Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 226 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (10:27) * 21 lines I am using this topic for The Secret Laughter of Women This is a fairly instant review, but objective (I hope), given my gender! SLOW is a colourful and touching film, focusing apparently on race, but more importantly about love and the goals of life. Widowed Nimi's son Sami lies to his friends that he has moved to a big house, where Matt Field spontaneously helps the deception and turns out to be the author of Sami's adventure hero Saracen ("Justice, with a body-count"). Matt subsequently courts Nimi, but is comprehensively rejected by her exiled Nigerian community, who are trying to wed Nimi to the new priest. Matt uses his wealth to help her realise her ambitions at work, but is visited by his open-marriage wife, who becomes jealous of the perceived bond. Both Matt and Nimi are forced to resolve their own aspirational conflicts, catalysed by Sami's misadventure on the eve of Nimi's arranged marriage. CF starts as a wealthy, carefree, amused figure - who slowly becomes aware that he too has needs. The difficulties for Nimi are tougher, with an ancient yet matriarchal culture shaming her to learn how to cook stew, talk in proverbs and find a husband to serve, while she tries to forgeher own way without fracturing her links to her community (and family). The film is strong on humorous moments, especially early on in the Church of the Anglican Ascension ("remember ... Satan is always portrayed with a white face"), and in the mansion where Matt abets Sami's fib. Later on, there are touching moments, and even an action scene and a post-coital scene. The colour is provided by Grasse, an almost irrelevantly French setting, and especially by the Nigerian Christian garb. The earthy women of the community joke about men, sex and clothes whilst trying to inculcate the ancient oppressive values into Nimi. CF is variously amusing, tender, wilful, confused and heroic, but appears to appreciate the Nigerian sensitivities before finally deciding to ride roughshod over them. I thought it was a charming film, and would be very popular in cinemas. Possibly it would need still more humour to play really well, and maybe a less formulaic denouement would help it to bemore earthed in reality. Overall well worth goofing off from work! As a review, I barely need to state that the above is all IMVHO. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 227 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (10:44) * 12 lines As a review, I barely need to state that the above is all IMVHO. Well done, Mark (for both the review and blowing off work to see a CF movie). *cue applause* maybe a less formulaic denouement Recent reviews point to this as the reason it wasn't picked up earlier by distributors. Regardless, it's great to see it out of the bank vault and on the screen. I hope UK audiences forgive its flaws. Later on, there are touching moments, and even an action scene and a post-coital scene. Ahem...I wouldn't mind a few spoilers here--perhaps after the LFF is over and Evelyn, Ann, etc. have seen it? Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 228 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (10:46) * 3 lines Oh, thank you, Mark. You have missed your calling. Film criticism beckons you. Far better than 99.9% of the reviews I've read at AICN site. So, how did our "plain-speaking" Evelyn react? Did she walk out saying, "This doesn't have a prayer" or "no wonder no one bought it"? ;-D Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 229 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (11:02) * 2 lines Re-reading my review, I realise that as usual I have become dry and pompous. Only fair to say that the film is lovely and funny, and I would recommend it without hesitation to any kind of audience. Definitely did not deserve to languish in a vault! Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 230 of 352: S B Robinson (SBRobinson) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (11:02) * 5 lines Wonderful review Mark! I'm so glad you were able to escape work for a few hours and see it. :) Later on, there are touching moments, and even an action scene and a post-coital scene. (Eileen)Ahem...I wouldn't mind a few spoilers here-- you and me both, Eileen *hee hee* ;D and can you fill us in on if there were any great close ups of his face Mark? Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 231 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (11:10) * 2 lines I have become dry and pompous Not at all!

Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 232 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (11:16) * 7 lines SB: can you fill us in on if there were any great close ups of his face Mark? Ah yes, just the sort of question I wasn't concentrating on. The answer is that there must have been, because there is so much of YDB in the film. Almost every scene features either Nia Long or himself (or both), and little of it from any kind of distance. I don't know what Evelyn or others thought yet, as I turned up seconds before the start and rushed off as soon as the credits rolled. I am confident that they will report this to be one of the most successful film releases yet from the Firthettes' point of view (i.e. focus, role, presentation of CF). If you can imagine Paul Ashworth with financial success in the bag, that's a pretty good start. His wife, BTW, describes a certain part of him as "Ever-Ready Eddie". What can this mean? Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 233 of 352: Moon Dreams (Moon) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (11:59) * 10 lines (Karen), Oh, thank you, Mark. You have missed your calling. Film criticism beckons you. Far better than 99.9% of the reviews I've read at AICN site. You and me both! Thank you Mark! Now we will be asking you opinion on many more films. :-D (Mark), His wife, BTW, describes a certain part of him as "Ever-Ready Eddie". What can this mean? LOL! We certainly want to hear much more on this from Evelyn and Ann. Now that SLOW is out, I do believe Colin has no more films in the vault. Which is more than can be said for Mr. Fiennes. ;-) I wonder if Livia attended the screening? Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 234 of 352: bethan (lizbeth54) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (12:13) * 1 lines Terrific review Mark! I second Karen's opinion....you have missed your calling! Thanks for bunking off! Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 235 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (13:09) * 2 lines Wow, how do I follow Mark's review except to say I second everything he has said and am very glad to hear it from the male perspective as someone in the audince said it w as a chick-flick, whatever that means. Lots of lovely close-ups of Colin, and I thought the chemistry and romance betwen Nimi and Matthew was very convincing, much more so than Ruth Gemmell and Colin in Fever Pitch (and I liked FP), although you knew they would end up together you really really wanted them to. One review I read said that the end was a bit contrived and to be honest I tend to agree, I felt the ending was rather rushed, I could have done with another 30mins. We had close-ups, love scenes, longin gazes and even a wet shirt!!! Evelyn's comment as I mentioned on topic #123 was that it wouldn't win any Oscars, except possible in Nigeria, but was a charming film. A must-see and a must-keep for a CF fan I am sure. What with MLSF there is so much to look forward to, oh and 3DOR. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 239 of 352: Lucie (alyeska) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (13:19) * 1 lines Thank you from me too Mark. I wonder how long we will have to wait to see it in the U.S. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 240 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (13:54) * 4 lines Ann, your excitement is palpable! Thus far SLOW sounds alot like MLSF--not a perfect film but enjoyable and lots of CF to boot. What with MLSF there is so much to look forward to, oh and 3DOR. Good things come to those who wait. With SLOW (of course, you'll have to see it again when it's released later this month), TOTS, Blackadder and possibly Don Q in addition to 3DOR, May will be here before you know it! Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 241 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (14:00) * 1 lines True very true, as Lizzie once said and talking of Lizzie, JE is definitely coming to Broadway with TRT. only hope that MLSF's opening in May doesn't clash with a trip to NY!!! but what a lovely problem. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 242 of 352: Heide (heide) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (16:56) * 1 lines I must rush off but had to check this sight. WOW!! I'm thrilled with both your posts, Mark and Ann, and can't wait to read the rest. I want to know how it ends!! Please, more details. I'll think of questions for tomorrow if no one else does first. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 243 of 352: Lynda Wilson (lyndaw) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (18:01) * 2 lines Thanks for the encouraging reviews, Mark and Ann. I hope everyone else who sees it tomorrow will post ASAP. Sounds like an enjoyable film. Loved both MLSF and FP and can't wait to see SLOW. I will be in London on Dec.4 and am keeping my fingers crossed that SLOW will be playing then. The thought of seeing this film in addition to ODB on stage is so exciting that I won't mind even if it rains every day we're there. What better way to spend a rainy afternoon than drooling over Matthew - although I don't thi k my DH or son would agree with me on that.

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 244 of 352: Mary Murphy (Brown32) * Fri, Nov 12, 1999 (20:02) * 5 lines Thanks from here, Mark and Ann. I just KNOW we will never get to see it on this side of the pond, and, since I am well known as a non-flyer, I despair of ever finding out about "Ever Ready Eddie." Mark, may I post your review on my SLOW page? I can make it "anon" if you want, but it is so good, and would cheer those who will never get to see the film. Murph Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 245 of 352: Heide (heide) * Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (08:23) * 18 lines I don't want to spoil SLOW for anyone else who has a chance of seeing it in the next few weeks so just don't read the answers to the questions I'm going to post to Mark, Ann, and the others who have not yet weighed in. Sorry Bethan, Lynda - close your eyes. It will be a long wait before the video gets to these shores. How does the courtship between Matthew and Nimi come about? help her realise her ambitions at work Does Nimi get a job outside her restricted enclave? visited by his open-marriage wife So then we are not to find Matt's adultery distasteful.;-) I take it his wife (name?) doesn't always live with her husband and takes lovers. How is that conveyed? Echoing the others asking for more on the post coital and action! scenes. Ann, et al, I'm sure you'll be able to give us a clear description of his physical appearance. Hair? Any interesting attire? (shorts, swimming, formal, none?) not too serious. Paul Ashworth sort of but not as rumpled? Big question - Do Matthew and Nimi end up together? And, what was the audience response? Thanks! Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 246 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (13:40) * 8 lines Here are some of the answers to some of your questions Heide. I was concentrating so much on Colin that I really need to see it again to answer all your questions. Anyway, firstly yes Nimi and Matthew do end up together, and I would say that his is the most romantic role Colin has played in a long time. They are both so sweeet they were made for each other and although Matthew and his wife seemed fond of each other, it was a very open marriage and they both knew the rules and until Matthew met Nimi he was quite happy with things. Colin wore lots of loose fitting shirts and dark suits with tee shirts underneath, showed off his lovely long lean body beautifully. His hair was a reddish brown, , very near his natural colour I would think, and curly but not as unruly as Paul Ashworth. He looked great in everything he wore. Nimi designs gardens and Matthew hired her to re-design her garden, he had 115 acres? I think that is what he said. Her family were not happy with her working for a white man. I shall have to go again to take in the things I missed the first time around. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 247 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (13:41) * 1 lines Oh btw the audience response was pretty good, well very good seeing as most of them wereprobably Firth fans, they laughed in all the right places and applauded at the end. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 248 of 352: Heide (heide) * Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (16:46) * 7 lines I would say that his is the most romantic role Colin has played in a long time. Ummmmm...I knew I would like this film. How was the relationship portrayed between Sami and Matthew? Pals? Father-son? I'm afraid I will pester you all for details until I can see the whole filmin my mind...which may be the only place I will see it for months. BTW, today is Caroline Goodall's 40th birthday. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 249 of 352: Heide (heide) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (14:29) * 1 lines And another thing...you mentioned wet shirt. Ann, don't leave us hanging. ;-) Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 250 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (15:29) * 2 lines Well - and this is where I agree with the reviewers the ending was rather contrived and rushed. The day before Nimi's marriage to the Reverend, Sammy goes missing and Nimi seeks Matthew's help just as he is about to leave with his wife. Sammy meanwhile has gone off on an adventure to Matthew's boat, climbs in and the boat tips over and is taken out to sea or to the rocks. Colin rushes off to Nimi' side say she needs me and I need her, realises where Sammi could be, dives in fully clothed and rescues Samm from the overturned boat. Hence wet shirt!! Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 251 of 352: Lizza J (Lizza) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (16:10) * 7 lines Great to read your reviews Mark and Ann, you have given us a really accuratepicture of it, that I anm sure we would enjoy it. It makes me even sadder that it has not been picked to tour the provinces in the LFF on tour later this month. Ho HUM! I love your description of his hair Ann! Mark are you coming to 3DOR with us?

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 252 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (16:26) * 1 lines Lizza, do you know it is going on General release on the 26th . BTW thanks for your very thorough answers on #123 Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 253 of 352: Lizza J (Lizza) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (16:59) * 5 lines Of course Ann, thanks for nudging my brain there! Is that general release though or will it be very limited, eg arthouse type venues? Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 254 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (17:08) * 3 lines Didn't Bethan post something about how SLOW was going to be in "normal" theaters? I've just spoken to Evelyn a little while ago. She and Aishling and Tineke are boiling mad after the Q&A at the Ritzy! But I'll let them relate what was said. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 255 of 352: bethan (lizbeth54) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (17:29) * 3 lines Don't leave us in the lurch too long over the Q&A session, please, or my imagination will work overtime. Hostile questions? Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 256 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (18:05) * 1 lines Oh before I go off to bed I forgot to mention that Colin spoke three sentences in French, oh la la. Is there no end to this man's talents. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 257 of 352: Heide (heide) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (19:09) * 5 lines Fr..Fr..Fr..French? Be still my heart. Ending does sound contrived but hey..they can't all be award winners. I'll let you sleep, Ann, but come back tomorrow. We have other questions. Thanks so much for bearing the brunt of this. I hope Evelyn can share your load soon. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 258 of 352: Cymbeline (baine) * Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (20:39) * 1 lines And 'ow is ees accent? Does he make beautiful music? Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 259 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (01:58) * 7 lines Murph, of course you can post my "review" on your site. Such flattery! (Heide) How does the courtship between Matthew and Nimi come about? After Sami gets delivered to CF's big house and CF plays along with his pretence that he lives there, CF has to return Sami to his mother. His first line about Nia Long is "Why did you tell me she wasn't beautiful?" and so begins his pursuit, which is never convincingly rebuffed. (Lizza) Mark are you coming to 3DOR with us? I have tickets. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 260 of 352: Tineke (Tineke) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (03:21) * 1 lines Help!! What's this Yapp error? It took me an hour to write down all my comments, and when I wanted to post them, I got this yapp error and lost everything! Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 261 of 352: Tineke (Tineke) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (03:36) * 21 lines I guess I'll have to start all over again. First of all, Ann and Mark, I enjoyed reading your reviews of SLOW. (Ann) He looked great in everything he wore. Except for that awful bathrobe! You forgot to mention the silly but cute sneakers he's wearing in this film;-) There are a lot of P&P scenes in this film; looking through window in the above mentioned bathrobe, getting wet... Fr..Fr..Fr..French? Be still my heart. He says " Qu'est-ce que vous voulez? Comment �tes-vous rentr�?" (What do you want? How did you get in?) He speaks rather fluent, but obviously with a slight English accent. So then we are not to find Matt's adultery distasteful.;-) I take it his wife (name?) doesn't always live with her husband and takes lovers. How is that conveyed? They both live in London. Matt's in the South of France to get some rest (apparently after having had a heart attack. But this is not clear in the film. We only know because we read the production notes). Matt keeps on postponing his trip back home (another P&P parallel). We see his wife talking over the phone with Matt, with another man lying next to her in bed. How was the relationship portrayed between Sami and Matthew? Pals? Father-son? Sammy's favourite hero is Saracin, a character invented by Matt. Sammy keeps on playing theseSaracin games, which gets him into trouble at times. So when Sammy meets Matt, his hero, he can't believe his luck! Of course, Sammy and Matt get along really well. Matt plays games with him, has to answer lots of Sammy's questions about life and sex...

copy continued Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 262 of 352: Tineke (Tineke) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (03:46) * 7 lines And now, the Q&A at the Ritzy. Both the director Peter Schwabach and the producer/writer Misan Sagay were there. They were talking about all the problems they had financing the film. The main production company, Handmade Films, went bankrupt around the time they started shooting the film. This obviously lead to questions about whether this forced them to cut the film more than they would have like, whether they had to leave out important scenes. Ms Sagay replied that they were overall happy with the film, but had a hard time convincing the people not to leave out too many Nigerian scenes. She said "imagine, they almost wanted to make a film about Colin Firth!" and laughed. She wanted to make a Nigerian film and would have preferred leaving out the Colin scenes rather than the parts with the Nigerian women. And she kept on talking how they were so fortunate to get such a great cast (clearly referring to all the Nigerian woman and not Colin). Then she thought she'd impress us by saying that Jeremy Irons was going to play the part of Matt nd had thought of Whitney Houston as Nimi. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 263 of 352: aishling (aishling) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (03:46) * 15 lines I haven't time at the moment to catch up on the posts so apologies in advance for any repeats. Although no master piece, this is a very enjoyable and comical film and CF looks gorgeous throughout. The film is set in Grasse, South of France and the location is colourful and beautiful as is the Nigerian native dress. The conversations between Matthew and Sami are very funny with Matthew having some very witty lines. Matthew is a bit of a cad and has had numerous affairs although he admits to being very happily married. The film runs for approx 40 mins before anyone knows he is married. For those worried about his infidelity, fear not. You just cannot take this film seriously. This is an open marriage with Jenny having her flings too and this is how their marriage works. One of my favourite secnes is when Matthew and Jenny are dancing together and Matthew is acting like a clown and being very laddish and extremely enjoying himself. He is also genuinely pleased to seeJenny when she makes a surprise visit. Poor CF get all wet again when he goes underwater fully clothed. He also gets to look at Nimi in his garden from an upstairs window wearing his bath robe. There was a lot of laughter throughout the film from both audiences and applause at the end. Tickets for Saturday night were sold out but due to rail works on the underground, there were no trains going to Brixton station. I won't go into the state Evelyn, Tineke and I got into. Suffice to say we made it. To whet your appetite, the Director and Writer attended on Saturday evening and held a question and answer session at the end of the screening. My cue to say "go to it Evelyn", who will be winging her way home today. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 265 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (04:00) * 1 lines Tineke, I don't know if you know this but he was actually protesting outside the Houses of Parliament about the time Slow was being shown on Friday. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 266 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (04:30) * 16 lines A few more spoiler thoughts, in no order: Americans get a pretty bad press in the film; the American characters I can remember are: Sami's disdainful Anglophone schoolfriends; Caroline Goodall's gormless lover, who she brings on her visit to Grasse; Matt's agent, who thinks the worst of his client and offers to sort out any mess that Matt has made. Would this affect an American distributor, I wonder? It's news to me that Matt is recovering from a heart attack (I hadn't read production notes). I was assuming he was lying low for a while after ending a liaison with a politician's wife (as the priest read out from the paper). I was going to say CG didn't look 40, but then I remembered when the film was made. She wouldn't! Tineke, are you honestly saying his French had only a "slight English accent"? I'm going to start daring to speak French again if that's true. I thought he sounded as hopeless as most of us (deliberately). On Matt's relationship with Sami, he was like the grown-up pal who dares to tell the kid the truth for the first time. "You mean all grown-ups have sex? Even the married ones?" "Especially the married ones" Re the ending: turning up with a lorryload of tomatoes is a typical Hollywood Quixotic gesture (imagine Richard Gere in Pretty Woman, or whoever that is who turns up with a yacht on a Manhattan street, or Billy Crystal bringing back a calf in City Slickers, or pretty much any romantic film of the past twenty years). Yeah, don't bust my chops, City Slickers isn't romantic, but you know what I mean. My point is it's a fairly lame bit of writing, and I sensed that CF had the decency to look embarrassed. (An it flaunted his wealth unnecessarily). What was the title about? All the Nigerian women laughed a lot together, and Nimi laughed in the "post-coital" scene, but the laughter must have been too secret for me to notice any deep meaning. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 267 of 352: Moon Dreams (Moon) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (07:23) * 5 lines Good point about the title, Mark. What do you think, Ann, Tineke, Aishling and Evelyn? Tineke, thanks for posting the french. I would love to hear it. ;-) Re: Q&A, it seems that they are angry with Colin and this is their way of attacking him. Maybe he refused to do any publicity for the film, esp. now that it will get a theatre release. Someone had said that he was not happy with the film. Does anyone know the exact comment? Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 268 of 352: aishling (aishling) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (08:21) * 8 lines Someone had said that he was not happy with the film. Does anyone know the exact comment? Evelyn and I were speaking to two ladies from FoF at the Friday SLOW screening. They had seen 3DOR the evening before and told him that they had timed their visit to London for the play and SLOW. Apparently he said to them "ah, that's too bad"

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 269 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (09:49) * 21 lines Thanks, thanks, thanks for the additional info, Ann, Mark, Tineke, Aishling and (in abstentia) Evelyn! (Aishling) with Matthew having some very witty lines. Do you (any of you who saw it) remember them? Also, Nimi laughed in the "post-coital" scene can you tell us more about this scene? How about the 'action' scenes (besides the wet shirt water rescue scene)? (Mark) Americans get a pretty bad press in the film...Would this affect an American distributor, I wonder? That and the fact the film has received so-so reviews (not original, contrived ending, etc.). or whoever that is who turns up with a yacht on a Manhattan street Michael Douglas in Romancing the Stone. But your point is taken ;-) (Tineke) Ms Sagay replied that they were overall happy with the film, but had a hard time convincing the people not to leave out too many Nigerian scenes Perhaps those were all the scenes with the women secretly laughing :-P She said "imagine, they almost wanted to make a film about Colin Firth!" Certainly not at his insistence. Unless ODB has a vain, pompous side (naaah). Ms. Sagay's lips must have been puckered from those sour grapes. Even with Colin Firth the film came *this close* to bank vault oblivion. Jeremy Irons and Whitney Houston, huh? IMO Whitney's salary alone would have eclipsed the entire budget for this movie. (Aishling) "ah, that's too bad" It sounds like there's no love lost over this production. Topic 121 of 125 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 270 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (09:58) * 29 lines Wow!! All the comments. Thank you, Mark, Tineke and Aishling. Knew you wouldn't wait toolong to get back in here. Even before any comments re: SLOW, I must know: Caroline Goodall's gormless lover What is this lover missing? I shudder to think. ;-D And Tineke, if you're using IE, always "Copy" your response before submitting, just in case you need to redo it. Now back to our subject at hand... Good point about the title. What is this "secret laughter of women"? If none of you can answer that, it would seem the filmmakers did not succeed with their message. (Tineke) silly but cute sneakers he's wearing in this film;-) Ooh, someone is looking at his feet! ;-D (Aishling) Matthew is a bit of a cad and has had numerous affairs...The film runs for approx 40 mins before anyone knows he is married. I did get the impression from all I've read that he actively pursues Nimi...that he's quite the hound. :) (Tineke) She didn't seem to like Colin very much. No wonder he didn't show up at the screening! When I spoke to the guy at Optimum, he said the Director had been in contact with Colin. Yeah, I wouldn't leave it up to Misan to entice Colin into attending. (Mark) Americans get a pretty bad press in the film...Would this affect an American distributor, I wonder? Interesting point. We can do it to ourselves, but no one likes it when others do it. However, it seems that point alone wouldn't be the reason why it hasn't found an American distributor. I get the impression that it's a fairly average film. Not even one that would get a first-time writer and director noticed. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 271 of 352: aishling (aishling) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (10:38) * 17 lines Karen: I did get the impression from all I've read that he actively pursues Nimi...that he's quite the hound. :) Absolutely. She is just another conquest until the end of the film. He tells her he is not ready for love and that she must know the boundaries!!!! What is this lover missing? I shudder to think. Speech for a start. Karen, I think you are in for a very entertaining meeting later today. Eileen: It sounds like there's no love lost over this production. I don't think so. Ms Sagay gave no credit to CF at all and he carried the film. She did say that what they could afford to pay Whitney Houston wouldn't pay for her hairdresser. I thought it very bad taste to say they wanted Jeremy Irons and that he wanted the part but by the time they were ready for filming, he was committed elsewhere. I like JI but he couldn't se him in this part. Anyway I am not going to say anymore about her. I am not sure that I have fathomed out the meaning of the title either. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 272 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (10:55) * 8 lines (Aishling) I think you are in for a very entertaining meeting later today. I know I will. I called her up Sunday night just after she came in from seeing Mansfield Park and heard lots and lots. Oooohhhh, my phone bill!! :-o I thought it very bad taste to say they wanted Jeremy Irons and that he wanted the part but by the time they were ready for filming, he was committed elsewhere. Extremely bad taste. However, from that, I can only conclude that something happened post-production between the two (Ms. Sagay and CF). I've heard lots of directors, writers, etc., discuss their films and no one talks about having wanted someone else to play a role. It's as if you're apologizing for your film and that, if so & so were in it (as I wanted) it would have been better. Definitely think that Colin's not appearing also ruffled her fine feathers. And thank you in advance, Aishling, for prowling through the dustbins on my behalf. :-D

(copy continued Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 273 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (11:17) * 2 lines (Karen) However, from that, I can only conclude that something happened post-production between the two (Ms. Sagay and CF). So do I (that's what I meant by my 'no love lost' comment, Aishling). As for Sagay's bad taste in mentioning her desired cast, perhaps that was a rookie mistake (I'm going out a limb for her when she doesn't deserve it). Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 274 of 352: Elena (Elena) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (11:20) * 7 lines (Aishling) I thought it very bad taste to say they wanted Jeremy Irons and that he wanted the part but by the time they were ready for filming, he was committed elsewhere Oh, that Ms. Sagay appears to be a real bitch! I�m so glad that Colin didn�t bother to show up. On the other hand, we don�t know what has happened between them and it�s obvious that she is really deeply pissed off for some reason...... I only wonder what could have caused it. This is probably the first time ever that I hear someone being so very displeased with him. Thanks for all your comments Aishling, very interesting! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 275 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (13:18) * 2 lines Aishling and Tineke, what question lead to this unnecessary comment from Ms. Sagay, or did she offer it off her own bat so to speak. There can't have been many Firth fans there on Saturday or else I am sure there would have been a riot, I would have been furious to think that she had something like that in such a public place. Poor Colin and it is such a lovely film, and it is so romantic and the romance so convincing im my opinion anyway, but this has soured it for me, I shall always think that Colin for one reason or another did not like it which makes the film less than convincing. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 276 of 352: bethan (lizbeth54) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (17:46) * 4 lines Ann, I'm rather dubious as to whether CF actually said anything derogatory about SLOW. I think that possibly he was preoccupied and misheard what was said to him. His response could be interpreted to refer to almost anything. SLOW may not be "Citizen Kane", but neither is it "Mad Cows"! As to Ms Sagaye. I'm geniuinely puzzled by her remarks. CF may not be a man without fault, but he seems to have an unblemished record of good working relationships, often leading to continuing friendships. Perhaps she never got over the disappointment of not getting J. Irons as leading man!! Or does she blame CF for the chequered history of SLOW's release. In all honesty, I don't think he could be expected to attend the Q&A, ...he'd had a fairly punishing day with two performances. And he will promote (FP IL, 3DOR) All in all, Ms Sagaye strikes me as highly unprofessional! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 277 of 352: bethan (lizbeth54) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (17:58) * 3 lines Did the director concur with the producer's comments? What was his attitude to CF? And why did the reference to a "good cast" apparently exclude CF? It will be interesting to see if CF does promote SLOW... promotional interview(s) often appear the weekend before release, so there's still time. Actually, Ms Sagay doesn't need CF to publicise SLOW.....as a first-time writer/producer, and a black female, she would attract attention in her own right. The BFI recently produced a report on under-representation of black minorities in film production. the media would be interested in this sort of breakthrough, especially if SLOW gets a mainstream release. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 278 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (18:25) * 2 lines Bethan, I am not quite sure what your first paragraph means, I don't think I said Colin said anything derogatory about SLOPW did I. Aishling did say that someone who had attended 3DOR spoke to him and said they had come to see SLOW and he said "Oh Dear" or something like that, is that what you mean? and was Colin really excluded from the "good cast" comment, this is too much. Even if I were not a Colin Firth fan I would say that he was the best thing in the film and I am sure J.I could not have done bette or W.H. better than Nia Long. Her dialogue certainly left much to be desired not Colin's acting!! Bethan you will love SLOW, I definitely did and despite everything I shall certainly be buying the video. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 279 of 352: Heide (heide) * Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (19:19) * 5 lines Regarding Ms. Sagay, is it possible she did not mean to deride Colin at all but was miffed that her film did not focus on the story she wrote - the relationships among this matriarchal society. By saying she'd rather his scenes were cut, could she mean she didn't want the love angle to be as important as the story of the women? There must have been some reason for this incomprehensible film title. It sounds as if she lost control of her own project - a bitter pill to swallow. Curious...if Nimi is just another conquest, do we see Matthew with other women as well? Excluding his wife though I'd like to know more about that relationship too. Thank you ladies, and Mark, for satisfying our curious natures so well. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 280 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (02:16) * 3 lines I can understand that she may have been a bit miffed at as you say Heide, losing control of her own project but that is no reason to make it sound that if she had gotten Jeremy Irons the film would have been better. (gr?) The camera did focus on Colin quite a lot and he is in most scenes, perhaps that is what she means by "they wanted to make a film of Colin Firth." Heide, we did not see Matthew with other woman and actually I hadn't realised he was a womanizer.

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 281 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (02:57) * 6 lines Although we didn't see Matthew with other women, we had the scurrilous tittle-tattle read out from the papaer by the priest, and we had his agent say to him "I can come down there and sort out the mess - you know I've done that before for you." And he was happy(ish) in his open marriage. I think Jenny implied to Nimi that she was just another girl (but she would). None of that is conclusive, I admit. Is it possible they made Ms Sagay change the ending? Maybe Nimi originally dumped both suitors and went off on her own (secretly laughing). And if Jeremy Irons had played Matthew, it would have been a very different film. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 282 of 352: Elena (Elena) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (06:03) * 4 lines (Mark)And if Jeremy Irons had played Matthew, it would have been a very different film You must be right, Mark. Haven�t seen SLOW but personally I can�t stand Jeremy Irons and the thought of someone wanting him somewhere instead of Colin looks insane and a sacrilege! I�ve felt disgusted with JIat least since The French Lieutenant�s Woman or what was that dumb movie (sorry JI fans, just my humble opinion :-) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 283 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (07:47) * 4 lines I've read through the production notes, which emphasize the collegiality of the entire project: how Sagay basically picked out Schwabach and how they worked closely together. Lots of complimentry things about Colin in the notes, but then again, these were written by PR people, who wouldn't make such a mistake. BTW, Evelyn said the comment was made in response to a question about whether Sagay had fulfilled her vision (or some such baloney). Not getting the cast of her dreams is something she should have ept to herself. I'll let Evelyn elaborate later today when she gets home and online. Nothing in the notes that helps with the title, but I like your take, Mark. Think I'll ask a woman I know, who is married to a Nigerian, about the title. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 284 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (10:12) * 10 lines (Bethan) I'm rather dubious as to whether CF actually said anything derogatory about SLOW. I think that possibly he was preoccupied and misheard what was said to him. I know what you mean, Bethan; I had the same reaction. Re: Sagay's comments--again, it sounds to me that her comment breached the unwritten rules of professional etiquette (never diss your cast, directly or indirectly). She's new at this, right? She answered the question honestly but failed to see the impact. Possibly we're the only ones offended by her remarks, though. (Mark) Maybe Nimi originally dumped both suitors and went off on her own (secretly laughing). Hee hee! Back to the particulars... How do Matthew and Nimi end up *ahem* in bed? What were some of Matthew's funniest lines (in context)? And what about these action sequences? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 285 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (10:27) * 9 lines Eileen How do Matthew and Nimi end up *ahem* in bed? What were some of Matthew's funniest lines (in context)? And what about these action sequences? We've heard previously that in Nimi's culture, first names have a mystical property and their use can be an intimate act. "Like making love?" asks Jenny's gormless lover. "Yes". So when Matthew and Nimi end up alone and indoors, he tells her to say his name (before she called him Mr Field, and he called her Mrs da Silva, as he didn't know her first name), so that once she does, he unwraps the bottom of her outfit... Cut to post-coital scene. Sounds awful written down, but was well acted. The action sequence was the above-mentioned scene where Sammy nearly drowns on the rickety wrecked speedboat which falls into the sea. Colin performs an underwater rescue, kicking in the window to pull Sammy out, and handing up to his anxious mother. Funny lines - I will try to recall. In his first scene, having spotted a drawing of Saracen's transporter on the hiding Sammy's wrist, he bluffs Sammy's friend with a long speech about how Star-rule 37G forbids the revelation of his whereabouts during a mission, blah, blah, or something. It was so unexpected that the audience fell about. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 286 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (10:45) * 1 lines Thanks, Mark! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 287 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (11:05) * 1 lines She didn't seem to like Colin apart from saying that she would have liked J.I. (which was bad enought) was there anything else she said that made you think she didn't like Colin and did theProducer/Director seem to agree with her. Personally I think she is getting above herself,although it was a sweet funny film it wasn't a great screenplay and with JI, it would neither have been sweet or funny. Sorry to any JI fans, just my opinion, and Whitney Houston & Ji. nevah!! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 288 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (13:38) * 5 lines he tells her to say his name (before she called him Mr Field...) This is from another movie. I've heard this used before and I can't remember. It's killing me. Same type situation where the woman had never used his first name before, so he asks her to say his name. (Ann) with JI, it would neither have been sweet or funny. Totally agree and I haven't even seen the movie. ;-D Humbug on Humbert! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 289 of 352: Laura McCarthy (LauraMM) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (14:10) * 1 lines Could I add what I think the title of Secret Laughter of Women means. Although I haven't seen it (obviously, I'm in Boston), but could it be the language between women (i.e. friends?). Say Nimi and her friends and Jenny and her friends?

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 290 of 352: Lizza J (Lizza) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (15:23) * 8 lines Thanks Ann, Tineke, Aishling and Mark once again for enlightening us so thoroughly! I don't think you have left a stone unturned in your quest to bring us every SLOW detail. I think I am really looking forward to seeing it and Ann has particularly convinced me by saying the video is one to keep (and treasure!) when it does eventually appear. Just one question - does he look as thin as he is now in 3DOR, or would you say he has lost weight? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 291 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (15:52) * 54 lines Hi Gang....Mark, Ann and Aishling....you have all given a great synopsis of the film...Here is mine: ~~~~~~ Mark...sorry we missed you on the Friday screening..but Duty called, I see: to write the first SLOW review!!Thanks Mark.We took off to the distribs for press kit. Not too much to add to all my predecessors remarks.. They could have called SLOW "Man Behaving Badly and they wouldn't have been far off the mark....and with a less skilled actor the audience would have loathed him. But even knowing his intentions are disingenuous , the audience is swept along and seduced by Matthew ..just like Nimi. You know the plot and the predictable ending. The dialogue at times is "Screen-Writing 101"stuff..but there are a few clever lines...three!I found the dialogue among the Nigerian women most appealing...esp. the preponderanceof proverbs to make a point. Misan Sagay seems to write women -talk best...along with dialogue between Matthew and Sammy ( she should, she's a pediatrician!)Most unappealing are the lines between Matthew and Nimi....baaaad.Peter Schwabach has seen P&P more times than I have...and stolen all the best Andrew Davies scenes...He should sue. But hey, we're the beneficiaries. As one reviewer says "CF saves the film"...and he has never looked better. So with apologies to Moon: TEN REASONS WHY I LIKED SLOW... 1. ODB has the starring role 2. He speaks French 3. He dances 4. He smolders (with sexual undertones!) 5. He flirts...(with that "on foot" smile) 6. Lots of snogs ...alas no foreplay and no shags:-( 7. Wears clothes to die for 8. Lots of close ups...plainly seen: ears pierced, neck (for those of you who are into mole-counting!)....and we noticed a small flaw under the left nostril!) 9. Good Chemistry with Nia Long. 10. Cute banter with Sammy. ~~~~~~ Womanizer references are several: 1. Jenny confronts Nimi with "there have been several"...and implies that she is another one. 2. The Reverend Folla reading in the newspaper about Matthew Fields; "...had a heart attack while bonking an MP's wife". BTW Matt has a heart attack in this film too...(alas not while bonking anybody.) It takes two viewings to get the gist of this film... ~~~~~ This is a cute film...don't know why a British distributor didn't pick it up sooner.It was available to them. IMO it has a better potential for a US audience than FP. (Somebody tell Phaedra!!)Definitely, the best ODB has looked since P&P. We will have a real party discussing this one. ~~~~ I'll give The Ritzy Report later....enough to say that it was an exasperating experience. Aishling and I reconstructed the Q&A. I spoke to the director on the way out...pertaining to US distribution. I can see that my job isn't over...if she is right. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 292 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (16:23) * 19 lines Thanks for your comments, Evelyn. Now *shining a bright light in your eyes* it's your turn for the interrogation. I found the dialogue among the Nigerian women most appealing...esp. the preponderance of proverbs to make a point Aha! Has this something to do with "secret laughter?" Loved your top ten list! 2. The Reverend Folla reading in the newspaper about Matthew Fields; "...had a heart attack while bonking an MP's wife". BTW Matt has a heart attack in this film too...(alas not while bonking anybody.) Alas, indeed! You've lost me on the heart attack business, though. Others have referred to the newspaper article--a heart attack in one so young would be unusual (now, in someone of Jeremy Iron's age...), so it was likely a ruse--but what do you mean about Matt having a heart attack in the film? IMO it has a better potential for a US audience than FP. (Somebody tell Phaedra!!) You're right. Poor Phaedra. FP did so poorly in NY it seems to have vanished. I spoke to the director on the way out...pertaining to US distribution. I can see that my job isn't over...if she is right. Do tell! Do tell! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 293 of 352: Moon Dreams (Moon) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (16:40) * 9 lines Welcome back, Evelyn! Loved the top 10! It is definitely one to swoon over. ;-D Did anyone point out the faux-pas to Sagay? I would have! What does the 3DOR poster look like? Have we seen the pix? Tell us all about your encounter with Colin. Did you ask about Flashman, or any future project? Do you have a pix of your lovely group? Eileen, I believe Matt was recuperating from his heart attack in the south of France. Now we know when it happened. Age is not neccesarily a factor for one to have a heart attack.

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 294 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (16:49) * 15 lines Great comments, Evelyn! and we noticed a small flaw under the left nostril!) Definitely a point we need to discuss! IMO it has a better potential for a US audience than FP. (Somebody tell Phaedra!!) Oh no!!!! It should go to somebody somewhat competent. These people don't have enough clout to get their coffee refilled at the nearest Denny's let alone find an "avelilable" [sic] screen in the entire US! I see 10 excellent reasons to see this film, when only one would have sufficed and these are double-barrelled reasons, counting two apiece: 4. He smolders (with sexual undertones!) 5. He flirts...(with that "on foot" smile) *be still my heart* (Eileen) a heart attack in one so young would be unusual (now, in someone of Jeremy Iron's age...) You are baaaaadddd! Of course, a heart attack in one so young is usually massive and fatal. But with this second one, he isn't even taken to the hospital, but to Nimi's house or her mother's house. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 295 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (16:52) * 1 lines Hopefully, you will see the poster tomorrow. Right now it is masking taped to my wall where I photographed it this morning. Will pick up the prints tomorrow for scanning. It is an *ooohhhh yeahhhh* Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 296 of 352: Moon Dreams (Moon) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (16:59) * 2 lines It is an *ooohhhh yeahhhh* Go ahead and tease us, we tremble with anticipation. ;-) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 297 of 352: Heide (heide) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (19:08) * 7 lines Welcome back, Evelyn. XOXOXOX We missed you! Before I get maudlin, back to the film... What is with this heart attack business, we all want to know. He's suffered two already at his age? This film may not be a good candidate for "will they live happily ever after." Looking forward to my new SLOW wallpaper. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 298 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (20:55) * 18 lines (Eileen)but what do you mean about Matt having a heart attack in the film? Just what I said....you see him slumped over in the car...with the people carrying him out...Then he's taken to Nimi's house!!! "The doctor said he would release him.. when we found his relatives"...then...."We found your wife" says Nimi. You see what I mean about the riveting dialogue. ~~~~ (Moon)Did anyone point out the faux-pas to Sagay? I would have! What does the 3DOR poster look like? Have we seen the pix? Tell us all about your encounter with Colin. Did you ask about Flashman, or any future project? Do you have a pix of your lovely group? Moon...I posted the encounter with Colin on 123. The 3 DOR poster is the same as the pic on the brochure. I did not ask any questions. I treat this encounter as a social one ...not an interrogation. I have no agenda when I go ....I never plan to ask him any questions. I did not ask him for an autograph ( I don't have one) and I did not take a picture.In January, I would like to take a pic of Karen and him ...I feel the poor girl was cheated in March.Like I said.. I go to relish the moment. I did not confront Ms. Sagay with any derogotory comments ...that would have been rude. I did ask her privately about th US distribution....I will give you that account later. The film ended about 11:20...the tubes stop running at midnight...and Brixton was to hell 'n gone. There were no tubes from Brixton and I was not sure we could get a taxi to Victoria to make the midnight deadline. Susan....you were our inspiration...if Susan did it alone...I felt the three of us could do it together. So we were anxious to get out...yet we wanted to stay til the end of the Q&A. We were fighting the clock. The SLOW poster is absolutely gorgeous...as is the film. This movie is a survivor...I'm convinced it will be shown in the US. A natural for Lifetime channel on cable. Definitely a "chick-flick", a date movie.A heart-stopper for sure. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 299 of 352: Moon Dreams (Moon) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (21:50) * 12 lines I did not confront Ms. Sagay with any derogotory comments ...that would have been rude. Evelyn, you misunderstood me. Ms. Sagay should have been checked on her comments but there is no need to be derogatory or rude in doing so. I did not ask any questions. I treat this encounter as a social one ...not an interrogation. I have no agenda when I go. Asking a question about a future project does not make for an interrogation and certainly in no way could he have thought you to have an agenda by asking a question. We are interrogating you with all our questions, as we do have the tendency to assail the lucky ones who chat with OVDB. I hope you do get a chance to take his picture with Karen, she deserves it! How was Summerfolk? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 300 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (22:24) * 5 lines I feel the poor girl was cheated Don't mind me. Just sitting here wallowing in self-pity. ;-D BTW, Moon, I must have misread your comment about the poster. The 3DOR one is the same that's been posted at the theater websites, like Albemarle's. But the SLOW one is a variation of the Nimi artwork that HandMade had used. Poor Ms. Sagay, they've added Colin Firth to the poster. *boo hoo* Now people might think it's a movie about Colin Firth! ;-D

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 301 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (07:43) * 14 lines (Moon) Age is not neccesarily a factor for one to have a heart attack. It most certainly is. (Karen) You are baaaaadddd! Most of the time, yes, but I was speaking medically here. And humbug, Humbert, indeed! he isn't even taken to the hospital, but to Nimi's house or her mother's house. Guess he had an American HMO. (Evelyn) you see him slumped over in the car...with the people carrying him out...Then he's taken to Nimi's house!!! Thanks for the clarification, Ev. The place to go after a heart attack (or as Mari calls it, a My-oh-Colin-al Infarction) or even an angina episode is not someone's house. Matthew probably just had gas :-D Harumph. If Sagay is a pediatrician, she ought to know this. Bad story line. Veddy veddy bad. If I ever come face-to-face with ODB, I'd be lucky to get an intelligible word out of my mouth. You knew what was appropriate for the time and place, Evelyn. But it doesn't stop the rest of us from wanting to ask by proxy! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 303 of 352: Elena (Elena) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (09:47) * 3 lines (Evelyn)I treat this encounter as a social one That�s what makes that encounter so great, your instincts work perfectly, Evelyn! He came to you to say he was glad to see you there, not to answer a flow of curious fan questions. If you had started to question him he wouldn�t come to you deliberately again. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 304 of 352: Mari (mari) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (10:05) * 11 lines he isn't even taken to the hospital, but to Nimi's house or her mother's house. (Eileen) Guess he had an American HMO. ROTF! If you're right, Eileen, one can only hope that Dr. Nimi, the Primary Care Physician, had a fresh supply of leeches on hand!;-) Note to self: 1. Swallow coffee before reading posts. 2. Purchase plastic slipcover for monitor if neglect to do # 1. Evelyn, you are amazing. As I told Karen, most of us bring home red double-decker bus magnets; leave it to you to haul a Colincopia of Firthabilia! Am greatly enjoying your posts. Would love to hear more about the *exact* moment that you realized he recognized you and was coming over. I have to confess: in March I was one of those curious fan types who asked him questions, just work-related stuff, you know, like "boxers or briefs?";-) Mari Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 305 of 352: Moon Dreams (Moon) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (10:18) * 6 lines (Mari), I have to confess: in March I was one of those curious fan types who asked him questions, just work-related stuff, you know, like "boxers or briefs?";-) Mari you should know better than to make such a confession here. We need all the details before we can absolve you. :-) Please continue... Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 306 of 352: SusanMC (SusanMC) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (10:42) * 16 lines (Evelyn) Peter Schwabach has seen P&P more times than I have...and stolen all the best Andrew Davies scenes. Could you elaborate? Was there a lot of sparring-type situations between Matt and Nimi? In January, I would like to take a pic of Karen and him. Most definitely! Susan....you were our inspiration...if Susan did it alone...I felt the three of us could do it together. You're sweet to say this, but I shouldn't be anyone's inspiration. If I was any kind of a competent driver my trip would have been a piece of cake. Guess he had an American HMO. LOL, Eileen! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 307 of 352: Xian (Xian) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (12:40) * 9 lines (Evelyn)I treat this encounter as a social one (Elena) That�s what makes that encounter so great, your instincts work perfectly, Evelyn! He came to you to say he was glad to see you there, not to answer a flow of curious fan questions. If you had started to question him he wouldn�t come to you deliberately again. But he might expect Evelyn to ask him some questions since he knew she was not one of those stalkers (you know what I mean, don't you?) then Colin could be disappointed for not having an exciting conversation with one of his finest fans ;-) I do wish Evelyn would ask him to get onto cf.com for his film discussion (that may get him interested). Thanks to all who posted the latest 3DOR and SLOW reviews. I'm having a great time to absorb them. Now go back to my little corner, see ya!

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 308 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (12:57) * 13 lines (Mari)I have to confess: in March I was one of those curious fan types who asked him questions, justwork-related stuff, you know, like "boxers or briefs?";-) Mari, you're the greatest....and coming from you, I am sure he would laugh and not be offended. I guess, I just don't care that much....I am happy to see him on stage anytime, anywhere. Anyway, asking questions when I don't know anyone personally is just not me...sorry. ~~~~~~~ (Evelyn) Peter Schwabach has seen P&P more times than I have...and stolen all the best Andrew Davies scenes. (Susan)Could you elaborate? Was there a lot of sparring-type situations between Matt and Nimi? P&P cloned scenes 1. He looks out the window (wearing a ghastly dressing gown)at Nimi while she is sketching his garden. (She is a landscape architect). 2. He rescues Sammy in a boating accident ...swims in a tank...comes out with dripping wet shirt.. 3. Lots of smoldering looks. I have notes someplace...Springfolks who attended please add to this list. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 309 of 352: Lizza J (Lizza) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (16:07) * 7 lines OOOHHH!!! What glimpses of ODB to whet the appetite! Evelyn, great top 10 and Karen we await your skilled photography with keen anticipation. I can see I will have to focus on his nose at my next 3DOR visit! I have lapped up every detail, thank you. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 310 of 352: Lizza J (Lizza) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (16:08) * 3 lines P.S Is the dripping wet shirt white as in Pemberly white? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 311 of 352: Ann W (amw) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (16:17) * 1 lines Blue, I think Lizza! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 312 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (18:20) * 9 lines (Evelyn) 1. He looks out the window (wearing a ghastly dressing gown)at Nimi while she is sketching his garden. Wot?! She wasn't frolicking with a dog? ;-D Does Colin do his trademark (Andrew Davies) snuff out a candle with bare fingers? (Lizza) we await your skilled photography I guess I must be one of those who cuts off heads. ;-D Sorry, the others will have to wait. I've had a hard day picking up pictures, taking another roll (hanging the poster on outside walls, garage doors, etc.), having that developed, trying to figure out if any were good, picking up the slides from another place, then scanning the lot of them. 'Fraid I don't even want to look at them right now....at least until tomorrow. BTW, the kid at the photoshop thought the closeup one of Matt and Nimi in bed (which you've already seen) was "really neat." ;-D Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 313 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (19:57) * 43 lines THE RITZY REPORT After the screening there were some Q&A's for about 25 minutes with Misan Sagay, the writer/producer and director Peter Schwabach.the questions came from members of the audience...one we felt was planted.The audience was not as enthusiastic as at the Friday screening. That might have had something to do with the fact that it was a real marathon to get to the Ritzy since the tubes had quit running. The Ritzy BTW is a misnomer...the place is a dive.The cinema had about ten rows..with seats that defied viewi g the film. Brixton BTW is OK....we never felt threatened.Busy High Street. (I am paraphrasing the following....would like Tineke and Aishling to comment/correct) Q. Did you feel you accomplished your mission in making this film? Misan: Well, yes and no.I wanted to make a film about Nigerian women for women...but the financiers[ Handmade] wanted a film about Colin Firth.They actually wanted me to cut out the part with the women....then you just would have had CF walking around. [Much laughter] She then spoke at length about the trials of getting financing.I got the idea that they were grateful that the LFF had given them a slot. Someone asked if the film would be shown in the UK and she said yes from Nov. 26 Optimum would distribu e it. The US distribution rights were still in the hands of the bank. [That got a big WOT? from me] BBC wanted Whitney Houston and only wanted a budget of 400,000 UKP."Why that's WH's haridresser money!!" They also wanted Jeremy Irons but when the production was delayed, "he couldn't fit the dates into his schedule."[This lady was so inarticulate].So we got Colin Firth.Three weeks into production, Handmade went bankrupt and I had to pay the bills on my credit card. At times I hid among the cast when the bill collectors came. Finally I went to the Art Council for money to pay the creditors. Q. Why did you make an English film in the south of France. PS said because it is a picturesque spot and there is a colony of expats [Brits] there and a Nigerian community. Q. What was you background ? Misan said she was a pediatrician and was used to having children on her knee giving them shots.[No kidding she said this].PS spoke about his educational credentials. Q. Did you shoot more than one ending for this film? Much laughter from director...."that only happens on 30 million UKP films." On the way out I asked her if I heard her correctly whenshe said the US distribution was still in the hands of the bank and she said "Yes, but we're trying to talk them out of it". ~~~~~ Hey kids...that's all I know.

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 314 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (20:16) * 4 lines I want to add that the Nigerian native dresses are absolutely exquisite. Nia Long looks particularly beautiful when she wears them...she has a dazzling smile and a impish, ironic intelligence about her.Was perfect for the part as was the little boy [actually I preferred him to Fraser in MLSF].The bi-racial topic was never an issue..more cross-cultural. [Could have been Anglo-Italian!]The director said it was a film about an individual vs. the community. Also forgot to add that Misan wanted African music and the financiers insisted on a mainstream soundtrack.They do play African music when the women dance at Sammy's Birthday party.Nimi is very a graceful dancer and Matthew an appreciative audience!!( With that "on foot" smirk) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 315 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (22:24) * 9 lines She then spoke at length about the trials of getting financing. Excuuuuuuuuuuuz me???? From the Production Notes and I quote: The filmmakers were fortunate to be offered financing very early on. The script was picked up first by British Screen and then the European Script Fund who funded the first two drafts. "I'm afraid I don't have one of those wonderful epic stories about how it took 20 years to get the script funded," states Misan. Peter concurs: "In terms of attracting money it wasn't an uphill struggle because the material was so good. British Screen having seen Attenborough put the first money into the script followed by the European Script Fund. HandMade Films were next to come on board with Gareth Jones as Executive Producer. The relationship with HandMade Films was a happy one, they were very committed and a real pleasure to work with."[...] The film wrapped after a seven week shoot. Peter Schwabach was never really daunted by the task of directing his first feature: "It was project I'd worked on for a couple of years already and I'd been intimately involved with writing the script. I also spent a lot of time casting it, we flew to Lagos to get Nene, and the film was of a sufficient budget that I was able to hand-pick the people I wanted. In that sense the film wasn't compromised in the way that when you make a short you have to get people for free." So which is it? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 316 of 352: aishling (aishling) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (04:30) * 1 lines Well, Evelyn's report is accurate. Misan did go on at length about the financing (or lack of it). She did acutally say she was very grateful to the LFF for screeening the film. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 317 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (04:48) * 8 lines I guess there's no sympathy available for producers who get the money easily - better to overspend, dodge creditors and tell stories about how harrowing it's all been. The heart attack - I assumed it was all a ruse to get into Nimi's house; I'm sure Nimi is told "he's lying on the couch, and they can't find anything wrong with him at all". I don't know anything about him recovering from another h.a. Otherwise they have a clouded happy ever after together - she's already lost one husband. Eileen asked for the funny lines a while ago; I'm having trouble remembering them all but when CF has caused consternation at the party and Sammy explains: "You must never touch food with your left hand; it's dirty - you wipe your bottom with it", he replies "Not necessarily" - that got a big laugh. (probably British toilet humour) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 318 of 352: Moon Dreams (Moon) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (07:13) * 5 lines Very funny, Mark. The director said it was a film about an individual vs. the community. Hey, this is Donovan Quick! Thank you, Evelyn for the report. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 319 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (08:32) * 7 lines (Mark) The heart attack - I assumed it was all a ruse to get into Nimi's house; I'm sure Nimi is told "he's lying on the couch, and they can't find anything wrong with him at all". I don't know anything about him recovering from another h.a. The first one, incurred while--how was it put?--bonking a politician's wife sounded like a ruse to me (no doubt influenced by all those Flashman books I've read!). A repeat of the same ruse to get into Nimi's house makes sense. Thanks for trying to remember the funny lines! (Elena) That�s what makes that encounter so great, your instincts work perfectly, Evelyn! He came to you to say he was glad to see you there, not to answer a flow of curious fan questions. If you had started to question him he wouldn�t come to you deliberately again. Very well said, Elena. Evelyn, you haven't been christened 'Dame Evelyn' for nothin'! Thanks for the Q&A summation. IMO the production notes have been 'spun' and Sagay spoke the truth during the Q&A--a little too bluntly when it came to "settling" for CF instead of JI. We know HandMade went bankrupt, that's for sure! Evelyn, what do you think about your friends at the bank pursuing US distribution? Did the UK release breathe new life into the project?

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 321 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (09:08) * 10 lines (Mark) she's already lost one husband Really? Did they ever say that Nimi had been married? What happened to the other husband? I got the impression that Sammy was produced out of wedlock. The notes mention several times that Nimi's mother's greatest desire is for Nimi to wear a "married woman's head-tie" for her "chance of respectability." A widow is very respectable in most cultures. Don't know if Nimi had been married before and her husband just left her or divorced her...and what that would say about her status in the community. A ha!! Found this: "There are few stains that a married woman's head-tie cannot disguise .." [synopsis lead in] We are introduced to Nimi da Silva at the Church of the Anglican Ascension. Women in bright traditional African dress flutter around like birds of paradise discussing the latest gossip as tehy stand in pecking order of head-ties. Towards the front, under the pulpit are the noble head-ties, silken and luxurious; at the back, simple cotton prints and more animated converesation. Nimi enters the church with her seven year old son Sammy and heads towards the back, nervously adjusting her humble scarf - the clear sign of her shameful unmarried status. (Eileen) IMO the production notes have been 'spun' and Sagay spoke the truth during the Q&A I agree that the production notes have been spun, but why go to such lengths to fabricate a story about the ready availability of financing. To place blame for the delayed release on the film to HandMade's bankruptcy as opposed to the film's brilliance? ;-D Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 322 of 352: MarkG (MarkG) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (09:52) * 7 lines The film makes it quite clear that Nimi's first husband, Sammy's father, drowned (no explanation of how or why, but I guess it adds extra poignancy to Sammy's subsequent brush with death). I was taking it as a charming point in MF's favour that he didn't immediately ask about Sammy's father, or indeed seem to be bothered. The information was given well into the movie (I think in response to a question from the priest or his parents). I now think it may have been because someone other than the original writer demanded that Nimi have a *decent* explanation of her situation. The implication was that the culture was even more oppressive because despite her widowhood, the Nigerian women needed to shame Nimi into re-marrying. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 323 of 352: SusanMC (SusanMC) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (09:55) * 7 lines Thanks for the Q&A, Evelyn. Which was the question you feel was planted? I asked her if I heard her correctly when she said the US distribution was still in the hands of the bank and she said Yes, but we're trying to talk them out of it.. Am I confused, or is she saying that she hopes the film *won't* be distributed in the U.S.? This woman really sounds like a piece of work. No wonder Colin seems to want to wash his hands of the whole thing. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 324 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (10:35) * 4 lines (Karen) but why go to such lengths to fabricate a story about the ready availability of financing. To place blame for the delayed release on the film to HandMade's bankruptcy as opposed to the film's brilliance? ;-D Tee hee! Good point. Since posting my last I thought of another question, then promply forgot it. Thankfully Susan hasthought of it also: Which was the question you feel was planted? Was it the one about Sagay's vision for the film? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 325 of 352: Cathey (catheyp) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (15:04) * 6 lines (Karen) I've heard this used before and I can't remember. It's killing me. Same type situation where the woman had never used his first name before, so he asks her to say his name. Don't know if this is the one you were thinking of Karen, but I saw it in a BBC version of Emma. Mr Knightly asked Emma to call him "George" (I think that was his name; I always think of him as Mr Knightly). I'm going to see MLSF again on Sunday (another 250km trek). My Mum may come with me. I've convinced her she will like the film even though she doesn't have a firthsession. Cathey Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 326 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (16:03) * 1 lines Actually, the Timothy Dalton "Jane Eyre" keeps surfacing, but I think it's something a bit more recent. Don't think it was the BBC's Emma. I've tried to forget that one. ;-D Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 327 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (17:25) * 8 lines IMO the production notes have been 'spun' and Sagay spoke the truth during the Q&A Karen, did you say that the production notes were probably written by Handmade Films....probably before they went bankrupt. It was sudden...I was in contact with them in those days...and those girls did not know they were going to be out of a job. ~~~~~ I understood that Nimi was an unwed mother... (Big Spoiler!)At the beginning Matthew tells her their relationship would have limitations (he's married!). She then decides to marry Rev. Folla in order to give Sammy a name . At the end Matthew says: "Field is a name too". And they embrace among the tomatoes. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 328 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (17:29) * 2 lines Re; US distrib... According to Misan, the bank still has the rights of distribution in the US.. and she is trying to get it so it can be shown in the US.It seems convoluted to me...but next week I plan to call the bank for verification

darn! (copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 329 of 352: bethan (lizbeth54) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (17:39) * 5 lines Aaaah! My kind of film! I'll keep my eyes wide open for some promo in the press this weekend. SLOW doesn't have to be outstanding to attract some attention. There's enough that's "different" about it...the setting, the fact that the director is a woman and Nigerian (I presume), the theme, the culture clash, and the fact that there are two very photogenic leads. It opens the same week as the latest James Bond, so I'm really hoping to see some publicity! I don't think Handmade went bankrupt during the filming...well afterwards, surely. And I don't think the BBC would budget only �400,00 for a full-length film! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 330 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (21:10) * 5 lines (Bethan)I don't think Handmade went bankrupt during the filming...well afterwards, surely. And I don't think the BBC would budget only �400,00 for a full-length film! That's what Misan said....elaborated on it too. Said the funding was cut three weeks into production. The Art Council finally gave her money to pay the bills. But they had no money for post-production..which is why it went on for a year...! Let me assure you..according to her it was a real Pity Party. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 331 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (22:30) * 15 lines (Evelyn) did you say that the production notes were probably written by Handmade Films...probably before they went bankrupt Oh, definitely, they were done by HandMade...before. In Colin's bio, it says: "and most recently, 1000 Acres (Jocelyn Moorhouse) and World of Moss (Hugh Hudson)." (Mark) The film makes it quite clear that Nimi's first husband, Sammy's father, drowned (Evelyn) I understood that Nimi was an unwed mother... Sammy's father could have drowned, but he may not have been Nimi's husband. The significance of the head-tie (rank) appears integral to the story. (Evelyn) the bank still has the rights of distribution in the US. The only thing I can make of this is that Optimum didn't have enough $$$ to buy the film outright from the bank. It could only afford distribution rights within the UK. So the bank or its sales agent may be continuing to parcel it out. Plausible. (Bethan) And I don't think the BBC would budget only �400,00 for a full-length film! Where did BBC come from? It isn't mentioned anywhere in the credits or production history. (Bethan) It opens the same week as the latest James Bond Would be a tough choice for me! ;-D so I'm shallow ;-p Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 332 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (08:36) * 8 lines (Bethan) And I don't think the BBC would budget only �400,000 for a full-length film! (Karen)Where did BBC come from? It isn't mentioned anywhere in the credits or production history. I think BBC must be the same as The Art Council funding. She did mention BBC...and if I remember correctly at the beginning it says: "Paragon Films, Handmade Films and BBC". Bethan, 400,000UKP would not have been the whole budget for this film...their was other funding. ~~~~~~~ Hey....Karen....you changed Mathew's shoes!!!! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 333 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (09:12) * 3 lines Love the 'shoes among the tomatoes' pic on the main page. But will you be revealing the rest of his body? Yikes, we're sooo demanding! Let me get this straight, Evelyn. In your opinion, was Sagay's sad tale of bankruptcy, lack of funds, hiding among the actors to escape bill collectors, etc. (BTW, were violins playing in the background?) an exaggeration of the truth? Or did HandMade go bankrupt much later on in the process? Thanks. Also, which question in the Q&A do you and Aishling feel was a plant? I promise to turn off the bright light that's shining in your eyes very soon :-) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 334 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (11:03) * 3 lines Eileen, am working on it now. ;-D OK, you people who saw SLOW, why didn't you say that Christopher Bowen plays Rupert, who I assume is Jenny's lover? Fond memories of Cold Comfort Farm (when I wasn't admiring Rufus)! ;-D Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 335 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (11:19) * 8 lines (Karen)OK, you people who saw SLOW, why didn't you say that Christopher Bowen plays Rupert, Who cares about CB??Anyway that was one anemic performance...:-) ~~~~~ No Eileen..I don't think Misan was exaggerating....as improbable as it might seem. She had the director standing next to her and I doubt she would have blatantly lied.If she said Handmade went bankrupt three weeks into production and Peter Schwabach agrees...who are we to say they didn't. There was a lot going on at that time. You see, Paragon Entertainment Corp. a Canadian Company and parent company of Handmade went bankrupt.In the process they tried to see the distribution rights to Handmade's stable f 22 films. When that didn't happen...the bank took over the assets. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 336 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (13:51) * 1 lines Thanks, Ev. I was aware of the basic chain of events but not the timing.

(copy continued) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 338 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (14:51) * 5 lines So much for putting a link up??? Just go to my Drool Bucket. Lots of new stuff for SLOW ;-D Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 339 of 352: bethan (lizbeth54) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (18:54) * 1 lines Thank you Karen! And Evelyn! First-rate stuff. Fascinating production notes, and the synopsis is excellent. I like Nia's comments about Colin, oh, and the fact that he can relate to the commitment-phobic Matthew, and the moment of really falling for someone (I paraphrase!) Looking forward to seeing this! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 341 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (21:14) * 3 lines Oops I see the mistake. BTW, you can always get there from the 3Deers main page. http://www.spring.net/~KarenR/mdbro/main.html Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 342 of 352: bethan (lizbeth54) * Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (05:10) * 3 lines SLOW...don't know if this is significant, but the Times Metro lists as its "coming next week" three films, the Bond movie, "The Astronaut's Wife" (Johnny Depp) and SLOW. Given that about ten films seem to open each week and several suffer the indignity of being totally ignored, this is recognition of a kind. I also noticed that in our region, "Onegin" is playing in very few theatres...about par with "TheWinslow Boy" when it was first released. Suprises me in view of the blanket promotion it received. BTW, Colin may find that courtesy of the new Bridget Jones and the ES awards (hopefully!), SLOW may get some indirect publicity! Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 343 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (08:37) * 3 lines Any sighting is significant. :-D Think I was inspired by the television show I taped for Evelyn about the WWII code breaking. There is another interpretation for Colin's remarks in the Donmar lobby about SLOW. He said something to the effect of "sorry it didn't work out." In addition to (1) sorry you missed it and (2) sorry it turned out so bad, there is also the possibility that he's expressing regret that it took so long to come out. I'll know more when I find my codebooks. ;-D Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 344 of 352: Heide (heide) * Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (11:10) * 5 lines That's a beautiful page, Karen. The colors are brilliant and the photos - argh, I wanna see this film. I'm greedy. In addition to (1) sorry you missed it and (2)sorry it turned out so bad, there is also the possibility that he's expressing regret that it took so long to come out. Sounds like Moon's cue for the other seven reasons to make her Top Ten list. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 345 of 352: Mari (mari) * Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (11:46) * 8 lines Super job on the SLOW page, Karen! Thanks to you and Evelyn for these goodies. Nice to see that Nia Long has joined the ever-growing list of Colin's Leading Ladies Who Love him. But what's with the tomato pic? Looks rather . . .seedy.;-) Sigh. Remember when guys brought you roses? ;-) (Karen) There is another interpretation for Colin's remarks in the Donmar lobby about SLOW. He said something to the effect of "sorry it didn't work out." Maybe he really said, "sorry *I* didn't work out." Nimi might have immediately gone for a guy with pecs! ;-D Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 346 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (11:56) * 4 lines Thanks to you and Evelyn for these goodies. Hey..not me....all I did was carry the stuff home. Aishling schlepped that poster all over London(found the tube) and Tineke found the Optimum cubby-hole on Charring Cross Rd. A real Spring-team effort. ~~~~~~ BTW anybody planning to bring home a 3 DOR poster, you can purchase tubes at a post office...but the closest ones to the Donmar is on Trafalgar Sq. US poster shops have shoulder strap carriers. They are fiendish to carry through Heathrow. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 347 of 352: Arami (Arami) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (17:23) * 5 lines LOL, Mari! * Evelyn, next time remember to bring a piece of string and some sticky tape...;-) * Btw, isn't it time to open a new SLOW board? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 348 of 352: Heide (heide) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (18:14) * 2 lines Btw, isn't it time to open a new SLOW board? Sure, it's only fair. When does the film open for general release and will you UK ladies be ableto see it so we get some posts? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 349 of 352: KJArt (KJArt) * Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (20:38) * 2 lines May I suggest that we're doing just fine with this one, so far? Why not have a general "Current Film Spoilers" Topic so you won't have to keep creating new ones ... remember, next year is going to be a busy year. We shouldn't be creating a new topic every other week ...Activity on any given "Spoilers" Topic is usually pretty short-lived. They rarely fill up with very many responses and having a long list of numbered topics can be v. confusing. [This coming from the Muddle Champion of all Time!!] :-) Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 350 of 352: Eileen (EileenG) * Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (11:07) * 5 lines Karen's got this review on her SLOW page (the link is posted at 123) "...Firth seems uneasy throughout, particularly when his catty British wife, played by Caroline Goodall, comes calling. /.../ This collision of cultures tale chugs along quite pleasantly but ends up going nowhere, despite the lively acting of the almost uniformly excellent Nigerian cast members. /.../ Bogged down in local colour the British contingent fail to be sufficiently interesting and thus the love story can have no real heart." A bit biased, don't you think? Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 351 of 352: Evelyn (lafn) * Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (11:29) * 10 lines ...Firth seems uneasy throughout, particularly when his catty British wife, played by Caroline Goodall, comes calling. /.../ Of course he's uneasy...the guy is in love with Nimi and is getting ready to dump Jenny. The Nigerian cast??? Only one is from Nigeria. The others are from UK. Sammy comes from Surrey!!Rev. Folla has played with the RSC!! ....love story can have no real heart. Should read..."The love story has no real plot...." But it is an OK film. I would see it again. Topic 121 of 126 [drool]: My Life So Far SPOILERS!!! Response 352 of 352: Karen (KarenR) * Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (22:46) * 3 lines Evelyn's right. The only Nigerian is the actress who plays Nimi's mother. Her bio was pretty interesting. She has mounted a Nigerian production of "An Ideal Husband." I get the feeling that people are disappointed because they were expecting something different. As if using a Nigerian-English premise would somehow lift it out of being a usual and customary romantic comedy. But aren't many rom-coms about opposites attracting? ask him to get onto cf.com for his film discussion (that may get him interested).

Oops, missed this last one. Sorry, Karen Evelyn's right. The only Nigerian is the actress who plays Nimi's mother. Her bio was pretty interesting. She has mounted a Nigerian production of "An Ideal Husband." I get the feeling that people are disappointed because they were expecting something different. As if using a Nigerian-English premise would somehow lift it out of being a usual and customary romantic comedy. But aren't many rom-coms about opposites attracting?

Great effort to get this topic started & posted up, Heide! My sincere apologies for just blithely using 121 originally.

Heavens no, Mark using 121 was entirely appropriate! With so many new CF projects showing up in 2000, now is the time to do away with one topic per production lest we overtax the board. It's been behaving so well lately, I don't want this sudden wealth to blow it up. ;-) BTW, it was entertaining to re-read all that has been posted on SLOW. We tackled this project with our usual thoroughness and still more to come I trust.

Great idea Heide, thanks for doing this, it makes great reading , always good to give such an excellent review another airing Mark!! As it looks like I may have to wait until at least December to see SLOW then this topic is a great taster! Or should that be teaser?

Well...how to begin... I was supposed to see this yesterday with my DH but he had a work crisis (the story of out life) and so I went alone today to the 1.35 pm performance. There were about 25 people there, all but about 2 were women. I am actually glad that the DH wasn't with me. For I have to say that Anne Billson was not all wrong. IMHO, the film has a weak script, terrible editing and except for CF, NL and CG, very feeble acting. The whole thing was very amateurish. The editing was so jagged that it almost gave me a headache. In one example, Caroline Goodhall is with Matthew one minute and then, "flash", she is in Nimi's living room. It must have been all the work of Saracen. I am also with those critics who commented on the lack of explanation for this community in the South of France. What were they doing there? It is obvious that their culture was important to the plot but it is never explaned or examined. Also Matthew and his wife seemed so fond of each other and were obviously such friends that Mattew's rejection of his wife seemed cruel.

Onto another post. AOL problems again but only 2 more weeks of the free trial and then I'll try another! Colin is wonderful, he looks gorgeous, those dimples! But I just felt embarrassment that such a professional actor could be in this mish mash. Sorry to be so down on this. Do go and see it. If you love CF, you will come out of the cinema, as I did, with a huge smile on your face. But if you are not a CF fanatic, I have to say this is one to miss.

You'll buy the video though, won't you Allison. Colin's looks out of 10 - off the scale!!! definitely one to drool over and I am sure this isn't the film Colin signed up for, some much editing. He certainly doesn't have much luck in this respect what with MLSF, ATA and now SLOW.

(Unfortunately all these films are with him as the romantic lead, enough to put him of for ever, unfortunately)

(Allison) Sorry to be so down on this. Don't be! IMHO anyone who expected this movie to be immune to bad reviews (OK, the 'violent' ones sounded a bit over the top) was being a little unrealistic. There was a reason this film wasn't picked up for distribution and came *this close* to remaining in the bank vault forever. It must have been all the work of Saracen. Hee hee! Good explanation.

Ann, I agree that his looks are to die for. I came out into Leicester square at 3.30pm. It was starting to get dark (euchh) and it was raining but I had such difficulty not grinning from ear to ear all the way home. Think I might have to watch the video. Very high rewind factor here!

...but you wouldn't consider it one of the year's worse (Ann Billson), would you? I think we all would agree that, if it were not for Colin, we probably wouldn't waste our time with this film. If had even *some* boxoffice potential, it would have sold here...at least to cable!! Now onto more substantive concerns... I am also with those critics who commented on the lack of explanation for this community in the South of France. What were they doing there? Why did you feel this needed to be explained? There are ex-pat communities of all nationalities all over the world. People leave their native lands for many reasons and tend to congregate with others from their same land. Happens everywhere. The fact that there is a Nigerian community in the s. of France wouldn't seem particularly unusual. There is probably one here in Chicago. Have been in many cabs here driven by Nigerians. :-)

The south of France seems odd. They were an anglophone community and also an anglican one. Why in France? If they were Catholic and French speaking it wuld make sense. We have an enormous community in London, obviously and I can understand there bieng groups in the States, same language etc. But France? Pourquoi?

The south of France seems odd. They were an anglophone community and also an anglican one. Why in France? If they were Catholic and French speaking it wuld make sense. We have an enormous community in London, obviously and I can understand there being groups in the States, same language etc. But France? Pourquoi?

Sorry for typos and repetition!

but you wouldn't consider it one of the year's worse (Ann Billson), would you? It's right up there with the Blair Witch Project, she said provocatively!

It's right up there with the Blair Witch Project, she said provocatively! Oh nooooooooooo!! It can't be THAT bad! I could barely keep my eyes open during TBW, because it was soooo booring. Can't say the same about SLOW. Way too much eye candy. BTW, did you know that TBW got its worse response demographically from *women* in *our* age group. In other words, it didn't appeal to "thinking persons" ;-D

Duuhhh????

(Allison)But I just felt embarrassment that such a professional actor could be in this mish mash. Know what you mean..., I felt the same way about FP.....:-D However, we can say all want about editing etc...but surely he must have read the script and realized that the whole thing was made up of cliches. Unless, of course, they wrote the script as they went along and changed it from the original.He has had enough experience reading scripts by now to analyze which one sounds amateurish. I liked my original assessment that he did it for altruistic reasons (help out a Nigerian author). But after the Q&A period at the Ritzy , that theory went out the window. One wonders what his prioities are in choosing a project...the character was interesting...but the "script... Louisa". ~~~~ No one contests that he looks gorgeous, however.

Duuhhh???? And this relates to what specifically in my last comment? ;-D

In other words, it didn't appeal to "thinking persons" ;-D So, there's hope for my eldest son. He hated it!

I didn't think it possible for anyone under 30 to "hate it." I saw it early on, when it was only playing in 13 cinemas in the US, a full house, much laughter and not all "with" it. No screams of horror, no vomiting. Afterward, all I heard was "hey, man, that was the 'coolest' 'scariest' flick ever." Think it was handed out on little slips of paper to memorize. I was too sleepy and glad to be leaving.

but surely he must have read the script and realized that the whole thing was made up of cliches. Well, he was (technically speaking!) still in his honeymoon period when he filmed it! Maybe he was looking through life with rose-tinted glasses at the time and didn't recognise a cliche as a cliche! He also does seem to be attracted to projects which involve children. I think he's a bit of a sentimentalist at heart....needs some help with reading his scripts! Well, I'll go expecting eye-candy, and anything else will be a bonus. Although I am interested in the depiction of African culture (and BTW there is a Nigerian community in the south of France (and a much larger Francophone African community), and I presume they would have their own church.) I also wonder about the style of acting (amateurish?)...having watched dramas on Nigerian TV, their style of acting is quite different, and even in everyday life, they seem to speak more pedantically.

Thanks for the review, Allison, and I'm sure we're not that surprised. The information the film missed giving may give credence to Ms. Sagay's more legitimate complaints that her film ended up to be not what she wanted. but surely he must have read the script and realized that the whole thing was made up of cliches. And hey...he was paid for spending time in the South of France. Sounds ok to me.

And this relates to what specifically in my last comment? Sorry, Karen, I was just identifying myself in the categories of non-thinking people (by virtue of my gender) Ah well, the same old story (... me ... "humour" ... lead balloon ... just keep quiet, Mark ...)

(Mark) Sorry, Karen, I was just identifying myself in the categories of non-thinking people (by virtue of my gender) Ah well, the same old story (... me ... "humour" ... lead balloon ... just keep quiet, Mark ...) Not at all, Mark. What I thought you meant by that exquisitely expressive and perspicacious monosyllable Duuhhh???? was Who in the world would have thought that BWP appealed to thinking persons in the first place? Are you saying that you did in fact enjoy it? MDH and MDSon both saw it, and they do think, although perhaps not about the same things as I. It made MDH sick but not MDS. No doubt this is significant as the 30th birthday chasm separates them. I however did not see it partly b/c of the corollary to Firthette rule #1. That, you will recall, is Any Film is Improved by the Addition of ODB--Any Film, Anywhere, Any Time. The corollary is Any Film is Impoverished by the Absence of ODB to Some Degree and May Be Fatally So.

I didn't see BWP, as (a) I don't like horror, and (b) Karen panned it. Reaction from friends suggests, as so often, that its impact is the opposite of their expectations. Those who hoped it would be the scariest film for a generation were disappointed and bemused, those who hadn't heard the hype were impressed and frightened. I even enjoyed not explaining the truth to a visitor in the office who was convincing people it was real film salvaged from the forest.

Re: Duh??? I wasn't sure. And it's a combination of gender and age, smart guy ;-D BTW, Allison's son not only showed good taste but also bravery--going against popularly held opinion for his age group.

BTW, Allison's son not only showed good taste but also bravery--going against popularly held opinion for his age group. Gosh, Karen! How kind of you to ascribe such sentiments to my son. I fear he is just the world's most impatient person and just could not stand the slow pace:-) Talking of slow paces, I find myself suffering withdrawal today. Much as I criticised SLOW, I do find myself yearning for another fix of those deep brown eyes, that loping stride and long lean.......ah, I can't go on! Unfortunately I do not think there will be another opportunity for popping up to Leicester Square this week and I do not antic pate that it will be around much longer.

How long before the video comes out I wonder, I think Slow will be one of my favourites and one that is played very often. I had hoped it would come to Brighton, but nothing so far.

The corollary is Any Film is Impoverished by the Absence of ODB to Some Degree and May Be Fatally So. I do agree with your theorems, Prof. Cymbeline. I saw Sleepy Hollow last w/e mostly because I thought Johnny Depp had a kind of Darcy-esque quality about him (the eyes, the costume). Well, Depp was good but the rest of the movie tanked. Halfway through 'art' fades in the face of blood, guts and gore. And rolling heads, of course. Sorry for the OT: now back to SLOW.

Am absolutely shattered after a very long day, starting at 5.30am. But have seen SLOW and actually enjoyed it! More later... Just briefly though, I rang yesterday Optimum Releasing re SLOW. It will have a very selective release in other parts of the countery. For example, next week it's showing at Manchester Showcase, then in 3 weeks probably Leeds Showcase. I only asked about my area. They really only know a week in advance (but it's not art-houses) The best thing is to ring them on 0207 4784466 (new London code) and enquire about your region. You get through instantly and the guy in charge of SLOW is very helpful. Other news....the VIDEO will be out in just over 3 months, in April. So everyone, PAL conversions permitting, should be able to see it. Meant to ask about where it had been sold, but forgot. More next....

Have gotten a second wind, so I'll try to post some thoughts about SLOW before going to bed! I had a hectic day in London, attending a very demanding seminar, but managed to squeeze in SLOW before rushing for my train. I have to say that I went in with zero expectations, and was pleasantly surprised. Call me shallow, but I didn't think it was too bad ....I agree with Christopher Tookey's review...its a pleasant way of spending 2 hours (well, an hour and a half or so!) I think I was a bit stressed after all my rushing around, and just found it relaxing to watch something that is visually pleasing. The setting is picturesque, the costumes are very colourful, Nia Long is very pretty in her Nigerian dress, and Colin, well, he is , no doubt about it, very, very handsome! Forget those Fiennes bros! I just thought "mmmm"!! And gawped! But, apart from the superficialities, I enjoyed the romance (Okay, corny, but they make a charming couple) and also the depiction of Nigerian culture...the significance of the costumes, the arranged marriage etc. I didn't think it was badly acted...just "differently" acted, and appropriate to Nigerians' speech patterns, delivery and body language, which are not the same as ours. I had no problem with the acting. Or with the notion of an African community living in S.France...although I agree we should hea more of the French language!! (Some Africans are bi-lingual, and also speak their local dialect.) It's lightweight but easy on the eye, and has a core of sweetness which I quite liked. I think it's been over-edited...perhaps cut down from 120 minutes to 95, and this can results in apparent jumps and inconsistencies. And the dialogue can be so-so, but ..overall, not too bad! I'd love to see him in a seminal role, and I guess it's always disappointing, when, yet again, you see him in something fairly average that doesn't do justice to his talents (although this film certainly does justice to his looks...those dark suits!) But if you accept the film for what it is, I think I can definitely go along more with the Times review (rather than Ann Bilson!)

Thanks for that Bethan, I too thought they made a lovely charming and believeable couple. Unfortunately the bad reviews are sure to put Colin off from playing the romantic lead, which is such a shame. He sure did look good though, defintely a video to savour!!

the bad reviews are sure to put Colin off from playing the romantic lead I'm sure that nothing will put Colin off playing whatever roles he thinks suit him best. That's his job, remeber? :-)

I'm happy for everyone who got a chance to see SLOW, but especially Evelyn and Bethan--I know how closely you've followed its fortunes (or misfortunes;-) over these many months. Good news on the speedy video release, Bethan. Ok, good for those of us who have no chance of seeing it any other way!;-) Your comment about the different style of acting by the Nigerian cast is interesting. Ann, I also hope that this doesn't turn him off from romantic type roles--but it may give him pause about the types of film projects he gets involved in. Maybe that's ultimately a healthy thing. And, if the SLOW reviews had to be mostly negative, at least they came at a time when they are more than counteracted by his success at the Donmar. He's in a hit play, working before a packed-house every night, in a critically-acclaimed performance. And, I think that MLSF will receive a good critical receptio when it reaches your shores. Maybe I have blinders on about this film, but it really is a wonderful movie--well-written, beautifully acted, sweet but with a bit of a bite. So, that's a great one to look forward to. Funny . . .I generally don't see the glass as half full; this is so unlike me.;-) (Mark) Ah well, the same old story (... me ... "humour" ... lead balloon ... Don't feel bad, Mark. I've been told that my jokes go over like a pregnant high-jumper!;-)

Thanks Bethan...you had quite a marathon day. But SLOW was a good way to end it. Like you said visually pleasing...just don't dissect it.

Brava, Bethan! I think back to your crusade (and Evelyn's), and now you have both seen it! There is something so rewarding in that. It makes my day. Now I just have to wait for the video. :-)

(Mari) I'm happy for everyone who got a chance to see SLOW, but especially Evelyn and Bethan--I know how closely you've followed its fortunes (or misfortunes;-) over these many months. Well said, Mari. Ditto for me! (Bethan) But have seen SLOW and actually enjoyed it! I would have been disappointed if you didn't like it, Bethan. Thanks for the video news. (Mari) I've been told that my jokes go over like a pregnant high-jumper!;-) Hee hee! Sez who?

If you'd seen the reviews for this week's crop of UK films, you'd have thought that SLOW was very well received! Yes, not long to wait for the video....and as I've said, visually this is a treat! I'm impressed that Optimum have managed to slot it into a multiplex chain (Showcase). What a contrast with the apparent indifference of Miramax/Buena Vista towards MLSF. BV said they planned just a London release followed by a slow release thru' the regions, because "it just wasn't a multiplex film". So it will be spasmodic independent art house, I suppose!

Bethan, I could live with all the reviews for SLOW except Anne Bilson's, comparing it to Mad Cows is just too much to take. Am waiting to see if it comes to my neck of the woods, tomorrow!

I wonder why MLSF is considered an Art House film and SLOW isn't? Could it be because MLSF is scottish and SLOW Arts Council?

While I could hardly tell BVI how to do its business, but MLSF has been playing in lovely, state-of-the-art multiplexes throughout Australia. There is nothing about that film that necessitates screening it in dilapidated art houses. Evelyn, MLSF was funded by the Scottish Arts Council.

When MLSF played in my area, it was in a state-of-the-art multiplex. The one near me is a 16-screener (just expanded from 12) that shows some of the more interesting studio fare (American Beauty, Being John Malkovich), smaller indie fare (Dogma, The Straight Story, The Winslow Boy) and foreign language films (Run Lola, Run, The Dinner Game). So, I think it really depends on what's available screenwise in the area, and if an area shows support of such films. And frankly, compared to some of the films I entioned above, there's nothing particularly "art-house-y" about MLSF. Miramax chipped in the bulk of the MLSF cost.

Bethan, is SLOW still playing in London and Peckham in addition to the Showcase in Manchester?

Very nice page put up by the Showcase theatre chain: http://www.showcasecinemas.co.uk/films/slaughter.fhtml (although I notice that there is only one screening time for SLOW in Manchester; not exactly positioning it for the date crowd)

(Allison) Also Matthew and his wife seemed so fond of each other and were obviously such friends that Mattew's rejection of his wife seemed cruel. Trying to reserve judgment till I see the film, but this is the part I'm having trouble with. Have a hard time finding anything sweet or romantic about films that involve dumping your spouse -- unless you're married to the spouse from hell. Sounds like Matthew leaves Jenny in the lurch -- in which case the "happy ending" kind of leaves a sour taste with me. Could you elaborate on how Jenny is portrayed? One reviewer describes her as "catty" -- is this a fair assessment? Any more so than any woman would be who doesn't want to lose her husband? At the end, did it seem she realized she really loved Matthew, or just didn't want anyone else to have him? Does the fact that Matthew is, um, married ever come up as an obstacle, in addition to the cross-cultural ones? If not, that seems rather odd to me. (And yes, I know it was an "open" marriage, but still.) Would the plot have worked just as well if Matthew were a notorious (single) playboy rather than a married man?

I checked the This is London site last night and SLOW is showing at the ABC Panton until at least Dec. 9. Thank heavens. I am leaving for London tonight and am really looking forward to seeing this film and of course ODB in the flesh at the Donmar.I will be thinking of all you wonderful Firth fans while I am away.

Have a lovely time Lynda and a safe return and we look forward to your report on your return. Its rather windy and cold in the UK so wrap up warm, lots of snow in Scotland but it has a long way to come to get to London!!

(Karen) Very nice page put up by the Showcase theatre chain: http://www.showcasecinemas.co.uk/films/slaughter.fhtml Wouldn't be surprised if this address would attract the wrong kind of audience for "Slaughter of Women". Or can they possibly refer to the editing? ;-P

Why are they the "wrong" kind of audience? ;-) They are the under 25 crowd who flock to Scream movies. Who else could go to a 4.20 showing?

(Susan) Could you elaborate on how Jenny is portrayed? As I remember, catty is a fair assessment; when she turned up she was sardonic and mocking, and of course brought her current man for flaunting. Even when she turned up in Nimi's home with the "hands-off" speech, you didn't feel that she was revealing a deep love, more protecting her property. Does the fact that Matthew is, um, married ever come up as an obstacle, in addition to the cross-cultural ones? When he is recovering from the "heart attack", Nimi says "we didn't know who to tell, but then we located your wife". She spits out the word, and it is the first time, after about 45 minutes, that we find out he is married (if we haven't read the spoilers). So it is clearly an obstacle, and one not fully broken down by the "sophisticated" open nature of the marriage. However, I didn't feel much sympathy for Jenny, even though she is not a complete villain.

Susan, I agree with Mark's assessment of the "marriage"....there's really no leaving in the lurch. Karen, you amaze me...you really do track down the information! I was going to refer you to http://www.yell.co.uk, which enables you to search for programmes in all cinemas in the UK. But you don't need it!. SLOW is still at Peckham Premier. Actually this isn't a bad theatre. I used to get a magazine called Screen which covers the business side of the film industry. Peckham Premier has four or five screens, each with 300 seats (cf ABC Panton St with 140 seats) As to SLOW with a 4.20 screening in Manchester Showcase...I still think this borders on a miracle! Have you seen what it's showing with...The World is not enough, Sixth Sense, Blair Witch, Tarzan and Phantom Menace! This is the "big" league!! :-) Have a great time Lynda. By all accounts, CF is getting better and better in 3DOR, and SLOW will be an unexpected bonus!

Thanks for your assessments re: the marriage issue, Mark and Bethan. Sounds like I'll be able to enjoy this film after all:-)

Thanks, Bethan, for the url. It is rather hit or miss since I don't know the UK cinema chains' names and do guess a lot. But a 4.20 showtime is not conducive for a "date movie," which is generally how romantic comedies are marketed. Of course, all the Volvo-driving women of a certain age will see to it that their Labs have ample water and will head off for the 4.20 showing and then bring takeaway home for dinner. Correct? ;-)

(Susan)Sounds like I'll be able to enjoy this film after all:-) Just remember to drink this movie in visually...don't dissect it...it's full of holes. And actually, Colin isn't a very convincing adulterer/cad either.Even when you know he doesn't plan to marry Nimi..you're on his side! (I had the same problem in Valmont too...he never convinced me of being an aristocratic lothario)

According to the regional cinema listings, SLOW is showing at the Manchester Showcase at 4.20, 7.05, 9.20 and 11.35, which is okay!

One shouldn't have to be away from one's computer for such a length of time that posts in Drool gain a "too much - these'll have to wait" quality. I thank you all for the marvelous reviews and comments. I enjoy CF's movies so much from all your posts it is almost as good as actually watching them - or so I tell myself ;-) Truly, thank you all very much. These spoilers don't spoil anything for me - quite the contrary! :-) Last minute news: I've just learned that my tv cable company is giving Valmont on the 26th... A real Xmas present! I can't believe I'm atually and finally going to see it - as long as the VCR works!

Can anyone please tell me why the simple "news" I typed in became a sort of link?

It's a mystery ;-)

:-D

(Gi) I've just learned that my tv cable company is giving Valmont on the 26th Merry Christmas, indeed! Let us know how you like it. Also let us know if you feel an overwhelming urge to take dictation. You'll see, you'll see ;-)

Gi, how marvelous! I will enjoy reading your comments on my return from Italia.

I hope to make some... I'm embarrassed at how mute I've been on ATA, one movie I did see recently...

I must post my views on SLOW before I can no longer read the handwriting of my notes. First of all, I did see this film a few times. It was a perfect respite from pounding the London pavements in the cold...the rain...the wind, sometimes all three together. And it was showing in Leicester Square, most conveniently. My 15-year old was lukewarm, but my sister-in-law and my DH enjoyed it very much, as did I . Okay, we aren�t film critics, but we know what is boring, and this film wasn�t. IMO. Colin has never looked better. His hair was curly and thick. His clothes, even the flashy, expensive-looking dressing gown, were very flattering. Everything he wore set off his lovely neck and slim build. My favourite outfit was Matthew�s white shirt, partially unbuttoned, but, honestly, he looked fabulous throughout. Lots of smiles and terrific looks between him and Nimi and even Jenny. He had some very sexy scenes and the chemistry between him and Nimi was quite believable. I enloyed the entire film, even the parts with no Colin and even after repeat viewings. I liked Nia Long and didn�t think the other actors were amateurish, at all, with the possible exception of Rev. Fola�s mother. Quite enjoyed the interplay of the women. I also liked the music, a combination of gentle African rhythms and French accordion. The African clothes were stunning. As an American, I did not find the film anti-American, more anti the phony and lonely sophistication that Jenny and Matthew (British and John (American) represented. Nimi�s mother made a comment to that point which was quite telling. Made me think. Favourite scenes: Matthew snooping around Nimi�s place. When he asks her to say his name - oohh. And again, right before they make love the first time, when he asks her the same thing. The scene between Matthew and Jenny when she first appears. He is dozing in the garden and looks absolutely edible. It�s apparent she thinks so, too, especially when she grabs the hair at his nape in her fist, gives his head a shake, and tells him it (his hair) looks wild. I thought she was going to gobble him up - I would have. Matthew stroking Nimi�s arm, right before Sammy interrupts and the scene after in which Nimi pulls off his jacket. Jenny untying Matthew�s dressing gown sash. Notice how I chose all the high-brow scenes. Favourite Lines: Sammy yelling at his mother, as he drags Matthew into the church, �Mamma, look what I got you.� What a kid! Nimi saying to Matthew, �Saracen (his comic book creation) banging, screwing and nailing is not sex, but carpentry.� Matthew saying later, when Nimi comments that he really thinks about things, �You mean I�m not just a carpenter.� Matthew asking Nimi to say his name - very erotic. The comment of Nimi�s friends that �white men chase women up and down the bed, turn them over and over like grilling meat and they still conceive. Miracle!� Then Nimi pipes up and says �It�s foreplay - I read it in a magazine.� Re: Matthew�s marriage. He and Jenny are quite clearly fond of each other, have great sex together, move in the same social circles. She is not a villain as they obviously at one time shared similar values. However, Nimi awakens in him the need for commitment, the need to be possessed and to possess. Now I ask you, could any of us imagine sharing our husbands, boyfriends, whatever, sexually, especially if he looked like ODB. Jenny actually leaves France so that Matthew and Nimi can develop their relations ip. When Jenny arrives the first time, Matthew and Nimi had not yet slept together. Whatever Jenny and Matthew share, it is not passionate love. Matthew attempts to talk to Jenny about this one night when he is unable to make love to her. She tells him they are the fittest and he replies, (I am paraphrasing here) �What about when we are not fit? What about when we need?� She responds, �We�ll rise above it.� Hence his remarks near the end when he says that he needs Nimi and Jenny asks, �What about me?� and he says, �You�ll rise abov it.� He wanted her reassurance that she would always be there for him and she wouldn�t give it. I never got the sense that she was passionately, in the emotional sense, in love with him. Re: the ending. The only thing that seemed contrived was the boat business and that was partially because of bad editing. The boat is first shown drifting out to sea, but when Matthew and Nimi arrive, it is on its side in the cove. How convenient. Matthew�s making the comment about �Field is a name too,� refers to Nimi�s only reason for marrying Rev. Fola. She wants Sammy to have a last name. BTW, the Rev. Fola may have been in lust with Nimi, but again I never got the sense that he loved her. Think of Mr Collins� reasons for wanting to marry Lizzy and you have a good perspective on Rev. Fola�s interest in Nimi. Moreover, you just knew that he didn�t like Sammy and planned to send him off to boarding school ASAP. Matthew and Sammy, however, were friends before he ever met Nimi. Matthew brings the tomatoes to make a public offer of marriage for her, as she had asked him to do in the restuarant scene, because no one had ever done so before, including the Rev. Fola with his family investigators. In the final scene, she asks Matthew about his wife and he says, �You are my wife.� Perhaps not yet legally, but emo ionally. It sounds callous, I know, but Jenny, who apparently sleeps around as much as Matthew (we see her in bed with John, Matthew�s agent), seems merely to mind losing, as opposed to losing Matthew, and she had her chance when he reached out to her and she rebuffed him, again on an emotional level, not a physical one. They had a very superficial marriage. I also liked the interplay between Nimi and her mother and their friends. Perhaps the title refers to all of the secret manoeuvrings between the women to arrange Nimi�s marriage. Colin and the boy were cute together. There was a scene in this film like in MLSF where the father figure is asked to explain to the boy about sex and at one point, the kid gets the better of the man (tells Matthew that he knows all about the penis, vagina, rabbit business. Which definitely perplexes Matthew. Then Sammy tells Mat hew that he saw a film at a friend�s house and the woman was screaming and swearing. Matthew says, �Probably was moaning - it�s an important distinction.� Matthew is by no means as nonplussed as Edward, however. Finally, although the film isn�t Academy Award material, it is very enjoyable and sweet. I was rooting for Matthew and Nimi all the way. Not to mention, Colin plays an Alpha male in this - rich, handsome, successful, desirable, commanding. Too bad SLOW didn�t succeed. An aside: I did notice that the poster in the Leicester Square tube station was ripped to shreds. Couldn�t decide if it was done by a desperate Firthette or by her disgruntled boyfriend, husband, etc. ;-)

Lynda--thanks for that lovely synopsis/commentary. I'm unhinged! she asks Matthew about his wife and he says, �You are my wife.� Get a bigger bucket! That reminds me of the line in The Advocate, (and btw I am among the admirers of that film--brains, looks, AND charm--they get me every time) anyhow, the line where Colin quotes The Song of Solomon to the gypsy woman--Thou art black but comely, my sister, my wife. Absolutely edible as you so perfectly put it. When does the video come out!?

(Lynda), Colin plays an Alpha male in this - rich, handsome, successful, desirable, commanding. The producers of BJD should see it and put an end to their doubts and finally offer DB the part of MD. Thank you for such a detailed opinion, Lynda. You certainly had a firthfilling time. ;-D

Thank you Lynda..I enjoyed your review. I didn't find all the things you did in the film...But I enjoyed it alright...because he is in every frame, and never looked better. But the film per se gets a poor grade ...He gets a #10.

Oh! I'm putting in my order for that PAL video right now. Marvelous rendering, Lynda. Your favorite scenes like they'd be mine too. And I love the lines you quoted, especially this: Nimi saying to Matthew, "Saracen (his comic book creation) banging, screwing and nailing is not sex, but carpentry". Matthew saying later, when Nimi comments that he really thinks about things, "You mean I�m not just a carpenter." and this: The comment of Nimi�s friends that white men chase women up and down the bed, turn them over and over like grilling meat and they still conceive. Miracle! Then Nimi pipes up and says "It�s foreplay - I read it in a magazine." Matthew asking Nimi to say his name - very erotic. I notice you mention this twice. ;-) Yes, I know I will love this film.

I thought I would post my comments about 3DOR now while we are attempting to get over Colin�s snub. Although all three actors in this Olivier-nominated play were good, he was the best of them, IMO. The Donmar is an excellent venue for an intimate play like this in which it is important to see the actors� faces. Mind, we had excellent seats (first and second row, centre stalls). I was told that the corner side seats are not so good despite the actors� efforts at playing to the entire audience. EMcG was good, especially in the second act as Lina, but her appearance put me off - way too much lipstick making her look a tad clown-like. David Morrissey performed his role well and had some good lines, but his characters were rather light weight and didn�t make a big impression. As for the costumes, they were uniformly unattractive, particularly ODB�s and especially the lovely sweater he wears as Ned. The play is a great deal funnier than I expected, but had some touching moments, too. Colin looks very handsome at some moments, especially in both acts when he is sitting on the stool in semi-profile listening to Lina speak. I marvelled at how different he looked from moment to moment, even on stage. His chameleon-like quality in films is a talent, not the result of make-up or editing. He uses his hands to great effect, particularly as Walker, constantly fidgeting and picking at his clothes and waving them about. You could sense the character�s high level of nervous tension and the panic hreatening to overwhelm him at any moment. I was also quite fascinated with Colin�s lengthy time on the cat-walked posed in a motionless, silent s-curve. A feast for the eyes. Some of my favourite moments: Walker�s �reconstruct along with me� monologue - very funny, but touching too. Ned�s flaneur monologue, so sad, yet he didn�t find the notion of that life sad. Ned�s comment about taking his drawing materials with him to Central Park as a shield in case someone wanted to talk to him. The one line sums up the effects of the cruelty directed by so-called normal people towards anyone different. Ned�s being the butt because of his stuttering turned him inward in self-defence. A touching moment. Ned�s monologue about children. I can remember having the very same thoughts before I became a parent. Very funny and so true. Walker�s saying that his mother looked like something crystal, then red everywhere. A child�s concrete observation. His perfectly delivered words to Pip, �you must publish,� and also his scornful comment regarding Pip�s qualifications as a cultural critic as one who buys copies of antique Italienate chifferobes from catalogues. Lina�s quip about everyone in NYC being a genius or a connoisseur. Colin�s delivery of the lines about his attempting to get a hamburger from Craig-the-waiter. Lina's sweet encouragement of Ned at the end of the play. Made me feel sad that they ended up divorced. I agree with other comments about ODB�s talents as a comedian. His timing is quite good and he doesn�t try for laughs. All-in-all, I think 3DOR is a very good showcase for Colin. My only criticism of his poignant, funny performance is of his voice. I cannot for the life of me figure out was his accent was supposed to be. DM was clearly going for a Boston-accent but Colin�s voice was too flat for my liking and pitched a little high. Also re his failure to capture a Olivier nomination, at one performance I ent to, a couple of women behind me thought he was too hysterical as Walker and it seems from previous drool comments that he had upped the energy level from his highly-acclaimed performance in March. As for me, not having seen his earlier portrayal, I really enjoyed him as the Janeways, son and father, because the performance was so very different than his film work which is generally much quieter. I am sure everyone in London now will enjoy him in this and in SLOW. BTW, can anyone say why the group didn�t go next week to see him on his closing night? Just curious.

Colin looks very handsome at some moments, especially in both acts when he is sitting on the stool in semi-profile listening to Lina speak. I was also quite fascinated with Colin�s lengthy time on the cat-walked posed in a motionless, silent s-curve. A feast for the eyes. Wot!? My dear Lynda, you're supposed to be following the action on the stage, not watching Colin! What got into you? ;-) Walker�s "reconstruct along with me" monologue - very funny, but touching too. Ummmm. Don't you want a tape recorder for that? You're bringing it all back to me, including the expressive hands. Lina�s quip about everyone in NYC being a genius or a connoisseur. Perhaps her best line? One of the few times she puts a genuine Southern drawl to her words. DM was clearly going for a Boston-accent He was? Then he must have been trying harder this time around. I don't think he bothered with any accent but his own when I saw it. Thanks for posting your observations, Lynda. Did you overhear the women behind you regarding their opinion of Walker or did you speak to them. Curious to know more of what they said. I don't know why. My opinion of his performance if firmly entrenched. He was mahvelous, darlings! And I'm glad you thought so too.

Thank you so much, Lynda for that articulate and perceptive report on the experience of witnessing a 3DoR performance. It is perhaps the most vivid and comprensive one that I've seen here so far, IMO. What a gift you have!

Did you overhear the women behind you regarding their opinion of Walker... I overheard them during the intermission, since they were sitting in the row behind me a few seats over and were not being particularly quiet as they aired their observations. They also said something to the effect of "Couldn't they have found a better actor to play the part?" Believe you me, I was boiling a little (okay, a lot). I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but does one need to be so loud about it while one is still in the theatre and the play is not yet over. I restrained myself and did no enter into a debate, though I was sorely tempted. And speaking of theatre behaviour, I am amazed at the rudeness of some theatre- goers in London, who seem to be under the impresson that they are at the cinema instead of attending a live-performance being given by real, flesh and blood human beings. Patrons are not permitted to eat in live theatres in North America, and it is a good policy IMO. Mind, this is not a recent development in London - I was quite shocked the first I was in London in the 70's. This time,I actually had to turn around and speak to someone behind me who was eating Pringle's potato chips with such noisy ferocity during a performance of The Woman In Black, a quiet, rather intense two character play, that I was nearly crawling out of my skin in annoyance. Fortunately, the culprit was took heed of my glare and my polite request that he stop, so that I was spared the necessity of throttling the idiot. On the subject of opinions, I sat next to a Firth fan at my last performance. She saw SLOW at the London FF (not at the Brixton theatre, but at the other one), thought he was to die for but did not like the film. I think she said, "It wasn't brilliant, was it?" No, it wasn't Amadeus, but as you know, I did like it anyway. Also, she asked me whether I thought his accent was good. I hemmed and hawed, said I thought it was interesting, I think. I didn't hate it, but it was his weakness, IMO. But she said she liked it a lot better than his voice in Fever Pitch, which she did not care for. While I really like his voice as Paul Ashworth. My dear Lynda, you're supposed to be following the action on the stage, not watching Colin! Excu-u-u-se me, but the only action I flew 3000 miles to see was Colin's.;-) I did try to glance at DM and EMcG occasionally, but I did not really feel the need to look at them deliver their lines as long as I listened and if there was something better to look at at the moment. One other moment I forgot to mention. At one matinee, I was sitting maybe six feet away directly in front of where Ned picks Lina up and whirls her around. All I could think was, "Me, me, take me, Colin, Ned, whatever."

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Thanks for your 3DOR report, Lynda -- loved the details. Just curious, what did your DH and son think of the play and performances?

Susan: Just curious, what did your DH and son think of the play and performances? Just a few words from another male who has now watched 3DOR: I thought it was an excellent play, although the writing was outshone by the performances (with the exception of EMcG�s first half effort). As noted, only the accents seem off, even to English ears. Mind you, I don�t know how I�d cope with trying to do American for 3 hours! There is plenty of humour to jolly things along throughout (though I guess it palls for those who have seen the play several times), and the flashback/reversion device allows Richard Greenberg to indulge in some elegant construction. I�m sure I missed many subtleties, but it was fun to nod sagely after Ned�s �flaneur� monologue, and whisper "So that�s why he called his son Walker". I felt CF really worked his way into the performance whereas David Morrissey hit the ground running, but found it hard to sustain. By the end there was no question who had carried the whole play through though: clearly YDB! I was equally impressed by his dedication in satisfying the fans� demands in the lobby � frankly it was a madhouse, and I could understand EMcG not braving the throng, though I scoffed at the time. What was even more fun though was to meet so many fellow-posters and others, and I should apologise to those I didn�t talk to/identify, and thank those who made it so enjoyable for Anna and myself.

(Lynda) At one matinee, I was sitting maybe six feet away directly in front of where Ned picks Lina up and whirls her around. All I could think was, "Me, me, take me, Colin, Ned, whatever." Tee hee! It's great that the Donmar provided such an excellent setting for this play. It seems from all accounts that the intimacy increased overall enjoyment immensely. They also said something to the effect of "Couldn't they have found a better actor to play the part?" Believe you me, I was boiling a little (okay, a lot). I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but does one need to be so loud about it while one is still in the theatre and the play is not yet over. I restrained myself and did not enter into a debate, though I was sorely tempted. Could you make out their accents? American? I was equally impressed by his dedication in satisfying the fans� demands in the lobby � frankly it was a madhouse Whatta guy. I'm glad you were able to meet everyone, Mark. Your wife's a real trouper.

Lynda - I restrained myself .... Lynda, I don't know how you did such sacrilege to say ODB is not a good actor, a good actor he most definitely is, I guess they would prefer someone like Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt!!

Thanks, Mark, for posting your thoughts. We count on the men in our midst to be a tad more objective than we could be so I'm glad to see you were able to single out Colin's performance as the one that carried the play through. There is plenty of humour to jolly things along throughout (though I guess it palls for those who have seen the play several times) Gasp! Surely not for anyone here. ;-) I�m sure I missed many subtleties, but it was fun to nod sagely after Ned�s "flaneur" monologue, and whisper "So that�s why he called his son Walker". Good catch for someone who has not spent hours dissecting the script as we have done. You'd be amazed at what we came up with regarding "fenestration". Sounds like the evening was well worth it. So does Anna think we're mad? Thanks, Lynda, for telling us what the women behind you were saying. Okay, I'll be big and say they're allowed to dislike ODB. But how amazingly crass to announce their expert opinions to the rest of the room. You showed such restraint. You did fix them with the evil eye though, I hope.

Sheesh! Sorry....it's fixed.

Heide: So does Anna think we're mad? Far from it. You may yet see her post.