(Shoshana)Also, I just watched 1000 Acres... what are other's opinions on that film? I thought CF was the only redeeming factor (though his accent was disconcerting). Oh oh, don't get them started on his accents;-)

(Beedee) Oh oh, don't get them started on his accents;-) LOL..too late! (Shoshana) (though his accent was disconcerting). The accent really threw me off initially, but now I find I'm staring at his neck during the entire movie (love those open neck shirts he gets to wear), so I don't even remember what he sounds like! I actually had a hard time with the American accent in ATA.....which is so odd because it didn't even effect me when I watched PM (but there were so many other things to distract me in that film....)

Also, I just watched 1000 Acres... what are other's opinions on that film? As a movie? Out of the 100 films reviewed by Premiere Mag that year, ATA was voted 100. I thought CF was the only redeeming factor Esp in the navy blue suit in the courtroom scene;-) He has a little problem with American accents..on stage and screen.Changes the resonance of his voice.

Having just finished a viewing of P&P, yesterday...I must say, FD has it all, the look, the walk, the coat swaying in the wind, the body, and don't forget the breeches, Louisa. Smolder, did I mention smolder? Oh yes of course, there is that bit of stubble, too.

(Shoshana)Also, I just watched 1000 Acres... what are other's opinions on that film? I thought CF was the only redeeming factor (though his accent was disconcerting). (Evelyn) As a movie? Out of the 100 films reviewed by Premiere Mag that year, ATA was voted 100. Evelyn, that says it all. Yes Shoshana, CF was the only redeeming factor. His accent didn't bother me (I've heard worse). Besides his was the best voice out of anyone in that movie. I just love the "and you're just oblivious" scene by the back door. I've replayed that scene time and again. The voice, the look, the body language. *sigh* Made a trip to Virgin Megastore for FP and BBAF. Got SLOW, Tumbledown and WOF on ebay.

The Virgin store in Times Square does Not have the FP soundtrack. Not on their database either. Someone asked me to check. I wonder if the soundtrack is available in the US. I've bought them in UK for US Droolies, but that was about 5-6 yrs ago. Best part of the film (besides YKW)

(Evelyn)I wonder if the soundtrack is available in the US. I've bought them in UK for US Droolies, but that was about 5-6 yrs ago. I have my name on some list (Amazon maybe?) that keeps checking for me if anyone puts one up for sale, not available to my knowledge otherwise..

(Evelyn) I wonder if the soundtrack is available in the US. No. It was never released in the US by a US company. Any copies at music stores (mainly Virgin) were in the Import section. (Sonia) BBAF OK, now I'm really drawing a blank. Bad Boys Against Firth??? Big Bimbos Admiring Firth?

(Karen) Big Bimbos Admiring Firth? Hey, quit talking about me like that! ;-) I've always wanted the FP soundtrack, too. Amazon UK doesn't have it. ;-(

(Evelyn)The Virgin store in Times Square does Not have the FP soundtrack. Not on their database either. Someone asked me to check. That was me, Evelyn. Thanks so much for checking. I'm still looking and would absolutely love to find a copy of this.

(Karen) Bad Boys Against Firth??? Big Bimbos Admiring Firth? Forgot to proofread before submitting. What a difference an A makes. Should've been BABAF as in Black Adder Back and Forth. Like your interpretations. Big Bimbos Admiring Firth?! I've been called worse. ;-) (Evelyn) The Virgin store in Times Square does Not have the FP soundtrack. The trip I referred to was to the Orlando Megastore. They had the DVD but not the soundtrack. Sorry to cause confusion. My mind is more agreably engaged by linens.

Karen)Big Bimbos Admiring Firth? Hey! I thought we agreed on *Ladies who Lunch*! For the argumentative, yes,this can and has led to BBAF. This is MEO (my expert opinion).

Ahhh, I see. Well, Black Adder is Black Adder (BA) to me. The others in the series are kind of meaningless here.

(Evelyn) The Virgin store in Times Square does Not have the FP soundtrack. I got mine on Ebay. Paid too much for it, but that's not the first time I've paid too much for something CF-related.

Here's a hint to finding a FP soundtrack, as I got mine for �1 on ebay.co.uk -- sometimes people who have them don't understand why we would be interested in them. Hint hint. Think about your search terms.

Another unrelated question from a newbie: What is P&P2? Is it a film? Is CF in it? Thanks.

The traditional numbering scheme, developed when Spring hosted the Austen conference was: P&P0 - Laurence Olivier/Greer Garson film version P&P1 - David Rintoul/Elizabeth Garvie BBC version P&P2 - Colin Firth/Jennifer Ehle BBC version ...and that's how most people refer to them.

(Evelyn)does Not have the FP soundtrack. I purchased mine on Amazon, last April. I paid $32.00 for it. It was worth it to me because I love FP, and the voice overs in between the songs...have caused me major meltdowns. BBAF...Big, Bad, And Frothy.

For all newbies: Those of you who are P&P fans might be interested in going to another Drool section which features stories of Lizzie and Darcy in different periods...from regency to contemporary. Written by devotees of Jane Austen: some of the early stories are esp outstanding. Drool Fan Fic Archive at the top of this website: http://droolfic.tripod.com/ Also Murph has a lovely story: "Viola and Wessex in the New World" on her website. http://www.murphsplace.com/firth/prequel.html Bring a box of tissues!

ahem... (blink, blink, blink) Ok..(breathing to slow down pulse rate) I've found a new man with expressive brown eyes to lust and drool over. No, he's not as gorgeous as ODB, but who is, you know? Peter Krause (peering over shoulder to make sure sofa is proper place and then proceeding to faint dead away)

Okay....I finished reading the WOF discussion. Wish I had been there for that one!! I now know more about Jello than I ever thought I would. ;-) There were some great observations. I, too, noticed some similarity to 'Wings of Desire' (BTW, Moon, it comes out on DVD July 1 for the first time ever. I've had my copy pre-ordered for months. One of my favorite films (sorry Karen!)). I'm now going to have to rewatch WOF....which I'm going to do tomorrow (wedding stuff for a friend has kept me busy). Must look for (1) Jello, (2) white 'cover' worn by ODB during 'the scene' (I'll pay special attention to this part), (3) the birthdate on Brian's door, (4) woman speaking about the Titanic and half a dozen (to 10,000) other things.....And I want to thank those that participated and gave info on TS Eliot and other topics and Karen....for the info on Chekhov's character Trigorin. Now my little observation (from the first time I viewed and this probably has no significance at all). Did anyone notice that PO'T initals were CV (a CV being a list of 'accomplishments') and ODB's intials were BS (we know what that means). Now I'll be quiet until I watch again..... And....hey there Jeanie!!! Where ya been?? Lusting after a boy running a mortuary!? Oh the humanity! ;-)

(Tress) Did anyone notice that PO'T initals were CV (a CV being a list of 'accomplishments') and ODB's intials were BS (we know what that means). Excellent! I've always been a great believer that names in lit, etc., are significant. Good catch. (Tress) And....hey there Jeanie!!! Where ya been?? Lusting after a boy running a mortuary!? Oh the humanity! ;-) Not here. email please.

Shouldn't this be in the film discussion topic? Glad you liked it, Tress. :-)

(Moon) Shouldn't this be in the film discussion topic? Per the boss: (Karen) This topic is for talking about films we've already done on the "formal" discussion topic. So if you want to talk about WOF, this is the place. (Karen) Excellent! I've always been a great believer that names in lit, etc., are significant. Good catch. LOL...okay, if you bought that, then Norman Eliot Trigorin is NET. Nets being used to catch things...(Meriam Webster says: an entrapping device or situation ). The book trapped Valentin. It was the reason for his death and the reason he ended up at the hotel with Brian. Now I really will keep quiet and promise to come back after actually rewatching the film with drooler comments! ;-)

No, we already had *the* film discussion of WOF. This topic is for additional discussions of older films. Time to lay off the Cosmos, Moon. ;-)

Saw this on another site (CFFW), some of you may have seen it. So sexy and mysterious ;-)

Time to lay off the Cosmos, Moon. ;-) Oh, hell! LOL!

Annie, that's an AFG pic. Now, about that hair conditioner....;-) (Karen)Time to lay off the Cosmos, Moon. ;-) (Moon) Oh, hell! LOL! Hey, Moon, did you start partying a day early? ;-D

(Annie) So sexy and mysterious (Lisa) Annie, that's an AFG pic Couldn't agree more. I know this site is known for drama vs. rom-com discussions on ODB's career. Can't you just picture him in an epic adventure a la Three Musqueteers: the hair, the clothes, the boots, the sword, the riding...? *sigh*

(Annie) So sexy and mysterious (LisaJH) Annie, that's an AFG pic (Sonia) Couldn't agree more. Hmmmmm.... OMG....He's dead sexy! Look at those eyes! Look at that hair (er...wig)! Look at that stubble! Bring on the puffy pants! Bring on the torquoise suit! Bring on all that angst! I'm ready!!! (LisaJH) Now, about that hair conditioner....;-) Oh...no, no! I like! It's very "17th century bedhead" and I do like that look...makes me think of.....mmmm.......nothin', sorry.... ;-D

(Sonia)Can't you just picture him in an epic adventure a la Three Musqueteers: the hair, the clothes, the boots, the sword, the riding...? *sigh* Ab-so-lutely...an epic...about six hours long...double DVD...

Finally somehow managed to drag my eyes from his face,and, I know I am muppet-minded, but does'nt his sleeve almost resemble an eagle muppet face? O.K., back to his face now...(Tress) "17th century bedhead" LOL!

(MariaT) doesn't his sleeve almost resemble an eagle muppet face? ROTFLMAO!!

It's confirmed then...Vermeer was using another poor innocent to grind his paints for him...Poor Mr.Beaky...

(Maria) Poor Mr.Beaky... LOL....At least Beaker has a nice lab coat to keep from getting all that powder on his clothes....poor Griet has to grind and then wash, grind and then wash....she must be exhausted! I suppose we could lend Griet a hand (and Beaker) and finish up that grinding with ODB? ;-) Okay...watched WOF last night and I knew I would be back here to drool.....I'm so glad he made this film if only because he goes up and down stairs constantly! Up the stairs, down the stairs....mmmmmm.....and there is one scene in particular, when he smiles.....I nearly hit the floor! Brian comes into the dining room. There are about 200 tables where there should be 50. Walks across the room to see Bianca, who is on her knees looking for her earring. And he askes "What are you doing?" (and I love the delivery of this line)....she says "I lost my earring." and then we get "Wot?" GAH!!!! Then he smiles at her....an amazing smile! Full teeth...full dimples. Matter of fact, we get a lot of big smiles in this film. And it's good for mole viewing. There was mention in the formal topic about ODB having a body double (my guess is for the pool dangle scene) because the BD was not used during 'the scene'. All moles were accounted for (even from the back). ;-) Also love this piece of dialogue between Dr. Frisch and Valentin: V: "He's deranged, I'm telling you. Absolutely deranged." F: "You mean a syndrome of sensory hyperconnection?" V: "No! I mean he's f**king mad!" This just cracked me up! And then....when BS and CV make it back to earth. Those last few moments.....ODB is full of stubble! GAH!!! Beautiful! He didn't grow it on the island....but once he got to earth, all that manliness just sprouted! On a more 'serious' note. And I just read the discussion, but cannot recall if this was mentioned. When ODB gets to the front desk for the first time. He says he is "Norman Eliot Trigorin". The desk clerk says "I'm sorry there is no one by that name here" and then ODB says "Brian Smith" and the desk clerk recognizes him immediately. ODB is trying to still be recognized for his writing, but that isn't what made him famous....so he is only recognized at the hotel as BS. Which says something about fame. You can do something really great (like writing), but in the end, you will be recognized/remembered for your infamous activities! I do go on....I'll shut up now....

(Tress)You can do something really great (like writing), but in the end, you will be recognized/remembered for your infamous activities! I do go on....I'll shut up now.... Nono, don't shut up. This film is just chocked with great ODB shots and mind ramblings. I see different angles each time I watch it and was sorry to have missed the original discussion. It's so great to read the literary and literate contributions. I haven't delved much into Chekov so those references were very helpful. I would have missed so much without them. It was also fun to go back and slow-mo at the *door* numbers. This film was made for multiple video viewing!

(Beedee) This film is just chocked with great ODB shots and mind ramblings (...)It's so great to read the literary and literate contributions. Ditto. (Tress) Now my little observation (...) PO'T initals were CV and ODB's intials were BS (...)then Norman Eliot Trigorin is NET. Brilliant! To that end, Bianca: white, lacking color, blank space. Speaking of Bianca, "they tell me I was a singer". She walks around with the recording but did she ever try to sing while on the island? Why does she believe she's a singer but she doesn't believe she's dead? How did the "medical staff" try to make her believe she was dead? And who told her she had amnesia? She says she has all these dreams but does she ever consider them as actual memories and not obscure "clues to the past"? Did she ever talk to Dr. F? "This reminds me of someone," are we to guess it was a guy? Did he look/feel like BS? Was he also in the car accident? Were they shagging and driving? Were they parked and hit by someone else? Were they at home and a car slammed into their room? And what do you make of the vertical shag? Could ODB have been any less into it (pardon the pun?) Questions, questions, questions. (Tress) The book trapped Valentin. It was the reason for his death and the reason he ended up at the hotel with Brian. It's also a reminder of the great big lie he lived on Earth and continues at the hotel until he sees NET handwritten in the book. CV discovers NET is aka BS and realizes he's been found out. He fights it at first and eventually recognizes BS as the writer. From then on, of course, his fame on Earth is fading, his standing at the hotel has declined and his attitude/ego is defeated. Also (yes I do go on :-)) CV put an end to NET's writing career (ok, ok, I'm guessing). BS put an end to CV's life. (Tress) You can do something really great (like writing), but in the end, you will be recognized/remembered for your infamous activities! Agreed. For example, younger generations know Rock Hudson for having and dying of AIDS not for his Hollywood career, and OJ for his criminal and civil trials not his football career. As for BS, he wasn't famous before the murder. His most successful work, the one he could've been known for as NET, was published under the name CV. V: "No! I mean he's f**king mad!" Love that bit of dialogue as well. Other favorites: Journalist: "What do you think of British cinema?" CV: "Oh that would be a v.g. idea" (It's been used before but it still works for me!) CV: "Oh yes the Nobel Prize for literature. Aren't you the man who didn't get it?" BS's exit from the yoga session: love the body language, facial expressions followed by the delivery of "this is bulls**t, I'm off"

Sonia, you're just full of questions! ;-) I need to re-watch this one - it's been a while. It's such an interesting mix of opportunities to dissect symbolism (the jello, for example), sly references to other films, and quirky humor, with some major drooling opportunities thrown in for good measure. BS's exit from the yoga session: love the body language, facial expressions followed by the delivery of "this is bulls**t, I'm off" Love that! Also like the way BS plays cat-and-mouse with CV regarding why he killed him. Nice revenge for the way CV kept ignoring BS's attempts to talk to him back on earth. I also love it when, back on Earth, BS watches CV talking to the "fans" that BS sent him. V. nice. And it's always amused me that Lassie is on the island.

(Rika)Sonia, you're just full of questions! ;-) And they keep coming but I'll spare you for now. ;-) Also like the way BS plays cat-and-mouse with CV regarding why he killed him. Nice revenge for the way CV kept ignoring BS's attempts to talk to him back on earth. Love that too. At those times BS reminded me of Valmont. On the boat trip to the island, CV is in front of BS. Neither man acknowledges the other until the hallway outside their rooms. The metro trip to Earth, CV is behind BS (order restored). Again neither man acknowldeges the other until the bench outside.

(Sonia ) To that end, Bianca: white, lacking color, blank space. Oh...I was going to mention Bianca and forgot about her (thanks Sonia)!! Dr. Frisch (frisch in German meaning fresh, recent). (Sonia) Did he look/feel like BS? ROTFL....uh....I don't know how to answer that!! ;-) (Sonia) She says she has all these dreams but does she ever consider them as actual memories and not obscure "clues to the past"? This is a really good point. I need to pay attention to her dreams more the next time I view it. Okay....and now I want to know....CV was killed and BS dies immediately afterwards. They go to the hotel. That was 1966....I am guessing that it is 1986ish when they come back. Isn't anyone curious why they are back, when they died 20 years before? And why they look so young!? Can't remember if this was talked about on the WOF discussion (I read it but I'm 'feeble minded' and can't recall if this specific thing was covered).

(Tress) Isn't anyone curious why they are back, when they died 20 years before? Oooooooh, good point. And aren't BS and CV curious about the date as well? I don't remember reading that take on it in the discussion. (I may be feeble minded as well). Maybe it's like Back to the Future. They changed the time continuum or something along those lines.

(Tress) Isn't anyone curious why they are back, when they died 20 years before? And why they look so young!? Good point, though the whole reason they were allowed to go back was because pretty much nobody remembered them.

a fast contribution (before i get back to my animatronics due to some renewed agitation on the birthday front)about WOF : i am definitely not crazy about it (at least, i like it better than others. don't get me started on ATA for instance...): sounded like a good joke to begin with (the island and all that), but i thought the joke was running thin after a while and i am not into heavy handed demonstrations anyway ("oh, look, there's albert einstein", yeah yeah). plus character development disappeared behind those gizmos in my opinion. anyway, enough with that, and just a thought about the "i don't remember" routine : interestingly, it struck me (well, apart from the view, of course) as being the absolute opposite of classic romance development, where meeting someone & falling in love equals with total oblivion of the past. the new lover obliterates old ones, and opens up a brand new life for the hero/heroin (hence, endless plots in cheap romance novels where the heroin conveniently suffers from amnesia, is rescued by a doctor/lawyer/fireman with whom she falls in love, and discovers her troubled past in the end). i am not sure i made myself clear here. about the island in itself : it seems to me closer to utopia in a way, in the true sense of the word : no name (which reflects placelessness. plus, the hotel is the perfect exemple of the most anonymous place in the world, where you can even fake identities, eventhough the staff is perfectly aware that you are faking), and out of time, eventhough you can eventually be kicked out (which makes it no hell). anyway, enough of my ramblings, back to the reanimation chamber (igor, pull the switch !).

Sophie, one of the reasons I liked WoF so much is because it reminded me of one of my favourite French films: Alain Resnais, "L'Ann�e derni�re a Marienbad". But I agree with you about ATA. I hated it.

(Rika) though the whole reason they were allowed to go back was because pretty much nobody remembered them. I think the w/d just wanted a "feel good" ending for his film. They could've ended up treading water like the other poor, unfortunate souls. ;-) (Sophie) i am not into heavy handed demonstrations anyway (...)character development disappeared behind those gizmos in my opinion. Which is why the film discussion is so interesting. Not having seen L'Ann�e derni�re � Marienbad and Wings of Desire, read Chekhov or Sartre in a long time, nor delved into the meaning of labyrinths and Jello, I appreciate the many pov expressed in the film discussion. Interpretations I didn't have at the first viewing.

This is from an old article, but I hadn't seen the picture before. Link to the article: http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/stories/052202/ent_052202058.shtml

Oh Annette!!! What a lovely way to wake up! Thank you so much! Looks like he is wearing that Armani t-shirt again (when it was new)!!! ;-)

My, don't you just love to wake up to Annette in the morning?! It's a beauty! Thanks Annette

Love the pic, Annette! Though after doing a bit of digging I have traced it. As the article was a reprint from the Washington Post, I went back to the original (which was syndicated many places) and there's a small, cropped one in color of this shot. However, I do like this big black and and white much much better. http://firth.com/articles/washpost51902.html Thanks so much!

Thank you, Annette. I must have sweet dreams tonight :-)

Annette, you really know how to get my blood boiling early in the morning. Thank you, and thanks Karen for the article.

Oklahoma! fans sing along with me: Oh what a beautiful morning Oh what a beautiful day. I can't believe what I'm seeing How great to wake up this way! Annette and Karen thanks for pics and articles. Lovely, just lovely.

Thanks Annette and Karen! He certainly does b/w photos justice (and color, and period dress, and undress, and suits, and jeans, and boxers, aaaand towels, mmm, etc. etc....

...and don't forget the stubble, the curls, the toes, the hands... Drooling heavy duty just now.

(Maria) Thanks Annette and Karen! He certainly does b/w photos justice (and color, and period dress, and undress, and suits, and jeans, and boxers, aaaand towels, mmm, etc. etc.... (Linda) ...and don't forget the stubble, the curls, the toes, the hands... And there really isn't anything that can be added to that. In total agreement ladies.

Annette - gorgeous photo! I love how it highlights his Adam's apple (one of my favorite parts) ;-)

There's something about him in black and white. The contrasts just make the photo more life-like or something (think beach pic with toes). I've been drooling over this picture for hours now. Thanks Annette and Karen!

(Annette)This is from an old article, but I hadn't seen the picture before. But in the end, the role he is likely to be best remembered for is the brooding Mr. Darcy in a BBC production of Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice." That lavish 1995 miniseries, broadcast here on A&E and seen by more than 100 million viewers worldwide, turned Firth into an unlikely international heartthrob. Firth's not all that handsome -- his neutral actor's face can be substantially altered by expression and makeup -- but having a crush on Colin has become a pop-culture commonplace. What nonsense is this, especially when next to that photo?

I agree. He is so very handsome. And what is wrong with being remembered as Mr. Darcy, the eyes, the wet shirt, wet hair, brooding and wonton looks. Absolutley nothing IMO.

Firth's not all that handsome -- (Shoshana) What nonsense is this, especially when next to that photo? I thought the same thing when I read it! Alona Wartofsky! She's clearly the most dreadful cold fish! How could you not be moved by all that lovliness before you??! Oh well!! More for us! ;-)

Firth's not all that handsome -- his neutral actor's face can be substantially altered by expression and makeup - Maybe she was another of those "journalists" who borrow by reading other interviews and borrowed his descriptions of his own looks;-)

(Beedee) Maybe she was another of those "journalists" who borrow by reading other interviews and borrowed his descriptions of his own looks;-) No, she was right there and the Washington Post had its own photog there too. She did write one of the more bizarre articles about him during that publicity blitz.

(Cyndy) Please ladies! I don't WANT to think of Colin as Orson Wells.......... I don't know...I have heard of this great diet...20 donuts a day and Big Macs for breakfast!! ;-D

I am quite speechless...........(Take advantage here--it won't happen often!) Love the picture ;-)

Nice before picture, Tress. "Rosebud...";-) Hee, hee, hee.

AAAACCCKK!! Tress! (Not gonna think about, nope, not even for Drama...eeeuuuwwww!)

(Karen)No, she was right there and the Washington Post had its own photog there too Well! Then she *is* the most dreadfully *dead* fish! IMnotsoHO!

Sorry for the double post but if Karen wants to make the posting above go away, the text next to the smiley did not show up where I found it, I want the jaw drop, but not the words...sorry)

From what we know about Fade to Black, where Colin might be playing a younger and slimmer Orson Welles, it sounds wonderful to me, except for the director attached (Oliver Parker). It's a film noir-ish thing. Please ladies, let's not condemn something you don't know about. There is info about FTB on the older topics, which you might want to skim through.

Oh yes, John Sayles adapted the screenplay. Unfortunately, that no-talent writer/director Parker is putting his paws on it.

(Barb) (Not gonna think about, nope, not even for Drama...eeeuuuwwww!) But think! They both (OW and ODB) have those great voices! Maybe they could just do a radio show (and ODB wouldn't have to bulk up, because I do like him lean...mmmmmmm.....). ODB does "War of the Worlds"... I actually think the pic looks a bit like Ewan McGregor (with the forehead wrinkles and that expression) (Barb) the text next to the smiley did not show up where I found it, I want the jaw drop, but not the words...sorry Ohhh...It's all good! It's funny.... ;-)

(Tress)But think! They both (OW and ODB) have those great voices! Maybe they could just do a radio show (and ODB wouldn't have to bulk up, because I do like him lean...mmmmmmm.....). ODB does "War of the Worlds"... I was taken aback as a newbie too but on getting more information and looking back at OW the younger I think no one could do it better if someone got a great dialect (not voice) coach. I have a little candle lit for this one! I find the young OW v. charasmatic...no winkie!

When we first heard about FTB, one of OW's movies from around that time frame was on TCM (can't recall which one anymore) and I watched it, specifically thinking about ODB in the role. I don't think it would be at all a physical stretch, and no donuts required. (Beedee) I think no one could do it better if someone got a great dialect (not voice) coach. Yup. That would be my concern - the accent.

(Beedee) I think no one could do it better if someone got a great dialect (not voice) coach. (Rika)Yup. That would be my concern - the accent. He'll have a lot of time to practice in that lemon grove;-)

From what we know about Fade to Black, where Colin might be playing a younger and slimmer Orson Welles, it sounds wonderful to me OW was very handsome when he was quite young. (Karen again) Oh yes, John Sayles adapted the screenplay. Unfortunately, that no-talent writer/director Parker is putting his paws on it. Too bad John Sayles won't be directing it, too.:-( (Rika)Yup. That would be my concern - the accent. Well, he did better with an American accent in the "Lisa tape." ;-) But OW's voice is very distinctive and am not quite sure what to call his accent. Maybe ODB can get his hand on a few old Paul Masson commercials: "We will sell no wine before it is bottled." ;-) Evelyn) He'll have a lot of time to practice in that lemon grove;-) LOL!

(LisaJH) But OW's voice is very distinctive and am not quite sure what to call his accent. Kenoshian...LOL...he was born in Kenosha, Wisconsin, but traveled a great deal overseas when he was very young. I love OW's voice...think ODB could do it...would love to hear him try anyway. Citizen Kane and The Magnificent Ambersons are on my 'top twenty all time favorite films' list (here I go sounding like Rob in High Fidelity again).

Re Welles: ...and the Third Man. He looked great in The Third Man, one of my all time favs. Not only does it have Welles, but also Trevor Howard -- And the best sewers in the world.

De-lukring The Third Man is one of my very fav movies period!! I could see Colin playing Welles, but the accent/voice is going to be difficult. Maybe they could do like they did in the movie "Ed Wood." ;) Vincent D'Onofrio played Welles in that film. According to the trivia for "Ed Wood" at Imdb.com: "The voice of Orson Welles was dubbed by Vincent D'Onofrio and Maurice LaMarche which was combined digitally on a computer." (Whatever that means.) LaMarche was also the voice of the Welles-like "Brain" on "Pinky and the Brain." K.P. (back to lurking and drooling over ODB)

K.P. (back to lurking and drooling over ODB) Great info Kelly! You don't say much but when you do

Yeah, but I wouldn't want someone to dub Colin's voice. I'm sure they'll have it all worked out. He'll learn to do something with his voice that sounds similar to Welles, that is, if they spring for a dialect coach.

(Karen) Yeah, but I wouldn't want someone to dub Colin's voice. I agree! Love ODB's voice too much....if he had someone else doing the dialogue, I think I would be too aware of it during the film and it would bug me....I think (hope) I would know it was ODB, even if he sounded like Welles and not himself. ODB has a great 'commanding' voice (isn't that one one of his teachers once said?). I think he can do it. I don't know what kind of coach they had for ATA (or PM for that matter), but I think in a film like FTB, they would have to realize he would need a bit more 'help'. And thanks K.P! I didn't know that about "Ed Wood". Burton is great about using everything at his disposal...I hadn't heard about the D'Onofrio/LaMarche digital blend. Will have to watch it again (I love Burton flicks....).

(Karen) Yeah, but I wouldn't want someone to dub Colin's voice. Me neither! About ATA I didn't get to see it enough to care about his dialect. After first viewing I concentratet on the "eye-candy" factor. And playmaker - the same! I do sometimes wish, he would do more audiowork. I've even tried to save some of the interviews (with no luck :-(), just to hear his voice. Have to go - family-allert!!!

I'm not sure, which topic to use, so I'll just post here. I had a little doze of P&P this afternoon between this and that and made a silly observation. Remember Julian (the purple shit-face or whatever)? Well, I'm sure the actor was very inspired by David Bamber playing Mr Collins. The way Julian almost "bows" as he talkes about the Dutchess of Kent is just as seeing Mr Collins at the dinnertable at Longbourn. I was amazed, I hadn't noticed before - but perhaps it's because I've been skipping every scene without Mr Darcy for a very long time. We have to make use of what little time we have, ey! And while I am posting, I talked to Tress about the soundtrack for BJD. Does anybody know, when Killing Kind is "used"? On our version it's not listed in the credits. (Tress, this is not to stop you from investigating but perhaps others would like to participate ;-) Another matter, inspired by my last post (sorry to post twice in a row, but no postings for 2 days, really not v.g.). Someone (Shoshana?) mentioned something of watching P&P without hearing anything (hairdryer, was it?). I would actually like to have an audiotape of all the episodes. There is so much wonderful dialogue and music, that I think it would be a real treat. Perhaps we could persuade BBC to release this along with the "cuttings" mentioned earlier.

Thanks to a very dear friend and a fellow-poster I am fortunate enough to have the P&P sound track and listen to it often. I love the music on it. It's so wonderful. Would love to have an audio version too. That would get me through my housework just fine.

(annette) Someone (Shoshana?) mentioned something of watching P&P without hearing anything (hairdryer, was it?). I would actually like to have an audiotape of all the episodes. (FanPam) Would love to have an audio version too. Yes! I listen to books on tape/cd all the time (long commute) and have never never never found a good P&P. I'll ask around at work, with all the tech available, shouldn't we be able to make a sound recording off the DVD? Just wishing maybe. I really do enjoy the voice . . . (FanPam) That would get me through my housework just fine. Yes! or yardwork or paperwork . . .

(CeeJ)Yes! I listen to books on tape/cd all the time (long commute) and have never never never found a good P&P. I'll ask around at work, with all the tech available, shouldn't we be able to make a sound recording off the DVD? Just wishing maybe. I really do enjoy the voice . . . Yes! or yardwork or paperwork . . . Or dishes, laundry, cooking....... I wear a "fanny pack", as though I needed anything to accentuate my hips. This made the comment, on was it the Lisa tape?, of Colins all the more funny. He was remarking how different words and phrases meant different things here and there. There is a very good (I think and Hen does too I think;-))P&P Recorded book that I have been taking out of the library for many years. The reader is Flo Gibson, who's voice is off putting at first (especially after ykw's)but you soon forget this and enjoy the story. I don't know of a soundtrack of the P&P2 voice etc. I've tried to tape from DVD without success but we all know of my technoboobishness;-) I listen to books on tape all the time too. In and out of the car now.

say good night Gracie.....

(Annette) Does anybody know, when Killing Kind is "used"? Wasn't it used over part of the closing credits? DH has the DVD player busy right now or I'd check.

(Annette) Does anybody know, when Killing Kind is "used"? (Rika) Wasn't it used over part of the closing credits? Yes, it's used in the closing credits, right after the childhood montage. Maybe accompanying footage in the movie ended up on the cutting room floor.

(Rika) Wasn't it used over part of the closing credits ...yes, and the music video just after the creits.

Thank you so much for the informations, ladies :-) And thank you Maria for the picture - very droolable indeed ;-) I remembered as soon as I saw your postings. Another BJD-thing. In Europe they released a new video early this year with a few interviewminutes with HG and CF. Are they released in the US as well? Next music-question: "Angel" with Robbie Williams. Which scene is this one played?

(Annette) In Europe they released a new video early this year with a few interviewminutes with HG and CF. Are they released in the US as well? Not that I've seen or heard of here in the States. Lucky Europe! Would you share what's in the HG and CF interviews? Is is anything new? "Angel" with Robbie Williams Are you referring to Not Of This Earth? If so, it's in the closing credits after Killing Kind.

(Sonia)Would you share what's in the HG and CF interviews? Is is anything new? Off course, I will. I think HG gets 4-5 minutes and CF about 3 minutes. CF says the words "when you're in love" and I've never heard him say anything as lovely. It sounds so "heart-melting". Anyway - I'm not sure I'll be able to make a transscript untill after my vacation, but then I would be more than happy to oblige :-) And I am referring to Not of this Earth - silly me! I never get to see further than the credits, then I'm off to other droolable moments (with pictures, if possible ;-))

(Annette) It sounds so "heart-melting". Crikey! Will patiently wait for your return from vacation (hope you have a great one). Out of curiosity, since the US and Europe versions of BJD have different ending credits, what music is played on the Europe version? In the US it's Have You Met Miss Jones followed by Killing Kind and ending with Not of this Earth.

(annette) Someone (Shoshana?) mentioned something of watching P&P without hearing anything (hairdryer, was it?). I would actually like to have an audiotape of all the episodes. LOL! I do this all the time. It's easy to hook-up your VCR or DVD to a tape recorder. Plug your audio link into the aux on the recorder. Most stereos with recorders have this, I'm sure. Then you just play and tape. I find it funny how much I enjoy listening to the tapes even though I could sit down and watch the movie on TV. One can never get enough of that voice, I guess :-)

(BrendaL)One can never get enough of that voice, I guess :-) Nevahh!!! (isn't that, how it's spelled? ;-)) If only I had the hardware mentioned, I'm sure I would be a true proficient like you ( ;-) ), but alas and alack I have not. Anyway - thank you for the information. I'll save it for future use, I hope ;-)

I do seem to have taken on a bad habbit of posting twice in a row, but - it can't be helped. I need help on a most urgent matter: I just saw a few minutes of FF (guess where). A few minutes later after Joe has been at the tatoo-place he goes with Elijah (?) to some strange arty-funky place. There are people doing weird things and people who are freezed into one position. The last of the "freezed" people is dressed a bit like a mummy and I'll bet you anything you like, it's Colin! Perhaps some of you have allready seen this, then I apologize, but I have to know if anyone know if it really is him, dressed like that.

Annette, I remember this scene and I am sure it is Colin although I never paused to wonder why, exactly...I'm not sure they even had a reason except that it was supposed to be an "arty-funky place" where people did weird things.. Helllloooo Mummy!!

(Maria)Helllloooo Mummy!! LOL, you are so funny ;-) If there ever was an discussion of this movie, I'm sure someone has figured out some "metaphore" or "emphasis" or whatever it is called, when something seemingly indifferent is put into a movie. I must admit, I haven't looked for any discussion. My main reason for watching FF is purely the "eyecandy-factor" ;-)