wise I'll let you know. Anna

Over in topic 2 where people have been posting introductions there seem to be some problems with repeated postings. I had a particularly confusing experience in that topic, where I first entered my text and pushed the submit button (only once) and only one posting resulted, BUT it only had the first line of my text in it. Thinking that maybe I had to come in again in order to see my own post properly, I left the topic and then returned. Still only one line. So I began anew. This time the entire text ppeared after submission, so I left the topic having posted one one-line message and one complete one. When I returned the next day, however, I found first my complete posting, followed by TWO completely empty postings - and the one-liner was nowhere to be seen. How this came to pass I know not! But it does call to mind a useful question. Do we have the ability to remove postings that we may inadvertently have messed up here?

Take a look at the first several postings (not mine!) in topic 5. It appears that in almost every case if a paragraph gets to be longer than 6 lines, the 5th or 6th line is broken in the middle - occasionally even in the middle of a word. Why does this happen? Or more usefully, how is it to be prevented?

My problem is that I've had to get out of the habit of using the 'back' button, because every time I do my screen goes blank except for a "DATA MISSING" message, and then I have to reload. The first time I logged in it kicked me out, and when I went back it told me that the name I had chosed was already in use. I then started again, and it simply accepted both my name and the password, even though I thought it hadn't actually received them. I only hope that it doesn't put two identical messages down ev ry time I post!

We have a delete command but you have to have telnet access to use it right now. The *best* place to ask technical questions about the software's functioning is in the yapp conference which is emailed to the folks that created the software. How many folks here use telnet or want telnet accounts so they can have more options?

And regarding the questions about the 'new' button. It is based on your username and remembers what you've read. This is so you don't have to keep re-reading the same stuff.

Yes, apparently you should make a start on a new line (i.e. make line break or paragraph break) every so often in the posting text entry box, or it will break the paragraph after a certain number of characters....

] Terry: ] How many folks here use telnet or want telnet accounts so they can have more options?" This assumes an account here to Telnet into, does it not? One can not just Telnet into a specific conference? I do use telnet, but for use here in this conference, I would be unlikely to do so except to remove (or repair?) a messed-up posting. ] HC: ] Yes, apparently you should make a start on a new line (i.e. make line break or paragraph break) every so often in the posting text entry box, or it will break the paragraph after a certain number of characters.... Ugh! I hate having stuff like that "dictated" or imposed upon me - prefer to have control over my own text! (BTW, it also bugs me that html will not permit the "2 spaces after a period" convention. It really does make reading, especially on a screen, a lot easier on the eyes.) Another strange thing just happened. This is my second attempt to submit this - the first time, I made a tag error, and was quite gratified to find that instead of posting it messed up, it gave me an error message and what looked like a chance to repair the mistake before posting - so I did, and submitted again, but it did not post. Joan, too

Joan, that would be something to mention in the yapp conference, as well the comments on the text breaking. The forced text breaks can be changed to allow no text breaking.

The forced text breaks can be changed to allow no text breaking. By the author of the post? How is this accomplished?

Oh, is there a way to get into a topic that is not shown in one's list of topics because there was nothing new in it without having to go back into "all" mode? For example, if there had not been a new post in here, this topic would not have

A couple of other thoughts - hitting "Next Topic" when there is no next topic is confusing, because nothing at all happens and one is not sure whether something is broken - would be good if it could display a message saying "already at last topic" or somesuch when one is already at the last topic. Can I change my userID? Now that I see how the "full name" and user ID are dispslayed here, I'd like to use my "pseudonym" instead - if punctuation is allowed in a User ID. Joan, too

Joan suggested: ] A couple of other thoughts - hitting "Next Topic" when there is no next topic is confusing, because nothing at all happens and one is not sure whether something is broken - would be good if it could display a message saying "already at last topic" or somesuch when one is already at the last topic. _______________________ Either that or have it cycle back round to the first topic to catch new messages that might have been posted while one has been reading. Amy

A good thought! - but eventually such a cycle will still end up at a point where there will be nothing new to display, and THEN that message indicating that this is the end would still be helpful.

Earlier this evening, I went out to the main menu and tried changing my "full name" - and it appeared to "take" in that screen, and even in yapp, but here, the change is being ignored. Very puzzling!

] The *best* place to ask technical questions about the software's functioning is in the yapp conference which is emailed to the folks that created the software. ________________ Terry, we kind of need a place to kvetch among ourselves and help each other also. Therefore this topic. Would you continue to point out when especially think a point should be reported to the Yapp conference? It will give Ian some guidance. He has volunteered to be our emissary to the Yapp conference, summarizing the stuff here so we don't flood the developer's conference with our tiresomewhiney remarks about why we prefer branching and all that sort of thing. By the way, I am missing branching too. Like Joan said here earlier, the chief drawback to this format is not having an easy way to respond to a specific post -- especially a specific post that is not necessarily the one immediately previous. And even when responding to the one immediately previous, there is a problem when you have the new function turned on. Example: I guess the way to see what you are responding to is to use the "Redisplay starting from response number | | " function. But then you have to guess how far back to look. The solution is to quote, maybe. You mentioned how "well" the format worked at the Well. Quite true, that place cooked. Did they have auto quoting there? How did --- or do --- they manage to know to what something refers? I hope you do not take our critiquing as critisism. We are seeking the best format for us. God knows, as your guests we do not want to offend. But we do know what we like and I hope our comments may prove helpful to the developer rather than offensive. Amy

Your comments are very useful and whatever suggestions do filter over to the yapp conference by way of an emmissary will be taken seriously. You call also replace the zero in the redisplay from box with a number range, for example 6-20 which will show you on these responses. Right now, your response is 28 so I could specify the range 26-28 to see the previous threee responses. This will draw up on the screen much faster than going all the way back to the first response.

Amy, on your board I could slowly teach myself html, because in the quoted material I could see how they did it. Is there any way to see how the tricks are done on the spring board? I'm still limited to italics and bold, whilst others are playing with the butterflies. I'd like to play to, hopefully A

Anna, we will put some stuff in the FAQ. For now let's say you want to do the Groucho image. I don't know all the HTML tags either, like the ones that let you show code, especially within Perl, so imagine my square brackets [ ] are really the same pointy brackets you use in your tags for bold and italic. I don't even know how this will show up here. If if doesn't I will do a graphic for you later. type: [IMG SRC="http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/data/groucho.gif"] to get:

Bewdy - thanks Amy

Amy, can I have your opinion on a point of etiquette? As you may have seen I subcultured the P&P1 topic into a new one, in part because I wanted to modify the original question and in part to get people's attention. Should I now freeze the original P&P1 topic (I think I can do that as I started it, although I haven't yet tried) to prevent topic overgrowth, or should I leave it to die a natural death ?

Anna, re creation and freezing I don't know everything yet about how to make the system work best for us, but in general I say yes, please do create a new topic when a thread goes off track. In this case, when you wanted to update and draw attention to a timely topic, I'd think it would be a good idea to freeze the old one which talks abotu old news. It remains preserved, should you ever become PM of Australia and writers want to write your bio. If the old topic is timeless and can provide entertainment for anyone, maybe not freeze it. Like I said, I don't know much more than you do at this point, but your instinct feels right to me.

And you can always 'thaw' it out later.

This %$#@%$@ software makes it VERY easy to lose a half-composed message, because it seems to be issuing some kind of special "no-cache" directives to the browsers. Whenever you get that "Bad HTML, missing quote in tag" box, one's first instinct is always to press the back-button and re-edit and re-submit the original message -- but if one does this, the preceding page is re-loaded directly from Spring, and the form entries are lost!!! So basically, one has to start over from scratch. Even if one suppresses this natural instinctive reaction, there can still be problems. Over in the "enigmatic messages" thread, I was working on a message when I decided to resize my browser window -- and as a result, the page was re-loaded from Spring, and my half-completed message was lost! Furthermore, this "no-cache thing makes the board slower to use. I have to say that it's actually better to use this site with Lynx than Netscape, since Lynx keeps a cache -- I can reload only when I choose to reload. Furthermore, my message contained a long [IMG] tag, and when this was spread over several lines, the software generated [BR] tags _inseide_ the image tag!! -- [IMG SRC="URL" ALT="This [BR]is an explanatory [BR]message"] (Square brackets for angle brackets here.) These two problems account for my first two attempts to post the http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~churchyh/passione.gif image to the "enigmatic messages" thread turning out to be complete botches -- could you delete those two?

HC, I have had problems with exactly the same thing, but could not describe it half so specifically as you have done. HELP!!! Why does that buffer have to clear so soon. This is why I have decided never to type more than a couple of lines directly into this unfriendly text window. I now type into a text editor, and paste it in here, so that if it gets mangled, I don't have to start all over again. but this is hardly ideal!

Hey, Ian, when are you gonna start collecting and summarizing these for the Yapp conference? Where have you been anyway, buddy? Anybody want to volunteer til Ian gets caught up on his online bill? Ian you gotta get an unlimited account, loyal though you are to Hunter, or make them offer it for you. Entrance to this addiction should carry a warning label: Pay for you time? Don't even start. I see addresses from commercial services and I almost cry. Though now, I understand AOL has an unlimited time deal. Anyway. I know, H.The same thing has happened to me. I will delete the flubs as soon as my file permissions are set to edit the topic files as well as the headers. You want a new honorary virtual delete key? The cache thing, Terry? What is the reason? Do any benefits outweigh the negatives? RE the wrap thing: H said, Furthermore, my message contained a long [IMG] tag, and when this was spread over several lines, the software generated [BR] tags _inseide_ the image tag!! (And he musta been pretty steamed, too, because I have never seen him use more than one exclamation point unless he was parodying someone or something.) This might be due to specifying "wrap=virtual" in the textarea tag instead of "wrap=soft." Soft does not put in line breaks. But I could be just babbling.

3 things: 1. Anybody else notice that at the main menu: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/main there are nearly always fewer new messages indicated that there actually are? 2. Anyone else having trouble with their forget and remember buttons? I could swear "forget" gets inadvertently turned on in certain topics. And when I hit "remember," it does not seem to stick. 3. Terry I know you like Dave to see our comments, but I really do like having a place to sound off on our own, because doesn't the Yapp conference go to all Dave's clients? Dave can come over here -- and I see he has already done so -- if if wants to hear the full dose. Meanwhile -- Ian -- you gonna do that summary to Yapp job or not? (You know your mommy loves you and does not wish to scold -- but, are you going to do it?) Amy

I think you're bringing some much needed energy to the yapp conference. How can Dave make yapp better without some real feedback? And having the "full dose" here is great! Dave is *very good* at incorporating requests into new versions of his software. Be careful, you'll almost surely get what you ask for. And you get more than three wishes.

Just tried to use the bold and italic HTML tags for the same sentence and got an error message about overlapping HTML commands. Does this software not allow one to do both simultaneously? Sometimes the only way I can express myself is to be both bold and italicized !

It worked that time Cheryl.

Cheryl, it probably was complaining about stuff like [B][I]wow![/B][/I]. That 's BAD HTML, because "[B][I]" means that "[I]...[/I]" is going to be included inside "[B]...[/B]", but you closed off "B" before you closed off "I". You need to "pop off" nested elements in the opposite order that you "pushed them on", to use the computer science "stack" metaphor..

Ok, HC. let's give it a try.

Very cool! Thanks, H.C.!

I am just trying to be bold now as I have not Htmlled for several weeks now !

Ann2, we are so glad to see you again.

Moved from topic 52 Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (09:52) | Ann (Ann) Am I the only one who can't read topic #32? Every time I try to load it Netscape completely crashes. 2 new of 2 responses total. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 52 of 52 [austen]: Topic 32 crashes my system! Response 1 of 2: Amy Bellinger (Amy) * Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (10:25) * 5 lines Ann, I am moving this to the HELP! topic, freezing this topic for a day or so, then it will be gone. Did your trouble happen after you tried to link to FOF then come back? If so it may be part of the no-cache thing. Amy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 52 of 52 [austen]: Topic 32 crashes my system! Response 2 of 2: Amy Bellinger (Amy) * Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (10:26) * 1 lines Guess I won't freeze it, got a server error. Now I might as well repost both this messages to help!

It seems to be ok.

I also crashed on topic #32--yapp said they thought it was a netscape error. I've given up since I can never get a human being on the line when I call netscape. What is the content of topic 32 other than the 2 TEP premiere photos that ate retrievable through the FOF website?

When I tried to access topic #11 this afternoon, I got a server error, #11 has disappeared from my topic index page ever since. If I access file 11 matually, I get a topic page with only #11. Is it just me ? Zimei

How are you accessing it manually? The only way that I know of is to change from "new' mode to "all", and then you should be able to get all of it.

Joan too, I just change the filename on the location line. You might have already noticed that the filename corresponds to topic number. There are two directory trees browse for topic listings and read for reading the messages under specific topics. For example: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austen/9 will get you this page, while http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/9 will get you a topic page with only #9. (that's what happened with the one topic page I mentioned in my previous message.) I sometimes access several inconsective topics directly this way instead of going back to the browsing page everytime. Zimei

speaking of server errors; every time (x2) I try to forget a topic I get a server error message. When I went back to the topic I found that it had in fact been forgotten, despite the server's anxieties. Terry, I saw a comment from Amy that she couldn't send you email. ~ 6 days ago I sent you a thank-you for you welcome message; it was returned undeliverable over the week-end. All my other mail has been going through OK. Were you aware that you may have a more general problem?

Terry, did you receive either the message I sent you last night (Friday) from my own ISP and/or the one I sent you tonight (Sat.) from here?

Amy, have you deleted some topics? If not, my 'account' is getting flakey (it's never been quite right since I resigned and rejoined to change my pseudonym); I seem to hve lost a few topics; 25,48,50; they're not there in "all" and I haven't forgotten them. Just wondering...

Let me check, Anna, I know for sure 50 is killed.

] I seem to hve lost a few topics; 25,48,50; ------------- No, you are not missing anything, Anna. Those are all dead topics. Dupes or mistakes. I won't hide anything that has any sort of content.

Anna, "speaking of server errors; every time (x2) I try to forget a topic I get a server error message. When I went back to the topic I found that it had in fact been forgotten, despite the server's anxieties." This is definitely something to report to Dave in the yapp conference! Terry, I saw a comment from Amy that she couldn't send you email. ~ 6 days ago I sent you a thank-you for you welcome message; it was returned undeliverable over the week-end. All my other mail has been going through OK. Were you aware that you may have a more general problem? I'm getting all my mail, it's just that I had copies forwarded to access.spring.com and this machine died a few days ago. So you're getting bounced messages that mail can't get to this machine. Next time you report a mail problem, please reproduce the header if you can with the details of the bounced message. From Amy: Terry, did you receive either the message I sent you last night (Friday) from my own ISP and/or the one I sent you tonight (Sat.) from here? I got them! Amy, I got two connect requests from you this morning on NetMeeting, I tried to answer you, believe me! Keep trying, this technology is worth mastering. The voice talk part reminds me of ham radio though, somethimes the connection is great and sometimes it's lousy.

] Amy, I got two connect requests from you this morning on NetMeeting, I tried to answer you, believe me! ____________ I know. I have trouble on my end. A bunch of relevant Windows files are missing suddenly. I have reinstalled Net Meeting and hope that does it. If not, guess I will have to blow out Windows. Haven't had to do that yet with Win95 Amy

I agree with HC's comments (#36) above. I don't like the no-cache system here. I would like to be able to load the threads, log off my computer, and then read them off line to save on my quota (50 hours/month). I vote for a cache system.

] I vote for a cache system. ____________ Ann, I am not sure this is one of the configurable things. I have not learned enough about it yet, but I think the directive is part and parcel of the functionality in terms of keeping track of what you have read and what you have not read.

] Terry: From Amy: Terry, did you receive either the message I sent you last night (Friday) from my own ISP and/or the one I sent you tonight (Sat.) from here? I got them! Terry that was not from Amy - it was from me. Did you get either of mine? they have not bounced back to me. Joan, too

I believe I got them. I'll recheck my mail. Did you send them to terry@www.spring.com (which I check rarely) or to terry@spring.com (which I check nearly every 5 minutes)?

] Terry"\; Did you send them to terry@www.spring.com (which I check rarely) or to terry@spring.com (which I check nearly every 5 minutes)? I sent 2 of them to the address that is in your header here - which is: "mailto:terry@www.spring.com", and I sent a third to "terry@spring.com" - I see that you have now seen the first 2, but not the one sent to terry@spring.com, which was far more detailed. Did that one not arrive?

I got it, It's just that I've been out of pocket all day. It's been a super day. I got hired! And it's my birthday to boot. It's been a great day! Oh, and I got the Texatel contract!

Haaaaapy Birrrrrrrthdaaaaaaaay toooooo youuuuuuuu! And congratulations, too. (BTW, what do you mean by out of pocket? I always took it to mean short of cash.)

That too! No, what "out of pocket" means is "offline" or not available. Which means I'm mobiling around Austin in my van and talking on the ham radio. If you want to listen in, connect to me on NetMeeting and you can hear me talking and even talk to me on the radio in my van. It's my Internet to mobile connection. So I'm never totally "out of pocket" Maybe broke, but not out of pocket!

Hi Terry Congratulations and Happy Birthday have a good one!

"connect to me on NetMeeting " Isn't that the one that only Windoze 95 folks can use? Many of us are "technologically challenged" in that regard.

Here's the "no-cache" error message that you often get when you relaod (someitmes inadvertently) or try to "go back" -- Is this generated by the browser or the server??

] [TITLE]Missing Post reply data[/TITLE] It must be a browser thing. I have never seen this error message

] [TITLE]Missing Post reply data[/TITLE] This is the same one that I see so often - and I think it actually worked one (1) time. The convenience of being able to have links in postings is completely lost if the first one that you follow destroys your ability to return to where you were to try the others.

Joan -- in Mac Netscape if you hold the mouse pressed down on a link without releasing, you get a menu from with you can select "New Browser Window with this Link" or something like that...

Sorry, my cat submitted that last post. I think it must be the browser. I use back all the time on this board and have never experienced that error. Myretta

Thanks for reminding me about that HC, but that is definitely not intuituve! Myretta, are you saying that when you follow a link froma topic that you haven't finished reading, you can come back and still be where you were when you left off? When I go back even if there is not error message, al that is left is the te xt entry window. And all those messages that I hadn't yet read are marked as seen.

]are you sayingthat when you follow a link froma topic that you haven't finished reading, you can come back andstill be where you were when you left off? Joan - No, I'm not saying that. When I follow a link and return to the board, the current topic is marked as read. What I don't get is thIs error message [TITLE]Missing Post reply data[/TITLE] [H1]Data Missing[/H1]

Myretta, can you follow a link in a posting, or post a followup, and then "go back" to the original display of messages, which may not have finished reading?? Most users of Netscape apparently CAN'T do this, due to the excessive use of no-cache directives.

No, Henry. I can't do that. But I don't get an error message, just screen with no posts. Myretta

Well, don't you think it's annoying that one is not able to do that, then? (I only get the error message sometimes -- not as often as Joan, apparently...)

Absolutely, it's damned annoying and frequently makes me long for the Amy's board.

Is there an easy way to include text from a previous post to which one would like to respond? Linda

If you mean "previous message" to this one, hit "redisplay"

Amy, question for you. OK I log in, check new and begin reading down the list. If I only get to half the list and log out will the half I have not read show the next time I log in? To make that cleared is "new" defined by my reading it or by the last time I logged in? thanks

] Is there an easy way to include text from a previous post to which one would like to respond? ___ Linda, it is pretty manual right now. I just copied and pasted your comment above.

] OK I log in, check new and begin reading down the list. If I only get to half the list and log out will the half I have not read show the next time I log in? To make that cleared is "new" defined by my reading it or by the last time I logged in? ___ I know I can answer the first part of your question, I am not sure about the second. The system will think you have read the whole topic, even if you only read one message, because each topic is just one file. This is the principle difference between this board and our old one, where every message was a different file. Imagine! As for the recognition of your log-in? I am fuzzier about that. Cookies are only vaguely comprehensible to me. However, unlike our dear Joan, I do not mind that they are known by that confectionary moniker. Amy

] Mich: OK I log in, check new and begin reading down the list. If I only get to half the list and log out will the half I have not read show the next time I log in? To make that cleared is "new" defined by my reading it or by the last time I logged in? Yes, the half of the topics that you have not actually opened will still be there and the postings that were considered new, will still be considered new until you actually open that topic. However, if you open a topic that had 20 new postings, and then had to quit after reading only 5 of them, the other 15 will still be counted as having been read, because, as Amy mentioned, each topic is a single file on the server. However, if you need to stop before finishing a topic, if you make note of the response number of the last one that you read, when you return you can go back and see those "skipped over" postings by entering the number of the last response that you actually did read in the little "redisplay" box at the bottom of the screen, and it will go back and show you everything from that message number onward. So to make it clear, "new" is defined by the date of your actually reading any part of a specific topic, not by the date of your last log in.

Now, I would like to know why the "repost this response" thingie doesn't work. I got a warning message saying (truthfully) that I had an unclosed tag. I fixed it, and clicked the" go ahead and post this" button, and it went through the motions, but posted nothing. I like it very much that the software is checking my tags to make sure that I did it right, but it is useless if it then refuses to post your corrected text.

Joan, re error checking. It should work better. What I do for now is make the correction, copy the post and post it as new.

Power users: The green smilies and frownies are now in the /usr/bbs/confs/austen dir so you shouldn't even need a path to put them in. But let's see:

No. What am I thinking. They would have to be in all these kinds of dirs: http://208.199.212.10/yapp-bin/restricted/respond/austen/9/since/-7 Well, not quite so easy but I'll put them in my public_html dir so all you should have to do is go [img src="~amy/ksmile.gif"] (as is getting to be the convention here, square brackets mean pointy brackets)

I certainly do miss not being able to edit my posts. You guys never knew before how much I screwed up. [img src="/~amy/ksmile.gif"] [img src="~amy/kfrown.gif"] [img src="~amy/gsmile.gif"] [img src="~amy/gfrown.gif"]

Thanks Amy

] Amy : I certainly do miss not being able to edit my posts. You guys never knew before how much I screwed up. But think how much better that makes us all feel when we mess up.

BTW, Amy, could you describe to us how to set up our own "public" directory - and give it the proper permissions?

The software here allows you to edit your posts. It would have to be added as an item. We may have talked about this in one of the yapp discussions. You can do a search for the word edit in the yapp conference.

Joan, just type: mkdir public_html chmod a+xr public_html and voilà...

9:97 - Terry: You can do a search for the word edit in the yapp conference. And how is this acomplished, pray tell? (I don't recall seeing anything about searching, though I could well have overlooked it.)

9:98 - Henri: Joan, just type: mkdir public_html chmod a+xr public_html and voil�... Thanks HC - just what I needed. :-)