(Rika)Colin and Jennifer to keep track of the dance AND their dialogue. I bet it took a lot of rehearsal. Lots of takes.

back in 1999 when these responses were posted! You women were insane! LOL...Really insane back in 1997. (Rika) And I agree about wishing I'd been here ages ago. Kath, Leah, Rika...& all I just want to say how much we enjoy all the new folks on the board now.You bring us new enthusiasm and vigor. It's the friendliest it has ever been.No kidding. C'mon you lurkers...come join the fun.

(Rika) And I agree about wishing I'd been here ages ago. I can remember in 1996 being just nuts about P&P - re-watching my home-recorded tape over and over - but not having any friends who were as crazy about it as I was. I was lucky, because immediately after I taped it in '96, I indoctrinated my mother and we formed a mini-drool club of two. We still watch it at the drop of a hat. Still, I thought for the longest that we were alone in our insanity. It's so nice to find out there are others out there! I've run into the "2036 problem" too. Apparently it used to happen from time to time. So I say, let's fill this one up with lots of drool so we can have a new one! I don't think it's that much of a problem, except when I'm trying to read quickly at work, and have to wait forever for it to load. At other times, I actually enjoy reading the old posts. (Evelyn) I just want to say how much we enjoy all the new folks on the board now.You bring us new enthusiasm and vigor. It's the friendliest it has ever been.No kidding What a sweet thing to say! I mean it!

(Rika) The part I can't imagine is how hard it must have been for Colin and Jennifer to keep track of the dance AND their dialogue. I bet it took a lot of rehearsal. (Evelyn) Lots of takes. I would have loved to have seen the outtakes on P&P2. Not just the dancing ones (and I bet there were some good goofs), but just general dialogue as well. I'm sure there were some flubbed lines because it isn't written the way we speak today. I also head (regarding the dance scenes) that one of the dances got messed up because there was a hair on the lense the entire day of filming. They had filmed using two cameras (I think). One stationary and another that was moving. They had to go with the moving shots, because the other film was so messed up. I think they did use a frame or two, because I remember looking for the hair, and it is visible (I think I read this in the "Making of P&P2")...just can't remember if it was the Netherfield Ball or the Meryton Assembly. I'll have to check again. (Rika) And I agree about wishing I'd been here ages ago. I agree with Kathy and Rika. It has been so much fun reading old posts, and I wish I had known about Drool earlier. Very clever, funny ladies prowl here!! I was going to say that I have started "Darcy's Story" by Alymer and it is fairly good so far (in case anyone was on the fence about reading it). I am enjoying it far better than "Diary of Henry Fitzwilliam Darcy", which I never finished. I couldn't take all the errors (and I'm a fairly liberal JA fan). His name is not Henry, the dates were all wrong, he would never consider being an actor, he would never say (let alone write) la-te-dah (or was it fiddle de de?)...anyway, never finshed that one. This one has quite a bit of dialogue lifted right from P&P. The proposal scene is interesting...I'm enjoying his thoughts about his parents, Georgiana and the Bingleys.

(Tress) I would have loved to have seen the outtakes on P&P2. Not just the dancing ones (and I bet there were some good goofs), but just general dialogue as well. I'm sure there were some flubbed lines because it isn't written the way we speak today. I don't have a problem with this - I can recite everyone's lines, including the way they say it, eg 'Is that my nephew, where have you been?', and 'Mr Darcy!'(Mr Bennet speaking to Lizzy after the 2nd proposal). What was their problem??

(Leah) I don't have a problem with this - I can recite everyone's lines, including the way they say it, eg 'Is that my nephew, where have you been?', and 'Mr Darcy!'(Mr Bennet speaking to Lizzy after the 2nd proposal). What was their problem?? I believe they didn't study their lines with quite the intensity with which you appear to have studied their lines. ;-) I can't explain to myself why some of my favorite lines ARE my favorites, such as "Drive on, Rossiter" and "Have a care, Dawkins." Or why I positively MUST see that squinty-eyed look Lady Catherine gives Elizabeth at the end of their first meeting at Rosings, and why it's so important for me to do the hand thing with Mr. Collins whenever LCdB interrupts him.

I believe they didn't study their lines with quite the intensity with which you appear to have studied their lines. ;-) I know, I know...

P&P2 is just so great as evidenced by all the great discussions eight years later. It will always be current viewing and a lively topic of discussion. Great stuff ladies, it's so exciting seeing such a classic through so many brilliant eyes. Thank you.

(Evelyn) Kath, Leah, Rika...& all I just want to say how much we enjoy all the new folks on the board now.You bring us new enthusiasm and vigor. It's the friendliest it has ever been.No kidding. Evelyn, that's so nice of you to say. Some of us newbies have worried that we may be annoying people because we tend to get somewhat boisterous and - well, let's just say it, utterly insane - at times. (Leah) I can recite everyone's lines, including the way they say it, eg 'Is that my nephew, where have you been?' Oh, Leah, I'm sitting here cracking up because her reading on that line ALWAYS makes me laugh! I think I could say it along with her in perfect synchronization. (KathyF) Or why I positively MUST see that squinty-eyed look Lady Catherine gives Elizabeth at the end of their first meeting at Rosings, and why it's so important for me to do the hand thing with Mr. Collins whenever LCdB interrupts him. YES!!! YES!!!! (Sorry - didn't mean to sound like I was having... well, never mind. :-) It's just, I SO understand what you're saying! Isn't it a shame we're all scattered to the winds? It would be so much fun to watch it together. This of course is making me itch to pull out my P&P DVD, but unfortunately it's at home and I'm not. Sigh.....

(Rika) Isn't it a shame we're all scattered to the winds? It would be so much fun to watch it together. Well, there ARE airplanes (and cars, trains, buses). It might be feasible, someday. And it WOULD be a total gas!

(Rika) Evelyn, that's so nice of you to say. Some of us newbies have worried that we may be annoying people because we tend to get somewhat boisterous and - well, let's just say it, utterly insane - at times. Oh Gawd!! If they haven't kicked me off this board yet for insulting virtually everyone (by accident of course) at one point or another, then you *really* don't have to worry. ;-) (BTW, sorry Jeanie re your sim. You know I was kidding ;-)) BTW, thanks Evelyn!

Jeanie, speaking of the Sim, I couldn't see it! Is it gone? (I know you posted it on 166 but I just thought of it and I figured I could contribute to the overall chaos around here by asking the question elsewhere..... rather as Lisa suggested that we do a while back. :-)

(Dorine) Oh Gawd!! If they haven't kicked me off this board yet for insulting virtually everyone (by accident of course) LOL. Have no fear, we know you. But that's the reason I use the ;-) so folks will know I'm teasing, tongue-in cheek ...whatever. Some folks "noses have gotten out of joint" in the past.Not always easy on an international board when one is dealing with different cultures for people to grasp the humor in a remark.I keep using 'em cause I don't want to offend anyone. LOL..Enough of the ;-) lecture!!

(Rika) It would be so much fun to watch it together. What a wonderful time that would be. I don't have anyone near me to do that with. Would surely love to though. And with all of you what fun. It is such a pleasure visiting with all of you every day. I just love you.

(Evelyn) Kath, Leah, Rika...& all I just want to say how much we enjoy all the new folks on the board now.You bring us new enthusiasm and vigor. It's the friendliest it has ever been.No kidding. (Rika) Evelyn, that's so nice of you to say. Some of us newbies have worried that we may be annoying people because we tend to get somewhat boisterous and - well, let's just say it, utterly insane - at times. I have often thought I might be way out of line, simply cuz I'm either too enthusiastic or rambling about something that has already been spoken about months (maybe years) ago. It is an odd feeling to be a newbie on a board with so many who have been together for a while...I feel like the new kid at school (just hoping my clothes are alright and I fit in!)! I really love it here though.... (Rika) Isn't it a shame we're all scattered to the winds? It would be so much fun to watch it together. Like "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"! We could recite all the lines and bring props...there are so many great (and truly funny) moments in P&P2, that it would be a hoot to actually watch it with another person (my DH won't sit through it with me to save his life, and he would make fun anyway, so it's best I leave him out of it). (Evelyn) LOL. Have no fear, we know you. But that's the reason I use the ;-) so folks will know I'm teasing, tongue-in cheek ... Just for the record, I'm always teasing! ;-) (FanPam) What a wonderful time that would be. I don't have anyone near me to do that with. Would surely love to though. And with all of you what fun Someday we'll have to plan a P&P2 / Drool Convention! I am with you Pam, it is great fun to visit here everyday with people who understand the obsession for ODB...I am surrounded by unbelievers! Just shaking their heads, but here, everyone seems to understand (or at least tolerate) me!

Aw heck, this might not be the place for it but with all the positive vibes above, I feel the need for a group hug! (((((((((Drooleurs!)))))))) Pam said: It is such a pleasure visiting with all of you every day. I just love you. I've just spent the last 36 hours taking care of my father who probably just had a stroke and after a short "how-do-you-do" with my family, I come here to decompress. So I ditto Pam.

(Tress) I have often thought I might be way out of line, simply cuz I'm either too enthusiastic or rambling about something that has already been spoken about months (maybe years) ago. It is an odd feeling to be a newbie on a board with so many who have been together for a while...I feel like the new kid at school (just hoping my clothes are alright and I fit in!)! I really love it here though.... IMO there cannot be enough rambling about ODB. That's what I think its all about. I ramble too. And who's better to ramble about than Darcy as an example. He will never get old. Everybody IMO fits in here as seeing things through many different eyes is an advantage IMO. Your clothes are just fine. There are no snobs here. IMO.

(Tress) It is an odd feeling to be a newbie on a board with so many who have been together for a while...I feel like the new kid at school (just hoping my clothes are alright and I fit in!)! I really love it here though.... I think you fit in great. Besides, it may seem like some of us have been here longer than we actually have. I remember feeling the same way when I arrived in June, and then finding out that some of the people I thought were old-timers had only found Drool a few months before I did. Like "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"! Somebody on RoP wrote a Rocky Horror-type set of instructions for viewing P&P2, and it's pretty funny (though I'm sure we could think of some enhancements). Here's a link: http://www.pemberley.com/images/vegas/weekend/rhpp.html

Found this surfing around.....I *really* can't wait to see this. My curiosity is quite piqued. Jane Austen goes Bollywood By Jessica Hodgson, Media Correspondent, Evening Standard 8 November 2002 The Director behind Bend It Like Beckham is to adapt Pride And Prejudice with a Bollywood twist. Cinema audiences flocked to see Gurinder Chadha's tale of a young Asian woman's love affair with football earlier this year. Now Chadha plans to put another British institution, Jane Austen's classic, through the Bollywood filter. "We did Austen at school and I'm sure my English teacher would be shocked," she told Eastern Eye. "But I'm a huge fan of Austen. She was a clever and witty writer." The book's themes of love across social barriers and the restrictive social position of women will work within an Indian setting, she says. "I hope we can do justice to Jane Austen with our script, which follows the book very closely," she added. The Bennet sisters of Pride And Prejudice will become the Bakshi family of India, and Mr Bingley will become a British Asian character called Balraj, who studied at Oxford. Mr Darcy, who eventually wins the heart of Elizabeth Bennet, is to be an American character called Will Darcy, played by a Hollywood actor. Chadha, a former BBC reporter, would not be drawn on who would star. Bend It Like Beckham chronicled a young woman's struggle to play football against the wishes of her Asian parents. Along with the musical Bombay Dreams and the film The Guru, it rode the wave of the summer's Bollywood fervour. However, Chadha's project is not the first Asian adaptation of a Jane Austen novel. Kandukondein (I Have Found It), a Tamil remake of Sense And Sensibility, was a huge Bollywood hit. The BBC's successful 1998 adaptation of Pride And Prejudice starred Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle. Tom Carpenter, a trustee of the Jane Austen Memorial Trust, said: "I see no reason why Pride And Prejudice cannot be updated to modern India. There will be those on the purist side who only want the totally unadulterated version but that doesn't mean people shouldn't adapt or derive from it."

Barb, I just tried to find a good "hug" graphic to download and haven't found one yet, so for the moment, I'll just send my thoughts and prayers your way.

Barb, you and your family will be in my prayers, too. And consider yourself hugged. (Pam) Everybody IMO fits in here as seeing things through many different eyes is an advantage IMO. Your clothes are just fine. There are no snobs here. I think it's wonderful that so many people of varying ages and occupations, representing all parts of the globe, can come together to drool over one actor. Kinda restores my faith in womankind! And I'm glad you can't really see my clothes, because I'm usually in sweats or something equally informal.

(Rika) Somebody on RoP wrote a Rocky Horror-type set of instructions for viewing P&P2, and it's pretty funny (though I'm sure we could think of some enhancements). ROTFL....some of these are great! Some favs: "I long for a ball!" (an addition I would add would be to throw tennis balls, Nerf balls ect at the screen) "Her Ladyship is fond of a good blaze, then." and turn on flashlight or cigarette lighter. Mimic the Collins hand to mouth thing-- what did we call that? Say "Ouch!" When Darcy snuffs out candle. Sigh, "A whole campful of soldiers!" Clutch bosom to avoid spillage as Lizzy runs to her father Thanks Rika! That made me laugh. Rocky Horror is the only movie I have seen more times that P&P2 (I was 'lucky' enough to be the projectionist at a small theater for three (v. v. long) years). So, this is all very amusing to me! BTW, I thought you were one of the ones who had been around Drool for ages! (KathyF) I think it's wonderful that so many people of varying ages and occupations, representing all parts of the globe, can come together to drool over one actor. Kinda restores my faith in womankind! A nice, safe place with perfect company! It is my favorite place to 'visit' when I am a bit down....cuz I know someone will be 'drooling' and make me either think or laugh!!! Barb, take care. You are in my thoughts...

(Tress) BTW, I thought you were one of the ones who had been around Drool for ages! See, that's just what I'm talking about. I had the same mis-impression in Linda's case - I thought she was an old-timer but later learned that she only got here about three months before I did. It was the MLSF film discussion last summer that really helped me to get to know people and feel comfortable here.

(Rika) It was the MLSF film discussion last summer that really helped me to get to know people and feel comfortable here. That was the first thing I really took part in, too. I had been lurking for many, many months before I finally managed to get registered and get up the nerve to post. But MLSF was already a favorite of mine long before the discussion was announced, and I was determined to join in! I still feel like a newbie (and unlike others, I haven't a clue as to how one goes about adding graphics, or doing anything else that might impress my fellow Drooleurs).

(Rika)I thought she was an old-timer Auh shucks, Rika, you just made my day. Thinkin I was one of these here ole timers, when I was a newbie just like you. (Rika)It was the MLSF film discussion last summer that really helped me to get to know people and feel comfortable here. That was so much fun, wasn't it? I definitely think it's time for a discussion of some sort...film, or book. (KathyF)I haven't a clue as to how one goes about adding graphics, or doing anything else that might impress my fellow Drooleurs). Kathy, this is lindak, the most graphic challenged person here. I worried for weeks about CF's birthday, I saw what had been done in the past, and felt so inadequate. I got some advice from the boss. Then I asked Rika if we could team up and do some joint posts. I printed out Ann's tutorial, and slowly have been doing things I never thought I'd ever learn. Then came Rika's birthday, Dorine and I were lamenting about what we could do. Again, we got some help from Karen, and I must compliment Dorine, Her posts were great. Don't worry about this kind of stuff. If I can do it, so can you. Plenty of people around that are always willing to help. And, I'm so glad you joined in for the MLSF discussions, I remember your posts, and learned a lot from them. As for impressing fellow Drooleurs, speaking for myself, I was so proud when I learned how to do italics. We're glad your here, stick around. Barb, my prayers are with you and your family, and a speedy recovery for your dad.

(lindaak) I printed out Ann's tutorial Delurking finally! Where is Ann's tutorial?

(MaryH) Delurking finally! Where is Ann's tutorial? Welcome Mary! Glad you are joining us!! Hope this helps. I just found it myself about two weeks ago (and finally learned how to do tags)...You already know how to to do that, so you are waaaaay ahead of me!! http://austen.com/tutorial/index.html

Hi Mary Glad you delurked! Stick around....there's no going back:-) Now how's about someone else delurking tomorrow...c'mon, we know you're there:-))

Welcome Mary! Glad you're coming out (as it were!) And thanks all for the thoughts and support, I'll post a brief update on O&E.

Welcome Mary I see that Tress has led you to Ann's tutorial. Print it out and keep it close by, it's a great help. So glad you have joined us.

Welcome, Mary. I lurked for years... Not strictly Darcy, but this one has its (ahem) charms.

BWAHHHHHHH...oh Elizabeth! While I don't really think that's Nessie, G.D. I might be wrong. Why would he take a pic like that if it was??? Surely he would know the state he's in and excuse himself for a moment. And, if he was in said state, what or who put him there???? Oh, the things we will never know! :) Welcome Mary, I feel as if I should constantly re-de-lurk myself as I come and go and come and go!

BTW....The Shoes Louisa, the shoes....shakes head and goes of muttering about white laces and black dork shoes on such a hunky fella...

The Shoes Louisa, the shoes.... You were looking at the shoes?

(Lisa) BTW....The Shoes Louisa, the shoes....shakes head and goes of muttering about white laces and black dork shoes on such a hunky fella... (Leah) You were looking at the shoes? LOL! It's the second thing I looked at, too. ;-)

(Lisa) white laces and black dork shoes on such a hunky fella... Still laughing at this description Lisa, LOL! Pretty much my thoughts, too. ;-)

Ooooohhhhhh Elizabeth!! Looks like ODB is happy to see us!! Great pic! (Lisa) Surely he would know the state he's in and excuse himself for a moment.... Wot? And deprive us, his loyal fans, of a cheap thrill??? NEVAH! (Lisa) And, if he was in said state, what or who put him there???? I'm just thankful.... (Lisa) BTW....The Shoes Louisa, the shoes.... (LeahP) You were looking at the shoes? I like them!! Really I do! They look like bowling shoes...I tried on a pair very similiar, but the DH said he would not be seen in public with me if I wore them!

(Tress) I like them!! Really I do! They look like bowling shoes...I tried on a pair very similiar, but the DH said he would not be seen in public with me if I wore them! How so very very funny. I'd like to "bowl" with him. WELCOME MARY. Thanks for pic Elizabeth.

Welcome, MaryH! I'd give you a nice graphic but I'm buried in a pile of papers to grade (which begs the question of why I'm Drooling and not grading them) - I'll try to find something appropriately Colin-y to welcome you more properly this weekend. On Elizabeth's picture - grading papers must be hurting my eyesight because I didn't even notice anything unusual till I read Lisa's comment. It's probably a tucked-in tee shirt or a weird crease caused by the right front trouser pocket, but of course neither of those possibilities is any fun to consider, so we'll stick with Option A. :-)

(Rika)but of course neither of those possibilities is any fun to consider, so we'll stick with Option A. :-) When in doubt, always stick with option A. (FanPam) I'd like to "bowl" with him. I wouldn't mind a tumble down the alley, or a tumble anywhere with him. Ugly shoes or not. BTW, I've seen worse.

Okay, Mary, I'm back - and somebody just dropped by wanting to welcome you himself:

Rika Thank you! Love those eyes . . . and dimples . . . and smile . . . This is outside Pemberley when Elizabeth and her Aunt and Uncle Gardiner are visiting, right?

Exactly. He has just made his mad dash down the steps to prevent her from leaving, and they're standing beside the carriage discussing her opinion of Pemberley. His hair is tousled because it's still not quite dry from his dip in the pond.

The DVDiva strikes again! Thankyouthankyou! How could Lizzie not love him? He just made that mad dash to make himself 'more presentable' (like he was not dishy enough in the wet clothes)...he's still all damp and trying so hard to impress her! And the way he looks at her during this entire scene (he does that great little head bob thing here too)! And you're right Mary! There is the hint of dimple in this picture that just makes him...well....mmmmm...you know!

Thanks Rika for making my day, as usual. Nothing better than Mr. Darcy evah.

Oh,Rika, Rika, Rika, gorgeous, beautifully captured, DVDiva-licious. Yes, the hair is still damp, but nonetheless makes me want to let these tired old fingers grab those curls. Oh, not fair, Rika.

Just a quick run through...as I catch up. Am dying to see who among our newbies stepped in to search for Colin-related news on 165. For now, all I have time for is answering Q's and the like. (KathyF) I don't think it's that much of a problem, except when I'm trying to read quickly at work, and have to wait forever for it to load. The '2036' will not be a problem if you use a more efficient url to navigate Drool. I suggest the /new instead of a since/date type. MaryH Glad to see you've delurked finally. The link to Ann's HTML Tutorial is posted periodically, but I should probably put a link on the main page as well. Practice--with or without LadyC's oversight (to be on topic) takes place on #61. (Elizabeth) Not strictly Darcy, but this one has its (ahem) charms. Strictly in your imaginations, dearhearts. Do you all realize that pic was on the cover of the Sunday Times magazine? Trust me, I have the hard copy so to speak and it ain't what you think it is. I doubt a photoshoot in Shoreditch would be *that* exciting. ;-)

(Karen) The '2036' will not be a problem if you use a more efficient url to navigate Drool. I suggest the /new instead of a since/date type. I do use that when I've been checking regularly, but when I have to catch up with a day's worth of comments, it's just easier to take the slow boat. Posts will refer to a previous post, and I'm too old to remember them -- need to have 'em in front of me to I can scroll up and down and copy and paste. Strictly in your imaginations, dearhearts. And you know we have very fertile ones! ;-) By the way, welcome back, Karen! WELCOME, MARY! (I apparently forgot earlier.)

(Karen) Strictly in your imaginations, dearhearts. (KathyF) And you know we have very fertile ones! ;-) I will continue to imagine what I imagined (it makes my day a bit nicer)...I will not be swayed to think otherwise! Ignorance is bliss!! ;-) And what Kathy said! Welcome back Karen! and we've been caught 'general drooling' in the Darcy Drool...sorry....

...and not closing tags ;-) (KathyF) it's just easier to take the slow boat. And increases our bandwidth charges. Technical assistance is on 61, as I've offered before.

WELCOME BACK KAREN.

(Karen) ..and not closing tags ;-) I didn't want you to think we were doing alright without you! Just thought I'd try to keep you busy your first day back....I'm sure you have nothing better to do than fix my gaffes! ;-) Sorry!

I'm listening to that audio program of the lecture on Jane Austen adaptations that Andrew Davies gave at University of Wisconsin (I think the link was posted recently, but I couldn't find it, and then stumbled onto it in a search for something else). The first 45 minutes is about P&P and it's enormously entertaining, so if you haven't heard it I highly recommend it. Like I said, I know the link has been posted before, but just in case you missed it, here it is again: http://www.humanities.wisc.edu/archives/davies/index.html You'll find a link to the audio program on this page. The second half of it is a discussion of "Emma," and he's getting pretty twisted.

Thanks Rika, I listened to it and it was good. He does indeed get twisted about Emma though. P&P stuff was very entertaining.

Oh, Rika.. I've never listened to the Andrew Davies' lecture. It's pretty funny! "Big Horses, Big Men, Big Thighs!!!" LOL!

(Jeanie) "Big Horses, Big Men, Big Thighs!!!" LOL! That's the best, I can't watch P&P begin now without saying that...and sighing!

Ok... my children have named this guy "norbert".. I don't why. They practically squeal with laughter everytime it comes to this scene because he looks like he's either been glued into the actual frame or is simply a cardboard rendering because he doesn't move in that one part... The people are swirling around him, and he doesn't even blink!

With all the times I've seen P&P, and I'm sure I've watched it at least five times a year for the past seven years, I've never noticed "Norbert." I've noticed a lot of other strange-looking people in the dance scenes (including that guy with the hair that looks like an animal perched on top of his head), but not Norbert. Your kids must have sharper eyes than mine! (Let's hope so, since mine are fading fast!)

Kathy, The next time you watch P&P, just look for him.. it's when Mrs. Bennet is introducing Charles to her daughters. When she gets to "Kitty & Lydia" she gestures over to them and there he is.. just keep your eyes on him and see if you think he's as funny as my kids do.

(Jeanie) They practically squeal with laughter everytime it comes to this scene because he looks like he's either been glued into the actual frame or is simply a cardboard rendering because he doesn't move in that one part... LOL...I love that your kids have named him! I had not noticed him before and will now take extra care to 'spot' him. Perhaps Norbert knew his screen time was limited and wanted to make the most of his special moment.... ;-)

(Jeanie) "Big Horses, Big Men, Big Thighs!!!" LOL! OHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY (Jeanie) Ok... my children have named this guy "norbert".. I don't why Kudos to the kids. How appropiate. Suits him to a T.

I am all astonishment! I have watched these videos more times than I care to count, and there are still things that I miss, oh well, I suppose I'll have to watch again...

Damn I watched that dance scene today, the first time in ages, to try and find a line. I missed Norbert. Well, I guess I'll just have to go watch it again! ;)

Yes, I've noticed Norbert, Jeanie, but I'm glad he has a name now! I think you need a Norbert Sim!

(Rika) Yes, I've noticed Norbert, Jeanie, but I'm glad he has a name now! I think you need a Norbert Sim! LOL....I agree! But poor Norbert will have to quit dancing long enough to learn to cook! ;-)

i`m listening to Andrew Davies. Why is the audience laughing so much around 11 minutes? any ideas?

I think that is the point in the clip where Lizzie walks past the mare and foal, and with the atmosphere of smirks and inuendo having been established, his following line (once he could be heard after the laugh died down) explains all: "That metaphor of fecundity was the director's idea, not mine!"

Time to gripe about a P&P2 scene that irritates me everytime, and I watch it often. Has anyone noticed the butler/servant in the Pemberley Piano scene? He is trying so hard to impress his boss, that he does the unforgivable and stands right in front of Lizzy obscuring Darcy's (and our) view. Couldn't he *hear* the converstion they were having with their eyes? I always imagine Darcy craning his neck and muttering to the butler/servant - won't you please please please please please just f****** f*** o**. (well that's what I would say anyway)

(LeahP)Has anyone noticed the butler/servant in the Pemberley Piano scene? Oh yes, and I've had the exact same thought as you, even the FP-references. I still haven't found any reasonable explanation for him to stand there, except if he has been waiting (as in serving something to) on Louisa or Charlotte.

I have never noticed that - ah, another excuse to watch P&P2! Something else happened to me today, though. I recently got the P&P soundtrack CD. While it's missing some things that I can't BELIEVE they didn't include, I do love what's there. The music that accompanied Darcy's long night of letter-writing was on, and I was getting all teary-eyed just imagining the poor tortured boy.... amazing how powerful that music is (especially, of course, when accompanied by having seen the movie so many times that I can play it in my head to go along with the music). Listening to the wet-shirt scene music is fun too....

(Rika) I recently got the P&P soundtrack CD. While it's missing some things that I can't BELIEVE they didn't include, I do love what's there. .... amazing how powerful that music is (especially, of course, when accompanied by having seen the movie so many times that I can play it in my head to go along with the music). That's one of the benefits for me. That CD is practically my default CD, it's almost always on in my car. I especially like it on long drives because the music cues the scene and it's like watching the movie just based on the soundtrack. As far as the stuff that's not there, I guess the CD is just the stuff Carl Davis wrote specifically for the soundtrack. I understand that ages ago there was a cd produced with all the older compositions on it to benefit a London hospice. I've got an ebay search built to notify me if one gets posted but so far no luck...I keep hoping lightning will strike!

I am a musician - not a true proficient (didn't practice enough), but the Rosings piano scene is just a little unbelievable. There is no way that Lizzy could have played the piano and contributed to a conversation at the same time. My husband delights in telling me that Lizzy can play (well) and speak (inteligently), and when I try it, I make the most awful mistakes. Is there anyone who thinks otherwise?

Why?...people do it all the time. And she admitted to making mistakes. I bet with practice you could too Anyway,in P&P JE didn't play the piano, someone off stage played.

I think she could, as long as she knew the piece well enough. It helps that she wasn't playing anything terribly difficult or demanding.

This may not be the right conference to put this link, but there's an article in the Guardian comparing Will Straw (president of the Oxford University Student Union) to P&P's Mr. Darcy which I found amusing: http://education.guardian.co.uk/students/story/0,9860,855004,00.html Kat

At least you gave it some thought. ;-) Cute article. Something that sounded suspiciously near Bridget-like at the end.

Yeah, I was looking at the main Drool page to see where I should put it. :-) Was debating between here and the CF discussion conf, and decided here although seems to be a bigger audience in the ofher conference. Kat

Check out the last paragraph regarding the breeches... http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/news/story.asp?datetime=30+Jan+2003+05%3A36&tbrand=EADOnline&tCategory=News&category=News&brand=EADOnline&itemid=IPED29+Jan+2003+21%3A36%3A46%3A180

Thanks, Maria. Easier to post it all here: Suffolk museum celebrates 10th birthday January 30, 2003 05:36 A WORLD-renowned Suffolk museum celebrated its 10th birthday with a special cake - and news that visitor numbers are rising. People looking round the historic Manor House Museum in Bury St Edmunds yesterday were treated to a slice of cake before setting off on their tour of the museum's attractions. Maggie Goodger , Museums Manager for St Edmundsbury Borough Council, said the Manor House, which was once owned by the Bristol family of Ickworth Park, was flourishing. The museum was internationally renowned for its clock collection and watches and also had a highly prized collection of costumes, particularly from the jazz age. Although visitor numbers had dropped from the 30,000 people attracted in its first year, figures for this year were already well up on last year's totals, she said. "We're already 1,500 above last year's total of 11,500 and we have until the end of March. It looks like the number of people visiting the museum this year will be considerably higher than last year," said the manager. Mrs Goodger said: "We are well respected around the world and when locals come in they are very impressed but sometimes a great big Georgian building like this can be a bit intimidating and residents of the area can be a little reluctant to come in." Activities such as a tea dance and tours of the old servants quarters of the building, which was built as the then Lady Bristol's town house, would help attract local people in. The Residents' Week programme of events is being organised for February and exact details will be available from the museum in the next few days. Mark Ereira, St Edmundsbury council's cabinet member for culture, said: "My congratulations go to all the dedicated staff at the Manor House whose enthusiasm has helped the museum to reach this milestone. "Much has been achieved here over the past decade and I would encourage anyone to call in, especially if they haven't paid a visit for a while, and see what a fine range of treasures and fascinating exhibits are on display." Some staff have been at the Manor House throughout its 10-year history as a museum. They recall the time when the museum displayed costumes from the BBC drama adaptation of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. A member of staff had to keep guard at all times to stop people touching actor Colin Firth's riding breeches, which he wore as Mr Darcy � and were drenched during his swim in the lake before one of his dramatic encounters with Elizabeth Bennet played by Jennifer Ehle. To contact the museum telephone 01284 757072. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Didn't Lizza see the traveling costume collection?

A member of staff had to keep guard at all times to stop people touching actor Colin Firth's riding breeches, which he wore as Mr Darcy ROTF!! Oh the visions this conjures up. Bet there were some particular worn-out spots, LOL. ;-)

(Dorine)Bet there were some particular worn-out spots, LOL. ;-) *sigh* reminds me of TEoR...where the hair had been loved off. Ok, I'm going to stop right there. Too early in the day. Maybe, not!

A member of staff had to keep guard at all times to stop people touching actor Colin Firth's riding breeches, which he wore as Mr Darcy � Ohhhh...I long to touch Mr. Darcy's riding breeches....*sigh* (Dorine) Bet there were some particular worn-out spots, LOL. ;-) I'm not picky, I can leave the 'worn-out spots' alone...I'll touch a knee, a fold, an inside thigh 'spot', a....okay...I'll stop!! ;-) (lindak) Ok, I'm going to stop right there. Too early in the day. Maybe, not! LOL....are you kidding??? It is never too early (or too late, for that matter)!! ;-)

(Karen)Didn't Lizza see the traveling costume collection? Think so...but thought it was at the JA museum at Bath. When I toured the BBC studios (a loser, don't bother) 3 yrs ago I missed seeing them by a week. I inquired and was told they are stored in the costume warehouse there.

(Tress) I'm not picky, I can leave the 'worn-out spots' alone...I'll touch a knee, a fold, an inside thigh 'spot', a....okay...I'll stop!! ;-) Oh, my, the very thought......... (Evelyn) I inquired and was told they are stored in the costume warehouse there. Hmmmmm....... am thinking of a midnight "costume heist" conducted by a crack team of Firthettes..... ;-)

(Rika)am thinking of a midnight "costume heist" conducted by a crack team of Firthettes..... ;-) LOL...Hey, count me in. If we could pull this off, imagine what else we might be able to do.

(Rika) am thinking of a midnight "costume heist" conducted by a crack team of Firthettes..... ;-) (lindak) LOL...Hey, count me in. If we could pull this off, imagine what else we might be able to do. I'm game....we could go in, in our street clothes, and emerge in Regency wear....do you think anyone will notice? I imagine we will all be donning Darcy duds...I'm short, so think I may have to find those boots to tuck those trouser legs into.... ;-D

(Evelyn) I inquired and was told they are stored in the costume warehouse there. (Rika) am thinking of a midnight costume heist conducted by a crack team of Firthettes.. Just to clarify, are we definitely talking riding breeches here? THE RIDING BREECHES? As in plunged into the pond pants? It couldn't possibly be the tan Pemberly walk-arounds w/Lizzy and the Gardiners? Could it? GAAH! Before I risk life and limb I need to know. Coordinate watches. Plunged Pond (Code name Panker-Panker)or Pemberly Walk-Arounds (Code name Panker Wanker) I could come up with an old babuska (ala Jackie O) and large owl sunglasses for disguise. Does that qualify me for the "crack team"? Over and out.

(Rika) am thinking of a midnight costume heist conducted by a crack team of Firthettes.. Count me in. Would love to touch that which held that marvelous body. Thanks Maria and Karen. I used to live near Bury St. Edmunds and toured the Manor House unfortunately not when most famous BREECHES were in residence. Maybe good thing as could probably not restrain self.

(Rika) am thinking of a midnight costume heist conducted by a crack team of Firthettes Woohoo!! Lets go! I'll bring the flashlights, walkie talkies (Romeo Foxtrot, this is Juliet Tango,the breeches are in the bag!), chocolate and secret decoder rings (I'll hide the magnums of bubbly outside in the bushes to toast after the successful heist!) Passport Bridget, and pants!!

I'll go along, but I want the dressing gown. I know it touched bare skin! I don't even care that it will drag behind me like a train...

Count me in too! I�m all set, all I need is this: Someone might have to distract the guards! I even have a little crocheted purse to hold these: I suspect they will be needed both during and afterwards!

(Kathy)I'll go along, but I want the dressing gown. I know it touched bare skin! I don't even care that it will drag behind me like a train... This is turning in to another keep-sake topic ;-) Just fine by me. I'll be the lookout round the corner, where you can keep in touch via our saracen communicators. Just - please bring the fencing-shirt. That'll do it for me.

(Lisa)I suspect they will be needed both during and afterwards! ROTFL - sorry to post twice, but just had to applaud you all. What a force, we women hide for those special occasions;-)

(Annette) you can keep in touch via our saracen communicators. ROTF! I'll stand on any potted plants as a lookout. I'll help Lisa schmooze guards using an alias in my schmoozing guards outfit...

Is it too late to join up with this team? A pair of boots would set me up for life! But Dorine, you got me worried. You better not be planning on running if we have to get away fast...you'll be just like every (fully-clothed) Bond girl who ran in heels and fell at the most inopportune time!

(Barb S) Is it too late to join up with this team? Nevah! Besides, it looks like we will need all the help we can get. We're cleaning them out! (I'm having 'Ocean's 11' flashbacks). Annette, we'll make sure you get the glove to go with that fencing shirt! (KathyF) I'll go along, but I want the dressing gown. I know it touched bare skin! Ohhh....skin. Someone remember to grab the pants from the first proposal! Lisa, glad it is you wearing the bikini...I'd frighten them to death with my paleness! The little purse makes the 'outfit'. Just big enough to fit one of Maria's decoder rings (to go with the valium and chocolate). ;-)

I'll take the socks. They were so close to those gorgeous feet. Great stuff ladies. Love the standing on plants uniform Dorine.