~catheyp
Fri, May 19, 2000 (02:04)
#401
Which ending did the UK have for MLSF?? Thanks.
~Moon
Fri, May 19, 2000 (07:17)
#402
One has to be pretty careful not only about what one says, but how the culture is portrayed.
Which proves that in our present "Democracy", we are not really free. To be "politically correct", binds you with chains.
But, we do not have to go there either. ;-)
~lafn
Fri, May 19, 2000 (10:10)
#403
...But, we do not have to go there either. ;-)
I'm not. No matter how much you tempt me....;-)
~Arami
Fri, May 19, 2000 (20:23)
#404
our present "Democracy"
Is there only one (type of) democracy? Also, democracy has been described as a system of oppression of minorities. But then, surely, any form of government must have an element of oppression.
(All right! I'm going to shut up now.)
~Moon
Fri, May 19, 2000 (21:33)
#405
democracy has been described as a system of oppression of minorities.
I beg to differ!
(I will say no more on this subject.)
~KarenR
Fri, May 19, 2000 (22:05)
#406
Which Firth production are we talking about?
~Moon
Fri, May 19, 2000 (22:16)
#407
Which Firth production are we talking about?
We have all sworn not to speak about it anymore. ;-)
~amw
Sat, May 20, 2000 (04:04)
#408
CatheyP - Which ending did UK have for MLSF? Hi Cathey, I think we had the same ending as you where Fraser is seen going off to school, with Edward giving him a few words of advice!
~Arami
Sat, May 20, 2000 (05:35)
#409
Which Firth production are we talking about?
"My Democracy So Far" and "Relative Values Of Democracy". Also, "Refugees' Lost Empires", at a pinch. ;-)
*democracy has been described as a system of oppression of minorities.*
I beg to differ!
I have it on academic authority... The simple reason is that, because the vote of a (relative!) majority wins, those who are outvoted (= a relative minority) have to accept the dictatorship of the (relative!) winners.
Any experts on the theory of relativism here? ;-P
(This is the last on the subject... For now.)
~heide
Sat, May 20, 2000 (08:30)
#410
We've got way too many "experts" already, thank you. ;-)
I'm not surprised the Aussie ending is also the UK ending. Looks like a tape exchange may be required once the PAL version comes out. I do want to see the "going off to school" ending and the I believe your version is missing the "dancing in the rain" scene. Frankly though, that scene is just a few seconds long.
~Moon
Sat, May 20, 2000 (09:23)
#411
I have it on academic authority... The simple reason is that, because the vote of a (relative!) majority wins, those who are outvoted (= a relative minority) have to accept the dictatorship of the (relative!) winners.
The point is that the race of the winners are very often of a "minority" one. This would never have happened if it were not for Democracy. In this case the (relative) minority finds itself with the power of the dictatorship. It is up to you who you wish to be your dictator. ;-)
I thought we swore to end this topic?
~Arami
Sat, May 20, 2000 (19:32)
#412
It is up to you who you wish to be your dictator. ;-)
But if *my* candidate loses, I lose my actual right to chose my dictator - and gain the actual right (or even obligation) to accept the will of the opposition (which I do not accept).
If I do not accept that right/obligation, I become a lawbreaker.
If I do not wish anyone to be my dictator, I am an anarchist.
However, if I don't want lawlessness and anarchy (for simple selfish, self-preservation reasons), I have to accept (periodically) someone else's choice of government: ergo, I am (periodically) the oppressed minority. Q.E.D.
I didn't swear to do anything, but I'll try to shut up now.
:-)
~Moon
Sat, May 20, 2000 (20:03)
#413
But if *my* candidate loses, I lose my actual right to chose my dictator -
Wrong because if you like who wins or not, you had the choice of voting. You had the choice of chosing your dictator, he just did not win.
If you need consolation, get yourself "Anarchy in the UK" by the Sex Pistols. ;-)
Getting back on topic, I finally saw SLOW. It was a sweet film, a must-do-fastforward one, but sweet. His acting is vintage CF. Mathew is not such an interesting character, and I am baffled as to why Colin did this. Did anyone notice the major acne break-out on his face? I did not notice any in the Donmar pictures.
~lafn
Sat, May 20, 2000 (20:41)
#414
....and I am baffled as to why Colin did this
$$$$$$$$$$$
~fitzwd
Sun, May 21, 2000 (06:52)
#415
(Moon Dreams) Did anyone notice the major acne break-out on his face? I did not notice any in the Donmar pictures.
Yes, I noticed the bumps; they are also seen in DQ. I didn't know what they were, because his skin looked beautiful at the Donmar. I thought perhaps they were natural moles and bad lighting...? But maybe he was suffering from a breakout...
~Arami
Sun, May 21, 2000 (08:46)
#416
Wrong because ... You had the choice of chosing your dictator, he just did not win.
...get yourself "Anarchy in the UK" by the Sex Pistols. ;-)
Moon, I finally see how you got your name... ;-)
I am baffled as to why Colin did this
$$$$$$$$$$$
It was probably just $$$$$ - barely ���...
I thought perhaps they were natural moles and bad lighting...? But maybe he was suffering from a breakout...
He has some permanent very pale moley bumps on one of his temples - and also periodical breakouts around his chin... There were some visible when he did the Survival appeal. But he looked beautifully smooth at the MLSF London premiere. Do the poor baby's hormone levels fluctuate, then?
~EileenG
Mon, May 22, 2000 (14:02)
#417
(Moon)I am baffled as to why Colin did this
(Evelyn) $$$$$$$$$$$
Have to wonder if he's been paid. I heard Misan was over the limit on her credit card. ;-P
~Allison2
Mon, May 22, 2000 (14:16)
#418
I heard Misan was over the limit on her credit card.
LOL! That was probably cos of Colin's paycheque. Maybe Jeremy Irons would have accepted a share of the profits.
~KarenR
Mon, May 22, 2000 (15:41)
#419
Maybe Jeremy Irons would have accepted a share of the profits.
Why does he strike you as one can short of a six-pack? ;-)
~Allison2
Mon, May 22, 2000 (16:04)
#420
Why does he strike you as one can short of a six-pack? ;-)
LOL! No way. He had enough sense to turn the project down.
~KJArt
Mon, May 22, 2000 (16:44)
#421
(Moon) I finally saw SLOW. It was a sweet film, a must-do-fastforward one, but sweet.
I did too. I also arranged to watch it with a friend over the weekend. Upon my first viewing (alone), I was inclined to agree with you.
His acting is vintage CF.
Some very nice spots. I was especially taken with his confession to Nimi of being afraid of her and what was happening. Very touching and bee-you-tifully done!
Mathew is not such an interesting character, and I am baffled as to why Colin did this.
Again, on my first viewing I would have agreed with you. It wasn't until my second (when I was beginning to figure out who was who and how they were related, and finally picking up some of the dialogue) when I had a definite reassessment: This story was very redeemable given better screenwriting and more original dialogue; it made more sense than was originally apparent. The situation had some very interesting possibilities. My friend picked up on it faster than I, and liked it very much.
Things were there that were incomplete, quickly passed over and not made clear. But I can see why CF would have been intrigued by it originally. I have seen it a third time and suspect I will watch it through a couple more ... I'm not at the "fast-forward" stage yet. :-)
Unfortunately, potentially good and powerful stuff was badly mishandled both during shooting and after. But as ODB stated philosophically during one of his interviews, once the actors have done their bit, it is in other people's hands -- the old too-many-cooks syndrome. It had been suggested that the major players in this production were operating under different agendas ... unfortunately, it shows.
Did anyone notice the major acne break-out on his face? I did not notice any in the Donmar pictures.
He must be a trial for his make-up people occasionally. That "aging" article was citing genetic luck for some people that don't show the signs of aging as fast as others (and including ODB). He apparently has a naturally oily skin which is both a blessing and a curse. It forstalls the wrinkling process, but unfortunately keeps breaking out and producing sebaceous cysts even into middle age. I guess he just "rises above it". ;-) KJ
~Moon
Mon, May 22, 2000 (18:03)
#422
Moon, I finally see how you got your name... ;-)
Thank you, Arami! It is true, I dream of a kindlier world. ;-)
~EileenG
Tue, May 23, 2000 (09:01)
#423
(KJArt) This story was very redeemable given better screenwriting and more original dialogue
It wasn't so much the dialogue but the abundance of cliche situations which got to me. The premise was interesting, the setting was terrific but the story was unimaginitive. I suppose if they didn't give Matthew a wife and a commitment problem there wouldn't have been enough conflict, but...
I've seen that men often encounter skin problems related to shaving. Of course, he could be secretly waxing. ;-D
~KarenR
Tue, May 23, 2000 (10:00)
#424
While doing some research for Moon, I ran across this comment of Eileen's on the BJD topic:
...again! Colin's had more 'breakouts' than a teenager.
Seems rather apropos ;-)
~jcjc
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (18:40)
#425
After watching SLOW for the second time, I can truly say that this movie will never grow on me. I�m truly disappointed and it would pain me to see it again in its entirety. I can�t get past the story or that soooo stiff acting. It was totally unbelievable�and if it were, believable, Matthew would be someone you could never trust.
~heide
Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (08:28)
#426
I agree about not trusting Matthew. Besides the fact that cheating on his wife is perfectly acceptable to him, he set out to seduce Nimi before he even met her. All he needed to hear was if she were beautiful. And when the next pretty face comes along? Sure, sure, he says he loves her and we're supposed to believe that the kind of life he led pre-Nimi was unsatisfactory but do we really believe it?
Still, I'm shallow enough to watch this film again for some very pretty scenery.
~KarenR
Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (08:37)
#427
(Jana) Matthew would be someone you could never trust.
(Heide) Besides the fact that cheating on his wife is perfectly acceptable to him
Have we forgotten that he and his wife have "an arrangement"? As she tells Nimi in the kitchen the day before she and Matthew are supposed to leave, it "adds spice."
I've had to watch the movie umpteen times (for administrative purposes) - in fact, last night again - and it hasn't been torture at all. ;-)
~KarenR
Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (08:38)
#428
...and he tells Nimi that there are boundaries and asks if she can accept them. To which, she answers "yes."
~lafn
Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (08:54)
#429
(Karen)..and he tells Nimi that there are boundaries and asks if she can accept them. To which, she answers "yes
Yeah..but that's after they've had a good shag in the potting shed.
Doesn't count;-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
(Heide)I'm shallow enough to watch this film again for some very pretty scenery.
Scenery better on the big screen...alas not the story or his acting.
*two thumbs down*
~jcjc
Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (11:14)
#430
(Karen)Have we forgotten that he and his wife have "an arrangement"? As she tells Nimi in the kitchen the day before she and Matthew are supposed to leave, it "adds spice."
One of many clues telling her that he's a loser.
(Karen)I've had to watch the movie umpteen times (for administrative purposes) - in fact, last night again - and it hasn't been torture at all. ;-)
I have to stick to the snappys less painful. With them I can at least make up another story. By reading some of the earlier posts I would like to know what possessed this lady to write such a story. She offerred no depth or anything new. I could have written a better story on toilet paper.
~patas
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (16:51)
#431
I quite liked SLOW... Am I alone in this then?
~lafn
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (17:30)
#432
(Gi)I quite liked SLOW... Am I alone in this then?
Probably not...but aside from looking gorgeous, what did you like about it?
~patas
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (07:37)
#433
The kid, the headdresses, the house, the wedding negotiations, the tomatoes, the music... Of course he *did* look gorgeous and sullen in a Darcy-like way... ;-)
~lafn
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (09:02)
#434
Thank you...just curious. Thought I was missing something ;-)
~KJArt
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (15:56)
#435
(Gi) .. I quite liked SLOW... Am I alone in this then?
Absolutely not! (I said so before but I can reiterate), Enjoyed all that and a few of the cracks showed a genuine wit back there somewhere. A bit off the wall, granted, but so what. I can, and will watch it again. KJ (not a perfectionist as far as CF is concerned)
~EileenG
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (16:50)
#436
We've seen ODB in far less-than-perfect films before. Much as I hate to admit it, even the dreaded P offers a better performance, IMO, than SLOW. And the scenery's pretty good, too... ;-D There were things I liked about SLOW but the acting wasn't among them.
~lafn
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (17:52)
#437
I liked the Nigerian hair wraps, and proverbs....
(Eileen)..but the acting wasn't among them.
Oh...there was acting?
~catheyp
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (01:20)
#438
Oh...there was acting?
You're too cruel!! (giggle)
~KarenR
Tue, Oct 10, 2000 (22:58)
#439
Comments from the New York showing of Londinium from a friend:
Yes, indeed. I liked it. I laughed. Colin was truly truly handsome: Charles Gould + (beard), modified Darcy (hair and sideburns--darkish).
I know that there will be several skeptics encountered--particularly those who like me have watched other Mike Binder classics like Sex Machine and Indian Summer. I went into viewing the film really hoping not to dislike it, but I have positives to report--and again I think those of you who like romantic comedies will like this one--and particularly Colin.
Londinium, while somewhat predictable, is never gross or sophmoric--and only
slightly immature. It is unlike the other Binder films I watched. The Binder
character is still the loser--but he is truly a bit more likeable loser.
The film begins with a voiceover telling us that it's a film about foolish behavior and that we shouldn't judge the characters too badly--and it comes back to this statement in the summing up at the end. It strikes the right tone! The film of course is about coupling--and uncoupling--and musical relationships. And it's also kind of an American's love affair with London--which looks good--and is always SUNNY in this film (never a drop of rain/ or a spot of fog): it's always summer in the park.
But best of all (am I biased?) was Colin. He plays a true romantic lead--and he's involved in so many comic situations--rather than in a load of comic lines. And I think he is wonderful again at doing what he does best--letting us know what's he thinking effectively and subtly. And he kind of underplays some of his comic lines (like the bit about the Binder character--Ben--not being able to help being American). And, I'm sorry, he and Irene Jacob make such a cute couple--and when he smiles at her . . .
And really some of the best scenes are the ones with Stephen Fry, who plays the therapist. It turns out he deals in labor conflicts, not romantic ones, so when Colin and his partner go to him and start talking about sex--the poor therapist is a bit nonplussed--as only Stephen Fry can be. And poor Colin having to be so repressed and uncomfortable about talking about his sex life...
The theatre was only about 1/2 full and most of the people looked in their twenties and early thirties. There was laughter throughout--on the lightish side. And those for stayed for the credits applauded--couldn't recognize any Binder-looking relatives among them, who it might have been genuine appreciation.
It was entertaining--and it had Colin looking at his best and acting very well indeed.
A thumbs up? Definitely not down in any case.
~Moon
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (07:40)
#440
So Binder is getting it together! Thanks for the review, Karen. The first of many I hope. It looks like it is definitely Colin's film. Commedies are always the hardest to do as an actor. I look forward to reading more opinions. :-)
~KarenR
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (10:57)
#441
(Moon) So Binder is getting it together!
Before you get your hopes too high...It wasn't like Sex Monster or Indian Summer. There was less physical humor and neebish-y Mike. The four lead roles kind of had equal force in the movie--although the framework and main interest was Mike.
Colin got to play a romantic lead: he gets to seduce a woman in a hotel room and use his dimples as well as other parts of his body. His look was wonderful and he did his usual wonderful signaling of his thoughts through his face.
The main question of the film, was can relationships survive the initial glow? Not too original and not answered originally but it was entertaining along the way--one gross, offensive scene that involved some overweight folk. Binder does go for the cheap laugh and his one-liners aren't great but this time they aren't insulting.
The sheer cuteness of Colin and Irene Jacob carries the film.
Probably the best part are the "sex" therapy sessions with Stephen Fry as the therapist, but actually he specializes in labor disputes.Have asked for clarification of the line: "he gets to seduce a woman in a hotel room
and use his dimples as well as other parts of his body." ;-D
As far as billing goes, all the leads' names were on the screen at the same time alphabetically. Very ensemble-ish. Haven't heard back how the names were shown in the end credits. Perhaps "in order of appearance."
~Moon
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (11:58)
#442
I have an impartial report (she is not smitten with CF as we are), from a friend who went. Not too good.
The film is basically a predictable couples in love, couples in lust, couples out of love, couples out of lust scenario that has been done countless times before usually better. However, C.F. and I.J. were good considering the script they had to work with, it wasn't the worst film made and it did have some amusing moments but it could have been so much better. Binder acts like a poor man's Woody Allen throughout,. Very manic, Jewish NY cadence but very forced. Stephen Fry had a very small part which is too bad since he was so good in Oscar Wilde. Mariel Hemingway was her usual stiff self. We all agreed that it was about forty minutes too long and the characters lacked any passion. My friend who went with me said they were just so cold you could not feel for them but we all thought Colin, Irene and one of the English actors (can't remember his name right now) were good. We also all agreed we were happy we didn't pay the NY price of $9.25 for the film.
Colin looks thinner again, not as muscular as in P & P.
~Moon
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (12:03)
#443
(Karen),Have asked for clarification of the line: "he gets to seduce a woman in a hotel room
and use his dimples as well as other parts of his body." ;-D
Forgot this part:
Oh, he did have a few love (sex) scenes but nothing revealing...sorry !
~KarenR
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (12:25)
#444
Binder acts like a poor man's Woody Allen throughout,. Very manic, Jewish NY cadence but very forced.
I see nothing has changed. Of course, it was "forced." Binder is (a) not from NY and (b) not a good actor. ;-D
Oh, he did have a few love (sex) scenes but nothing revealing...sorry !
LOL! Your friend knows you all too well.
~Moon
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (13:44)
#445
Oh, he did have a few love (sex) scenes but nothing revealing...sorry !
LOL! Your friend knows you all too well.
(Blushing) Well, I did ask her for more details too. ;-)
I hope whoever has seen it post the details of the sex scenes. We get the gist of the movie.
~MarianneC
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (15:07)
#446
Bethan: Yes, Yes, Yes
~Jana2
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (15:07)
#447
(Moon) I hope whoever has seen it post the details of the sex scenes. We get the gist of the movie.
Just a quickie, as must get back to work. I'll write more later as you have questions. Regarding the sex scene (only one, sorry!) Colin and Irene are progressively more attracted to each other and end up alone at a B&B. Don't want to give away too much plot as to why Mike and Mariel aren't there. Colin just can't take it anymore and he reaches out to kiss Irene and pulls her close. She protests feebly "no we mustn't" and then succumbs to his charms. What follows is a brief bit more of heavier kissing and clinching, first standing up and then falling down on the bed together. All clothes remain on during the entire time. After that we hear a lot more lovemaking sounds through the wall but do not see anything more.
There is also a lovely kiss between CF and IJ at the end. The only sexual situation between CF and Mariel involves them lying in bed, bored with each other and talking about why they're not haveing sex :-).
BTW Bethan, if you're checking here I didn't want to post the answer to your question from #134, but IMO there were several portions of the film where I thought Colin's role made him appear as a stereotypical, repressed and somewhat wimpy Brit. Not that I think British men are like that, mind you..... just answering your question about a stereotypical portrayal :-).
~Jana2
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (15:14)
#448
I see Marianne and I crossed posts. So as not to be totally confusing in the answer to Bethan's second question, yes I agree with Marianne there are moments when Colin gets to act sexy. Unfortunately there are also moments when he's wimpy and un-sexy. So there you go - a well rounded performance :-).
~lafn
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (15:32)
#449
.Thanks to everybody....Marianne and Jana for going to the film .
By all reports it seems that it was Max Binder's good fortune to latch on to Colin and IJ. Apparently they made the movie palatable.Of course we all knew he would look gorgeous.
(Jana)..What follows is a brief bit
more of heavier kissing and clinching, first standing up and then falling down on the bed together.
What kind of heavier kissing...details, please....movie kisses.?..he takes her upper lip or TRT....? Enquiring [dirty]minds want to know;-)
~Jana2
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (15:39)
#450
(Evelyn) What kind of heavier kissing...details, please....movie kisses.?..he takes her upper lip or TRT....? Enquiring [dirty]minds want to know;-)
LOL! Unfortunately I can't really remember. I don't think we got a real close up on the lip area. If I recall correctly, the scene is mostly shot with Colin facing camera, Irene's back to camera and her head blocking a lot of the details in the lip area. Sorry I can't be more specific. The scene happened so quickly - this is when you really want the video so as to be able to rewind and uncover matters of such doctrinal import :-). Marianne, can you add anything better than my recollection?
~KarenR
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (15:51)
#451
Was there evidence of lapdancer stimulation as is described on 136? ;-D
~Moon
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (15:52)
#452
(Jana2)there are moments when Colin gets to act sexy. Unfortunately there are also moments when he's wimpy and un-sexy. So there you go - a well rounded performance :-).
LOL! Not the wimp word, anything but that!
Colin just can't take it anymore and he reaches out to kiss Irene and pulls her close.
As in Paul in FP?
Does Colin's performance here remind you of any other ones?
Thanks for the reports. :-D
~KarenR
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (15:55)
#453
Another matter of doctrinal import... do you think his beddie-by black t-shirt was one from his own collection? ;-D
~MarianneC
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (16:09)
#454
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When the story begins, he's married to MH. But, it's already a dull, boring marriage. Ben, infatuated with Carly, decides to set up Allen and Fiona to prove to Carly that they are having an affair, and becuase Carly requires proof that Allen and Fiona are actually having an affair before she�ll sleep with Ben. He plans a weekend for all four. Carly feigns being ill and Ben running late at work and he�ll meet up with Allen and Fiona who are already at the station. Actually, Carly and Ben are at the B&B, and have situated themselves in the room next to Allen�s. It turns out that Allen and Fiona are attracted to each other and fall into each other�s arms and onto the bed (fully clothed!). On the other side, Ben and Carly are listening to their moans and groans, and staring at the decorative china plates over the bed banging against the wall. Allen and Fiona get together; live happily ever after for a while, then things become strained between the two of them. She�s become a successful author and is as
ed to go to Rome to do book. Allen doesn�t want to go. She says they need to see a therapist to talk about why they don't communicate and have sex anymore. He�s against it, but relents and says they should see a therapist he knows. They both go and see this labor/management arbitrator, who�s in over his head with their problems. She makes ask questions, like: how many times they used to do it in a day? Where they used to do it? Why doesn�t he like to kiss her between her legs anymore? (Was I too graphic?) Allen and Nigel (SF) are both extremely uncomfortable with her plain speaking. Finally, she decides she�s going off to Rome on her own. Allen goes back to the therapist to try to understand why this is happening. He has one last confrontation with Ben and Davey (JD) outside the pub, tells them he�s leaving London and going to Rome because he loves his wife. At the train station, he meets up with Fiona. They hug and they kiss � quite lovingly.
~lafn
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (17:26)
#455
I don't think the plot will merit a Pulitzer :-(
BUT
Why doesn�t he like to kiss her
between her legs anymore? (Was I too graphic?)
The dialogue shows promise:-))
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
do you think his beddie-by black t-shirt was one from his
own collection? ;-D
I was thinking the same....
~~~~~~~~~~~
(Evelyn) What kind of heavier kissing..
(Jana)LOL! Unfortunately I can't really remember. I don't think we got a real close up on the lip area
OK , Mark...you just got your assignment;-)
~mari
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (17:48)
#456
(Marianne) Allen and Fiona get together; live happily ever after for a while, then things become strained between the two of them. She�s become a successful author and is asked to go to Rome to do book.
Yeah, every makeup artist *I* know becomes a successful author.;-) And me, like a dope, I majored in Journalism--*slapping side of head*;-)
(Evelyn) I don't think the plot will merit a Pulitzer :-(
See comment above.;-)
Marianne or Jana, could you clarify: are Ben and Fiona married at the start of the film? Also, what was the audience's general reaction? Again, many thanks to you both for the reports. I agree that the dialogue shows promise--and, um, could we get the answers to the questions posed in the shrink's office?:-)
~Renata
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (18:00)
#457
Thank you for the Londinium reports. Didn't read the spoilers in detail (only through the fingers), but there's one thing I'd like to know: Was there a bathtub sharing scene with the body double from Luton, Bare-Everything-Ingrid?
~MarianneC
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (18:23)
#458
Renate: No
Mari: Fiona (IJ) is a friend who works for Allen (CF) on Carly's (MH) TV show. Ben (MB) is a writer from the US brought on by Carly to energize her show. Ben, even though he's infatuated with Carly, hooks up and marries Fiona.
Um, answers to those questions ... I don't remember exactly if there was a reply (Jana, HELP!) ... all I pretty much remember was how he and Nigel were both squirming. But, I'm sure there were some allusions that they had a very satisfactory sex life in the beginning ... would do it in every room in the house, the taxi, the train station, ... hope that helps.
As for audience reaction, there was polite applause in the end for everyone (MB got the longest applause) well he was in the audience and I guess it's safe to assume most of the people there were there to see his movie. At least quite a few kept saying "Where's Mike?" Everyone seemed to laugh at all the appropriate places, especially when it came to digs about the industry.
~heide
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (18:36)
#459
Thanks, ladies. Haven't gotten to the other topic yet so forgive me if I repeat stuff that's already been asked and answered.
If no lip action to report (yes, world, we're insane), how about at least some left shoulder rotation?
When is the wedding scene that we've seen shots of? I had assumed at the end of the film but it sounds as if Fiona and Allen get together midway through the film.
But, I'm sure there were some allusions that they had a very satisfactory sex life in the beginning ... would do it in every room in the house, the taxi, the train station, ..
And we don't get to see it? Waaah! Just kidding. Simply seeing Colin as a halfway normal modern male will make me very happy. The dialog is better than SLOW, right?
~MarianneC
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (19:00)
#460
Heide: There are 2 wedding scenes, Fiona & Ben's, and Fiona & Allen's.
~Jana2
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (21:06)
#461
(Moon) Does Colin's performance here remind you of any other ones?
There were some Paul Ashworth moments, for example one time he was angry and yelled something like "Would you Pleeeeeze stop...." (can't remember the rest because I was so taken by the Paul-like "please". Perhaps Paul comes to mind because they are both modern day characters. I will do some more thinking on this question and see if I come up with any more likenesses.
Why doesn�t he like to kiss her between her legs anymore? (Was I too graphic?)
(Evelyn) The dialogue shows promise:-))
If you liked that, you'll love the follow up session where they discuss why there's been a drop off in the number of times per week he wants her to make love to him with her mouth ;-). I use the term discussion loosely, since it mostly consists of very frank (and hilarious) talk by IJ and much hemming and hawing by CF and SF.
(Marianne) Um, answers to those questions ... I don't remember exactly if there was a reply (Jana, HELP!)
Hmmm, I think CF responded that passion just drops off which is natural in a relationship. IJ then gets huffy and wonders that if it's so natural, why hasn't he lost his passion for the taste of a good steak :-)?
(Renata) Was there a bathtub sharing scene with the body double from Luton, Bare-Everything-Ingrid?
LOL - I had totally forgotten about Ingrid and the hot tub. Unfortunately there is a sad dirth of wet scenes in this movie. Lots of scenes walking or standing next to bodies of water but the shirt never gets wet. No hot tubs in sight either, although Ingrid sounds like the type of person that Mike Binder might hire :-).
(Heide)If no lip action to report (yes, world, we're insane), how about at least some left shoulder rotation?
I knew you'd ask about that so I watched for this especially :-). There is a lovely snog at the end where there might have been something close to our lovable shoulder action. The camera is whirling in a circle though, so I got a little disoriented. And just in case you're disappointed at the lack of lip action, take heart that there is one good close up of MB planting one on Mariel ;-). I guess that's not quite the same, is it?
(Heide) When is the wedding scene that we've seen shots of?
As Marianne says there are two. Fiona and Ben's about one third of the way through and Fiona and Allen's about two thirds of the way through. I had figured the wedding would have been the grand finale ala P&P, but it turned out there was quite a bit more action after the second wedding.
Let's see, what other tidbit can I throw out to you..... Oh yes, we get to see how CF does in a fight.
~KarenR
Wed, Oct 11, 2000 (22:21)
#462
(Evelyn) The dialogue shows promise:-))
(Mari) I agree that the dialogue shows promise--and, um, could we get the answers to the questions posed in the shrink's office?:-)
Scene screams for visuals, rather than dialogue IMO. ;-D
(moi) do you think his beddie-by black t-shirt was one from his own collection? ;-D
(Evelyn) I was thinking the same....
*hee hee* Knew it!
(Marianne) At least quite a few kept saying "Where's Mike?"
That was when he stood up, right? ;-D
Thanks for the reports, ladies. Most enjoyable. Catch any "insider" audience comments?
~Moon
Thu, Oct 12, 2000 (07:27)
#463
Oh yes, we get to see how CF does in a fight.
As in MLSF? Is this when the wimp comes up? Please say no! ;-)
~KarenR
Thu, Oct 12, 2000 (08:19)
#464
No, remember how Allen was originally described as a barroom brawler?? CF gets to punch out a bunch of people and does so credibly. His arm has improved. So we're not going to wince...at least at that part. ;-D
~EileenG
Thu, Oct 12, 2000 (14:17)
#465
(Evelyn) The dialogue shows promise:-)
*snort*
(Heide)If no lip action to report (yes, world, we're insane), how about at least some left shoulder rotation?
(Jana) I knew you'd ask about that so I watched for this especially :-). There is a lovely snog at the end where there might have been something close to our lovable shoulder action. The camera is whirling in a circle though
Ooh, another whirly-twirly. Whee!
...so I got a little disoriented. And just in case you're disappointed at the lack of lip action, take heart that there is one good close up of MB planting one on Mariel ;-). I guess that's not quite the same, is it?
Did he have to stand on a chair?
(Marianne) At least quite a few kept saying "Where's Mike?"
(Karen) That was when he stood up, right? ;-D
*snort again*
Thanks for your reports, Jana and Marianne! Re: love scenes, am afraid the NMPR* rule applies. Also, he might have to sit through a screening with the in-laws. ;-)
*No more pumpy-rumpy (or was it rumpy-pumpy?) :-D
~patas
Thu, Oct 12, 2000 (14:48)
#466
I may never (or at least not for a long time) get to see his new films so I do the next best thing, I read your reports... Thank you ladies. Knowing the end doesn't spoil a movie or a book for me (unless it's a thriller, of course), so please go on, go on :-)
~MarianneC
Thu, Oct 12, 2000 (15:42)
#467
Oops forgot, they gave out cards for Londinium ... really just cast list and site address. You've probably already seen this.
http://sunlightproductions.com/Londinium
http://sunlightproductions.com/Londinium/40x.html
~Jana2
Thu, Oct 12, 2000 (21:01)
#468
(Moon) As in MLSF? Is this when the wimp comes up? Please say no! ;-)
(Karen) No, remember how Allen was originally described as a barroom brawler?? CF gets to punch out a bunch of people and does so credibly. His arm has improved. So we're not going to wince...at least at that part. ;-D
Karen is absolutely correct, so take heart Moon. Allen does the punching in this film so you don't have to watch him cower on the floor and get beat up :-).
~Moon
Fri, Oct 13, 2000 (08:22)
#469
So my DH will just keep quiet this time? Yeah!
Thanks Jana and Karen!
~KarenR
Fri, Oct 13, 2000 (08:31)
#470
(Moon) So my DH will just keep quiet this time? Yeah!
*hee hee* Yes, Colin seems to get all the women in this film, by YDH might be gloating during the analyst sessions.