I've got a couple of questions about things that have come up that were from a long time ago. 1. Sometimes, Karen, you post older pics. I am thinking a while back when you put up the shot of CF and LD on their wedding day in the carriage. Is there somewhere in The Bucket where these older things are that I cannot find? 2. CF has been in other plays besides TDOR. Of course we all know about Hamlet and it's demise, but is there info on the really old ones from way back before the world was created that can be found somewhere? Does anyone know *everything* he's done on stage? Will think of more so I can appear to be contributing *very worthwhile* posts to this topic! ;) ;) (Double winkie)

1. No, in many cases those older pics are not on The Bucket because I didn't go back and try to establish a comprehensive Filmography approach. It would've been like re-creating the wheel. There are several other websites which would have extensive P&P pics and more are sprouting up everyday with their DVD caps. 2. There's one website that specializes in Colin's dramatic work. It has pics (if available) from the plays, scans of the programs, cast listings and more and it was put together by Luvvy, who posts here periodically. http://home.att.net/~luvvie/cf/ Actually, that was one area I've wanted to address, as I have a great deal of info on this area (reviews, programs, pics, etc.) and was revamping my 3DOR at one point to start the project...but...time, time, time...

(Lisa) Does anyone know *everything* he's done on stage? Don't know if this is everything (I'm sure I'll be missing a few), but I have a list of several. "Hamlet" You knew that already. "Another Country" CF played Guy Bennet (the role played by RE in the movie) "The Doctor's Dilemna" by Shaw. He played Loius Debedat "The Lonely Road" by Schnitzler. CF played Felix Wegrat. Also starred Anthony Hopkins. "Desire Under the Elms" by Eugene O'Neill. CF played Eben. Carmen de Sautoy (sp?) was in this as well (they were in LE together). "The Caretaker" by Pinter. I really liked this one (I have only read the plays....have yet to see ODB live). He played Aston. "Chatsky" by Griboyedov. He played the lead. Minnie Driver was in this as well "The Deep Blue Sea" I believe he only did this for television. It is a play by Terence Rattigan and CF played Freddie Page. "Three Days of Rain" you knew about this one as well.... I don't think this is a complete list...and cannot tell you if they have been discussed before, but would be interested to know if they have????

1.The Friends of Firth Scrapbook has a collection of all the old pics. http://www.grin.net/~meluchie/index1.html Meluchie took over from Robin. Back in 1996 that was the first CF website. It has a v. comprhensive collection of old pics and interviews.

TO KAREN, FOR ORGANIZING THIS FUNDRASING... To Jane Scott in Australia, and Lizza in UK

(from 165, about the Valmont bathtub photo on eBay) (Rika) A couple of us here can probably produce an identical DVD screen capture. (Kathy) So?????? we're waiting I'm going to need a day or so - real life intrudes. Maybe someone else can help in the meantime.

(Rika) I'm going to need a day or so - real life intrudes. Maybe someone else can help in the meantime. I can wait. It will be something to look forward to. :-)

Think that's Valmont? With the silver service in the foreground? So many of those pics are altered..I've gotten cynical;-)

TV Alert "Relative Values" will be shown this Wednesday on Starz cable TV at 11:30AM EST. Check you local listing of time. One of my favorites. The scene with the Girl Scouts is worth the price of admission. Once I watched it and focused on Peter Marshwood alone. Hysterical. This guy makes faces throughout!!A gem of a movie.

Is this not News?

(karen) Is this not News? Getouttahere ..move it yerself;-) Don't I do anything right?;-)

(karen) Is this not News? Well sort of, but Evelyn did actually combine it with Peter's facial expressions from RV.(winkie inserted if needed) Hey, where did everybody go? Come on out, and lets do some Firthology 101. We sure had plenty to talk about last week. Lets get those walking, butt, and bald tours up and running. Wish I knew how to type an echo. HELLOOOOOO)))))))

Hey, where did everybody go? That's what I wanna know....I'm here.Waiting...*tap* *tap*. I have emailed A&E to see if they plan to show all the P&P episodes on the Sunday aft Thanksgiving. They have done it for several years. Yup....all 6 Eps.

(lindak)We sure had plenty to talk about last week. Lets get those walking, butt, and bald tours up and running. Dang! And I was out of town for a few days...You ladies were on fire! I am just catching up from all of that fabulousness, the great pics, the copious droolability of the walking and butt discussions...I am raring to go, but I understand if we need to take the high road, so to speak for a little bit... *sniff*

(MariaT) I am raring to go, but I understand if we need to take the high road, so to speak for a little bit... *sniff* To heck with that. We really hadn't worried the hair discussion to death yet over on 163. We talked about bald vs. not-bald, but given that he's not at present bald, how about best vs. worst hair among his various characters? My nominations: Best - SLOW. I like the slightly lighter color (perhaps his natural color), and I love that his hair is almost disorderly - but not quite. So it has an irresistably tousled, "please run your fingers through me and tidy me up" thing happening. It amuses me that both of his female co-stars logged some fingers-in-hair time, not that I blame them an iota. Worst - I'm ducking the incoming tomatoes, but FP. Paul is adorable in his own way, but the hair was pretty bad.

(Rika) Worst - I'm ducking the incoming tomatoes, but FP. Paul is adorable in his own way, but the hair was pretty bad. No, no tomatoes...but I would have to disagree...I think SIL is the worst... Kind of smarmy/greasy...I was watching Nostromo the other night and thinking about his hair color, and thinking perhaps I didn't like it quite that light, and then watching as he stood in the rain and then took his wife into the mine, and then I practically levitated when he dove into her!!! At that point I was so far gone it would'nt have mattered if he had had Chia pet hair growing out of his head!!!

(Maria) ...and then I practically levitated when he dove into her!!! Guard against inappropriate outbursts at work - must stop reading at work - must stop reading at work - must stop....

(Rika) We talked about bald vs. not-bald, but given that he's not at present bald, how about best vs. worst hair among his various characters? Okay, my nominations: Best: I'm not very original...P&P. Love the darker hair (and darker eyebrows), but the Elvis chops have to be included. But I thought he looked yummy in WoF as well. Worst: His hair in Tumbledown (half shaved) was sad. But I don't think counts as he had just had surgery in the film...so, my vote is FP. I loved Paul Ashworth, but he needed a comb (but the hair suited his character....so??) (Evelyn) I have emailed A&E to see if they plan to show all the P&P episodes on the Sunday aft Thanksgiving. They have done it for several years. Yup....all 6 Eps. Have marked my calendar...will watch it on PBS (even though I own it)...that whole guilt thing, you just can't change the channel on ODB. Gotta 'support the team'! Thanks for posting everyone...bad day. 170 people laid-off at my company.

(Rika) Best - SLOW.....it has an irresistably tousled, "please run your fingers through me and tidy me up" thing happening. Worst - I'm ducking the incoming tomatoes, but FP...the hair was pretty bad Have to go out, so no time to elaborate....but am in *complete* agreement. While I didn't like his hair per se in AMITC, I *really* didn't like that wild mane in FP even though it suited his character.

(Maria T) I understand if we need to take the high road, so to speak for a little bit... Unfortunately, I've lost my High Road map, so I'll just have to take my usual route. ;-) (Rika) Worst - I'm ducking the incoming tomatoes, but FP. Paul is adorable in his own way, but the hair was pretty bad. You cut me to the quick! I love the wild look, even though it might make the "rubbed off" spots a little more noticeable. It's not my favorite, though. I guess that honor would go to P&P (sideburns and all). Haven't seen SLOW, but it sounds promising.

I just love his hair. I wouldn't like to see him lose much more of it. And I don't think I would ever like to see him with a close crop again - I just don't think it suits him. Best hair:my nomination. The best, IMHO, is in DQ, near the beginning, when he is standing outside Lucy's house. The camera pans from behind him round to the front and every time I watch it, I just want to run my fingers thru those lovely curls at his collar! - Next best is definitely SLOW.

Worst - I'm ducking the incoming tomatoes, but FP. Paul is adorable in his own way, but the hair was pretty bad. Style, not so bad...but color, Luisa. That reddish tint. Cheap dye job. (Hey, low budget film. He even wore his own clothes!)

Best hair, eh. Is it really any contest?

Yeah... I keep forgetting ATA. Personally I like: Mr. Darcy...now and forever... (Thank you Mel)

(Mari) Best hair, eh. Is it really any contest? Are we talking chest hair now??? If so, I have to change my answer!!! :-)

I agree, got sidetracked with the view of some other visible hair. (insert drool) Just to make those who have not seen DQ jealous, his hair is yummy throughout. BTW, I have a bouvier. Her name is Freddie! (insert sheepish smile) I am always cutting her soft curly hair. So I could save a big bag of it the next time. Even though it's black, it could be dyed if it is put into service! This isn�t Fred but exactly what she looks like:

(Rika)Best - SLOW Absolutely, What I wouldn't do to run my fingers through that hair. Oh, Gawd! My next favorite hair/look is Mark Darcy. I do like the perfectly groomed look now and then. I can't mention P&P because I put that role in a category all of its own. As much as I love FP, can't say that the hair does anything for me, although Paul Ashworth sends me over the moon. (Maria)Unfortunately, I've lost my High Road map, so I'll just have to take my usual route. Me too, I burned my high road map a long time ago.:-) (Tress)that whole guilt thing, you just can't change the channel on ODB I told you, it feels like you've sinned or something. (Maria)I practically levitated when he dove into her!!! At that point I was so far gone it would'nt have mattered if he had had Chia pet hair growing out of his head!!! Dove into her. I love that part. Chi, chi, chia. LOL

(Tress)Are we talking chest hair now??? If so, I have to change my answer!!!;-) (Lisa)I agree, got sidetracked with the view of some other visible hair. (insert drool) Yup, I take the holistic approach.;-) We had a fan who used to post at one of the sites who was an extra on 1,000 Acres. She said the makeup people used to mascara Colin's chest hair so it would show up better on camera. Wouldn't you love a job like that?! ;-) She had great stories, said he was a real sweetheart. (Evelyn)Mr. Darcy...now and forever... Can't argue with that choice . . he's the gold standard.

Mari...She said the makeup people used to mascara Colin's chest hair so it would show up better on camera. Wouldn't you love a job like that?! I was made for a job like that!

(Mari) She said the makeup people used to mascara Colin's chest hair so it would show up better on camera. Wouldn't you love a job like that?! ;-) Oh my.....that's my dream job. I can't believe I didn't know that there were openings for 'chest hair beauticians' (think they list stuff like that on Monster.com??). I would have remembered to do his pit hair as well (as it appears he has little/none). ;-)

(Mari) She said the makeup people used to mascara Colin's chest hair so it would show up better on camera. Wouldn't you love a job like that?! ;-) Oh. My. Goodness. (Janet, about DQ) every time I watch it, I just want to run my fingers thru those lovely curls at his collar! The curls at the collar! How could I have forgotten that? This is something you see with his hair sometimes and I love it. Allow me to use BJD to illustrate, since I don't have DQ on DVD. NOTICE This is a test of the Topic 166 Scope Question. This is only a test. The photos to follow are from BJD, but are intended to illustrate a general point and not to start a discussion about BJD. Had this been a genuine diversion to BJD, you would have been instructed to visit the appropriate topic. (Including three winkies, just to be safe) ;-) :-) 8-) Okay, now on to the illustrations of the "hair on the collar" thing. First, let's start with a view from the distance. Ding DONG! Notice how the hair comes down to a little point at the neckline in back? What's that you say? You want to zoom in for a close-up? Actually, the little curl is partly obscured by the turtleneck in the picture above, but it's such a nice view of that dark wavy hair that I figured it was worth including. I admit, that one had nothing to do with what I'm talking about, but I thought it would be fun to make Linda faint away at her keyboard. So, anyway, my point was that it's not unusual for that little curl to lap over the shirt collar.... like this: and when it happens I LOVE it. Like Janet said, it's very tempting to the fingers. I find myself looking for it now in any of his movies where he's got shorter hair. And now I think I have emigrated to the Land of the Truly Obsessed. Thank heaven I've got company! This concludes the test of the Topic 166 Scope Question. We now return you to your regularly scheduled drooling, still in progress.

Oh Rika, what yummy examples, thank you so much!

Rika...okay, if we're now talking about 'over the collar hair', I'm putting my vote in for Valmont (cuz if you're goin' over the collar, you might as well just go for it...). I hope I'm not the only one (but am prepared to be if necessary). I LOVED it. Especially when it was wet and down....see, I'm easy to please...bald or down to his butt, I love it. BTW, does anyone know if it was extensions or a wig (I'm thinking it was extensions by the front, but you never know....)?

(Tress) I would have remembered to do his pit hair as well (as it appears he has little/none). ;-) So lightly colored that you cannot tell. Either that or the local drugstore was out of the waterproof variety. ;-)

Good illustrations Rika, but not my favorite hair moments of BJD. Funny enough this topic and using BJD as an example is timely... And now I think I have emigrated to the Land of the Truly Obsessed. Well I'm right next to you in that moving van.... On one of my recent trips, I took my computer and a couple of movies, including BJD to watch in case the plane movie wasn't something I wanted to see. I got as far as the Kafka Motorbike party, when I started focusing on his hair. First noticing how noticeable the thinning was on the shot as he walks into the room during Bridget's intro. *Then* I noticed all those wonderful waves on the side and back of his head as he's talking with SR and Natasha just as he tries to excuse himself to go over to Bridget. I just kept rewinding that and stopping on that frame to ogle the pattern those gorgeous waves made. *sigh* Not sure if I can grab that to illustrate. The DVD isn't in the computer at the moment anyway. In BJD, I thought his hair was a tad bit short for me until her bday party. Wasn't thrilled with it at the T&V party. But at the end, Oh mama!

(Rika) Best - SLOW. I like the slightly lighter color (perhaps his natural color), and I love that his hair is almost disorderly - but not quite. So it has an irresistably tousled, "please run your fingers through me and tidy me up" thing happening. It amuses me that both of his female co-stars logged some fingers-in-hair time, not that I blame them an iota. I loved his hair in SLOW too. One of my favorites. Was perfect style for role of playboy/writer. I think one of the most flattering for him. Just framed his face perfectly. Also love the hair in Lost Empires. Agree P&P is category all of its own. Watched "You've Got Mail" last night, a favorite. Never realized the similarites with P&P before. Also book is alluded to many times and the copies Tom and Meg are reading have picture of JE and CF on cover. Thought that was pretty neat. Obvious that director thought JE and CF the consumate Elizabeth and Darcy. Actually just love his hair in everything. Just love him.

Gee, Rika, I think you passed the test. I'm not sure, because the illustrations made me forget (as in not care about) the reason for the test. Ding dong, indeed!! (Tress) I would have remembered to do his pit hair as well (as it appears he has little/none) (Karen) So lightly colored that you cannot tell. I noticed in one of the scenes in FP that it is very light, but there. I think it's just as he gets up from the bed, before donning the Arsenal boxer shorts. I think I'd make an excellent Body Hair Mascara Madam. I'd be very meticulous, making sure to get every single hair. :-)

(Tress) I would have remembered to do his pit hair as well (as it appears he has little/none) Maybe they tried, but just couldn't because he's just very, very ticklish.... *lol*

(Dorine) *Then* I noticed all those wonderful waves on the side and back of his head as he's talking with SR and Natasha just as he tries to excuse himself to go over to Bridget. I just kept rewinding that and stopping on that frame to ogle the pattern those gorgeous waves made. *sigh* Visual aid (I think I have the right moment):

Oh, Oh My! Can you see that one little curl breaking free from the rest, a little ways down from his ear??? I have dibs on that! Actually, I have dibs on that whole section there from the sideburns to the chin and on back around to the entire neck and what disappears below the collar. And did I mention the ear? I want that too.

Rika - You rule... (Tress) that whole guilt thing, you just can't change the channel on ODB Speaking of this, (and looking for a little sympathy or empathy) I got home last night and flipped through the channels, ever eager to find one of ODB's movies on prior to watching one of his videos. I didn't see anything so I may a few phone calls, played w/the cats, etc. Then I flipped through once more about a half hour later and Fever Pitch had been on for almost an hour!! I was tormented! This is completely irrational!! I have Fever Pitch on video and could have watched it back to front if I wanted!! I can't stop exclamating!! Does this make any sense? (bang bang bang) (head banging on desk) It is as though I am mourning the loss of that hour in which it was broadcast freely to the world while I carelessly went about my life. Ah well, I'm sure some of you understand...

Oh, Rika!!!! Bless You! Bless You! You hit it right on the money! *heavy sigh* (overall still like hair in SLOW best though) (Lisa) Oh, Oh My! Can you see that one little curl breaking free from the rest, a little ways down from his ear??? I have dibs on that! Actually, I have dibs on that whole section there from the sideburns to the chin and on back around to the entire neck and what disappears below the collar. And did I mention the ear? I want that too. Hey! Hey! This is *my little moment*, but I can share....sometimes ;) ;) Actually Lisa, for you, all the time as thanks for all your great stories! And you Rika for posting that lovely picture to start my day!

Lisa) Oh, Oh My! Can you see that one little curl breaking free from the rest, a little ways down from his ear??? I have dibs on that! Actually, I have dibs on that whole section there from the sideburns to the chin and on back around to the entire neck and what disappears below the collar. And did I mention the ear? I want that too. LOL....okay, fine...but I've got dibs on the chest hair in this scene...cuz although you can't see it, it still very important (as I whip out my make-up brush)... (Dorine) Hey! Hey! This is *my little moment*, but I can share....sometimes ;) ;) Actually Lisa, for you, all the time as thanks for all your great stories! She only took one sideburn...I think the other belongs to you. Thanks Rika!!

I shouldn't read here first thing in the morning. How can I function properly while imagining the whole mascara-ing the chest scene? :-) I must put in a good word for the FP hair. I know it's a mess but that works for me! I love the contrast between that and the Darcy hair. Fave hair moment: In SLOW, the wife reached around to the back of his neck and gives his hair a good tug, making his head jolt back a bit. I felt like someone was reading my mind. And an honourable mention goes to: Another Country!! Practically a bouffant. Those were the days (sigh).

(Lisa) I have dibs on that whole section there from the sideburns to the chin and on back around to the entire neck... Okay Dorine, Lisa did take both sideburns... I shouldn't post right now (pre-caffeinated). I'll share his chest hairs...buy you'll have to bring your own mascara (I think dark brown for this role, not ebony). ;-)

(Pam)Also love the hair in Lost Empires. Bwaaaah. I don't have the DVD. Only lousy VHS tape. Lisa) I have dibs on that whole section there from the sideburns to the chin and on back around to the entire neck.. Sorry girls, body parts not allowed. (Not enough to go around;-)Clothing only...but yuo can pick the collars that touch the hair:-))) Looks like SLOW wins for hair.... (Pam) Also book is alluded to many times and the copies Tom and Meg are reading have picture of JE and CF on cover. Thought that was pretty neat. Obvious that director thought JE and CF the consumate Elizabeth and Darcy. Nora Ephron said in interview she's a big P&P fan. Notice the book cover had CF and JE on the cover...not the classic bound variety.

(MariaT)Ah well, I'm sure some of you understand... Yes, some of us understand all too well! By the way, there's a web site where you can find out when and where (on US TV stations) his movies are being broadcast. Eight of them are/were on the schedule for October. Here's the URL: http://www.tv-now.com/stars/firth.html (Dorine) Oh, Rika!!!! Bless You! Bless You! You hit it right on the money! Thank you for directing me there! I'd never noticed it before and you're right - the waves and curls are mesmerizing. (Pam)Also love the hair in Lost Empires. (Evelyn) Bwaaaah. I don't have the DVD. Only lousy VHS tape. I just got the DVD's as an early birthday present from a wonderful friend who understands my obsession. Am just waiting for a block of time (maybe this weekend) when I can watch. I'm really looking forward to it. I'm glad many of you have enjoyed the illustrations!

(Me) I just kept rewinding that and stopping on that frame to ogle the pattern those gorgeous waves made. *sigh* There's another shot like this in P&P when he has just helped Lizzy up into the carriage. She stands there for a moment to say something and there's a nice shot of the back of his head and those great curls and waves. Did anyone else notice in that shot how right before he lets go of her hand when she's in the carriage, he rubs his thumb on her fingers a little? A little real life communication, perhaps? ;)

(Evelyn) Nora Ephron said in interview she's a big P&P fan. Notice the book cover had CF and JE on the cover...not the classic bound variety. Thanks for explination. Thought it was something like that. Knew the jacket was not classic, but very good and interesting to see. Thanks again for picture Rika. So happy you got LE. You'll really enjoy it. It's one of my very favorites. So well done all around.

(Rika)but I thought it would be fun to make Linda faint away at her keyboard You really have my number, don't you? As I said, does one breath in heaven? Thank you Rika, you just succeeded in making my v. crazy day even crazier, but a whole lot more fun. (Lisa)I have dibs on that! Actually, I have dibs on that whole section there from the sideburns to the chin and on back around to the entire neck and what disappears below the collar. And did I mention the ear? I want that too. Wait, wait, I want some of that whole section there, too. Please? Even though I'll never give up my position as a LD (Latte Diva), I want to become a CHB (chest hair beautician)on the side. Rika, Dorine? Can't let Kathy have all the fun. Oh, those curls on the back of the neck. Oh my, my, my.

(Dorine) Did anyone else notice in that shot how right before he lets go of her hand when she's in the carriage, he rubs his thumb on her fingers a little? A little real life communication, perhaps? ;) I didn't notice the thumb rub, but I did notice the grip (almost white knuckled, like he didn't want to let her go)... Love LE, good story, good cast (I found the book in a used bookstore for a buck...it's the tie-in, so it has a picture of ODB on the back). I liked his accent (it's different than BJD, DQ). I'm not good with dialects, but he doesn't sound like his usual self. I like that he narrates throughout...that voice **sigh** And to see him all dressed up for 'the act' is great. Those skinny legs riding a bike! You just gotta love it!

(Linda) Wait, wait, I want some of that whole section there, too. Please? Even though I'll never give up my position as a LD (Latte Diva), I want to become a CHB (chest hair beautician)on the side. Rika, Dorine?Can't let Kathy have all the fun. Who, me? While I've been working diligently (and only now taking a lunch break), you gals have been having a field day dividing up CF's various hairs. So, the heck with pits and chest hairs. I've decided all I want is the treasure trail, should the subject ever come up. *wicked laugh* (Dorine) Did anyone else notice in that shot how right before he lets go of her hand when she's in the carriage, he rubs his thumb on her fingers a little? I've always loved that part! It's similar to the scene at the Lambton Inn, when he strokes her arm (wanting to comfort her). There's something to be said for repressed sexuality -- it makes every touch seem so much more intense.

(KathyF) I've decided all I want is the treasure trail, should the subject ever come up. *wicked laugh* Too funny!!! What does that leave me with?? Oooff, downy butt cheek hair I suppose...Well, beggars can't be choosers I suppose... There's something to be said for repressed sexuality -- it makes every touch seem so much more intense. You said a mouthful!! Argh, we are entering double entendre paradise...

(Tress) Love LE...I liked his accent (it's different than BJD, DQ). I'm not good with dialects, but he doesn't sound like his usual self. That's because Colin was doing (or trying to do) something of a Yorkshire accent, which sounds to me like very light Scots (eastern side).

(KathyF) I've decided all I want is the treasure trail, should the subject ever come up. *wicked laugh* So to speak. Now I'm imagining you on the set of PM the day of the first shower scene with a mascara brush in hand.... (Linda) I want to become a CHB (chest hair beautician)on the side. Rika, Dorine? Can't let Kathy have all the fun. I think maybe Kathy just gave up that position for an even better one (see above)! But to be serious for just a moment, it must have been weird for CF to be on the receiving end of this operation. Standing around with no shirt on (I know I just lost some of you to that image, but try to stay with me) while make-up is applied to his chest hair. Acting is such a bizarre profession. (Dorine) She stands there for a moment to say something and there's a nice shot of the back of his head and those great curls and waves. Dorine, you do have an eye for these things. Check this out, gang:

(Rika) Check this out, gang: I made it as big as I could (bigger than lifesize, but it was pretty pixellated). What is that? Looks like tape or something. it must have been weird for CF to be on the receiving end of this operation. Standing around with no shirt on (I know I just lost some of you to that image, but try to stay with me) while make-up is applied to his chest hair. And just imagine how weird it would be for someone to be performing my new (self-appointed) job. Weird for him, delightful for me!

(Dorine) Did anyone else notice in that shot how right before he lets go of her hand when she's in the carriage, he rubs his thumb on her fingers a little? I love that scene. Gives me, well never mind you know what it gives me. (Kathy)should the subject ever come up. *wicked laugh* Oh, I'm sure it comes up.

A friend just sent me this...Don't know if this is #165 or #166...Whatever....Boss take down the one you want. Cute new story, (to me)in a new bio of Sam Mendes. But it's about 3 DOR (old play). A story about Colin on the opening nightof 3 DOR. He had wanted to get some fresh air, stepped outside a stage door, but it was locked and he couldn't get back in.LOL. He had to reenter the building via the front (wearing his Walker outfit), and had to refuse to sign autographs, as curtain time was in 20 minutes. The book even mentioned that the author, Richard Greenburg, never saw the London production. Odd. The book spent more time on Greenburg's other play "Take Me Out" which he did come to London to see." Book has pic of Colin we've seen before. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't think he went out to sneak a ciggie...he didn't even smoke in the play.

(Evelyn) Don't think he went out to sneak a ciggie...he didn't even smoke in the play. Very cute story...has he quit smoking? Does anyone know?? I hope so (as we all want him to be around a long time (as I'm sure his kids do as well)).

while make-up is applied to his chest hair.... Y'all got this all backwards, IMO. I'd so much rather volunteer to gently wash it off. ;)

(Elizabeth)Y'all got this all backwards, IMO. I'd so much rather volunteer to gently wash it off. ;) ROTFLOL. Bingo!

(Elizabeth)Y'all got this all backwards, IMO. I'd so much rather volunteer to gently wash it off. ;) My mascara doesn't come off that easily...need baby oil...hmmmmm...the possibilities now seem limitless...

Hmmm... re: Taking the High Road.. There's a High Road? (confused expression) I was told to come here to be silly, so here I am. (Lisa) Oh, Oh My! Can you see that one little curl breaking free from the rest, a little ways down from his ear??? I have dibs on that! Actually, I have dibs on that whole section there from the sideburns to the chin and on back around to the entire neck and what disappears below the collar. Hmmm... trying to remember if anything is left over for me.. ok, ok... I'll take his bellybutton (lint or no), his toesies, and his fingers. =P Best Hair would be difficult for me to vote on since I haven't seen very many of his movies (no, I haven't just been possessed by the travel agent of guilt trips) However, I really like Jack's/Earnest's hair. And, (picking up a tomato for each fist) you'd better lay off of Paul. He's a doll, and I don't care if he is scruffy. You know as well as I do that every single one of you would hit that, even if it was dressed in overly baggy sweat pants that were repeatedly hoisted to keep them from falling down. =PPPP

(Jeanie) You know as well as I do that every single one of you would hit that, even if it was dressed in overly baggy sweat pants that were repeatedly hoisted to keep them from falling down. =PPPP ROFLOL!! You think she knows us or what? Me? I'm not gonna saying nothin' about Paul's hair, even if it did look like a radiated chia pet on MiracleGro ****ducking tomatoes******

(Barb S) I'm not gonna saying nothin' about Paul's hair, even if it did look like a radiated chia pet on MiracleGro ****ducking tomatoes****** No tomatoes here, but Paul did need a comb (Paul Ashworth is one of my favorite characters that ODB has done, so although I think his hair is a mess, it's an adorable mess)...my hairdresser has a name for that look...She calls it a JFL...You all will have to work it out, I could get in trouble if I explain further. ;-)

(Elizabeth S) Y'all got this all backwards, IMO. I'd so much rather volunteer to gently wash it off. ;) Elizabeth, I bow to your superior vision. (Tress) She calls it a JFL... Does the "L" stand for "Lazy"? The rest I've got.

(Tress) I would have remembered to do his pit hair as well (as it appears he has little/none) I noticed while reviewing the bath scene in P&P that his pit hair seemed to be died black, or perhaps something had been glued on. Difficult to tell which, as he never raised his arm. At any rate, definitely something v. dark in there. Paul did need a comb (Paul Ashworth is one of my favorite characters that ODB has done, so although I think his hair is a mess, it's an adorable mess) From someone who has been known to watch FP in its entirety four days out of five, I'll readily admit I find it sexy. It could stand some brushing (or combing) but all those curls look very grabbable (is that a word?). (Jeanie) There's a High Road? Not here, definitely not here!!

My computer, as many of you know, went bellyup in August and I had to basically have it completely overhauled. However, at the time of my mishap, I was playing "Sims" fairly regularly. Now, I need to put them back on the computer, but, as some of you were discussing in "Odds & Ends" it got me to thinking... I wonder if there's a Darcy Sim one can download.. maybe one that comes along with an Elizabeth and a "Pemberley" for their abode?

I really shouldn't come here first thing in the morning; I'll be distracted all day by those scrumptious Darcy pics Rika posted. Mmmmmm, you just want to dive right in, don't you? (Jeanie) And, (picking up a tomato for each fist) you'd better lay off of Paul. He's a doll, and I don't care if he is scruffy. I'll join you in the Defenders of Paul Brigade, Jeanie. Ohhh, when he's talking to the kid's mom at the parent/teacher conference thing, and he smiles at her, and the dimples come out, and OHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! She must have a will of iron 'cause I don't see how she doesn't fling herself at him from across the table! As for best hair, since P&P is in it's own hallowed category, and since I haven't been able to see his early stuff, I would have to say BJD. Especially since Rika was so good as to post so many yummy captures! (Tress) She calls it a JFL... Okay, all this talk has put me in somewhat naughty frame of mind, and, since no one's risen to the challenge, may I suggest "Just F****d Look"?????

(Jeanie): I wonder if there's a Darcy Sim one can download.. maybe one that comes along with an Elizabeth and a "Pemberley" for their abode? Ha - laughed at this !!! My kids play Sims all the time and I got them to create a character called Mr Darcy, who lived on his own, and a character with my maiden name, who lived on her own. Then, just had to wait for Mr Darcy to come to visit, she (I)would ask him to stay, and voila !!! It worked - but they deleted the characters much to my dismay.

(Moonstar) Okay, all this talk has put me in somewhat naughty frame of mind, and, since no one's risen to the challenge, may I suggest "Just F****d Look"????? Moon, if that isn't it...it should be!!!

(Moonstar) Okay, all this talk has put me in somewhat naughty frame of mind, and, since no one's risen to the challenge, may I suggest "Just F****d Look"????? That would be correct. My hairdresser cut all my hair off recently and now I have a Paul Ashworth special (so although it got my vote for his worst hair...). I asked her what was that??? She said 'it's the JFL special'. My DH likes it...wonder why. So, Moon (and Maria), you got it...I just didn't want to type it (though I laughed when she told me and now everytime I see FP, I think of it....)

Just a friendly reminder: when you quote moonstar don't refer to her as Moon. Moon Dreams is Moon. This can avoid any confusion. Thank you! :-)

Oh, dear. My pseudonym is causing problems again. I've been "moonstar" for so long on the 'net, I can't think what to change it to, and I can't use my real first name, because there's another Meredith here! (Annea) Then, just had to wait for Mr Darcy to come to visit, she (I)would ask him to stay, and voila !!! Oh, my! Now WHY haven't I thought of this? Might not be a good thing, though, since I already spend an ungodly amount of time on the computer as it is. However, for a (cyber)Darcy, I guess I can find the time...

(Moon) Just a friendly reminder: when you quote moonstar don't refer to her as Moon. Moon Dreams is Moon. This can avoid any confusion. Thank you! :-) Sorry Moon (and moonstar)!!! I should be more careful. I'm like moonstar, someone here already uses my real name (Terry) and I thought just changing the spelling would be just as confusing, so I use a nickname given to me as a kid. (Jeanie) I wonder if there's a Darcy Sim one can download.. maybe one that comes along with an Elizabeth and a "Pemberley" for their abode? I have the Sims game and have yet to play it...you've now inspired me. Think I'll load it tonight. I'll try doing a Bridget character (and give her a couple of neighbors (MD and DC) and see how things work out...) ;-)

(Tress)She calls it a JFL...You all will have to work it out, LOL I got it right away, but my sister firthettes were here before me. Look how good we're all getting at those tags. I, too, can watch FP over and over. But, I think Matthew from SLOW, has several JFL moments, in a different sort of way than Paul Ashworth. No talking tomatoes here, Rika will swoon, as I do about BJD pictures.

Re: Darcy and the Sims... Ask and you shall receive... (don't we wish) Sorry, but I don't know how to do links. http://www.lyranssimdesign.com/Darcy.htm http://www.simplyforfun.net/sims/PP.html

Hey, it seems that I do know how to do links... Curious.

I love you, Meg. (doing happy dance in jubilation) Gosh, they even have maids! I have all the extensions up to "Hot Date", but I don't have the most recent one. Perhaps Santa might send it to me. (Annea) Ha - laughed at this !!! My kids play Sims all the time and I got them to create a character called Mr Darcy, who lived on his own, and a character with my maiden name, who lived on her own. Then, just had to wait for Mr Darcy to come to visit, she (I)would ask him to stay, and voila !!! ROTLMAO! I can only assume you have the vibrating "love bed", then? Oh, how wonderful.. must reinstall, must reinstall!

Meg! You are awesome! I'm going to install tonight and get cracking (I have abandoned my Bridget idea...Mr. Darcy's moving into my neighborhood). I don't know how accurate the regency plumbing is, but I'm all for hot running water and indoor toilets! ;-)

Hey, Meg, where can you download the Darcy and Elizabeth skins? I didn't see it located at that website.. maybe I've overlooked it?

Looks like I'm going to have to get The Sims now??? Oh, good, I needed something to do in my spare time.... (Linda) But, I think Matthew from SLOW, has several JFL moments, in a different sort of way than Paul Ashworth. A verrrrrrrrry different way. Mmmmmmmm. No talking tomatoes here, Rika will swoon, as I do about BJD pictures. That's pretty much a given. It's probably just as well SLOW isn't available on DVD or I'd drive myself crazy.

Ok, I found em, sorry.. LOL.. they're here: http://members.lycos.co.uk/ronya/ and it appears the download comes with a complete family.. (dancing happily) really cool antique armoire which I'm definitely gonna have to download for Elizabeth: Antique Ceylon Armoire http://www.oph3lia.com/ she has all sorts of interesting pieces.. you just have to sort through the gothic things, unless that's what you like! (smiling) She also has an antique lovebed, along with stained glass windows and all sorts of little authentic looking pieces. Another one of my favorite places is :http://moonsims.asi.org/dh-sims-site/ His creations are so detailed and original. Ok, I'm getting carried away.. (breathing slowly to calm down)

I downloaded The Family so I could check out Darcy, but then realised that we don't have Sims loaded right now on the computer. Has anyone been able to see him? I assume that anyone obsessed enough in P&P to go to the trouble to create this world would be so because of ODB... Please tell me he looks at least a teeny bit CF-ish? My husband has promised to load the game back on tomorrow so I can play... (So patient with my little hobbys.)The house looks like loads of fun! Now how to get Lizzy into it... I'll have to have my kids give me some instructions I think!

A new question, re: Valmont. Someone already had noted that there's at least one scene missing on the DVD (when he goes to see de Tourvel and finds out she's back with her DH). But as I went through it I started to think that there's more missing than that. Does anybody have both the VHS and DVD versions who could compare? I may get to it eventually, but I don't have the official VHS tape - I just taped it off AMC, and they cut some of the butt-worship and perhaps other things I haven't noticed.

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I finally saw Playmaker last night. I hope to be back to normal soon, my eyes are only just settling back into my head. I'll have to do some searching of past posts for notes on Nessie hunting...I can see not spending a ton of time watching it again but there are definitely some parts to go back to. And I have not done a full review of roles for hair ratings, but I certainly think he rates highly in this one!

(Barb S) I'll have to do some searching of past posts for notes on Nessie hunting...I can see not spending a ton of time watching it again but there are definitely some parts to go back to. I just recently saw PM as well...Nessie makes an appearance for a nano-second. Jeanie pointed me in the right direction on topic 163. Try the slo-mo on your VCR (if only it were on DVD...never thought I would say that about PM, but hey, if they are going to release Begotten on DVD, PM should be out as well) Not his best film, but not his worst, I just finished L'dum yesterday...ohhhh gawd...that was painful. At least there was nekk'dness in PM, L'dum had none of that...did anyone ever bother to discuss it? I did a search and couldn't find anything.

ROFL, Oh, Tress, hold on to your bonnet and get ready for the time of your life: L'dum discussion:http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/126.954

(Tress) L'dum had none of that...did anyone ever bother to discuss it? There is one of the funniest discussions ever on this movie. I just don't know where to start you off. Agree, PM is not great, but he's wonderful and that's all that counts for me. My eyes haven't been in my head since 1995. It's a constant condition as I watch atleast one movie every day.

I've been reading the discussions of PM, both of them in fact (?!) For such a uniformly condemned movie, I think it's interesting it's been discussed twice! OK, maybe 1 1/2 times to be precise! I guess I need to get the hint that this was not cinema at its best and any coherent plot was accidental at best, but I'm thinking I need to watch it again just to try to map it out. It's times like this though that I really appreciate the dedication of those who have gone before and left us a record of their discussions...I hope they know their multiple PM viewings were not in vain! (And when I give up trying to map out the plot, I have very precise coordinates for mapping of a completely different type!)

(FanPam) - My eyes haven't been in my head since 1995. It's a constant condition as I watch at least one movie every day. I am soooo happy to hear this...You ladies are an inspiration..I knew I was hanging around the right crowd...

Funny how once you start coming here, everything picks up a certain slant. Just saw an interesting bit on ABCnews.com� Scientists Study If Gait Can Be Used to ID People � according to scientists, one day it may be possible to recognize anyone by the way they walk, or their gait. Oh really? ..if gaits are as unique as say voice patterns or fingerprints, advanced surveillance systems could identify and track people by the way they walk�. Got anyone in mind we could track by his distinctive gait? Forget �Colin-cam�, we could launch a surveillance satellite! When a person walks, body parts ... create a particular repeating pattern (they certainly do!) as they each move through space. The video camera captures these points of movements and sends them to a computer for analysis. The computer ... establishes mathematical relationships for each point to create the "signature" patterns it needs to recognize for each individual. You don�t say? Does the computer give extra points for flapping coat tails? � experimental setups use signatures captured from volunteers walking on treadmills� researchers report the machines make a correct match 90 percent to 95 percent of the time. They need a machine to track this? I would volunteer as long as the subject was right! But there are still difficulties in such systems....(among others...) such systems would have a very difficult time picking up distinct movement points of a person ... wearing bulky, concealing clothing such as a heavy coat... But the coat is PART of the signature...duh! �(scientists are exploring the use of radar...) ...the radar system isn't hindered by clothing or inclement weather � making it ideal for outdoor security and surveillance systems. Now THAT�S what I�m talking about...I like that �not hindered� by clothes part! .. Greneker and his team say that labs tests have shown their system can recognize a person by their gait 80 percent to 95 percent of the time. But the eventual goal is to improve the accuracy to the high-90 percentile range. Should we volunteer to help out? I bet as analytical as we can be, we can get their average up!

(Article)such systems would have a very difficult time picking up distinct movement points of a person ... wearing bulky, concealing clothing such as a heavy coat... Well then, maybe they need to be nekkid. Looks like we may need to revive our Stairmaster discussions.

Ooh - and I just saw some nice Stairmaster stuff (as well as evidence of short socks, if we ever want to bring that one back) in the early part of LE. Great article, Barb (but even greater commentary). I guess our problem is that there's only one gait we're interested in identifying. (BarbS, about PM) I guess I need to get the hint that this was not cinema at its best and any coherent plot was accidental at best, but I'm thinking I need to watch it again just to try to map it out. PM all but traumatized me the first time I saw it, but it has improved on repeat viewing, and if you're really in a hurry you can just FF to the shower scenes :-). Seriously, though, it's interesting to watch CF's portrayal of Ross once you know the whole plot. It's a multi-layered performance that I couldn't appreciate the first time because I didn't know about Michael (and also because of the noxious talent-obscuring fumes emanating from most of the other actors). I just FF any time he's not on screen, as I watched those parts once, and that was once more than they deserved to be watched.

(Jeanie) ROFL, Oh, Tress, hold on to your bonnet and get ready for the time of your life: L'dum discussion Thanks Jeanie...have been reading up on the L'dum discussion. There were so many things that bothered me about this movie (I'm not done reading the detailed analysis yet, so many of the things that bothered me were mentioned and some I haven't seen posted yet...but I'm sure I will). Couldn't really find a redeeming quality about any of the characters (although CF's 'drinking problem' was a bit amusing...but that was it!). MB is horrid. I can't believe anyone thought the script was funny...must now go drink some pints and let off a bit of steam! :-) (Barb S) Scientists Study If Gait Can Be Used to ID People LOL, Barb, the best thing about this article was your commentary...and we all know that you don't even have to see ODB (though the visual is part of the thrill), all you have to do is hear that shuffle to know it's HIM!

(Rika) PM all but traumatized me the first time I saw it Funny you should say that. DH got up this morning moanin' and groanin' that he slept literally not a wink. Among other things, he says his mind kept turning over that warped movie he watched the end of with me. He's sacked out on the floor with the dog now (8:15 PM) -- hmmm...think I'll go back and count glass blocks.

(Barb S) that warped movie he watched the end of with me. So I take it he missed the shower scenes? It's hard to drool when DH is present.

(Rika) - It's hard to drool when DH is present. Absolutely!! And compulsive rewinding is not looked upon favorably either, thus taking away all the multiple little joys of viewing!

(Tress)ohhhh gawd...that was painful. At least there was nekk'dness in PM, L'dum had none of that... But it did win the Pennis Award;-)