FYI, I just noticed that P&P is being released in the UK on DVD, October 23rd. Included will be a "making of" featurette.

LOL Danielle! your mind was more agreeably engaged! Thanks for info. Donna. The behind-the-scenes would be fun to see; I already have the book but can never have too much P&P!

(Sadie)You know, my favourite part of the Pond scene is actually when he's sitting down, removing his neckcloth. Not only for the neck, but because of the contrast between his rugged good looks and the portrait (which does not do him justice, IMO) You have hit on one of my pet P&P2 peeves - I thought all of the portraits were AWFUL! The one of Georgiana especially. If they were going to go to all that trouble to make portraits you'd think they could use someone that could capture a likeness. I've seen better characiture artists (or however the he-- you spell it, it doesn't even come up on spellcheck in Word) in the mall.

characiture artists (or however the he-- you spell it, it doesn't even come up on spellcheck in Word) You've damaged the poor machine, you see. It's given up on you.

(Gail) You have hit on one of my pet P&P2 peeves Me too! The 'Darcy' miniature, I think, is particularly awful...so much so that when the housekeeper says "And that's my master, and very like him too!" I find myself bemoaning the standards of 19th century opticial care, clearly this woman needs glasses! ;-). But when Mrs Gardiner adds "It is a handsome face...." - I pity the poor woman (who is obviously mad) but then looking at what she is married too to I can understand her confusion! Am also v confused, the "fine, larger portrait of him upstairs in the gallery" appears to be of non other than Des O'Connor (??!!??) (Note to those lucky enough not aquainted with DO - a British so-called entertainer who seems to have forged a career from being a very bad singer!) Must go and lie down in a darkened room. Donna - thanks for the DVD info, do you have any more details?

Thank you Tracy for explaining who Des O'Connor is.

Am now going to answer my own question re P&P2 DVD, have been having a quick browse of various online stores and the best deal at present seems to be Blackstar who are offering it at �23.99 (no postage & packing). So I've just exercised my flexible friend ( no not THAT one Sadie & Judy )to add this prize to my collection as my poor tape is becoming extremely careworn particularly in the *ahem* 'full-breech' sections ;-P~~~

Has anyone ever seen both the US and UK versions of P&P? I am wondering if the UK versions (VHS and DVD) are more widescreen than the US. I vaguely recall reading somewhere on the web about seeing Charlotte in the scene where Darcy and Colonel Fitzwilliam meet Lizzie for the first time at Hunsford. In the US version, we never see Charlotte in that scene. So I always suspected that the UK version is more widescreen and she got cut out of the US version. I'm sort of rambling to myself, sorry... Unless it's my TV and any of my American buddies out there have seen Charlotte in that scene. I see Mariah, but no Charlotte. But on my TV, the scene with Lizzie and Darcy in the house alone (Lizzie is sitting on the far left and Darcy is on the far right, the "easy distance" scene) always appeared to be cut off. I always wondered if the UK version in that scene was better blocked, if that is the correct term. Also I'm wondering out loud if the extra making of featurettes (plural) are the same that were talked about on other websites that were not shown in the US. A long ramble...

TV screens are different widths in the UK, which accounts for the cropping. Although there was some discussion about the Hunsford scene where they sit far away from each other...it has a symbolic reason as well.

But surely not so symbolic that at times only our dear Darcy's nose is visible. Joyfully those lovely breeches and boots are always evident. Thanks for explaining the different TV screen size. Looks like we are missing an extra millimeter of Darcy and darn it, that's just too much. ;-) Interesting about Charlotte in the Hunsford scene. I'll be waiting to hear from our non-US friends if she is indeed visible. (Tracy) The 'Darcy' miniature, I think, is particularly awful...so much so that when the housekeeper says "And that's my master, and very like him too!" I find myself bemoaning the standards of 19th century opticial care, clearly this woman needs glasses! ;-) Tee hee! There is not an ounce of imperfection in Darcy in Mrs. Reynolds' myopic eye. I agree with you that the miniature is an awful likness unless our dear Darcy weighed considerably more in his younger days. He looked quite swollen. I don't mind the "finer, larger portrait" as much.

(Tracy)And that's my master, and very like him too!" I find myself bemoaning the standards of 19th century opticial care, clearly this woman needs glasses! ;-) LOL Tracy! (Heide)But surely not so symbolic that at times only our dear Darcy's nose is visible. Joyfully those lovely breeches and boots are always evident...Looks like we are missing an extra millimeter of Darcy and darn it, that's just too much. ;-) LOL! Hmmm, am thinking literalism has it's advantages. On other hand, nose, breeches and boots make a fine symbolic statement.

(Heide) I agree with you that the miniature is an awful likness unless our dear Darcy weighed considerably more in his younger days. He looked quite swollen. Baby fat, perhaps. It makes you wonder just how many famous portraits painted before the advent of photography bear a good resemblance to their sitters.

wonder just how many famous portraits painted before the advent of photography bear a good resemblance to their sitters. Portrait painters of the past were often known to produce flattering rather than accurate images. Depending on what was then considered flattering, of course.

Very true, Arami. The painters to the Spanish Court really did have their work cut out for them, having the Spanish Hapsburgs as their raw material. Not the most attractive of families with which to create a flattering image that did bear some resemblence to the sitter. Still, I would have been nice had the production design team on P&P produced more flattering images of Darcy, in both minature and full portrait.

Very true, Cheryl! :-)

His is a tough likeness to get, especially when younger. (I'm not sure why. Perhaps because the features are so vague) The miniature looks like something done from a publicity photo without the dark coloring. The larger one is just plain too vague to resemble anyone. Still and all, the artist(s) have my complete sympathy ... I shall always contend that he doesn't HAVE a likeness. ;-)

the features are so vague Neutral, KJ, the word is neutral. ;-)

Well, we've had the left and right discussion (gives whole new meaning to politics, I thought)and perhaps we can conclude that CF really is too good to be true, which is why he doesn't HAVE a likeness...but at least we know Darcy is real -D and no gurly-mon. I would like to comment on his v. fine chest ---which lies in the middle, between his face and breeches --- in the interest of being politically in the center . When he stands so well in his various macho poses, doesn't his chest invite hugging!?! The coat and vest hang soooo well, they seem to emphasize its strength (those Regency designers knew what they were doing). I cannot fix on the exact shots, the hour, or the spot...but those with worn tapes must know what I mean.

(Sadie) .but those with worn tapes must know what I mean. hmmm... indeed we do :-P~~~~~ Must agree that his chest is delectable in the extreme. Makes one want to lick and nibble their way across it, closely examining every inch. *fanning flushed cheeks from mere thought of doing so*

I agree Sadie and Esbee, however, the way his great (gray) swings from left to right (especially as they stroll back from a day of shooting at Netherfield), rear view, of course!, also makes me *siiiiiiiiigh* There is just something about a man with a confident strut about him... again... *siiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

Thank you Sadie for bringing up the subject of his very fine chest.I agree its enhanced by those clothesI love the waistcoats,I can imagine myself undoing all those buttons slowly ,revealing more & more of him * shiver* Its like opening a bar of chocolate,first the wrapper,oooh the anticipation,then you suck the chocolate off & finally nibble at the centre.OK I'm gone *thud*

(KJ)the features are so vague (Arami)Neutral, KJ, the word is neutral. ;-) Well, I like what's happening to him as he ages. He is losing the neutrality and gaining individuality. Before it was only certain of his characters that had distinct likenesses (like Darcy or Birkin). Now he's developing one of his very own (definitely very Colin) ... and I like it, I like it!! :-) Mostly because I no longer live in fear that I'd see him walking down the street and not recognize him ... until he spoke! How embarrassing!! KJ

Of course, by now, the walk alone should be a dead giveaway!! ;-)

I no longer live in fear that I'd see him walking down the street and not recognize him ... until he spoke! Let me assure you... those of us who have been blessed with the sight of him in real life have no doubt... no doubt at all...

(KJ)I no longer live in fear that I'd see him walking down the street and not recognize him ...until he spoke! (Arami)Let me assure you... those of us who have been blessed with the sight of him in real life have no doubt... no doubt at all...) LOL....Mari recognized him at Starbucks....then she heard the famous voice ordering....

Yeah, and Evelyn saw him from across the street getting out of a taxi (from the rear) going into the Donmar. Took her all of two seconds.

Yeh, but that was the "older" Colin. Which brings to mind something I've been meaning to ask -- One of the pictures at the "Webshots" site was definitely of a younger "more neutral" Colin. Did anyone recognize the source? Did it come from a role or just an informal shot for something? The picture in question being: This One (Gee, I sure hope this works.)

KJart, that is Colin in the Caretaker.

(Esbee)Makes one want to lick and nibble their way across it, closely examining every inch. You do have such a way with words! (Danielle)however, the way his great (gray) swings from left to right (especially as they stroll back from a day of shooting at Netherfield), rear view, of course!, also makes me *siiiiiiiiigh* There is just something about a man with a confident strut about him... again... *siiiiiiiiiiiiigh* Yes I love that shot too! It definitely is a confident strut. (Judy)Its like opening a bar of chocolate LOL! You may have hit on the finest analogy I can think of.

(Judy)Its like opening a bar of chocolate (Sadie)LOL! You may have hit on the finest analogy I can think of. LOL as well - excellent analogy! :-) Reminds me of the 'there's no wrong way to eat a Recess Peanut Butter Cup' commericals .... going straight for the good stuff in the middle; nibbling slowly around the edges; top to bottom/left to right... (Danielle) ...as they stroll back from a day of shooting at Netherfield -(the)rear view... there is just something about a man with a confident strut about him) HMMM Yes! i could watch that scene for hours on end -(or at least until i had drooled enough to become seriously dehydrated, and had to be rushed to the emergency room...) ;-)

Thanks, Lassie. I appreciate the information. (This probably belonged on #134, I guess.)

Sadie and Heide, its time for you to stand up and take a bow and, pat yourselves on the back while you are at it. I have been looking at some old posts on #112 as I have had absolutley no life since I discovered the Darcy drool. Let me take you back to post #1039 regarding Darcy at Rosings and, the wonderful way he gets up from the sofa to go over to Lizzie at the piano. Heide " Ohhhh like Darcy sulks while he is watching Lizzie and the Col flirtting at the piano and he has to sit there listening to his old aunt yammering away. Finally, he just gets up and with a flick of those tails strides purposely over to that little minx." Sadie " And have you noticed how his heels hit the floor with a determined, manly click before he clicks his tails ? Click and flick, thats all it takes and I'm lost..sigh !! " Girls you have hit the nail so far on the head, its not funny. I have loved that scene for soooooo long. I could never figure out why I loved it so much, its not like its the wet shirt ( gulp ) scene or even Darcy gazing adoringly at Elizabeth as she plays the piano at Pemberley. However, I just love it to death and I keep rewinding it over and over. It's nuts, as we barely see his face, maybe its a body language thing. His movements are so decisive, the way he snaps his torso up from the sofa, the speed that he feels is necesary to get his butt over to the other side of the room, is just SO DAMM SEXY !! Don't you feel he could have been born in tails he wears them so elegantly ? Anyway, thanks for this Drool topic as I was absolutley floored when I read somobody explain the attraction of the scene so well. Plus, have you watched the way he then approaches Lizzie at the piano ? He leaps up from the sofa as he knows Lizzie can't see him from where she is sitting at he piano. However, as he approaches her, he is then in her field of vision and he doesn't want to advertise his feelings to her, just yet. So he walks to the piano slowly, but surely, kinda like a shark circling his prey, intently, purposely, knowing he will not let her get away. O God !! Ok I'm feeling all hot and bothered now, I think I need to lie down for a bit. Keep this up, girls, I LOVE IT !! Beth PS Tracy, Your reference from Sep 9, of Darcy looking like Des O'Connor in his portrait had me in stitches. O well, it could have been worse, it could have been Les Dawson, or even worse.....Bob Monkhouse...O the horror !!!

Bethanne glad you've found darcy drool.What other scenes do you lust over.This is the place to own up & anything goes,as you've already guessed from reading Sadies posts. Danielle I love that confident strut.While the rest of the shooting party are all spent Darcy's gun is still cocked,primed & ready to shoot its load BTW does anyone have a comprehensive list of his waistcoats or do I need to watch & count buttons?

Hi Judy....what other scenes turn me to mush.....there are so many !! I'll go with my top 5 for now coz if I don't limit my self I'll be up until dawn drooling. 1. Watching Lizzie play the piano at Pemberley has to be my numero uno. For me, it even surpasses the famouus ( drum roll please ) "wet shirt" scene. The look on his face just gets me every single time. There are so many emotions on his face, sheer joy at being with the women he loves again, incredulous amazement that she is in his own house of all places considering the bitterness of their last meeting, overwhelmig pride in her poise and beauty compared to the brittle bitchiness of the Bingley sisters. There are so many emotions on his face, but in a restrained way,as after all, they are in a room with a bunch of other people. The feelings that flare like laser beams, out of his eyes alone, are just breathtaking. 2. The first proposal scene when he is walking around the drawing room working up the courage to speak of his true feelings to Lizzie. The poor lamb, he is so much in love and his regular, composed world is so out of kilter since he fell for Lizzie, that you really have to feel for him in his distress. 3. Meeting Lizzie by the carrige at Pemberley while she is trying to make her escape. He has just changed out of his wet clothes but his hair is still damp. He's wearing the green coat and those amazing fawn coloured breeches as he asks to be introduces to the Gardiners. They go for a walk in the grounds and, as they are climbing the steps,those breeches, those thighs... O God ! 4. The bath scene watching Lizzie play with his dog. What can I say, just what can I say ? The look on his face...he is just transfixed by what he sees, he just can't look away and neither can we. 5. Watching Lizzie as she enters the ball room at Netherfield. He is leaning on the mantlepiece and looks up to see her coming in. The camera goes back to Lizzie ( probably looking for Wickham ) and then goes back to Darcy. He is facing toward her and I just love the look of indignation on his face. It's almost "How dare you make me feel this way" or "Who the hell are you to make me feel like I'm not in control any more." Don't forget,he is a rich and powerful man. He is used to being in control and always calling the shots. Now all of a sudden, this impudent little upstart has turned him into an emotional basket case. As attracted to her as he is physically, in the early stages of the relationship, I think he resents her terribly too for turning his world upside down. This combination of anger and desire on his face as he watches her walk into the room GETS ME RIGHT HERE !! OK, thats it for now. Tell me to shut up if I am too longwinded, but I have only known about the exhistence of this site for about a week,so I have 5 years worth of pent up drooling to get out of my system !!!!!!!

No Bethanne,I can't tell you to shut up,not when you drool sp eloquently. 1 I love the way you've explained his emotions for this scene 'sheer joy at being with the woman he loves again' sums it up perfectly.You can imagine the wheels turning round as he wonders what to do.I wonder what would have happened if he'd managed a few moments alone with her. 'the feelings that flare like laser beams,out of his eyes alone,are just breathtaking ' wow you should be writing fan fic.I don't need to watch this scene those eyes are etched on my mind. 2 First proposal scene.A fave of mine as well though I feel uncomfy watching it,Colin portrays this scene so well 3 and another one...mmm yes that damp hair is a real turn on.I also love the unshaved look,as for those thighs oooh I can't take much more. 4 you've done it again 'he just can't look away and neither can we' yes we've all got that problem.What do you think of his neck? 5'combination of anger and desire' oh god yes he really doesn't seem to understand whats happening to him,that confusion of feelings seeps out of every pore. later in the Ball,when she starts to dance with CollinsI love that smirk-cum-snort,sooo sexy & naughty on his part.Then he follows her down the line ,I'll never understand how she managed to resist him for so long,I would have thrown myself at him Next 5 soon please!!

Bethanne - ...it could have been Les Dawson.... LOL! That does not bear thinking about! Les Dawson as Darcy....don't go there! If your Top 5 is anything to go by I'm looking forward to your trying to get the pent up drooling out of your system..., believe me it can't be done but we have a great time trying!

(Bethanne) This combination of anger and desire on his face as he watches her walk into the room GETS ME RIGHT HERE !! Hmmm, is that above or below the waist? :-) One of my top 5 - His first visit to Hunsford as he is fidgeting looking at Lizzie while Mr. Collins is, what did Heide call it, yammering away.

(Bethanne) when she starts to dance with Collins (Judy) I love that smirk-cum-snort, sooo sexy & naughty on his part Isn't it though. ;-D

And to think we have all replayed these 5 scenes and more... for almost 5 years now!!! Thank you BethAnne for expressing all of it so well. Your analysis of his expressions is very insightful.

Welcome Bethanne. Welcome Lassie, I may have missed you earlier. Ladies, you may have only just found this place, but those of us who've been here a little longer never get tired of bringing up the same scenes again and again. We can't get bored and can live with the fact that there aren't new scenes to discuss though we have been known to make up a few of our own. Our family and friends would never recognize us here though if they'd look a little more closely they may notice a few signs of Darcy madness - that constant swallowing as we try to keep the drool down, the locked doors and shuttered windows as we closet ourselves away with the VCR, and of course the sudden barks of "Wot?!" when we hear something truly impertinent. This place is a release - a mad release we know but heck, we can't be serious, sensible people all the time. (Bethanne) 4. The bath scene watching Lizzie play with his dog. What can I say, just what can I say ? If you weren't hooked by CF as Darcy yet, this scene had to pull you through. Though amazingly enough I know there are some who have not yet let his power take over the first time they watched until much later. He is used to being in control and always calling the shots. Now all of a sudden, this impudent little upstart has turned him into an emotional basket case. As attracted to her as he is physically, in the early stages of the relationship, I think he resents her terribly too for turning his world upside down. This combination of anger and desire on his face as he watches her walk into the room GETS ME RIGHT HERE !! Ah yes, so true. This is when it's fun to compare Darcy's feelings as described in the book with what we're seeing portrayed on the screen. Those love/hate, or should I say desire/repress feelings, are masterful. You know Lizzy's what he wants but he doesn't know she's what he needs. (Judy) What do you think of his neck? LOL! The bath scene, my, my. And those lovely moles. Don't forget the neck scene (that's what it's called, right?) when he writes the letter. ;-)

Lovely Jubbley...nobody thought I was getting carried away describing my Top 5 Darcy scenes. So here goes, 6-10. It's a dirty job, but someones gotta do it, right ? To recap 1-5 1. Watching Lizzie play the piano at Pemberley 2. Walking the grounds with Lizzie at Pemberley, those steps, those breeches, those thighs Ohhhhhhhhh........ its ok, I'm all right now. 3. His nervous tension just before the first proposal scene. 4. Watching Lizzie frollic with his dog . 5. Watching her walk into the ballroom at Netherfiedd. 6. Writing the letter to Lizzie. He finishes writing and leans his head back in sheer tormented weariness. The look of torture on his face...torture at being rejected, torture because she doesn't just reject him, she DESPISES him, torture beacause his status and position mean diddley-squat to her, all added to his pain at having to reveal his painfilled past with Wickham to another person. Remember his words in the proposal " I beg you most fervently to relieve my suffering and, consent to be my wife " Well, this is him suffering and boy does it get to you !! Of course, the unbuttoned shirt does help as well. Makes you want to just to reach into the screen and try to ease the pain on his fevered brow, doesn't it ? Not to mention other, ahem, afflicted places. 7. Lizzie at Huntford Parsonage talkning to Col. Fitzwilliam. Darcy just sits there watching intently, thinking " How come she never laughs and smiles with me like that ? " The look on his face as he fiddles with his ring listening to Mr Collin babble on... Remember, he hasn't seen her for several months. He wants to look away, but he can't. I think, he hopes her power over him would fade, while he was away from her. It hasn't, he wants her am much as ever. He comes over to them briefly and then walks slowly, contemptously over to the window as he is probably angry that he is still attracted to her. Plus, her little dig at him about not seeing Jane in Lindon, probably reminds him that verbally, she can run rings about him. He know that talking to her will always be a verbal battle. I think her spirited responses turn him, on but he hates how she can so effortlessly make him feel stupid. This is our first hint at how grief stricken he will be later on as he looks seriously pissed off in this scene ( yum yum ) Of course, those tight grey breeches help somewhat too. Look at the stricken look on his face, as he looks back at her from the window as she is saying " So, you see, it is a hopeless case is it not, Col Fitzwilliam ? " I love his hair in this scene too, its faily short. I don't like it all bouffant looking later on. 8 Breakfast with the Bingley's. The sisters are bitching about the Bennett sisters and their low class relations in Cheapside. Darcy has his back to them drinking his coffee and says " But with such low connecions, it must greatly reduce their chance of marrying well, that is the material point, Bingley ! " The way he spits out the words " that is the material point " its so snooty and delicious. As he talks, he puts his coffee cup down and turns around coz' Lizzie has now entered the room, I might also say whirled around, as you can almost feel him thinking " O m God, she looks gorgeous ". See him grip the back of the chair ? He wants grip her but can't, so hangs on to the nearest object for dear life. O to be the wood in that chair frame !! 9. Darcy comes to visit the Bennet's at Longbourn with Bingley. He walks into the room, Lizzie curtsies, he bows, their eyes meet and, I am positivley stuck to the sofa !! O my Gawwwdd, words fail me. The words to describe how he looks as their eyes meet, just don't exhist. This man is so besotted and so are we ! I just love the little furtive, sideways glances. It's as if he doesn't have the nerve for a full blown smoulder, coz he's afraid she might reject him again. He has a sense that she might, just might, not be completley indifferent to him, but he is not sure. He wants to just gaze at her and try to assess her feelings ( as well as satisy his own craving for her ) but he is too nervous. He can't help remembering her stinging words to him at Huntsford and is terrified of a repeat. This I feel, is a great depiction of how his earlier arrogance and big-headed presumption that she will accept him, has given way to uncertainty and shyness. It's just so darn adorable. 10. His tortued pacing of the room just prior to the first proposal. He sits down, he gets up, he walks to the fireplace, he turns around, he looks at her, he looks away. The man is in agony and boy, do we feel his pain. His flustered demeanour is such sexy contrast to his normal, rigid one. But, you know what they say, still waters run deep and this one sure as hell does. I can't get enough of the way he says " I BEG you most fervently to relieve my suffering ". The emphasis he puts on "beg" just floors me every single time. It is just sooooo powerful. I mean he is humbling himself before her. The proud and arrogant Mr Darcy, who NEVER,EVER has to beg for anything. It just shows the dept of his feelings for her. Have you noticed the slight pause before he goes on to say " and consent to be my wife " The pause really gived weight to what he is about to say. It really conveys the importance of it, he isn't just asking her to dance, or go for a walk. He asking her to MARRY him !! He wants to spe d the rest of his life with her. I am total mush thru out the entire scene. OK thats it for now, phew....I'm pooped !! See ya Did I already use #10 before ? Sorr I can't go back and check or my compuer will log me out.

Hi Judy,sorry, I meant to thank you for your response to my earlier drooling. I thought I was getting a wee bit carried away. Anyway, you bring up an excellent point that I forgot to mention.....his slightly unshaven look as he is greeting Lizzie at Pemberley after he has changed into dry clothes. ( I love a stubbley man ) As we know, he has been traveling from London all day and hasn't had a chance to shave. Remember what Andrew Davis said about all the Darcy shots in P&P of him bathing, fencing etc... " I wanted to show the man being a man and not just a stuffed shirt " The slight stubble is just so maculine and it just emphasises how eager he is to get back to his beloved. He just pulls on some dry clothes and belts it outa' there, without taking time to shave or comb his hair properly. His eagerness to get back to her is sooooooo drool worthy !!

(Bethanne) I have 5 years of pent up drooling to get out of my system!!!!!!! I've only been here a short time but I've realised I'm here not to get it out of my system but to imbibe it even more-P Heide its not possible to forget that neck scene & asfor those moles perfect for nipping with my teeth. Whew Bethanne 6 ah the neck scene Heide was referring to.You also mentioned torture,Sadies the expert here.I also love it when he swills himself afterwards,That combined with the stretched neck always activates my tongue.BTW you can list those afflicted places I don't mind. 7 'fiddles with his ring' he does that on purpose because he's aware the effect his hands & fingers have,can't you just imagine them stroking your body *shiver* 8 'see him grip the back of the chair ? He wants grip her but can't, so hangs on to the nearest object for dear life' LOL yes perfectly described,needs to get those hands out of danger. 9 great scene,she's pretending to sew & he doesn't know what to do with himself so he resorts to his old trick of standing at the window Its a shame that Lizzy can't walk over to him & sod propriety & slip her arms around him. 10 I play peek-a-boo with this scene,I watch,look away,watch,look away.I take her refusal to heart,howcould she do it to him & all that pacing,can you imagine him as an expectant father damp hair,unshaven & perhaps a slightly male smell after the journey, just enough to turn you on.

Wow! Drool has swelled to a river since yesterday. What a nice deluge to return to! Danielle, I suspect you are going to freak with thrilling excitement when you see all this! (Esbee) Reminds me of the 'there's no wrong way to eat a Recess Peanut Butter Cup' commericals .... going straight for the good stuff in the middle; nibbling slowly around the edges; top to bottom/left to right... Yes Esbee, and there is practically nothing better than chocolate that melts in your mouth. Practically... (Judy)This is the place to own up & anything goes,as you've already guessed from reading Sadies posts. LOL! You might want to read earlier Kilt ravings by Judy too. (Where was that Judy, on the Odds & Ends board?) Danielle I love that confident strut.While the rest of the shooting party are all spent Darcy's gun is still cocked,primed & ready to shoot its load. BTW does anyone have a comprehensive list of his waistcoats or do I need to watch & count buttons? You want to know how many times you need to bite a button off? -D Observation about phallic symbol:1. V. good! Times I have drooled while reading all these posts by entire drool crew: 2000. Good. Newest Member: Bethanne, bloody fantastic! (Bethanne)This combination of anger and desire on his face as he watches her walk into the room GETS ME RIGHT HERE !! Now where would that be again?...(BTW Donna, I thought your question was a v. good one!)Don't stop drooling, pleasssssse. Tracy's right --- I know I cannot get it out of my system. You are obviously divinely sent. Some things are eternal afterall, and the mystery of Darcy is never solved. (Judy's made it into a new religion *slight scamper sideways as she tries to keep a straight face at calling the kettle again*) And I'll second Judy's comment, you should write fanfic, you have such a way with words. O to be the wood in that chair frame !! LOL! I can think of some other things I'd like to be! (Yet not like Charles and Camilla routine. V.confusing...) (Judy)Its a shame that Lizzy can't walk over to him & sod propriety & slip her arms around him. (Heide) Our family and friends would never recognize us here though if they'd look a little more closely they may notice a few signs of Darcy madness - that constant swallowing as we try to keep the drool down, the locked doors and shuttered windows as we closet ourselves away with the VCR, and of course the sudden barks of "Wot?!" when we hear something truly impertinent. LOL Heide, so well said! *sigh* It's a good thing we have fanfic authors (like Heide and Esbee, Gail, and on occasion Danielle. Hint, hint, hint). Actually, I'd really like to see the man begging more! (Bethanne, Judy knows what a cruel streak I have towards Darcy, even if he is irresistible -D) Imagine his suffering during their courtship? So delicious! Ok, now be honest people. "Indeed I do not dare"? But how much would he dare? Lassie, I don't think we've met before, but you mentioned you've been around for 5 years. Hello! Oh dear, have burned my food again, was sooooo preoccupied.

Have just forced myself (oh what tortune ;-P~~~) to watch the first half of P&P again with an eye on the subtle. It hasn't struck me before, but I noticed how on many occasions, when Darcy utters what should be a stinging attack or damning comment on somebody - particularly in conversation with Bingley, the faintest glimmer of a wry smile graces that gorgeous face. Perhaps Darcy is making poor attempts at humour but the poor boy gets it all wrong and he winds up being sooo misunderstood! Anybody else noticed this or is it just me staring at the screen willing the corners of his mouth to turn up! One of my favourite 'looks' comes when he asks Lizzie to dance at Lucas Lodge (or is it...damn showing my ignorance) and is rejected. There is that initial look of absolute gob-smackedness - how dare she reject me, ME - coupled with Hmmm - she has spirit....I LIKE that! . He watches her, completely mesmerized, as she walks off and when Caroline Bingley says she knows what he is thinking ..he is totally transfixed and has an X rated look on his face..."I should imagine not" *smirk*...you can most definitely read his mind - it would make fantastic fanfic material I've no doubt! ;-o

Sadie how could you- kilt- *woof* woof*pant*woof* I've no idea where it was you're the elephant*duck* As far as I'm aware I tried to talk about it on every board,I get around you know-D 'you want to know how many times you need to bite a button off?-D' now you given me the idea I do,all the way down! *slight scamper sideways as she tries to keep a straight face at calling the kettle again* Lmao & you a founding member .'scamper sideways* sounds like crabs to me *running fast* 'Imagine his suffering during courtship? So delicious!' LoL you've just given prove of that cruel streak, although I'll always back you up on it (Tracy) It would make fantastic fanfic material! I've no doubt!;-O okay you've just volunteered yourself

(Tracy)he is totally transfixed and has an X rated look on his face..."I should imagine not" *smirk*...you can most definitely read his mind - it would make fantastic fanfic material I've no doubt! ;-o LOL Tracy! I know what was going through my mind watching his naughty expression. (Tracy)I noticed how on many occasions, when Darcy utters what should be a stinging attack or damning comment on somebody - particularly in conversation with Bingley, the faintest glimmer of a wry smile graces that gorgeous face. I agree Tracy. And in the book, we only know of Darcy being rude on the one famous occasion (until much later, when Miss Bingley reveals his "I should as soon call her mother a wit" remark) On reading the book again, it's easy to see how Lizzy is misconstruing both his motives and character on several occasions. Jane points out that she never thought Mr.Darcy looked as disagreeable the way Lizzy did. And so often, he smiles at all the saucy things Lizzy says to him. I agree with Aunt Gardiner: he "only wants a little more liveliness". His sense of humour is already there. (Remember how he teases her about dancing a reel, and she replies, only if you put on your kilt --- oops, sorry --- was Judy's version!) (Judy)now you given me the idea I do,all the way down! But can you handle those big buttons on either side of the breeches? Hmmm, comment may be misconstrued...kilt, kilt, kilt...down DOGGIE down. 'scamper sideways* sounds like crabs to me *running fast* LOL! Yes you better run, but it won't save you from going insane eventually -D *takes a bow, but only to examine those buttons*

The way Lizzy thought Darcy was disagreeable, I mean. I believe that may be a dangler. -D

(Tracy) ...I noticed how on many occasions, when Darcy utters what should be a stinging attack or damning comment on somebody - particularly in conversation with Bingley, the faintest glimmer of a wry smile graces that gorgeous face Tracy i've noticed this as well. It's almost like he's attempting to start a lively debate - or encourage Bingly to voice a point of view that is different from his own. But, before he can get the converstation going- the sisters immediately jump in with their opinon of how right Darcy is. This is one of the things i believe Darcy finds so apealing about Lizzy - she forms her own opinion and says what she thinks. (Tracy)He watches her, completely mesmerized, as she walks off and when Caroline Bingley says she knows what he is thinking ..he is totally transfixed and has an X rated look on his face..."I should imagine not" *smirk*...you can most definitely read his mind - it would make fantastic fanfic material I've no doubt! ;-o (Judy) okay you've just volunteered yourself LOL! she did indeed! Go to it Tracy... that's an excellent idea you had, and a great place to start writing fanfic - alittle fantacy interlude is just the thing for a new writer to start with!!! and, speaking of fanfic.... Bethanne!!!!!! YOU need to be writing! (oh, and hello btw *grin* I dont believe we've actually met... i'm EsBee) When i was reading the descriptions of your top ten i kept thinking to myself 'Why is this girl not writing fanfic?' I see Sadie and Judy agree with me - hope to see you posting over at 134 soon! (er... it is 134 isnt it? might be wrong, hav'ta double check) Also - Lassie - hello to you as well! i dont believe we've met before either

Hi Folks I just got back from Barnes and Noble where I saw the P&P DVD for sale. Isn't it supposed to have a "Making of " feature added to it ? I saw nothing on the cover blurb about any additional material. The total running time is 310 mins too, which is only about the basic 6 episodes worth. I don't want to splurge for something, if its the exact same thing that I already have on video tape. Anybody know ? What's the deal on the documentary " From page to screen " that I have seen redered to in several earlier drools. How does one acquire a copy ? Have any of you seen it ? Is there much Colin/Darcy in it, or is it all boring stuff about costumes, sets, music etc ? In earlier drools, I have also seen references to Darcy leaving Huntsford Parsonage in great distress, after the first proposal scene. The way he stalks back across the fields to Rosings, is listed in several drools, as a Top 5 moment. I have never seen this on my version taped from the A&E Channel. I heard that several scenes were cut short to facilitate all the commercial breaks, but this is one I just JUST LOVE TO see ! Could anybody post some snappies ? See ya !

(Bethanne Denny) Isn't it supposed to have a "Making of " feature added to it ? The DVD with the making of feature is being released in the UK.

However, the US DVD should have all the scenes that were cut from the A&E broadcast. They were shown when A&E broadcast P&P on its classroom series early in the morning. Wasn't it commercialess? These two are from his walk from Hunsford back to Rosings: Here's another you wouldn't have seen. After Lizzy leaves Lambton, the darling Bingley sisters make a crack about "aren't you glad they're gone?" To which Darcy erupts with a "Wot?!" and gets up and stamps out of the room.

Here's that second one. Don't know what I did...

Thanks for posting these Karen. Like Bethanne, I've only seen the A&E version. I'm planning to treat myself to watching the extra minutes as soon as work settles down. BTW, that first is a lovely shot! Such a dear curl and he looks so devastated! And in the last shot, so stricken yet also angry!

Ladies, you have unleashed a ferocious beast here ! O stop it, I'm not talking about Darcy and Lizzie's wedding night ( gulp .) No, I'll leave that for the talented ladies at Fan Fic. I'm talking about your response to my Darcy drools. I was going to stop at a Top 10 a la David Letterman, but screw it, there are a lot more than 10 drool worthy clips in P&P, so here goes 11-15 11. Mr Darcy takes a dive. (Jeez I can't believe this is only number 11, what on earth is the matter with me ? ) Anyway, that wet shirt......'scuse me a sec while I take a few deep breaths.... breathe in, breathe out, breath in....ok, I'm fit to continue now. Anyway, I just love watching him disrobe in stages, first the jacket, then the cravat, then the waistcoat. The way his delectable body is gradually revealed to us, mirrors how his charms are gradually revealed to Lizzie also. I love the look on his face before he dives in, so tormented,so unhappy. His distress is in such contrast to the icy cool man we first see at he Assembly Rooms at Meryton. On the walk back to Pemberley I love how the shirt is not completley plastered to his chest. I mean, the sun would have partially dried it, wouldn't it ? However, it is wet enough to just HINT at a manly,hairy chest beneath, without revealing everything that's there. After all, what is hinted at, is often far more erotic, than what is displayed out in the open. Dontcha' think ? It is probably Lizzie's first glimpse at a partially disrobed lucious male animal, so we know she HAS to be just a tad hot and bothered. I know we are ! 12. Watching Lizzie dance with Mr Collins. I love the sneering smile he gives her as he watches Mr Colins bump into that lady. It mirrors the distain for her family that he later mentions in the proposal scene. Anyway, as disgusted as he is by the idiotic Mr Collins, he can't help but smirk, as for once, he gets to laugh at HER. Up to this, she has been the one laughing at him, but now he gets to turn the tables on her, by sniggering at the stupidity of her dancing partner. For once, HE has the power to make HER feel inadequate and you know he has to be enjoying it. I don't think he is a malicious person at heart, who likes making people feel small. Its just that in a way, its pay-back time, for the way she made him feel like a fool while she was staying at Netherfield. Then in the blink of an eye, the O so sexy, snooty distain is back, as he watches the dancers go down the line. Yum, yum, yum. 13. The "on foot" interchange as she arrives at Netherfield. I love the " up- yours, asshole ! " curtsey that she gives him. She follow the polite convention of the day, by curtseying to him, but we are left in no doubt as to her feelings for him. I feel he is already attracted to her here, but is not so completley under her spell that he can't respond in kind to her impudent display of dislike. He stands back to let her preceed him into the house (ladies first, afer all ) but his body language drips sarcastic dilike also. Look at the semi-mocking smile on his face as she passes him by. He all but says " Good God, look at the state you are in " He is able to give as good as he gets here and I feel, they meet as equals for the last time until Pemberley. From now on, as she stays longer and longer at Netherfield, he falls more and more under her spell and, he has to struggle to maintain his composure, as Lizzie constantly bests him in their verbal sparring matches. Look at the delicious way 2 people outwardly are following the polite conventions of the day, but bubbling underneath, are fat stormier feelings. 14. "I shall overcome this" fencing scene. Ooooooooooo....... his pain, his torment, his overwhelming physical longing for Elizabeth that he trys to channel into other physical activities, but he fails miserably ! Look at the intensity on his face as he parries and thrusts ( picturing Wickham bleeding to death, maybe ) and the tortured look on his face as he says " I shall over come this " . He is determined to overcome his longing for Lizzie as he feels his sanity may depend on it. but remember, this intense emotional turmoil takes place 6 months after he last saw Lizzie. Just imagine what a wreak he must have been in in the days and weeks immedialtley following his departure from Rosings. Sigh !!!!!!! Another simpler explanation for the attraction of this scene, is the heaving, sweating wet white-shirt-clad hunk of a man that is once more, on display. Makes perfect sense when you think about it. 15 This one is hard to explain, but bear with me. Lizzie playing the piano at Rosings. Darcy with a flick of his coat tails (see previous post of a few days ago ) and a click of his heels leaves his aunt talking to herself and, stalks over to Lizzie and Fitzwiliam at the piano. They enter another verbal fencing match and the conversation veers towards Darcy's self-confessed inability to converse eaily with strangers. Still with me ? OK. Remember Lizzie and Darcy dancing at the Netherfield ball ? They dance in silence at first, but Lizzie just to needle him, forces him to talk to her. She makes the statement " We are both of an unsociable, taciturn disposition, unwillinging to speak, unless we will say something that will amaze the whole room " Ok, now back to Darcy and Lizzie at Rosings. She is still needling him about his unsociable disposition and he responds " You are perfectly right, we, (pausing) neither of us perform to strangers " He stops and smiles slightly. Note they both say " we" when in effect, they are supposed to be just talking about themselves. What's up with that ? Subconsiously, Darcy is already uniting himself with Lizzie in is head and, I think it is sexy as hell. As for Lizzie, I feel that she feels a pull toward him from the get go, an unconsious attraction if you will. On a consious level she is unaware of it, as his pompous behaviour in general, gives her more than enough ammo to dislike him. But I really feel, that she subconsioulsy recognises him to be her intellectual from the very beginning and its just a matter of time befor she succumbs to her destiny. Was that too deep, sorry if it was ? I just feel its an interesting topic. Does Lizzie feel the first flickers at Pemberley or does it start earlier but remain dormant because Darcy is acting like a moron ? Hmmmmmmmm ? Phew, I'm pooped !! See ya.

Oh yes, Bethanne. These are fave scenes of mine too. I have no idea how to decide between so many, but it's fun to see how others rank them. It is probably Lizzie's first glimpse at a partially disrobed lucious male animal, so we know she HAS to be just a tad hot and bothered. I know we are ! Yes, his appearance must hit her with full force, not to mention his politeness. Look at the intensity on his face as he parries and thrusts ( picturing Wickham bleeding to death, maybe ) and the tortured look on his face as he says " I shall over come this " . Or he may be thinking of Lizzy as he parries and thrusts. She has not relieved his suffering after all. Clearly the earlier billiard shot gave him no relief, so he's moved on to a more powerful activity. For, although the gun cocked and loaded is potentially v. effective, it never did get to discharge. -D

Dunno what happened there. It posted twice but cut #15 off in the first one. O well, hope you can stil read it. Yikes, sorry its so long. So that sthe story behind "Wot" I always wondered. Jeez, I wish I could have seen him storm out of the room. He moves so beautifully when he is pissed off. Amaaaaaaaazing pix. I can't wait to see them for real on the DVD. O God look at the stormy expression on his face at Rosings. Someone help me please, I'm falling.....thud....I'm gone !!!

Sadie, you are toooooo funny. " Clearly the billiard ball gave him no relif " You lot are hysterical !! I don't think I have laughed so much in my entire life as I have, since I discovered this site. PS The third line from the end on fav drool scene #15 should read "intellectual and emotional equal " I left out 2 words by mistake.

Bethanne, am getting rid of the first, incomplete post. (Sadie) I agree with Aunt Gardiner: he "only wants a little more liveliness". His sense of humour is already there. (Remember how he teases her about dancing a reel I always wished they'd included this scene; it's a fav of mine and would've shown far more of his true character.

Yikes! Ladies, get thee to a BestBuy or Costco and get that A&E boxed set! You're missing plenty...okay, maybe 5 minutes in total but there are extra precious seconds of Darcy in there. Besides, if all you're relying on are your home tapes, they must be worn very thin. A&E only shows P&P but once a year now. (Bethanne) Does Lizzie feel the first flickers at Pemberley or does it start earlier but remain dormant because Darcy is acting like a moron ? LOL!! Watch out, you might get a debate going here. I think there's the Jane Austen version (the inimitable original) and the Andrew Davies version. Much of the time the twain meets but there are tangents Davies takes that real students of the book (not me) would barely recognize. Some of those tangents have been so deliciously described by the ladies above. Then there are further developments Jane takes that Davies doesn't adapt as Karen suggests. (Karen) I always wished they'd included this scene; it's a fav of mine and would've shown far more of his true character. Would have been lovely. Jane describes Darcy after this scene that he "had never been so bewitched by any woman as he was by her". I'm all for more scenes showing Darcy going under. I also wish we could've had the scene in the garden at Netherfield where Elizabeth and Louisa run into Darcy and Caroline walking together. Louisa abruptly leaves Lizzy alone to join her sister but Darcy "felt their rudeness" and suggested they all walk together in the avenue. Of course Lizzy is happy to decline but we see Darcy is attentive to her feelings.

(Bethanne)As for Lizzie, I feel that she feels a pull toward him from the get go, an unconsious attraction if you will. Bingo, Bethanne...Jennifer Ehle says so in that "From Page to Screen"tape. and she plays it that way... Isn't anybody gonna mention their second meeting at the Lambton Inn..after she has received Jane's letter about Lydia...and he drops in to find her distressed... Take it away....Bethanne...

WOW! 34 new of 1262 responses total. This was greeting as I returned to my beloved Drool today! Oh, if all weekends could end as blissfully as being able to drool for half-an-hour! OK, I could think of a few more blissful events, but CF is otherwise engaged! Anyway... thank you Bethane for stirring it up again! The scene with Darcy walking to the piano at Rosings....! *siiiiiiiiiiiigh* At one or two little instances, you could see right betwen his coattail and legs... *siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh* bowl legs! yippee ki-ya!!! CF definitely has been riding horses for a while...

Heide, actually there are 20 extra minutes in the commercially boxed set as opposed to the A&E version.

Yup, Heide, I'm aware I may be stirring some stuff up here but sometimes I just can't help myself. It's such a delicious topic to conjecture upon, dontcha' think ? I'm not for a minute suggesting Lizzie feels for Darcy the way he feels for her, at the very begginning. I have too much respect for the integrity of Jane Austen's character to propose that theory. However, I have always had a problem with Jane Austen's reasons for Lizzie finally falling in love with Darcy (ie) he has a nice house and wasn't such a jerk to Wickham after all. To me, it just never added up. So I just think there was a teeny, weeny attraction there, that his utter jerkdom at the beginning all but obliterated. I think there HAS to be, or her subsequent falling for him, doesn't seem plausible. Then again ,it could just be the product of my overactive imagination. Here are my reasons and, I am taking these all from the book, not the TV series. 1. She DOES think and talk about him a a lot, especially in the book. Mind you her thoughts are rarely complimentary, but he IS on her mind a lot. She puts a lot of energy into verbally sparring with him, why does she put so much time and effort into this ? Why does she feel such a compulsion to cut him down to size ? Maybe she subconsciously, feels threatned by his possible power over her, so she deliberately trys to keep him at a distance. 2. At the Netherfield ball, Lizzie's mother and sisters are embarressing her with their vulgarity and she watches Darcy to see his reaction to them. Here is a direct quote from the book: " She could not help frequently glancing her eye at Mr Darcy, though every glance convinced her of what she dreaded " Why does his like or dislike of her family matter so much to her ? If she really despised him, she couldn't care less what he thinks...but she DOES care. Why is that ? We know that the Bingley sisters and Lady Catherine don't really like her, but their disapproval doesn't really seem to bother her all that much, but HIS does. Why ? 3. At Rosings she talks with Col Fitzwilliam about Darcy breaking up Bingley's romance with Jane. In the book, that scene is 4 pages long. The Bingley/Jane bit is on the last page, but they spend the first 2 1/2 just talking about Mr Darcy. For a man she dislikes so much, she sure does talk about him a lot. What is going on with her mind subliminally here ? 4. I really feel that from the get go, she is stimulated mentally by him and that is very important to her, especially when you consider the rather stifling, dull, word she lives in. Don't forget how intelligent she is, in a time period when women were supposed to be nothing more than dainty little wallflowers. He respects her intelligence and lets her give full reign to her opinions, while also displaying his own considerable brain power. It's a shame he is such a pompous ass at the begining, as it wipes out his good character qualities( his treatment of her as a intellectual equal, which is really ahead of its time ) but then we wouldn't have a story if she falls for him on page 1, now would we ? Thats it, I'm out !

His legs are quite straight. His gait makes them look less so.

(Bethanne)However, I have always had a problem with Jane Austen's reasons for Lizzie finally falling in love with Darcy (ie) he has a nice house and wasn't such a jerk to Wickham after all. To me, it just never added up. So I just think there was a teeny, weeny attraction there, that his utter jerkdom at the beginning all but obliterated. I think there HAS to be, or her subsequent falling for him, doesn't seem plausible. LOL Bethanne, this debate rages on at the Pemberley site every so often. Here are my two cents. I pretty much agree with you about a prior attraction, but I differ with you a little bit about Austen's reasons for Lizzie finally falling for Darcy. I've always thought Lizzy is incredibly strong; she simply will not give her heart to a man who has not learned to "please a woman worthy of being pleased" no matter how sexy, intelligent, good-looking, powerful, and wealthy he is --- and no matter how much she feels an attraction. I think it's in keeping with Austen's view of love as reasonable love directed at a worthy object --- and love as a function of real knowledge of another person, rather than fantasy (love at first sight). After all, Darcy's behaviour is not acceptable (until he reforms) no matter how basically decent a person he is; his greatest failure in behaviour is committed against Lizzy when he insults her --- very ungallant, considering his power in the world, compared to hers. (Remember, Emma com its a similar wrong.) But I also think Austen enjoys teasing us with hints of human frailty and timing of events as factors in characters' subjective judgements about others e.g. the very human thoughts Lizzy has while touring Pemberley. (I think Austen is having a little fun at Lizzy's expense, too.) Ok. this is not very drooly. So in the interest of focus: Darcy's no gurly-mon! Imagine how exciting their quarrels will be after they are married! I like Judy's suggested scenario: You have said quite enough Madam! To bed!

Bingo Sadie, you hit the nail on the head. You describe perfectly, how Lizzie's spirited disgust over his unchivallrous behaviour, will always win out over his considerable worldly attributes, until he reforms. I couldn't have have said it better myself. What was Judy's scenario suggestion ? Did I miss something ? Yup, I am slobbering over my keyboard thinking of the electricity in the air during one of their married quarrels. The sexual tension in the air, as they fight, is what makes the TV series so amazing. Just imagine how much more intense it would get as a married couple, when they both know where the fights will end up being settled. ( gulp ) I doubt if they would even make it to the privacy of their bedroom, half the time ! Gotta go now, my keyboard is so wet I'm afraid I'll electrocute myself. Where the heck is the bloody Cling-wrap when I need it ?

Wow! My first time on-line in a few days and so much to read! Love it! Thanks Bethanne for getting a lively conversation going. And I love your drool list - it's fun to hear (well, see) someone else's take on those treasured scenes. The opposite of love is not hate but indifference. Lizzy is certainly not indifferent to Darcy either in the book or show. I think Lizzy is well on her way to feeling more amiable towards Darcy after his letter. Remember she keeps it all those months and I sure she reads it over and over again. I think at first she is more ashamed of her own behavior but gradually her feelings turn to warmth towards Darcy. His actions at Pemberley were the little nudge she needed to get to love.

Hi Gail - I agree 100% with your post. After reading his letter and going through the normal period of resentment and mortification, I believe she started to see his decent side. Although, she would not allow herself to admit it. But by the time she got to Pemberly, she was open to seeing his good side. As you said, all she needed was the little nudge. She was open to his advances, imo, before she ever set eyes on Pemberly.

My, my, this topic has exploded! Great analysis of your top 15, Bethanne. Agree with all (but also agree with Evelyn, scene at Inn is one of my favs--'shall I call a doctor?'). As Heide advised, anyone not in possession of the boxed set of tapes or the DVD must invest--many of us paid around $100 for them a few years ago (money well spent, IMO); the prices are much more reasonable now. Karen and Heide, agree with that missing scene (about dancing a reel). Love the line 'indeed I do not dare.' There are so many from the book I can imagine being well done by the P&P2 cast, such as Mrs. Bennet effusing about Lizzy's engagement. I've always been of the opinion that Lizzy (Austen and Davies versions) was definitely subliminally/subconsciously attracted to Darcy from the get-go. Hello and welcome, Lassie. Was that you in the movie 'Frannie Come Home'? ;-D

(Eileen)but also agree with Evelyn, scene at Inn is one of my favs--'shall I call a doctor?'). What he wants to do is to envelop her in his arms ..but he only dares to hold her hand ever so gently....What a moment...

(Evelyn) he only dares to hold her hand ever so gently....What a moment... *sigh* oh yeah. that gets me everytime too. *double sigh*

Another nomination for "best ommitted scene" Darcy and Lizzie are in the library at Netherfield. He keeps his nose stuck in his book and won't even look at her coz' he is afraid he has been paying her too much attention already. This is what JA writes in the book. " Steady to his purpose, he scarcely spoke 10 words to her through the whole of Sunday, and though they were at one time left by themselves for half an hour, he adheared most conscientiously to his book and, would not even look at her " Just Imagine how it could be filmed and how much intensity CF could inject into the scene without even opening his mouth. Here goes. A clock ticking on the mantlepiece is the only sound in the room as its 2 occupants keep their head lowered, both refusing to look up or be the first to break the silence. Darcy's eyes are glued to the pages of his book but he doesn't see a word and his hand trembles slightly as he turn the pages. Not a word is spoken, but the silence gets louder and louder and the tension in the room can be cut like a knife. Darcy wills himself not to look up and with icy determination, he keeps his head lowered as the words on the page dance befoer his eyes. Lizzie sits there all calm and composed, probably enjoying his obvious discomfort at having to share a room with a woman he dislikes. However, the REAL reason for his discomfort, would probably shock her if she knew of it. He sticks a finger in between the top of his cravat and the base of his neck (which feels hot and flushed to the touch) and loosens his cravat imperceptibly, wondering why Lizzie doesn't seem to feel as bothered by the heat as he is. A fine film of persperation breaks out on his forehead and upper lip and, he can feel a bead of sweat slowly trickle down between his shoulder blades to pool at the top of his fine buckskin breeches. Before too long, his fine linen shirt is soaked to the skin and he grimaces in distaste. He shifts slightly in his chair and turns his body away from the heat of the fire. Finally, mercifully, after 30 minutes of sheer physical torture, he hears voices in the hallway. Bingley and Jane have returned from their tour of the portrait gallery and he says a silent prayer of thanks for their arrival. He gathers his wits, to at least APPEAR civil when they arrive back in the room. He shitfs in his chair again, trying to ease the painful tightness in his breeches and forces a look of polite distinterest onto his overheated, flushed face. Lizzie gets up to greet her sister, also happy to see them return. She sneeks a peek at Mr Darcy and leaves the room, arm and arm with her sister, thinking " Wot' a disagreeable man ! "

LOL Bethanne, thankyou for this scene! You know how I love for Darcy to suffer with his desire! There were a couple things I meant to add on the Lizzy attraction thing. I remember it once being discussed that her admiration of Pemberley was really an encoded way of Austen describing her admiration for Darcy's sexual potency. Pemberley "stood well on rising ground". LOL! at v. least, his house reflects his taste. I'm so glad that Gail and Donna mentioned the letter too. His letter is really lifegiving; Lizzy grows as a person because of it, just as Darcy grows after Elizabeth's setdown. It's funny how much this model of love fits today's "new" thinking about relationships here in the U.S. And elsewhere? Danielle, I knew you'd be thrilled! Regarding Judy's earlier reel comment --- it's not that far back --- probably within a few weeks, on this very board. I have to agree with others about the inn scene. He so gently leads her to her chair, and so reluctantly relinquishes first her one arm, and then the other. *sigh*

Other ommitted scenes: *feel free to write them, Bethanne, hint, hint* The three scenes Austen only briefly mentions when Darcy seeks Elizabeth out in Rosings Park. He obviously thinks he's actively courting her, and she's completely clueless about why he's asking all these odd, unconnected questions! V. sexy when he alludes to her staying in the house on her next visit. I can just imagine all the fantasizing he must be engaging in at this point, when he's on the verge of proposing. So go to it, Bethanne!

Yup, yup, yup to everything, Sadie. I love the "odd" questions he asks her at Rosings, especially the one implying that she will be staying there, the next time she is in Kent. Also, he asks her about her love of "solitary walks"...a coded way of saying he recognises and admires her love of....ahem.... strenuous physical exercise, perhaps ? Naturally, my overheated brain isn't just refering to walking and neither is his ! Did you notice in the scene where he visits her at Huntsford and she is by herself, that they ommitted the bit where he moved his chair toward her slightly ? They left that out totally. In fact, in the book, her surprised reaction to his doing so, is the reason he gets up and leaves. It would have been a nice touch to add, dontcha' think ? I too, love the inn at Lambton scene where he reluctantly lets go of her hand. What intruiges me is, what is he doing there in the first place and by him self too ? We know she will be dinning again that night at Pemberley, so why not wait until then to see her ? I love how he just can't bear to be away from her and the wait until dinner-time is just too long for the poor lamb. Would he have proposed again so soon ? I don't think so, but its nice to imagine what they would have gotten up to, but for Jane's letter about Lydia. I think he goes there just to ressure himself that he wasn't dreaming, that she was actually NICE to him the night before and, that the whole wonderful evening wasn't just a product of his fevered dreams and longings. Plus, his intentionally going to see her, by himself, without the Bingley's or Georgiana in tow, is sexy as hell. He does not feel the need for others to be around to act as a buffer zone between them.. He is starting to feel confident in his ability to make her want to be with him also. In the past they were only ever alone by accident....but now he is blatant in his desire to see her by herself and, he is not afraid to advertise the fact to the world. I love his the impatient way he gets dressed that morning. He just can't wait to see her again. You can just imagine the joy he must be feeling considering her hasn't seen her in 6 months and the impatience he must feel to make up for lost time. I can just imagine his spirits soaring coz' she isn't giving him the cold shoulder, which must surprise him, considering the disatrous 1st proposal. See how impatient he is with his valet as he gets dressed ? It's out of character, if we can believe the housekeeper, Mrs Reynolds who calls him the "best of masters" but God love him, he's not in his right mind now that Lizzie is back in his life. Watch him gallop off to Lambton and just before he passes out of the camera shot, he applies the whip to the horse to speed him up....sigh...drool....sigh !

Well Bethanne, you sure do know how to get the rest of us drooling!! Glad that you found us! I loved your library scenerio. he can feel a bead of sweat slowly trickle down between his shoulder blades to pool at the top of his fine buckskin breeches. Wait...I'll get that! slurp....slurp....slurp.... And the scene at the Lambton Inn - He does not feel the need for others to be around to act as a buffer zone between them.. He is starting to feel confident in his ability to make her want to be with him also. In the past they were only ever alone by accident....but now he is blatant in his desire to see her by herself and, he is not afraid to advertise the fact to the world. I never looked at it like that before - I like your perspective. (Sadie) at v. least, his house reflects his taste. I always thought that Lizzy's attraction to Pemberley was not due to its obvious wealth but to Darcy's good taste (although I do like the analogy to sexual potency!). She was not motivated by money, even though she later jokes about it with Jane, otherwise she would have accepted Darcy's first proposal. And she was not at all impressed by Rosings even though it was described as being even more sumptuous than Pemberley. This was just another side of Darcy that she could admire and which helped to move her further along the route to love.

(Sadie) when Darcy seeks Elizabeth out in Rosings Park. He obviously thinks he's actively courting her, and she's completely clueless about why he's asking all these odd, unconnected questions! I have to agree. Would've loved to have seen these scenes.

Re: Lizzie's attraction to Darcy 'coz has a beautiful, elegant home. I hate to say it, but he is probably not the one responsible for it. Don't forget, the Darcy's are an old and noble family. The house has probably been around for a very long time and he probably inheirited it as it was, more or less, from his father. Remember ( in the book ) where Caroline Bingley is gushing over the wonderful library at Pemberley ? Darcy replies " It ought to be good, it has been the work of many generations " I know we all know him to be a man of taste and refinement, but we probably shouldn't give him all the credit for the gorgeous house. Still, its nice to drool over it, isn't it ?

Another nomination for best scenes left out of the TV series. Anybody else sorry that the part in the book, where Darcy comes to dinner at Netherfield, but doesn't talk much to Lizzie, was left out of the TV version ? It's one of my favourite parts of the book. I love how the tables have now been turned on her. For most of the book/TV series, Darcy is the one gazing longingly at Lizzie, but now she is the one acting all mushy and love struck. Ths is what JA wrote: Darcy had walked away to another part of the room. She followed him with her eyes, envied everyone to whom he spoke, had scarcely patience enough to help anyone to coffee; and then was enraged with herself for being so silly. Wouldn't that have looked wonderful on film ?

And in that scene they stare at each other whilst playing cards. He returns the coffee cup to her and she is so disappointed that she is not able to linger there with him. Definitely should have been added along with the Rosings walks.

Yes, Bethanne, I did notice the absence of a moving chair in the Hunsford scene! But I didn't mind this more understated version. I wonder if we could have believed that Lizzy can't sense his attraction if it were more overt --- despite Darcy's quick reversion to distancing tactics. Forgive the double negatives. In the book, the tete-a-tete ends when Charlotte and Maria return. (Bethanne)I think he goes there just to ressure himself that he wasn't dreaming, that she was actually NICE to him the night before and, that the whole wonderful evening wasn't just a product of his fevered dreams and longings. I really like this account of it! And I agree, he's not afraid to show the world that he's courting. And don't you love his bedroom? I think they deliberately included it to tantalize us.

(Bethanne)Re: Lizzie's attraction to Darcy 'coz has a beautiful, elegant home. I hate to say it, but he is probably not the one responsible for it. Don't forget, the Darcy's are an old and noble family. The house has probably been around for a very long time and he probably inheirited it as it was, more or less, from his father. True, but he did just redo "a very pretty sitting-room, lately fitted up with greater elegance and lightness than the apartments below" for his sister. (BTW, a further contrast between his true taste and Lady C's ostentation at Rosings?) He's very much in charge and placing his stamp on his own house. And, he is always buying books for that libary too. I've always thought that if Lizzy had any weakness, it would be for his fairyland woods. The wood nymph has found her home. Regarding Longbourn scene: I really miss it in the film version for every reason you've said and also Moons' reasons.

Well, you know I meant "Moon's" 'cause I know there is only one of you!

They shouldn't have missed any scene out that involved Darcy .I've always thought that they concentrated too much on Lydia & Wickham at the endat the expense of some wonderful Darcy scenes,some of which have already been mentioned,the meal at Longbourn should never have been missed out but also the scene after their engagement has become public knowledge,thats Darcy drool lost & wasted, instead I have to imagine it myself,which bulging breeches he wore,which waistcoat.

Well, you know I meant "Moon's" 'cause I know there is only one of you! Here on Earth there is only one Moon, but where I come from well... ;-)

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Bethanne! Loved the library scene! And I agree with all the missing scenes too! It was such an excellent miniseries, but I can tell that at least some of us have read the book as much as watched the tapes! Bravo! I must also add that I wanted to see all the arguments at Netherfield, especially the one with 'poetry being the food of love' and the one with Bingley describing Darcy as 'I do not know a more awful object... on particular occassions', etc. Talk about CF melting the stage camera with his eyes on those scenes! *sigh*

Yum, yum, what lovely drooling today. MOON, I agree about the missing cards scene. It would have been cute to see them both being chided by their playing partners, for not paying attention to the game. I can just see Darcy sitting there, with his cards upsidedown and not even realising it. Dontcha' just drool over the possibilities of the coffee cup. You can just see them standing so close to each other, 2 heaving chests separated only by a dainty little porcelain cup. Maybe we can hear a faint rattle of cup on saucer, coz' Darcy's hand is trembling ever so slightly. SADIE, You are right about not showing Darcy moving his chair toward Lizzie when he visits her at Huntsford. I suppose it would have made his attraction to her, a wee bit too obvious. But then, he hasn't exactly been subtle in his attraction to her her, has he? I mean all those invitations to dance, not to mention all those intense, smouldering looks. They sure as hell send our blood pressure skyward....dunno why Lizzie remains unaffected for so long. Is she human ? I disagree about Darcy's bedroom. Yes, it was lovely to get a peek into his boudoir, but don't you think red satin wall paper and bedcoverings are just a tad gaudy for a man of such taste and elegance ? The blue bedroom at Rosings was far nicer, I thought. JUDY: I agree wholeheartidly that NO scene with Darcy and Lizzie should have been left out. They gave Lydia/Wickham and Jane/Bingley waaaaaaaaay too much time, in my humble opinion. I know they had to show some of them, coz' they are relevant to the story, but not at the expense of leaving out so much Darcy and Lizzie. I especially, would have loved to see the post-engagement scene, where she gets him to account for falling in love with her. However, a relaxed, laid back Darcy speaking freely about his love for her....guys I don't think I could have handled that. Maybe, for the sake of my hormones/sanity/heart-rate I'm glad they didn't show it. ( In another 48 years, I'll actually start to believe that too. ) DANIELLE: Bingo on the wonderful love poetry arguement between them and especially the " I do not know a more awful object......" scene too. Do you remember in the book that Lizzie was about to laugh at Bingley's remark, but that she checked herself because she could sense that Darcy was offended by the remark ? Doesn't this show how tuned in she is to his feelings, when she wants to be ? She wants to prevent him pain, if she can help it, without even being aware of it. Sigh, drool, slobber......keep it up !!!!!

OK, here we go........ Darcy dines at Longbourn. This has long been one of my favourite scenes from the book and I was very sad it didn't make it into the TV version. CF could have just murdered this. It is very drool-worthy. We can just imagine how his chocolate pools could smoulder in candle-light. Slurp-slurp-slurp........ Ooops.....I just realised, this should be at Fanfic, shouldn't it ? Sorry ! I only realised my mistake when I already had it all typed up. I'll put Part 2 The Coffee Cup Scene at #130.....that is when I can figure out a way to work in a reference to "painfull tightnesses in his breeches" into drinking coffee. I bet the folks at Starbucks never had this problem ! Anyway, enjoy !! MR DARCY DINES AT LONGBOURN. PART: 1 The dinning room door closed behind Mrs Bennet, with a quiet click, as Darcy leaned back in his chair and let out a deep sigh of relef. He reached for his wine glass and took a deep, satisfying draught of the cool liquid to ease the pain of his dry, parched throat. He exhaled deeply, his first breath, seemingly in over an hour. He had just sat through a 4 course meal at the Bennet house and, he felt as if he had been holding his breath for most of the preceeding hour. In a way, he was glad that he and Lizzie were seated at opposite ends of table, as he didn't trust himself to get through the meal without slobbering all over himself or knocking over his glass, if she had been seated beside him. It was all he could do to keep his countenance, as he watched her bite into a ripe, succulent strawberry earlier, over dessert. It took a mammoth effort of will, not to groan out loud, as he saw her beautiful, rosy red lips stained even redder by the succulent juice of the strawberry. When her tongue snaked out to catch a drop of juice that would have slid down her chin, the tightness in his breeches turned into an actual physical pain. He had to force his brain away from the tempting, tantalising vision in his head, of her mouth opening slowly for him, as he fed her a strawberry from a bowl, balanced precariously on top of a tangle of rumpled, red, silk sheets as they lay in his bed at Pemberley........... With intense willpower, he had forced himself to concentrate on what Mrs Bennet, to his left, was saying, but he remained intensley conscious of Elizabeth's presence accross the table. Her appetite didn't seem any better than his had been, through out the meal. She seemed to push her food around her plate just as listlessly as he did. Was her stomach tied up in the horrible knots that his was ? Did she also feel that she would choke, if she tried to force even the smallest morsel of food down her throat ? With an almost angry glare, he looked up at her, as he clenched and unclenched his fists under the table. But at that moment, Mrs Bennet arose, bidding the ladies to join her in the drawing room for coffee and leave the gentlemen to their brandy and cigars. His back was to the door that Lizzie left through, but he could sense and feel the exact moment that she passed behind his chair. He closed his eyes and caught just the faintest whisper of silk on silk and a delicate, tantalizing scent of roses. He felt momentarily lightheaded and hung onto the back of his chair for suport. He was very grateful that the dim candlelight of the dinningroom did not reveal his heaving chest and sweat slicked brow, so he sat back down and let his breathing slowly return to normal. For the next 30 minutes Darcy listened with half a mind to Mr Bennett and Sir William Lucas discus the upcoming autumn harvest. He had little time for Sir William, but he found himself enjoying Mr Bennet's subtle, dry, wit. In spite of his earlier diapproval, for the way Mr Bennet seemed to let his younger daughters run wild, he could see and appreciate where Lizzie got her own way with words. A tiny smile played about his mouth, as he remembered all their verbal battles over the past year. Even though, she continually ran rings around him, he treasued every single second of them. As grateful as he was, for this time to compose his overheated thoughts and body, he was the first one out of his seat, when Mr Bennet suggested they all join the ladies in the drawing room for coffee. TO BE CONTINUED.............

Bethanne, Whew!! What a delightful way to start the day. Loved that bit with the strawberry! Please, please, please do continue....

Yikes! That strawberry! *fanning flushed face* Simply wonderful Bethanne, you had me completely drawn in. Can't wait for more...

VVG, Bethanne! I am waiting to see what happens next. ;-)

*fanning self* arggyto dlsovl ok, good, human speech dropped back into lust-filled brain! Please do continue!! Do have them ever so slightly touching fingers over the coffee cup! *chest heaves in sympathy with imagined scene* I too wholeheartedly agree with Judy that no Darcy scene should have been left out! LOL Bethanne! Just call me gaudy, I loved the red! Just think of all that repressed passion it implies. Do you remember in the book that Lizzie was about to laugh at Bingley's remark, but that she checked herself because she could sense that Darcy was offended by the remark ? Doesn't this show how tuned in she is to his feelings, when she wants to be ? Yes! and it also shows how refined her manners truly are.

Bethanne wonderful story,I can't believe how many talented writers we have here at drool. Sadie I agree about the red & its implications of repressed passion,love that bed,I even bought a postcard of it when I went to visit.-P

Sadie- Just call me gaudy, I loved the red! Just think of all that repressed passion it implies. Repressed passion??...Those sumptious red drapes, IMO, represent full on, in your face passion *thinks to self*.."If only!" ...*severe bout of unneccessariness*. I'm loving this topic, I hadn't really analysed P&P beyond the obvious areas before. It struck me that the curtains are metaphors for Darcy's feelings (G*d, am sounding like somebody really pretentious in manner of whatsername out of BJD) *getting back to point*.. hear me out, those icy blue curtains of the Rosings chambers echo Darcy's coolness in the handling of the letter in response to Lizzie's refusal of the Hunsford proposal and the dampening of his ardour *clutching at straws*.. And the red - well I don't think anyone is in doubt of his thoughts/feelings as he hurriedly dresses for the Lambton encounter. ;-P~~~ Oh dear ...is that really how my mind works? Now I read this it makes no sense whatsoever, but I'll not delete it as then would not get your fabulous feedback! Be kind..pretty please!

Note to self - stick to what you're good at hon - drooling, analysing just ain't your forte!

I don't know Tracy you're doing well it makes perfect sense to me,The blue & red colours could also represent the coldness & warmth of the atmospheres at Rosings & Pemberley respectively. Although I prefer your idea of them representing the state of D's arousal at any one time.

Ok, I give in on the red (passionate Darcy) vs blue (icy, cold Darcy) drapes on his bed. You are all right, screw his good taste and elegance, I'm all for rampant, uncontrollable desire. Part 2 of Darcy dines at Longbourn to follow shortly