Put me down for a pair of breeches - any pair will do. Not fussy, nope. Any one would do just fine.

Bethanne, Gail, have you been to topic #113? If you ask her nicely, I'm sure Marcia can still find a couple of unclaimed Keepsakes for you ;-)

(Bethanne) Eileen, its funny your video does the same thing as mine does during the face splashing scene at Rosings....poltergeists maybe, or it could just be bad batteries. S'funny..it happens to me especially during "On Foot" and "In vain I have struggled, it will not do....." also. V.odd How 'bout after 'I shall conquer this...I SHALL!' Happens every time. ;-)

(Bethanne)You would take a waistcoast/vest over one of his many wet white shirts or those fawn breeches he wore at Pemberley ? It's official folks, Evelyn has totally lost her mind LOL..you just finding that out??? That waistcoat is sort of sexy..don'tcha think?

Yeah Evelyn, the waistcoats are definatley mucho sexy, but c'mon now, that wet white shirt is on a level with Dorothy's red Wizard of Oz shoes or Elvis's white jumpsuits for sheer cultural icon status....and thats before we even mention the female hormone factor. Eileen - How could we forget Mr Darcy in the Billiard Room with a pool cue and "I would be very happy if you would dance with me Miss Bennet"

(Bethanne)but c'mon now, that wet white shirt is on a level with Dorothy's red Wizard of Oz shoes or Elvis's white jumpsuits for sheer cultural icon status.. I know...but I don't have a chance for that wet shirt...hey, I take whatever "crumb of earwax " I can get...:-)))

Ok Evelyn, that's fine, if you don't want to just give up and not wage war over the wet white shirt, that's just fine by me.....thats just one less dead body I will have to climb over to get it. Anybody else who wants it, you can have it......... as soon as you prise it out of my cold, dead hands ! Cue bloodcurdling war cry straight outa' a Tarzan movie.

Where is everybody ? Ok, I take back what I said about killing you all over Darcy's wet white shirt. I didn't mean it.....honest ! PS. Just got thru watching a rerun of the MTV Awards...lots of ugly rock stars with long hair and tight leather pants. Anyway, it got me to thinking, weren't leather pants actually worn in olden times ? Didn't some horse mounted soldiers actually wear them as uniform, or is it just me ? I know lots of pirates wore them in old swashbuckler movies. Can't you just imagine Darcy in leather breeches, thigh high boots and a flowing white shirt ? Yum, yum, yum. Hello, hello anybody there ?

Bethanne, you've not scared me off ...yet! Re leather trousers, (I know its off topic before anyone starts ;-D) check out Hour of the Pig, leather trousers, flowing white(ish) shirt and gorgeous long hair ....but on downside - also silly hats. I know it's not Darcy ...but sounds the same as Darcy, it's all v confusing (in manner of confused Bridget Jones). Can't you just imagine Darcy in leather breeches, thigh high boots and a flowing white shirt ? *swoon*

Have to say I never really liked leather on men. Hells Angel phobia? Hour of the Pig, leather trousers, flowing white(ish) shirt ..ah, but then Richard. OT maybe, but yes, I'm starting to see the appeal. Was just thinking of that furious scowl of Darcy's during the dance with Lizzy when Gabby Lucas prattled on about Bingley and Jane. Head turns left, brow draws together and that stare just shoots lasers down the column of dancers as he focuses on the pair. I do like my Darcy in a foul mood occasionally. ;-)

(Heide)I do like my Darcy in a foul mood occasionally. ;-) Don't we all? In fact, what I don't like about most P&P sequels is how sugary he is made...

(Gi) what I don't like about most P&P sequels is how sugary he is made... I never did that. ;-D

(Heide)I do like my Darcy in a foul mood occasionally. ;-) (Gi)Don't we all? In fact, what I don't like about most P&P sequels is how sugary he is made... (Karen)I never did that. ;-D Would you really want a married Darcy that arrogant? Hmmmm foul moods? I don't think he has to be Lizzie's door-mat...but an amenable , attentive, Darcy would be more attractive, IMO.

There would be a "public" Darcy, aloof, never showing his emotions, etc., and a "private" Darcy IMO.

There would be a "public" Darcy, aloof, never showing his emotions, etc. You don't like the adoring look as she is playing the piano forte at Pemberley?

Yes, the adoring look is "to die for," but that is an Andrew Davies note in the margin. Can't remember any love-sick puppy looks mentioned by Austen. In the book, when he was trying to flirt with Lizzie, he tried being devilishly cute, as in "do you want to dance a jig" or whatever. I can well-imagine a bit of sparkle in his eyes as he gazes at Lizzie, but think, in public, he keeps up appearances.

(Evelyn)Would you really want a married Darcy that arrogant? Of course not. In real life. But in a novel/movie, it's part of his sexyness, I think. Perhaps not the arrogance, but the way he keeps apart and above. It makes him mysterious and alone. Sartre once wrote that there's no greater attraction for a woman than aloneness in a man; of course, he added, she would want to keep him company, and then he'd cease to be alone ;-)

Yeah the arrogant, superior Darcy is sexy as hell, especialy when we see him with Bingley who I thought was portrayed as a bit of a idiot. I agree that he a wee bit less sexy in Fan Fic, coz he is being such an all round nice guy. However, thats a hard problem for Fan Fic authors to get around, as his snooty nastiness carrying over to his married life, would really spoil the happy-ever-after ending that we all want, wouldn't it ? I disagree that he doesn't ever look like a love sick puppy in the book. Jane Austen writes in a very subtle, understated way and you just have to look for them. Even though the piano scene was an Andrew Davis creation, the emotions around it are not. Regarding Darcy looking at Lizzie, JA states quite clearly that Darcy's attentions " seemed to have fixed them on her more, and more cheerfully " From that I take that (a) he is looking at her very intently and (b) he is not doing the angry smoulder, but something far more friendly.....does he look lovestruck, maybe not, but its a distinct possibility, dontcha' think ? Then again when Darcy brings his sister to the inn at Lambton to meet Lizzie and the Gardiners Jane Austen writes " it was evident that he was very much in love with her " and " that the gentleman was overflowing with admiration was evident enough " How could the Gardiners draw these connclusions about Darcy, a very taciturn man, after just ones days aquaintance, if he wasn't looking seriously lovestruck ? Phew...shut up Bethanne !!!!

Evelyn)Would you really want a married Darcy that arrogant? (Gi)Of course not. In real life. But in a novel/movie, it's part of his sexyness, I think. Perhaps not the arrogance, but the way he keeps apart and above. It makes him mysterious and alone My Mr. Darcy is the one who takes Lizzy's hand at the Lambton Inn and comforts her...dives right in to resolve her problem. Doesn't stand aloof... alone... mysterious and think "that's your problem, babe". Mr. Sartre and I don't often agree on most things anyway;-)

Yeah, but you know what Evelyn, he does give off "thats your problem, babe" vibes to Lizzie after she tells him what has upset her so much. WE know he is going to leg it off to Londinium post haste, to try and sort out the whole sorry mess. But Lizzie doesn't know that yet. His reserve only adds to her pain, especially as she has just realised that she has feelings for him too. I know in his mind he is rapidly forming a plan of how to fix the whole sorry mess, but I do think he could have been just a wee bit more tender to her and a wee bit more reassuring to her, just before he left the inn. O well, we wouldn't have had the rest of the delicious scenes in the book if he did. However, dontcha' just love the way he puts his knuckles ot his mouth, as he waits for her to stop crying and tell him what's wrong ? He looks so tortured that she is in pain, but trys to cover the impatient, worried look on his face up with his hand....sigh....... As she is apologising for crying, he says " No, No" in a very chivalrous manner, but his voice is slightly husky as he says it. That is MY Mr Darcy...giving just the barest hint that the fact that his beloved is in pain, affects him deeply too.....drool, sigh, slobber.....

(Bethanne)but I do think he could have been just a wee bit more tender to her and a wee bit more reassuring to her, just before he left the inn. I agree, but he probably didn't have his plan formed and didn't want to raise Lizzie's hopes.First he had to search out Mrs. Young...and force the door open...I love that scene...."The Avenger" .He's such a knight to the rescue! However, dontcha' just love the way he puts his knuckles ot his mouth, as he waits for her to stop crying and tell him what's wrong ? Yes, yes.In fact I think that's a little Colin there...He's done that in some of his other films.*sigh, sigh*. That scene always leaves me wiped out.

O my GAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDD Evelyn, YES!!!!!!!!!!! I just adore how he masterfully forces Mrs Young's door open, wih his cane. The look on his face as he enters......"Lady you are in soooooooooo much trouble. Your scumumy friend Wickham, has caused ma' woman some serious grief and I am PISSED !!!! " Re the knuckles and mouth thing....I'll take your word for it that thats Colin there. My years of exhausive research and dedicated study of Darcy's mannerisms ( its called a PH-D.....Pretty Hot Darcy degree ) has led me to the following conclusions. When Darcy is in emotional turmoil, he fiddles with his pinkie ring or puts his hand to his mouth. I love all the times he plays with the pinkie....listening to Lady Catherine blather on at Rosings, sparring with Lizzie as she sits at the piano with Col Fitzwilliam, watching her talk with Col F. on his first visit to Huntsford....Yum, Yum, Yum I mean, I just love how he takes a tiny little piece of his wardrobe and, turns it into an expression of his body language. It just shows what an amazing actor he is doesn't it ? All those hand to mouth shots .....sigh.... The best one of all though, is when Lizzie rejects his first proposal. He stands at the fireplace, and trys to compose himself as he comes to terms with the horrifying reality that she is rejecting him. Very droolworthy indeed.

(Bethanne)I mean, I just love how he takes a tiny little piece of his wardrobe and, turns it into an expression of his body language. You are v. observant, Bethanne, Ph.D, (LOL). Even though it wasn't a piece of his wardrobe....(but v. symbolic;-) he did this with the cue stick in the billiard room scene.And even buttoning up my green vest in haste. Where else in P&P?...hmmm *thinking*

(Bethanne)(...)) he does give off "thats your problem, babe" vibes to Lizzie(...) WE know he is going to leg it off to Londinium post haste(...) But Lizzie doesn't know that yet. (Evelyn)(...)he probably didn't have his plan formed and didn't want to raise Lizzie's hopes. I say, that sounds very reasonable, Evelyn. We actually know he does *not* go off to London imediately... In fact, he stays in Pemberley at least that night, entertaining the Bingleys ("Wot!")and I never understood why.

Evelyn, don't over exert your brain coming up with other great use of props/wardrobe moments.....please,let me help, no, no....I insisit. Bingo on the pool cue, O Lordy...and the force with which the ball slams into the corner pocket.....Mmmmmmmmm..... Steve Davis, eat yer' heart out ! Honourable mentions must go to to his riding crop, that he speeds his horse up with on the ride over to Lambton, just the merest flick of the wrist. Yum How about the coffe cup he is drinking out of over brekkie at Netherfield, when he replys to Caroline Bingley's bitchiness about Lizzie's eyes and says " Not at all, they were brightened by the exercise. " Over to you Evelyn......everybody ?

In the first scene as he's coming out of the carriage with that "Napoleon" hat and cape....the wardrobe emphasizes the arrogance...."I'm of the upper class here".. Intermission: *off to view P&Pwith new focus*:-)

The riding crop! Ah, another extension of Darcy's manhood that just makes us sit up and pay attention. New focus Evelyn? - think that's why I come here. To gaina new perspective so I have an excuse to watch the whole thing all over again. ;-) Whew! I like my Darcy a little moody (you too Gi?), Evelyn likes her Darcy to be comforting but determined, Bethanne likes her Darcy's mask to slip just a bit when he's around Lizzy. How do y'all like your Darcy, girls? (Karen) There would be a "public" Darcy, aloof, never showing his emotions, etc., and a "private" Darcy IMO. Yes, I agree. And I like it best when he lets the "private" Darcy show in public. But you have to catch it quick 'cause he recovers himself so beautifully.

How do I like my Darcy, Heide ? I'll take him butt naked, on a desert island with a bottle of chanpagne and a big vat of whipped cream......Oops, sorry, you meant how do I like him PERSONALITY wise ? Um, well... tormented but passionate, I guess.... yeah thats it. I'll take a raincheck on the desert island, though.

(Heide) How do y'all like your Darcy, girls? I'll take mine with a heap of smouldering, and a small dose of flashing passion in his eyes... small yes, because if it was any more than that, I'd jump on him with alacrity!

(Heide) How do y'all like your Darcy, girls? Weelllll, I'll have a dash of smoulder, a pinch of sensitivity and a huge dollop of passion with mine please...to go!

I'd like my Darcy in bed captured between my thighs!! If I had him there who cares about personality? Whew - what that thought does to my hormones!!

Interesting recipes, girls. ;-D

Sorry I'm a bit late, but it's never really too late to lust over Darcy, is it ;-)? When you were talking about favorite scenes one came to mind and I must have my share of the conversation. During the piano scene at Rosings, I absolutely love the interchange starting with Darcy's assertion that Lizzie often speaks opinions that are not her own. When Lizzie threatens to tell the Colonel how Darcy first acted in Meryton she throws him this little challenging look to make you wonder if she's going to repeat his ungallant comments about Lizzie. That look Darcy fires back saying "I am not afraid of you" just slays me every time - like he's saying, "bring it on you little minx. You've met your match in me." I love the fact that they're sharing a secret. oooooh, I just gave myself the chills ;-).

(Heide) How do y'all like your Darcy, girls? Ooooooooh! Stirred, not shaken. That's Darcy -- Fitzw. Darcy. (Ouch, could not resist. Sorry.) ;-) Seriously, I like the private Darcy moments, when he smoulders without the scorn. (Tracy) Weelllll, I'll have a dash of smoulder, a pinch of sensitivity and a huge dollop of passion with mine please...to go! Tracy, I'm with you!

(Heide) How do y'all like your Darcy, girls? (LisaJH)Ooooooooh! Stirred, not shaken. LOL!That is perfect, Lisa!

(Jana) That look Darcy fires back saying "I am not afraid of you" just slays me every time - like he's saying, "bring it on you little minx. You've met your match in me." Shivering right along with you. By now thoughts of being married to this "little minx" have surely crossed his mind. He's coming over to inspect the goods again and damned if they don't keep rising higher in his estimation. Now I'm talking about her brain as well as her other more visible attributes.

O Jana, that is such perfect description of Darcy and Lizzie at the piano at Rosings. Dontcha' just love the tiny, o so sexy smile playing about his mouth. In their earlier exchanges at Netherfield, he never smiles at her. In fact, he acts rather pissed off at her, for turning his world upside down. However by the time they get to Rosings, he so used being besotted with her, he is starting to relax and enjoy how turned on she makes him feel....gulp !!!!!! I love how it is just them in the conversation. They are so intently focused on each other, a bomb could go off without them noticing. Don't you love the way he slightly rolls his eyes when Lady Catherine butts in. Quite a compliment to Lizzie don't you think....making it obvious he would rather talk to someone who is by far his social inferior, than to his aristocratic relations. In the book, he says " I have had the pleasure of your aquaintance long enough to know....." However, in the film they leave out the word "pleasure". Can't you just imagine how delicious it would have been if they left that in ? I can just hear him pausing slightly, before he forms the word, giving it a resonance and a deeper meaning, that just reduces us all to mush. Remember in the first proposal scene when he says he has come to feel " a passionate regard " for Lizzie ? Well the way he pauses before he says the word " passionate" just reduces me to a puddle of drool every time. The pause really gives a deeper meaning to what he is about to say. Anybody agree, or am I just rambling on here ? Why am I shivering ? Did somebody open a window ?

(Bethanne) Remember in the first proposal scene when he says he has come to feel " a passionate regard " for Lizzie ? Well the way he pauses before he says the word " passionate" just reduces me to a puddle of drool every time. The pause really gives a deeper meaning to what he is about to say. Anybody agree, or am I just rambling on here ? Oh my, yes. The passionate pause before the word "passionate" sends me over the edge ;-).

I have a question for Jana and Marianne: In Londinium when Allen tell Fiona: "I love you tenderly and dearly" does Colin say it in the same way as Mr Darcy at the 2nd proposal: He's walking along and then stops and turns to her.... "...and such I might have been but for you dearest and loveliest Elizabeth". That's always a 'stopper' for me.In the book Lizzie goes gabbing on...but andrew Davies has Lizzie melting a little too.I wish Jane Austen would have let Lizzie defrost some at that point and tell him how much she now ardently loved him instead of just "...it's the opposite"..

Jana might have a different take on how Allen said it, but I thought he said it kind of sheepishly ... as if he's still embarrassed to be admitting his feelings, though he does know that he must for their relationship.

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Y'know what ladies, I have to admit to being hugely disappointed in the second proposal scene. We have 5 plus delicious hours leading up to this very moment and then it just falls flat. Anyone else agree ? For one thing, it is far too short. Bingley's proposal to Jane was given far more time and I don't get that. I mean, who gives a s**t about Bingley for crying out loud ? I thought Lizzie's mixture of happiness and embaressment was very well done, but Darcy.....hello Colin.....anybody home ? The woman you have loved and lusted after for a year, has just agreed to marry you and according to Jane Austen you are supposed to " act as well as a man violently in love can be supposed to ". So come on now, a little measure of happiness, nay joy, would be nice. I'm all for playing a scene in a subtle, understated manner, after all Darcy is still a fairly taciturn man. However, I think Colin and Andrew Davis took it a little too far and as a result the scene feels a little flat to me. I do love how he pauses and turns to her and gives the little " dearest lovliest Elizabeth " speech, but that's at the end of the scene and its too little too late. I hate too, when the camera pans back to view then walking together, they are so far apart. She could have at least taken his arm, dontcha' think as I suppose a kiss would be out of the question for proprieties sake. Ok, I'll shut up down. I'd better go get my plastic raincoat to protect my clothes from all the tomatoes and rotten head of lettuce soon to be coming my way, for daring to criticise our beloved P&P. Sorry if I ticked ya'll off, but really this is my only gripe with the whole movie.....apart from the obvious one, that there were far too many Darcy/Lizzie scenes from the book left out of the movie. Karen, those eyeaballs are hilarious !!

Bethanne, you won't get any tomatoes from me. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Besides the fact that Darcy is still wearing his hat (isn't it polite to remove your hat when you propose marriage?) thus hiding those delicious curls, there's absolutely no token of affection. If he was truly so happy, wouldn't he at least kiss her hand? Or, as you say, wouldn't Lizzy take his arm? The whole engagement & leading up to the wedding was given altogether too little attention in P&P2 and that has also been my biggest disappointment with an otherwise fine, lovely, funny production. But it has fueled a ton of fanfic related to the 'missing' scenes so I guess that's something good to come out of it.

Glad you agree Gail, I thought it was just me. Yeah, you are right about the hat, it hides his lovely curls not to mention that gorgeous face. Bingo on Darcy kissing Lizzie's hand too, or if that is to risque for such a prim and proper man, how about him gently squeezing her fingers as he draws her arm thru his, all the while looking into her eyes. Did you notice that between the initial " You are too generous to trifle with me " bit right up to the "dearest, lovliest Elizabeth " bit that ends the scenes...they don't make eye contact once ? I found that very odd. I know they are probably a wee bit embarressed, but c'mon now, not to look at each once, is a bit much, not to mention downright un-passionate. All the engagement FanFic s wonderful, but I still would have loved to have seen that wonderful bit in the book, where Lizzie gets Darcy to account for his falling in love with her. However I dunno if I could cope a loving, teasing Darcy bantering easily with Lizzie, after all the earlier repressed passions and smouldering intensity. I think that would just floor me !!

(Bethanne)I'd better go get my plastic raincoat to protect my clothes from all the tomatoes and rotten head of lettuce soon to be coming my way, for daring to criticise our beloved P&P (Gail W)you won't get any tomatoes from me Or from anyone else here, I daresay. We have all, at one point or another, made the same criticism of this scene. I can only think that Darcy really expected another rejection and that Lizzie's acceptance didn't sink in... I once had a real life scene somewhat similar... It was so anticlimatic that I almost regreted having said yes :-(

Agree with you all on that scene and we have discussed it through the years.....I bet that was Simon Langton's direction and not Colin's call.At the end of that scene, you can see Bingley and Jane arm 'n arm but not our guys:-(

Gail: Besides the fact that Darcy is still wearing his hat (isn't it polite to remove your hat when you propose marriage?) Talking about hat, is it not polite for a gentleman like Mr. Darcy to keep his hat on when he performed his only kiss to his beloved? It said that the scene had to be shot for many times because of that hat (fell off many times) but too bad, they never got the hint ;-/

Obviously, she only could touch his chin because of that hat. Poor girl!

Ok thank you very much for posting those 2 pix....I wlll now be now a complete, drool-soaked wreak for the rest of the day and absolutley inacapable of forming a cohearant thought or removing my butt from the chair facing this screen. So my boss thanks you too ( get your own damm coffee, Sh**head ! ) for rendering me completley useless for the rest of the day. Oops....my computer is frozen, O no, its locked up and stuck on this page forever, what a shame !! Yikes, look...his eyes are closed..sigh...and doesn't he have a gorgeously firm, masculine jawline ? I thought they had to keep re-shooting this scene coz' CF and JE kept wouldn't stop giggling ? Lordy, catch ME giggling at having to kiss CF...I don't thnk so ! Running hysterically around the room, passed out comatose on the floor, yes, but GIGGLEING.....Nooooooo way !!!

Remember, they were in the process of doing it for real on the side at that time. I was just reading an old article that said that they had kept pretty discreet up until that point, but constantly fluffing the kiss was the first many knew of the off-set romance...a dead giveaway...Good thing it was one of the last scenes shot between the two. **Heehee** KJ

Blaming the hat for her kissing his chin is an interesting thought. I thought she had started at his mouth and was progressing... well, perhaps not. But, what a thought. Yes, kissable cheeks and incredible jawline does me in every time.

Karen, I don't think the wedding kiss was shot at the end of filming. I know it appears at the end, but rememeber none of the film was shot in sequence, it was all done based on when the houses were available and when the seasons were right. So I think it was shot before they started their affair, or at the very beginning. Maybe they were fighting against the attraction ( gulp ) and that's what gives all the Huntsford/Rosings scenes ( which were shot first ) such a delicious tension and electricity ? Do you have the book " The Making of Pride and Predudice " ? In it, Colin talks about doing 5 straight weeks of filming and then being banished for 6 weeks while all the Longbourn scenes ( where he almost never appears ) were shot. He said he would be called back to the set for the odd day or two, presumably to film the 2 times he visits the Bennet's with Bingley and, then the wedding scene. So this means the wedding was shot some time in the second month of a 5 month shoot. Yikes, sorry to be so analytical....I think I was a scientist in a previous life time ! Wouldn't it be a lovley drool topic...when does it become apparant that CF and JE aren't just acting any more, but really do have the hots for each other ?

That would be KJ's post, not mine. ;-) However, I do agree with my alter-cyber-namesake that I've read or heard the same, i.e., the wedding scene was the final one shot.

The last scene shot with Jennifer Ehle in was the "wilderness" scene with Lady Catherine. And I believe the 2nd proposal scene was shot the day before. I may safely point to the book for that bit of info. ;-) (Xian) It said that the scene had to be shot for many times because of that hat (fell off many times) but too bad, they never got the hint ;-/ LOL, Xian. It is doubly frustrating when we know there were so many stills taken of our newlyweds with the hat off. Do you think they may have filmed it both ways? I want to see the outtakes! What a happy thought. Hours and hours of unused film all packaged on a video for us. I'd pay for that.

I'd do more than pay for it, I'd break into the BBC and offer up my lifesavings to any security guard who would look the other way, while I stuck these unused footage tapes up my sweater while I made my getaway. O well, so I guess I am outvoted on when the kissing scene was filmed. Pity, as I kinda' liked the idea of it being filmed while CF and JE were in the throes of fighting their own powerful attraction to each other a la Darcy and Lizzie....sigh.... Not to belabour the point, but in the book there is a pic of the Longbourn grounds being hosed down with fake snow, to make it look all wintery for the wedding scenes. If this was shot in late October ( which is when filming ended ) why are there leaves on all the trees ? Wouldn't they be shedding and wouldn't the grounds look all autumnal, if it was really October. Hmmmmm ? Lord, I need to get a life....now I'm analysing the stupid tres !! Coming tomorrow, a facinating insight into the Bugs and Insects of 19th Centuary England ! So why did the hat keep falling off ? It stayed on ok when he was on horseback, didn't it ? What's so rigourous about a little ole kissaro to make his hat keep falling off ? Maybe JE just couldn't restrain herself from the impulse to run her hands thru his gorgeous curls, thus knocking the hat off....You go girl.....We're with ya' all the way !!

(Bethanne) Karen, I don't think the wedding kiss was shot at the end of filming. You may be right. (My memory is shot anyway) As the excerpt below says, the kiss was "screened" at the end, not shot then (You have permission to believe as much or as little as you like ..it was part of a series in the daily Express ...) ;-) (Bethanne) So I think it was shot before they started their affair, or at the very beginning. According to the same article, it was well underway by that (?whenever) time, to wit: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Colin has not, [his mother] says, been pleased with the huge amount of publicity given to his brief liaison with Pride and Prejudice co-star Jennifer Ehle. The relationship between the actors, described by one who witnessed it, as blossoming while filming progressed in Wiltshire and Cheshire, "was quite simply a location romance," it lasted a matter of months and was over before it was leaked by one of the production team. Firth and 26 yr.old Ehle could have rivalled Hugh Grant and Elizabeth Hurley as a showbiz couple but Ehle called a halt to the affair after the filming ended. "The first hint that anything was going on between the two of them was actually during the filming of the kiss that was screened right at the end of the production," says one of the production staff. "They both kept fluffing things and it was re-shot again and again. Jennifer kept laughing and even Colin seemed unusually ruffled." /.../ (his mother) .."He and Jennifer were seeing each other for some time. Now they are just good friends. They are still in touch with each other. he has an enormous capacity for friendship. When he makes friends he stays friends." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have no idea how much or how little of this is true. The whole thing (first of three parts) can be seen at: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/firthfiles/articles/95exp1221.html KJ

I know, the whole affair thing may be a load of old cobblers...but it DOES make a good Drool topic, doesn't it ? All the attention given to it, may have ticked off CF, but it has kept us royally entertained.....cue guilty, sheepish look. PS According to some interview JE gave during her recent Tony Award success, she has not dated anybody seriously, since she and Colin broke up all those years ago. It would seem our Colin packs quite a punch, doesn't it ? Then again, we already knew that, or we wouldn't be here.

Remember that this is "The Express" and we don't really believe what they write most of the times....so why should we believe this??? Colin has discounted some of it and Jennifer has never commented on the article at all.

(Evelyn) In Londinium when Allen tell Fiona: "I love you tenderly and dearly" does Colin say it in the same way as Mr Darcy at the 2nd proposal: (Marianne) Jana might have a different take on how Allen said it, but I thought he said it kind of sheepishly ... as if he's still embarrassed to be admitting his feelings, though he does know that he must for their relationship. Sorry I'm so tardy in replying, but my recollection is about the same as Marianne's. The details of the film are kind of slipping away from me, but I don't remember thinking this line being awfully romantic.

Huh, wha? Evelyn, you're not disputing they had an affair/relationship/ fling/whatever, are you? There never was a question about it, I thought. Just perhaps as to the seriousness of it. Anyway, when I first got on the Internet (and the first thing I searched for was "Firth, Colin") I was dumbstruck when I first read of the connection. Didn't believe it at first, then I could only think how right it was and it makes that chemistry between Lizzy and Darcy even more exciting. Bethanne, you're not nuts (or at least no more nuts than the rest of us). I examine those leaves on the trees too. It is very autumnal-looking during Lady Catherine's scene and the 2nd proposal. So too in the Meryton scenes. JE looks downright freezing. Leaves are very green under that fake snow when the Gardiners come at Christmas but it's hard for me to tell in the kiss scene. However in the "Making of" book (my bible), some of the crew are dressed warmly during the shooting of this so my guess is it was towards the end and poor Jennifer is freezing yet again in her light frock. I know the point's moot now but I do enjoy figuring out the sequence of shooting.

Ha Ha Ha Heide, so the Making of P & P Book is your Bible too, I'm glad it's not just me. The pic on page 96 oF Col on horseback, is what has me reaching for it over and over and over and over again. Those thighs, those breeches......gulp ! I know Lady Catherines's visit and the second proposal were all filmed last and the settings/trees reflect that. It's just the wedding kissyface scene that I'm wondering if it was filmed during those 6 weeks that Colin mentions in the book, as when all the Longbourn scenes were done. Remember he says that he only came down to the set for the odd day or two of filming ? As he only appears in 2 shortish Longbourn scenes, wouldn't this fit in with this time frame ? Dunno' about people who just describe the affair a "location romance". It lasted a year acording to Colin and his mother ( !!!! )but the filming of P&P only took 5 months, so if my math is right they stayed together for a further 7 months. That's a little bit more than a "location romance" dontcha' think ? Also, seeing as Col and Meg Tilly broke up in 1993 and P&P was filmed in the summer of 1994, this was probably Colin's first serious relationship after the break up with Meg. So if you have lived in the Canadian backwoods for 5 years and had a child with someone and it falls apart......you probably don't just plunge back into another longish relationship with someone, unless you really feel something for them. Sorry Karen, hope this tabloid/personal life stuff doesn't bug you. I'll shut up now.

Sorry Karen, hope this tabloid/personal life stuff doesn't bug you. I'll shut up now. So will I. Sorry...that was six years ago and I don't wanna go there.

Yup, I agree...... no more " Did they or didn't they ? " posts from me. Back to far more serious and worthy topics, like bulging breeches and wet white shirts. PS Karen, when are we gonna get Part 3 of your great story ?

(bethanne)....now I'm analysing the stupid trees !! Coming tomorrow, a fascinating insight into the Bugs and Insects of 19th Century England ! Sometimes you might want to take a break from Colin Firth. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Regarding the "Insects of the 19th Century England" topic. You may want to consider posting that at the Geo conference. Just kidding. Your posts are great fun to read.

Where is everyone ?

a)Watching P&P for the umpteenth time? b)Analysing trees? c) Getting into Entomology? :-D

I am here. Just busy at a), b), and c). Also d) counting buttons on breeches e) counting moles on neck, and f) counting hairs on chest. ;-D

I can't tell you all how pleasurable it has been to digest such a wonderfully evocative backlog of posts, thank you one and all! I was at Wilton House on Friday (where they filmed S&S), I am afraid i always go off into a Darcy Drool in such situations, the proportions of the rooms etc inspire Pemberly Passions in me, luckily there was no guide to lag behind to give me away! It is around this time that the final episode was screened in England, our local news at the time featured it because the church used for the wedding was in Somerset ( Jana and Heide will correct from their bible , I am sure!). So to continue Heide's theme g)counting smouldering looks h)counting swaggering greatcoat tails i)counting pinkie ring twisting j)counting my own much increased heartbeats

Thanks to our Tineke who found this at Pemberley... A new P&P pic from the cover of the new P&P DVD... [Hope it works..]

Ooh, loverly, thanks Tineke and Evelyn.

Oooooohhhhh, that's so lovely!! Makes one daydream about just what might have happened after the photo was snapped..........

Delicious!! Thank you for that ladies. Do we know if the DVD contains any hidden extras previously kept from us? Maybe interviews etc Of course what I really wanted to see was Darcy's dressing gown slip from clumsy fingers holding it out to him in the bathing scene. Anyone else got some favourite scenes they think could have been left out ------ steady now. You fanfic authors have an advantage already. We could create our own Drool DVD!

Hmmmm, lovely cover for the new DVD. Thanks Tineke and Ev. Wonder if the American one is being redone/reissued by A&E and if we'll have that cover. Now, back to my job, heating up water for Darcy's tub. ;-D

So if you heat the water and get to see the mole Karen, I will bags holding out that the dressing gown. You wouldn't want aching arms now!

O my.....I'm gone for a week and I return to this delicious pic on the DVD cover....exceedingly yummy ! I do have one problem though....has Jennifer Ehle had a growth spurt in my absense ? Is she 6ft 1' all of a sudden ? Shouldn't Colin be towering over her in a suitably, masterful pose ? Doesn't it lessen the impact when they are the same height ?

Re video cover - Be still my heart. Karen, if that's going to be a reissue of the P&P video, I think they can expect another best seller. Perhaps we should suggest that .-) (Gail) Makes one daydream about just what might have happened after the photo was snapped.......... My thoughts exactly. What were they about to do? (Bethanne) Shouldn't Colin be towering over her in a suitably, masterful pose? Doesn't it lessen the impact when they are the same height? Oh yes, I agree Darcy should be looking down at his beloved. One can only imagine he placed her on the steps the better to stare laser-like into her eyes. Don't you love getting giddy over a video cover? Now to get my greedy little hands on it. Lizza, I envy you. How many Austen-related sites have you been to now? I never tire of imagining how our characters might have lived by looking at the homes, portraits and clothing of the period.

O this is killing me. I would love to get my hot little hands on this pic, but I am sooooooooo broke right now, there is no way I spend 40/60 bucks on a new set of tapes or the DVD just to get the picture. Sigh !!!!!!! Nah Heide, I still think he need to be taller than her, laser like stare or not. Can't he do that from a height, coz that way she can gaze adoringly up at him ? Don't we all just adore him in black ? I love his beige breeches at Pemberley and that great green coat, but I'm sorry....Darcy in black just absolutley floors me.

(Bethanne) Shouldn't Colin be towering over her in a suitably, masterful pose? Doesn't it lessen the impact when they are the same height? Well, Lizzy followed Mr. Darcy outside and called out his name. Hearing her voice he quickly turned round and found her so close to him that his hand was able to touch hers sending an electric current throughout his body. Lost in his gaze all Lizzy could do was stare, hypnotized by closeness. Cut! That's a wrap. (And now we know what landed on the cutting room floor). Love the cover. Thanks, Tineke and Evelyn. It sure did set me dreaming. ;-)

Hee Hee Hee that was so funny What about................ Lizzie fell over backwards as the full force of the electrical current from contact with Darcy, went shooting thru her body. She felt her self falling backwards into space, when all of a sudden an arm shot out and wrapped itself around her tiny waist, drawing her back to the safety of a rock hard chest. She found herself on eye level with a crsiply starched white cravat and an expanse of smooth brown flesh, where a pulse beat O so rapidly. Her eyes were drawn up from contemplation of a freshly shaven jaw, to a face that contained eyes that made her melt, as the suble but masculine aroma eminating from his skin made her feel dizzy. With a great effort of will, she stopped herself from reaching out and touching the rapidly beating puslse with her tongue and as she forced her eyes upward to meet his gaze, her heart stopped at what she saw reflected in his deep, dark eyes....... Over to you, ladies ! I'm pooped !!!

Hey, I have an idea.....why don't we all take turns writing a paragraph of this and see where it takes us ? Moon and I started it.......so why don't ya'll take the ball and run with it from here ? Wouldn't it be funny, a story that we all write ? Lord know where it will end up, or rather where Darcy and Lizzie will end up, Hee Hee Hee.....Ladies ??????

(Bethanne) .. Wouldn't it be funny, a story that we all write ? Bethanne, have you not been made aware of the Drool Fan Fic site, where such things are happening all the time? If you haven't visited yet, here's an Inroad to FanFic's recent activity. KJ

Yup KJ, I visit FanFic a lot. I even have a few stories of my own on there. What I meant, was one story that we all take turns writing a paragraph of. Y'know, kinda like passing a ghost story around a camp fire, where every person picks up where the other one left off ? I just thought it might be funny to see everyones writing style combinded in one story. O well, obviously nobody else does, as no-one comes in here anymore half as much as they used to. Darcy is feeling very neglected....poor baby, don't worry, I'm here and I'll make it up to you !!!!!!!!!

Bethanne, I think it's a clever idea but am not feeling particularly bright or clever myself right now to aid and assist. Glad your enthusiasm remains undimmed. Obviously our dear Darcy needs to feed on new blood or else gets very anemic so I'm counting on you to eat a lot of spinach. Long live Darcy Drool. ;-)

Heide......I'm just the woman for the task, its a dirty job, but someones gotta do it right ? Poor Darcy, I have damm near worn him out. Maybe its Darcy who we need to give the spinach to.....Hee Hee Hee !!!!! Where is everyone, by the way...Karen, Sadie, Gail, Evelyn, Judy etc etc Have they all been abducted by aliens ?

Everybody is at topic #98, I suppose, discussing Apartment Zero. Whoever isn't there must be watching the new installment of "General Election" :-)

So disappointed not to find A&E re-broadcasting P&P on the Sunday after the American Thanksgiving holiday. It had become a tradition. I hope I just missed it on A&E's not very user friendly board and it will appear after all.

We didn't lobby for it this year...also there is a new program director at A&E...probably isn't a fan of P&P. Breakfast with the Arts crowd is though... I hope they have Jennifer back this winter when she returns to Broadway.

Just checked my monthly cable listings: P&P is indeed not being broadcast that day, Heide :-(

We do not need A&E to have our own broadcast of P&P do we? ;-) Remember, our courage always rises when...

We do not need A&E to have our own broadcast of P&P do we? ; but I always looked forward to Marathon Sunday....all 6 Episodes in one day... Next year, Heide, let's marshall the troops early.Last year we even got the folks on Pemblerley to email. I dropped the ball this year...sorry.

(Heide) So disappointed not to find A&E re-broadcasting P&P on the Sunday after the American Thanksgiving holiday. At least, thankfully, there are the media of video and DVD. Not quite the same and you can watch your own copy of P&P at anytime during the year. Still, it is better than nothing.

You'd be surprised how many *new* P&P , CF & JE fans emerge from the re-showing of P&P on A&E. The JE website always gets a wave of hits on the night of and several days later. ....and then there's the residuals ($$$$$) for the cast;-))

Here's something for Darcy Droolers or FF-lovers that I ran across. A professor has inserted his own commentary on the text for Chapter 8, when Lizzie goes to Netherfield. This is a good one: "Eliza Bennet," said Miss Bingley, when the door was closed on her, "is one of those young ladies who seek to recommend themselves to the other sex by undervaluing their own, and with many men, I dare say, it succeeds. But, in my opinion, it is a paltry device, a very mean art." "Undoubtedly," replied Darcy, to whom this remark was chiefly addressed, "there is meanness in all the arts which ladies sometimes condescend to employ for captivation. Whatever bears affinity to cunning is despicable." What Darcy really means: Hee hee! It is gratifying to see her get what she deserves. Austen knows this will furnish the reader great pleasure, and it is important we like Darcy. Miss Bingley's wiles are transparent (and tiresome) to Darcy. Once again, some careless readers miss the keen edge of some of Austen's dialogue. Though ever so polite on the surface, Darcy's remark is fairly brutal.

Oops, forgot to post the url: http://www.mssc.edu/english/ackiss/pnp_chapter_viii800.htm

Thanks for the site. I love reading analyses of P&P. You never know what you might have missed though I think you'd have to be nodding off or else Caroline herself to miss this example of Darcy's scorn: "there is meanness in all the arts which ladies sometimes condescend to employ for captivation. Whatever bears affinity to cunning is despicable." Ooh, you can see why Davies left that out. In today's world it makes our Darcy sound downright nasty.

Perhaps, some here would like to try their hand at such a commentary of another chapter? *wink wink*

Thanks for the site. I love reading analyses of P&P. You never know what you might have missed though I think you'd have to be nodding off or else Caroline herself to miss this example of Darcy's scorn: "there is meanness in all the arts which ladies sometimes condescend to employ for captivation. Whatever bears affinity to cunning is despicable." Ooh, you can see why Davies left that out. In today's world it makes our Darcy sound downright nasty.

Oops, sorry for the double post. Too lazy this Sunday morning to delete. Just wanted to say that I just finished reading his analysis and it was absolutely delightful. Anyone who takes as much enjoyment in the book as in the film should read this. It's done with a great deal of humor and I wish he'd done more chapters. Great find, Karen. Of course students such as we '-) may not learn much new but it's nice to have our notions affirmed. (read that with a double winkey)

Thank you so much Karen. Perfect for an Autumnal Sunday afternoon.