BTW, I'm sure I've left out someone besides Martin Sheen. He was just the strongest one to come to mind at the moment.

(Evelyn, on LE) Did not get good reviews. That must not have been universal because I've read some very good ones. But I can imagine that this wouldn't have appealed to everyone. (Jeanie) Oh wow... just finished watching SLOW for the first time. I have to vote Matthew in for "the best hair" role. He was simply beautiful. Told ya!!! I want to add to what Jeanie said about our Firth-a-thon on Friday evening. I had to be in Nashville this weekend for a convention, and I had Friday evening free and knew Jeanie lived in the area, so we arranged to meet. We had pizza and watched episodes 1-4 of "Lost Empires." Jeanie is just as much fun in person as in her posts, but now I'll be hearing all her posts in my head in the cutest Southern accent. :-) We made some discoveries: (1) You know that infamous stage direction in P&P for the "On foot?" scene? We found a place in LE where that same stage direction might have come into play. It's in Episode 1, when Noni (the flirtatious French acrobat) is coming on to Richard in the theater while he's waiting for his turn at band call. The look on his face..... well..... time for visual aids (the photo on the right is from immediately after she walks away): (2) There's a scene near the end of episode 2 where that Russian woman takes Richard aside and tries to warn him about Julie ("you will be broken in pieces"). We watched it a few times trying to decide if it's Richard or Colin who's struggling to suppress a smile. Either way, it's a real treat watching him trying SO hard to suppress the dimples. I don't blame him for having to fight back the giggles, because that woman is hilarious. (I tried to do a screen capture, but you've gotta see the dimples in motion to appreciate it.) (3) The kissing, which Jeanie has already mentioned. Verrrry nice. No lessons needed back then. (4) A certified count of seven "Wot?"'s in episodes 1-4. (5) Jeanie spotted the most delicious smirk. It's late in Episode 4. Richard and Uncle Nick are walking into the agent's office without giving the officious secretary a chance to announce them, and Richard is enjoying her distress tremendously because she was so rude to him when he tried to ask her about Nancy's whereabouts. It's funniest when you see him wearing the smirk as he walks through the door, so here's an "action sequence" (these are somewhat out of focus because he was moving fast):

(Rika) trying to decide if it's Richard or Colin who's struggling to suppress a smile. Either way, it's a real treat watching him trying SO hard to suppress the dimples Just got my LE this week but having a difficulty finding the time to sit long enough to really concentrate on it. Can't wait to come upon this scene and all the other little tidbits you pointed out. Thanks Rika and Jeanie. Glad you two had so much fun.

(Dorine) I'm just saying that success in TV, does not translate to success in movies (and vice versa). Look at David Caruso, for example. He's not back on TV because he's done so well with movies. He's been in quite a few, but would not say that medium was good for/to him. But DC is a red-headed goober, with the sex appeal of a dishrag, IMO. He must have gotten professional advice from the same person guiding Shelley Long ("Cheers") and Suzanne Sommers (wasn't that the name of the blonde from "Three's Company"?). When an actor suddenly becomes a hot property on TV, (s)he sometimes feels a successful film career is the next logical step. Unfortunately, sometimes that level of success on ONE television show is, instead, the high point of that actor's career. (Pam) I agree good TV would be a wise career move. A&E BBC HBO... I think it would be good exposure. And even series today aren't as time consuming for actors as they used to be. I can't imagine CF doing a TV series at this point, much as I would love it for my own selfish reasons. However, I feel that taking part in a quality TV production for A&E, BBC, HBO, PBS or similar would be a good thing for ODB. If the part is a good one, then the exposure couldn't hurt, IMO. After all, he may bemoan Darcymania, but P&P certainly didn't hurt him, either financially or professionally. He hasn't been typecast as a perennial Regency hero, and P&P definitely led to other roles. I really think he just needs a new agent, or some better professional guidance.

(Dorine),Look at David Caruso, for example. He's not back on TV because he's done so well with movies. He's been in quite a few, but would not say that medium was good for/to him. DC lives in Miami and stars on CBS's top rated show CSI Miami.

(Kathy) Suzanne Sommers (wasn't that the name of the blonde from "Three's Company"?). Ah yes, but turns out she didn't need TV shows anyway..she discovered infomercials! ;) She's more successful now because of her books and Thighmaster. And agreed about DC, he is flat, but he *is* better received on TV. I'd love to see ODB on more quality TV movies on HBO, etc. But it's not often that there is true success on both TV *and* Movies. As you say... sometimes that level of success on ONE television show is, instead, the high point of that actor's career..... P&P definitely led to other roles That hasn't been his *only* success certainly, but so far, it has been, popularity-wise, his pinnacle, the role he has been trying to live down....he may bemoan Darcymania. Plus it depends on his definition of success in the business. If it's to be working on a fairly regular basis, then he is *very* successful. If it's to get critical plaudits, he has been very successful with that, too. If it's to be an A-list actor who gets a gazillion dollars for each role, then not. If it's to work consistently in projects that interest and challenge him professionally, I would also say that's been sporadic. As we've read, he bemoans that point, as well. It would be nice though if ODB could do *very, very* well financially though, so he could pick and choose and wait it out for the really great roles (drama if that's what he wants). The other night, went to a BAFTA screening of The Quiet American with a Q&A with Michael Caine after. Someone made a comment about how much they liked his movie Last Orders, but it was a shame that no one saw it. He commented that now he's financially in a position to take parts that he loves in small movies on a regular basis if he chooses, such as the next one he's doing in Texas with Robert Duvall and Haley Joel Osment. He and RD play the eccentric Texas uncles of HJO. Forgot the name. Looked it up, too. To top it off, Miramax will be pushing MC for Oscar consideration for The Quiet American. And this for a movie that sat on the shelf for a year.

(Dorine),Look at David Caruso, for example. He's not back on TV because he's done so well with movies. He's been in quite a few, but would not say that medium was good for/to him. (Moon) DC lives in Miami and stars on CBS's top rated show CSI Miami. I'm not sure of your point to this comment except that you may have taken it as I was implying that he isn't successful on TV. I was saying he was not successful in the movies and subsequently landed back on TV. Sorry if I didn't say it clearly. :-)

(Tress)they called it Dreamtime? I found it on Yahoo Shopping (none available at this time, in case anyone was wondering),... LOL. We probably bought them out.Drool made a run for it... (Evelyn, on LE) Did not get good reviews. (Rika)That must not have been universal because I've read some very good ones. But I can imagine that this wouldn't have appealed to everyone. Apparently it came on the heels of Brideshead Revisited and people expectations were higher than LE. Like you said: limited appeal. Like Nostromo which was released a yr after P&P. People expectations were not for that type of project. They expected another P&P. LOL No way is Joseph Conrad gonna be like Jane Austen!

(Evelyn) No way is Joseph Conrad gonna be like Jane Austen! You are correct, m'dear! I just bought Nostromo, in the middle of watching it for the first time now, one episode left to go - I have never had such a hard time watching one of his movies! I have to hold back from fast forwarding. It's just not for me. Although I am curious to see the outcome as I am not familiar with the story. But it's just not very good, IMO! Yes he's good at the restrained englishman yet again, but still...

Sorry, Karen, I know this is probably the wrong place to post this. A very clever girl called Berry has created a montage of scenes from P&P and BJD to 'Out of Reach' by Gabrielle. (This was on the same site that had the very interesting snappie from PM). I think you'll like it!!!!!! http://www.green-sector.de/media/pride_bridget.zip

(Emma)/(Evelyn) No way is Joseph Conrad gonna be like Jane Austen! You are correct, m'dear! I just bought Nostromo, in the middle of watching it for the first time now, one episode left to go - I have never had such a hard time watching one of his movies! I have to hold back from fast forwarding. It's just not for me. Although I am curious to see the outcome as I am not familiar with the story. But it's just not very good, IMO! Yes he's good at the restrained englishman yet again, but still... I agree. And I have tried to watch it. Maybe its the storyline, but it's not my cup of tea either, Emma. Do like Colin in it and love his look, but just can't get into the story. Will keep on trying though. So glad you had such a good time Rika and Jeanie. Now LE is certainly my cup of tea, although can agree that it may not appeal to everyone. What great observations as I have watched atleast 20 times. One of my favorites and thanks for the great pics. There is so much to be observed in that movie. When Noni is coming on to him its the same time his voiceover is saying that he finds Nancy, Noni and Julie sexually attractive. Good stuff. Agree the dimples are in overaction in talk with Russian lady. I think Richard is a bit surprised that she is having this conversation with him at all, and possibly smiles are of embarrassment and amazement. As he honestly doesn't feel that everyone notices his tongue touching the ground or his eyes glazing over whenever he's around Julie Blaine. Great Stuff. And the "smirk" so appropriate. He's enjoying Nick's clout and letting her know it. "Don't *f* with me bitch." Love it. Wish I could watch this with you. Just love the whole thing, even the people I hate in it. Love the Italian and their friendship. On the train when he goes into the dining car and sits with him, then they both eye the woman who just left him as she walks down the aisle. How cute is that. One of my favorite scenes could and do watch that over and over. Then Richard says, "How do you do it?" So funny. Love it. Also love the whole first time with Julie sequence. Totally believable and so well done. The look in his eyes when he first sees her. Oh God, then the way they are sleeping together and their arms and hands are entwined. Oh God, Oh God. Wish I was Carmen. Just once. Now that I am totally drooling will go to sink and do dishes. Might not be so obvious then. Then will have to watch it again. Can't help myself. (Dorine) I'm just saying that success in TV, does not translate to success in movies (and vice versa). Look at David Caruso, for example. He's not back on TV because he's done so well with movies. He's been in quite a few, but would not say that medium was good for/to him. About TV. Certainly did not mean to imply he should do crap. He wouldn't to begin with IMO. But the opportunity is there for good exposure and it would give us more of a chance to see him. TV is not all bad actors, I enjoy alot of them. The fact that he has a solid movie career will not put him in the same boat as some of them. KS I think is a very good actor as evidenced by 24. And JG was critiqued on a local radio show, of course keep in mind this is the NY area, as one of the best actors the interviewer knew. So it's all a matter of opinion which is the basis of entertainment choices anyway. IMO It's a very personal thing, IMO what and who appeals to each of us as well as what we each find entertaining. And isn't that wonderful. Thanks for the most enjoyable link, Janet. Good stuff.

(Emma B)I just bought Nostromo, in the middle of watching it for the first time now, one episode left to go - I have never had such a hard time watching one of his movies! Most of it was not Colin's fault. If you think the film is bad, try reading the book! Joseph Conrad is unfilmable; more sublplots than you can count.To compound the issue the director went for an international cast ( for funding, no doubt!).The myriad of accents don't help. Look at the last episode... put it away for a few months . Then give it another shot.There are outstanding moments...the mine scene for instance! And then there's Colin riding around on those little ponies. Read the film discussion we did about 4 yrs ago. The boss did some extensive research.

Have to go back for an instant to TV and David Caruso -- You have to like red heads, but if you do, and got to see him as John Kelly on NYPD Blue, you would know he can be sexy and full of gritty charm. And he was good as Russell Crowe's sidekick in "Proof of Life." These CSI Series' are not a good test for real acting, IMO. Still, I am glad he has a hit. James Gandolfini got great reviews for the Coen Brothers "The Man Who Wasn't There," and he was the best thing in that awful Pitt/Roberts film, "The Mexican," playing, of all things, a gay hit man. I think he will have a successful film career after Tony Soprano's last goodbye next year. ..now back to our regularly scheduled actor.....

(FanPam) I agree. And I have tried to watch it. Maybe its the storyline, but it's not my cup of tea either, Emma. Do like Colin in it and love his look, but just can't get into the story. Will keep on trying though. (Evelyn) Then give it another shot.There are outstanding moments...the mine scene for instance! And then there's Colin riding around on those little ponies. I have just tried to watch Nostromo (twice) for the first time, this past week...I can't get past the 1st tape. I love ODB to death, but I'm just not getting into it. I read an interview w/ CF and he said he read the book out of pure pig-headedness (or something like that). That he found the book tough...I find the movie tough. Will make it through though!! And about the horses! LOL...could they have been any smaller? And did they give them speed?? Watch their little legs just go! It's very funny! ODB needed a stallion (not a pony)! (FanPam) About TV. Certainly did not mean to imply he should do crap. He wouldn't to begin with IMO. But the opportunity is there for good exposure and it would give us more of a chance to see him. TV is not all bad actors, I enjoy alot of them. The fact that he has a solid movie career will not put him in the same boat as some of them. When I first mentioned James Gandolfini and Keifer Sutherland, I realized I was mentioning actors in series. I don't think ODB should do a series! And like Pam, I don't want him to do crap either! I was thinking more in the line of a P&P2 series (Like 'Band of Brothers' type stuff). If you think about it, his best work (IMO) has been television stuff! Conspiracy, Tumbledown, Donovan Quick, P&P2, LE (BTW, thank you Rika for all the captures! The expression on his face in each one is so funny!)...I want more of that if he is gonna do WAGW and L'dum on the big screen (though I haven't seen WAGW, I just don't think it will be in the same league as Tumbledown). Would have loved to have seen him in "The Forsyte Saga"...

Would have loved to have seen him in "The Forsyte Saga"... As Soames? Ouch:-(( Perhaps Boissney, but that's not the lead.

(Evelyn)Look at the last episode... put it away for a few months . Then give it another shot. Exactly, I enjoyed it the second/third time around. The convoluted plot started to make sense. Also, after awhile, I forgot about the plot and concentrated on the only worthwhile reason I was watching this in the first place. Life was better after that.:-) (FanPam)If you think about it, his best work (IMO) has been television stuff! Conspiracy, Tumbledown, Donovan Quick, P&P2, LE I agree, and a few well done, and well placed TV dramas IMO, wouldn't hurt the film career, but might enhance the recognition of his work. Would have loved to have seen him in "The Forsyte Saga"... It may have held my interest more.

(Tress) Would have loved to have seen him in "The Forsyte Saga". I would have loved to see him in the remake of Rebecca that PBS did in 1997. What a beautiful Maxim de Winter he would have made! Would have been a much better choice than Charles Dance, IMO. Except they couldn't have had Emilia Fox as Mrs. dW, as it would have seemed incestuous since she played Georgiana in P&P2.

(Evelyn) As Soames? Ouch:-(( Perhaps Boissney, but that's not the lead. LOL...I was actually thinking Young Jolyon (don't get me wrong, I really like Rupert Graves in that role)! Boissney would have been good as well... (lindak re: Forsyte Saga) It may have held my interest more. If ODB had been in TFS, I wouldn't be able to tear myself away! I may have even tried to find some reason why Irene was so lovable to so many...instead of just saying 'they're all crazy...must be in the genes!" (KathyF) I would have loved to see him in the remake of Rebecca that PBS did in 1997. What a beautiful Maxim de Winter he would have made! Yes! Though, you're right, it would have been a bit 'awkward' with 'Georgiana' playing Mrs. dW! It would give me a bit of an icky feeling!! ;-)

(Tress) LOL...I was actually thinking Young Jolyon (don't get me wrong, I really like Rupert Graves in that role)! Agreed on both counts. And like Linda said, it would have held my interest more. I kept watching but I've been gradually losing interest. Max de Winter..... ohhhhhh...... YES indeed, that would have been a good role for him. I'm sorry to hear the comments about Nostromo. I have it but haven't watched it yet. Guess I'd better plan on it for some time when I have absolutely nothing to distract me (like that's gonna happen). (Pam) On the train when he goes into the dining car and sits with him, then they both eye the woman who just left him as she walks down the aisle. How cute is that. Yes, I love the timing of that! Jeanie and I had a good laugh at that.

There are movies I have watched because someone said they were great and I hated them and wondered what I was missing (The Piano for instance--and please don't try to convert me.) There are movies I have loved and will play over and over (any number come to mind...P&P---and don't tell me that was TV, Much Ado, Casablanca, etc.) Then there are those I can't say I "enjoyed" but which I count at least...worthwhile? Regarding Nostromo, I don't know what it was about it, but I ....hmmm... I can't say I enjoyed it, but I found it compelling (train wreck?) and I watched it all (it was one of the first I watched, post-obsession) and I think I enjoyed it some because I just purchased it and am anxious to watch it again. This is one of those I put down to ODB's conflicted character enjoyment and really try to focus on the character. I guess to say, to those having trouble watching it, I focused on Charles and Emilia and their relationship. Her needs and expectations, her love and support of him, and his progress ve possession by the mine and the role that was there for him, I found it very watchable. If you read into that the fact I feel they could have totally ignored Nostromo and his story, well, you've got it right. This reminds me, I've not done an archive search for existing notes, now that I have it, maybe I should read them before I re-watch it.

Barb, I'll keep that in mind whenever I get around to watching Nostromo. It sounds like a good way to approach it.

(BarbS)Regarding Nostromo, I don't know what it was about it, but I ....hmmm... I can't say I enjoyed it, but I found it compelling (train wreck?) and I watched it all (it was one of the first I watched, post-obsession) and I think I enjoyed it some because I just purchased it and am anxious to watch it again. This is one of those I put down to ODB's conflicted character enjoyment and really try to focus on the character. I guess to say, to those having trouble watching it, I focused on Charles and Emilia and their relationship. Her needs and expectations, her love and support of him, and his progress ve possession by the mine and the role that was there for him, I found it very watchable. If you read into that the fact I feel they could have totally ignored Nostromo and his story, well, you've got it right. I'm with you Barb, their relationship (and the mine scene)is a good point of focus...Although it is impossible for me to know if it is something I would have watched if ODB had NOT been in it, because I am so skewed when it comes to him and enjoy watching him so much that there never seems to be enough time with him on film...

Glad everybody feels at home here...now if we could only get some of those lurkers out there to come out & join in the fun.

(Tress) Would have loved to have seen him in "The Forsyte Saga"... Me too. What a delicious Soames he would make. (IMO would have to be Soames, meatiest roll and most screen time) Irene would have to do some real acting to justiy leaving him though. Not enough screen time as Bossiney and not good enough roll for him IMO. I think RG is perfect as YJ so would keep him in that part. Soames, IMO, should be played by an actor who can do it all and CF is the one for that. He'd be great as a nasty mean man. He doesn't have to be the hero or be nice all the time, IMO. (Linda) It may have held my interest more. I agree 100%. I would even opt to buy it if he were in it. (Kathy) I would have loved to see him in the remake of Rebecca that PBS did in 1997. What a beautiful Maxim de Winter he would have made! What a perfect roll for him. I agree. If he can hook up with Caroline B who we know Darcy didn't like, he can hook up with Georgiana. I guess not many British actresses out there. And if you would feel "icky" seeing him act with Emilia Fox then its just another tribute to the fine acting jobs they did as Darcy and Georgiana. IMO. In watching all the movies I have of his it's very common to see alot of the same faces in different movies. It doesn't distract from the movie for me, but I'll say to myself he/or she was also in....

(FanPam) In watching all the movies I have of his it's very common to see alot of the same faces in different movies. It doesn't distract from the movie for me, but I'll say to myself he/or she was also in.... It's a good sign (IMO) to see the same faces in his films. Makes you think he isn't a difficult person to work with...Judi Dench seems to enjoy him (even though he is a trout), Rupert gets along with him (now), Irene Jacob (survived L'dum after MLSF)...there are a lot of actors he has worked with 2 or 3 times! I am keeping fingers crossed for TEoR! Though I enjoy him more in dramas, I just love Bridget (and can't get enough of her character (and Mark Darcy)). Still, Emilia Fox as his wife in Rebecca would have been a bit weird for me (like you say, it was the good acting done by both that would make it tough for me to accept them has lovers and not brother/sister)... I have decided that I need to read the Nostromo discussion prior to starting it for the 3rd time! Does anyone remember what topic it was on??

Rika, thanks for the yummy screen captures! The DVDiva strikes again! I didn't realize you live close to Jeanie; when HS opens we'll all have to get together for a screening--I live less than 2 hours drive time north of Nashville. Jst a reminder--TIOBE releases to DVD & video tomorrow!!!!!!

Rika (and Jeanie) Thanks for the LE screen captures and thoughts...Must get LE soon!! How great it must be to watch and rewind with a like minded soul!! I have finally talked my gay friend into a little film fest at my house in a couple of weeks (AZ, AC, undecided on RV...) but I can't REALLY let it all out with multiple rewinds and such as I'm sure you two did...Next premiere, play, or opening...I am kissing frequent flyer miles goodbye and hope to meet some of you there!

(Tress)Though I enjoy him more in dramas, I just love Bridget (and can't get enough of her character (and Mark Darcy)). Absolutely, I'm sitting here lurking and posting with BJD on in the background. It's on Starz right now, and again this evening. You know how that guilt thing is. And, I just never can get enough of Mark Darcy. (Evelyn)Glad everybody feels at home here I felt that from the first day I posted. Thanks to all of you, this is home.

(Tress) Loved his look in Dutch Girls! Was going to suggest to SandyM that her 14 year-old daughter might enjoy that one as well. Very young, very handsome, sweet movie (does have a red light district scene, but fairly tame stuff compared to other 'teen movies'). Coincidentally, I received my recently purchased copy of DG in the mail last Fri and watched it that night. As you say, fairly tame. Am only a bit leery of the scene towards the end where we finally get to see what is in the suitcase that the strange, lecherous classmate with the bad complexion and ugly spectacles has been toting around. All manner of "prosthetic devices" and other things that I don't think I want to try and explain. ;-) (Pam) He just makes it look so easy and that's because he's so exceptional. (Kathy F)I agree totally. Unfortunately, this might keep him from getting the recognition he so richly deserves. IMO, many awards these days are being given to those guilty of overacting. It often seems that an actor who doesn't go "over the top" hasn't a chance of winning an Oscar, Emmy, etc. (I don't know if this is true for Tonys, because I haven't seen anything on Broadway in years.) I always thought the sign of a great actor was his ability to make the audience see him as whatever part he was playing, and not as an actor playing a part. To me, this is what CF does so well. He totally becomes his character, with every look and movement incorporated in his portrayal. A bit off the subject, but I wonder if his ability to so completely become a character, including looks and movements discrete to that character, has something to do with his having a less-than-Hollywood-sized ego. Am wondering if this might (somewhat) explain his ability to throw off his own persona and take on the persona of the character. By the same theory, am wondering if another (less-desirable) symptom of an under-developed ego might be his seeming unwillingness to aggressively pursue projects.

(Moonstar) I didn't realize you live close to Jeanie I don't - I just happened to be in town for the weekend for a convention so we arranged to get together. Incidentally, are y'all okay, with the tornadoes and storms?

(Rika) Incidentally, are y'all okay, with the tornadoes and storms? Thank the Lord yes, but I was at the hospital with my dad when they went through. We were sitting in the ER, he was to be admitted and we were waiting on a room. They had to move EVERY patient whose room was on an exterior wall. We waited in the ER for about 4 hours for a room. My dad was

(ARG....can't believe I sent that off so quick...) ...not a happy camper. But we came through it here ok. Some south of here not so lucky though.

(MariaT) ...Must get LE soon!! Highly recommend it! It has just hours and hours of goodies! ODB is just plain ol' yummy in this one! It may have gotten bad reviews by some, but I don't really know why...thought the story was good, the acting great....and did anyone notice the ferret? Not every movie has a ferret (it was supposed to be a polecat, I think, but they used a domesticated weasel...made me laugh!). (SandyM) As you say, fairly tame. Am only a bit leery of the scene towards the end where we finally get to see what is in the suitcase that the strange, lecherous classmate with the bad complexion and ugly spectacles has been toting around. All manner of "prosthetic devices" and other things that I don't think I want to try and explain. ;-) Ooops! Forgot about that bit! Sorry! Glad you viewed it prior to letting her watch it...what a fun conversation that would have triggered... ;-)

Went to see TIOBE last night - it closes on circuit on Thursday, but I NEED to know - in the singing scene inside, WHAT was he wearing under his pants?

No tornadoes here in Hendersonville, but a few miles north in Portland one touched down and destroyed a home or two. I just feel so sorry for the people east of here who experienced an F5. I think there's only been three F5s ever recorded in Tennessee history. As of last night they still had 15 people missing, and seven dead already, and a multitude seriously injured. They need our prayers, I think. (Leah) Went to see TIOBE last night - it closes on circuit on Thursday, but I NEED to know - in the singing scene inside, WHAT was he wearing under his pants? LOL... a chew toy?

Okay, What's a chew toy?

(SandyM)I received my recently purchased copy of DG in the mail Where did you get it? I can't find it anywhere.

(SandyM)I received my recently purchased copy of DG in the mail (NitaE) Where did you get it? I can't find it anywhere. Ebay. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(Rika) Incidentally, are y'all okay, with the tornadoes and storms? I live in Hart County, in south central KY, and we got a lot of hail, wind & lightning, but fortunately that's it. A co-worker's nephew, who lives in OH, unfortunately was killed in the same storm system. (Rika) I don't - I just happened to be in town for the weekend for a convention so we arranged to get together. Bummer! I thought if you lived close by, then three of the newbies could get together for a HS screening in March. Oh, well... BTW, anyone know if Karen will be back anytime soon? I sent in my donation, and haven't received a confirmation that it arrived.

(LeahP) Okay, What's a chew toy? LOL...Jeanie was making a funny...chew toy...plastic toy that dogs chew on (they usually squeak, my dogs are crazy for them...). The scene right before ODB walks into the house, there is that dog jumping up and down in front of him (like ODB has one stuffed down his pants)! ;-) Look at Darcy Drool and I think Elizabeth S posted a better picture of it. ;-D Okay, okay, has anyone gotten TIOBE yet? I'm stuck at work and will get it later...any good commentaries or extras??? Hope everyone is okay...between the tornadoes down south and the earthquakes in Alaska...geez! Stay safe!

(Tress) Okay, okay, has anyone gotten TIOBE yet? I'm stuck at work and will get it later...any good commentaries or extras??? What a bummer! Just drove around everywhere on my lunch hour and it seems they've delayed the release of IOBE another week in Canada. I was looking for a copy to buy, but it isn't even for rent this week!!!! ARRRRGGGHH! Up until yesterday, stores thought they were getting it in. Another week of torment!

Can we please keep the TIOBE DVD discussion on the main Firth topic, i.e., 165, because it's . . . current!:-)

Myou, I just spent a few hours driving around Edmonton trying to find tiobe and no luck here. This is what happened when BJD came out so I'll take it as a personal insult to Colin :-( It's this sort of thing that makes me use amazon.com!

(Tress) and did anyone notice the ferret? Not every movie has a ferret (it was supposed to be a polecat, I think, but they used a domesticated weasel...made me laugh!). YES! What was the deal with that? "Here, Mr. Firth, please hop into this hole in the ground and lie down.... now, somebody, cue the ferret."

(Rika) "Here, Mr. Firth, please hop into this hole in the ground and lie down.... now, somebody, cue the ferret." Are polecats popular in Europe (was ODB supposed to be in France at the time)? I mean, do they run around like squirrels? I don't know, and the whole thing is too funny to me. Why a ferret/polecat? Rats, maybe, or mice...still, I would have gladly been the ferret wrangler on that set..."Don't panic, Mr. Firth, he won't bite...I'll just place him here, on your belly." ;-)

(Tress) (was ODB supposed to be in France at the time)? Yes, he was supposed to be in France. I couldn't figure out what the animal was for either, unless in the real war it was supposed to be a rat crawling in the trenches, possibility, and no one would film with a rat so they used a stunt rat. Only thing I can think of.

(LeahP)Went to see TIOBE last night - it closes on circuit on Thursday, but I NEED to know - in the singing scene inside, WHAT was he wearing under his pants? A microphone, perhaps? ;-)

(LeahP)Went to see TIOBE last night - it closes on circuit on Thursday, but I NEED to know - in the singing scene inside, WHAT was he wearing under his pants? Seems that I need to explain what I saw - two pairs of pants - if no one else saw this, I can understand, I only picked it up on the 4th viewing, (what with face and hands to look out for!) - but it looked so ... (here I am at a total loss for words...)

I have a general question (hope this is the proper topic) to pose. Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? I find these pop into my mind often. For instance, this year my DH and celebrated our 18th wedding anniversary. When asked by others which anniversary this year was, my mind immediately fixed upon the argument between Sarah and Paul in FP where he shouts "Eighteen years! Eighteen f***ing YEARS!!! Of course, could not actually say this, but it did give me an internal chuckle. Or when someone is being unknowingly rude, I want to say "Have a care, Dawkins", although am sure the person would have no idea what I am talking about. Am I the only one this happens too?

(Sandy m) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? "Nevah" "Too many ladies.." "What's fifty miles of a good road.." "On foot?"..(in Lizzie mode)"As you see..."

(SandyM) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? "Nevah" (an all purpose one that is used daily) "Her/his (fill in the blank) Louisa!" (use this almost daily) "Impossible" (the way Lizzie says it when she hears of Charlotte's engagement) "Go and have a lie down" (Is this from LE? I think someone was saying it earlier this week...this one has been big for a couple months with me) "F**k" (okay, I'll blame Paul Ashworth, but have been using this one for years..I have a potty mouth) There are many others, but I cannot think of them all...mostly from FP and P&P2. There are many I don't say aloud, but think of all the time...someone around me will say something and it triggers a CF Flashback...;-) (FanPam) I couldn't figure out what the animal was for either, unless in the real war it was supposed to be a rat crawling in the trenches, possibility, and no one would film with a rat so they used a stunt rat. Only thing I can think of. LOL....Stunt rat!! That's funny! Maybe ODB doesn't like rodents, so they substituted the little domesticated weasel...there were rats in "Hostages" though (and I remember a roach or something similiar falling on ODB at one point as well, so I cannot imagine he is too squeamish). A preference by the director perhaps. Maybe someone's pet on the set! "Bring in Mikey's ferret! We'll use him in the trenches!" ;-)

(Sandy m) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? Sandy, I may not say it out loud (they already think I am a loon, esp. the DH..) but you can be sure those phrases are always lurking in the backround..some stick in your head and you love, like "Fraser Pettigrew!" some you wish you could get rid of , such as "It's soooo refreshing!". Obviously any phrase of ODB's is welcome to lodge itself in my mind as I have no problem hearing that voice regardless of the character!

I haven't seen LE but (domesticated) ferrets in France are used to hunt for rabbits... You send them on one side of the rabbit hole and put a bag at the other entrance. So think of ODB as a bunny! :)

(Tress) "Go and have a lie down" (Is this from LE? I think someone was saying it earlier this week...this one has been big for a couple months with me) It may also be from another movie, but I know it's part of the Jack/Algy banter during the closing credits of TIOBE.

(Rika) It may also be from another movie, but I know it's part of the Jack/Algy banter during the closing credits of TIOBE. LOL...And that is where I got it! I bought the CD (I am a true CF geek) just for the two serenades. I play it on a loop (just those two songs) while I get ready in the morning! "Why don't you go and have a lie down old man while I finish this bit?" "Go easy dear fellow" "Watch out I'm coming through"...all great lines! I obviously needed my latte prior to posting and you can tell I didn't listen to that particular CD this morning...I was listening to Bridget Jones 2 just to mix things up a bit...(which I recommend if anyone hasn't gotten that one. It has more songs from the film...Van Morrison on this one, plus an accoustic version of one of the songs on the first CD).

(mari)Can we please keep the TIOBE DVD discussion on the main Firth topic, i.e., 165, because it's . . . current!:-) (doing horrible german accent) Paaapahs... do you havez yourrr paapahs? (running away and hiding from Mari) ;-) =PPP I thought TIOBE wouldn't belong in "current thread", frauline,because it's already done its circuit at the theaters.. (confusion reigns again) (Sandy m) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? Wot?

(SandyM) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? Just about constantly! I say them out loud whenever they can possibly be fitted into the conversation, and then I'm so pleased with myself for having snuck another one in! I use a lot from FP (the 18 years is a favorite, and everything is "poxy"), and also love to quote from P&P2. "Have a care, Dawkins" and "Drive on, Rossiter" are two favorites of mine, as well as "happy thought, indeed!"

(KathyF...and everything is "poxy" I use "poxy" as well! FP is a great film for increasing your slang vocabulary. Yob, Axminster, got the hump...I found a site a while back that explains a lot of the slang and gives a run down of some of the Arsenal players: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/9482/gloss.html

(running away and hiding from Mari) ;-) =PPP LOL, no need to run from me, Jeanie. If it ain't Firth, I don't chase it.;-) We've had so little news recently and 165 looked lonely. The DVD and its special features really are *new.*

(SandyM) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? Crikey! So it would seem.

(Sandy) I have a general question (hope this is the proper topic) to pose. Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? Not only do I quote lines, I speak with the same inflections, like half an English accent. It's like learning a language while you sleep. Go to sleep to a video and wake up with an accent. I like the look of perplexity on my kids faces when I really get into it on purpose. Such fun. *f* and bollicks are favorites too.

(FanPam) Such fun. *f* and bollicks are favorites too Oh yeah...When my phone rings for the umpteenth time at work I also favor "would you please please please just ***king ***k off" . But of course with his voice it sounds glorious...

Whew! It isn't only me, then. In present company, I am suddenly feeling *almost* normal. But don't despair. It will pass--no doubt more quickly than it should). :-D

SandyM) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? A small sampling: "I'm quite put out!" "Wot?!" "Eighteen (f***ing) years!"---for use with or without the f**k "It's not the smoking, it's the suckiness" (I think that's how it goes; haven't been able to watch FP for a while due to cranky DVD) "Chech-ny-AH!" (Tress)someone around me will say something and it triggers a CF Flashback...;-) LOL! That happens to me ALL the time!

(Moonstar) "It's not the smoking, it's the suckiness" "It's not the smoking, Steve. It's the crapness." One of my favorites, also (and I was just saying it about 3 minutes ago). How could I have forgotten "bollocks!"? I usually link it together with "poxy" if I'm really peeved. And of course, one I used all the time at work -- "I shall conquer this!"

(Sandy m) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? I often call the boss... ... "Foolish antelope".When SLOW was new, we used to say all those funny African sayings that Nimi's mom tells her. Jack to Miss Prism: "Mothah" "Bugger Off"is a fave.

Re phrases: I use "So-and-so is all politeness" and "I am all astonishment" a lot. Also, definitely "Happy thought indeed." Also, "You delight in vexing me." Unfortunately, the all-too-frequent rejoinder is "And yet I am unmoved." (Got a real smarty-aleck for a DH.) I also use "I'm sure I should love sea-bathing" or whatever (ala Lydia.) I find this is most effective when I can give it a good chest heave...oh yeah, and I mostly just use this on the DH :-D I have reached the conclusion my education is sadly limited as I have not yet seen SLOW. "Foolish antelope?" I think I can hardly wait. The really scary thing? I was informed recently that something was "Capital, capital" and that "Life holds few distinctions but we have the silliest boy..." I think I need to obsess more privately in the future.

My most-used: "Where are all the other tarts and vicars?" Wot, you don't think there's much call for that?;-)

(Mari), My most-used: "Where are all the other tarts and vicars?" Wot, you don't think there's much call for that?;-) LOL! Once a paaarty girl always a paaaarty girl. ;-D

(Sandy) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? So it would seem...but out loud? Only at home (with my cats), LOL. Chech-ny-AH! Bolllocks! (when the cats have knocked something down) I am all astonishment (when I come home and the cats have knocked *many* things down);-) This makes me sound like a certifiable cat lady, LOL! Actually I use a bunch of phrases amongst people, but not usually so they can hear me. Can't bear to explain the origin *every* time. ;)

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My contribution to oft used phrases... Hot pot's reeeeady (or substitute some other word for hot pot as is required eg "dinner's,") and said with the same voice inflection. Favourite of my DH - "Ooh Jones" when I am wearing my stomach and thigh holding in granny pants Lots of others - but can never think of them when you want to !!!

Hot pot's reeeeady (or substitute some other word for hot pot as is required eg "dinner's,") and said with the same voice inflection. Nevah heard this one before - where does it come from? ps I've only seen VERY few.

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(Me) "It's not the smoking, it's the suckiness" (KathyF) "It's not the smoking, Steve. It's the crapness." One of my favorites, also (and I was just saying it about 3 minutes ago). I knew someone would be able to correct me; thanks! Last year, I bought FP from a Canadian retailer off the 'net & lately my DVD player won't play it; so, I'm a little rusty on my FP references. (BarbS)Unfortunately, the all-too-frequent rejoinder is "And yet I am unmoved." LOL! A DH who can quote it right back to you? I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. (annea)Hot pot's reeeeady (or substitute some other word for hot pot as is required eg "dinner's,") and said with the same voice inflection. That one's a mystery to me as well. Please enlighten!

Hot pot's reeeeady (or substitute some other word for hot pot as is required eg "dinner's,") and said with the same voice inflection. LeahP: Nevah heard this one before - where does it come from? ps I've only seen VERY few Leah, this is from MLSF - not said by CF but by his grandmother-in-law

(Sandy) Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? A few little confessions here in the same vein...I also like to do the Elizabeth skip run thing from the great dane scene when I cross my lawn to get the mail aaaannnd when I am on the treadmill at the gym I favor the BJ walk with the groceries (sans the tuna) while thinking of that fun Artful Dodger song in my head. And lastly, whenever going up stairs it is v.v. important to wear a smug little grin and wiggle about a bit as BJ does after giving notive to DC and the bit about Sadam's ass...

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(Moonstar) I knew someone would be able to correct me; thanks! Last year, I bought FP from a Canadian retailer off the 'net & lately my DVD player won't play it; so, I'm a little rusty on my FP references. As Pam and I are currently plodding along in the world's slowest (my fault, entirely) email discussion of FP, I'm pretty familiar with the dialogue. Then, too, this has been my favorite line of the film ever since I first saw it. Don't know why. It cracked me up then and it continues to amuse me each time.

(KathyF) "It's not the smoking, Steve. It's the crapness." One of my favorites, also (and I was just saying it about 3 minutes ago). That's one of my favorites as well...along with the Mark Strong comment near the end..."Jes*s Paul! You need medical help. You've got some kind of disease that turns people into miserable bastards!" That whole scene just kills me...I'm a big fan of the dialogue in FP. Carpeting the ceilings, men as colonizers, sister's don't have seasons (ODB's 'yeah, whatever' response/delivery is too funny after that line)....good stuff.

I use FP dialogue all the time like: I'd pay extra Eighteen years, eighteen, f***ing years (DH and I were married 18 yrs in July that line was in my head all week) That was just a one-off And my favorite streak of bad language: S**t, F**k, Bollocks (when things go really bad, or I bump my toe on a chair-which I do several times a week. BTW, the FP soundtrack has wonderful voice overs from the film. My daughter always says, Mom, it sounds like Colin is in the back seat and is having a conversation in our car. Play it loud enough, and you'd swear he's talking to you. I do that several times a week, too:-) and no one would film with a rat so they used a stunt rat.

(lindak) BTW, the FP soundtrack has wonderful voice overs from the film. My daughter always says, Mom, it sounds like Colin is in the back seat and is having a conversation in our car. Play it loud enough, and you'd swear he's talking to you. I do that several times a week, too:-) Oh my! I think I'll have to run over to Amazon & order a copy just for the voice-overs! LOL about your daughter calling him Colin, like he's an old friend. Are you training her to like 6"1", curly-haired, dark-eyed men? :)

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(Sandy)Does anyone else ever find themselves using phrases from ODB's movies when interacting with others? I must "confess" I do this a lot too. "I long for a ________" (fill in blank for what I long for, i.e. vacation, dinner chef, new CF movie). "My feelings are quite the opposite." BTW, I loved your hairless discussions too. I was LOL and nodding my head while reading those! All I can say is... "This is Bridget Jones searching for more hair on arms, legs, and chest ;-)."

(Maria T) ...aaaannnd when I am on the treadmill at the gym I favor the BJ walk with the groceries (sans the tuna) while thinking of that fun Artful Dodger song in my head... The coolest thing was that when I first moved to London in August, I was grocery shopping and they actually played that Artful Dodger song over the loudspeaker - I almost got emotional about the whole thing, except I knew I would have looked a little weird about it. Never mind repeating movie lines (of which the whole Bridget script is my favorite repertoire), how about the fact that I just bought myself some Milk Tray! What kind of snack food is that?! And who else would buy something just for the literary/movie reference? Sorry, am asking the wrong people =).

(EmmaB) And who else would buy something just for the literary/movie reference? I almost did you one better. I was in a public loo in Cambridge this summer, and there was a Durex machine on the wall. I seriously thought about making a purchase, and it would have been entirely as a souvenir with an FP connection!

(EmmaB) And who else would buy something just for the literary/movie reference? (KathyF)...and there was a Durex machine on the wall. I seriously thought about making a purchase, and it would have been entirely as a souvenir with an FP connection! LOL...Kathy! You didn't buy one?? I know this is not the same as buying something, but I have thought that I would like to have a turkey curry buffet (complete with mini-gherkins and stuffed olives)...I did, however, buy "The Famished Road" by Ben Okri because Mark Darcy mentioned reading it (I can't remember which BJ book...though)...and of course, I haven't read it yet. ;-)

(Tress) LOL...Kathy! You didn't buy one?? Believe me, I was very tempted. But the thought of going through customs with it scared me a little, so I backed off. Lucky for me, because guess who ended up being one of the lucky ones who was randomly pulled aside, frisked, purse completely emptied and searched with the little wand! I would have been so embarrassed!

(Moonstar)LOL about your daughter calling him Colin, like he's an old friend. Are you training her to like 6"1", curly-haired, dark-eyed men? :) Just a very specific 6'1", curly-haired, dark-eyed man:-) (EmmaB) And who else would buy something just for the literary/movie reference? Does a grey turtleneck sweater count? Saw one just a few days after I watched BJD for the first time,(not till last January), and I had to have it. Everytime I wear it I think of Mark Darcy. Come to think of it, I think of Mark Darcy a lot, with or without the sweater.

(EmmaB)And who else would buy something just for the literary/movie reference? It's bad enough that I'm inspired to buy things referenced in movies, but I even got the Mango Chutney (Sharwood's, of course) from Lisa's UMS story. And it's very good mixed with a little barbecue sauce and spread on grilled pork chops, by the way :-)

(moonstar) Oh my! I think I'll have to run over to Amazon & order a copy just for the voice-overs! Just an FYI moonstar...there is one on ebay right now (I'm trying to find a FP screenplay and it came up in my search). It's listed at about 4.50 (significantly cheaper than Amazon), but has 6 days left (no bids). BTW, the voice-overs alone are worth it (well, it also has The Who and Van Morrison...)!

(Tress)I'm trying to find a FP screenplay Hope you find it, I got one in excellent condition from e-bay last spring. And Moonstar, if you can pick up the soundtrack at 4.50 go for it, the one I purchased from Amazon was 32.00! But worth every poxy penny.:-)

Dorine said: "Actually I use a bunch of phrases amongst people, but not usually so they can hear me. Can't bear to explain the origin *every* time. ;)" That's right, you've got to vary the answers, haven't you? ;-) Actually, I find myself having CF "flashbacks" constantly! Sometimes I'll have one of those deja vu moments and it takes me 20 or 30 seconds to figure out why - and it's always because someone's said something which resembles a line from one of his movies... it's almost an illness, I tell you!

(Linda) And Moonstar, if you can pick up the soundtrack at 4.50 go for it, the one I purchased from Amazon was 32.00! But worth every poxy penny.:-) Amen, Moonstar, 4.50 would be an incredible price. But if there are six days to go in the auction, anything can happen.

(Jane) Actually, I find myself having CF "flashbacks" constantly! LOL, I thought it was just me! Should've known better. Thanks for the info on the FP soundtrack. $4.50 is a bargain, but in six days who knows what it'll be like; I'll keep an eye on it.

(Jane) Actually, I find myself having CF "flashbacks" constantly! (Moonstar) LOL, I thought it was just me! Should've known better. I had sort of a flashback (it was a "flash" anyway!) in an odd situation. I was just trained by my diocese to be able to take Communion to shut ins. There was a whole group of us from all over the diocese for training, it was a special thing to be part of. I had not made special notice of one of the other people there until in a group for role-play, he smiled. "OMG, he reminds me of someone...who?!" Then it hit me....the dimples, the nose, the eyes, he looked like ODB! But he had short hair...clipped short the way we were talking about CF maybe doing some day. Well, I will just say I made a masterful effort to wrench my attention back to the task at hand, but not before deciding I could be a little more flexible on ODB's possible future hair styles!

(Leah)Had to watch this again. I keep forgetting to watch his hands, and then I have to rewind and remember to watch again, and then I miss it and have to watch it again... Do I have a problem? Of course, as you well know, I love his hands, so I noticed the thumb rubbing thing. Karalou, a fanfic writer, picked up on that little nuance as well, because she mentions Darcy's nervous habit several times in her "Assumed" stories... "Georgiana looked over at her brother, who seemed quite calm, except for the nervous rubbing together of his thumb and index finger. It was a habit she had come to recognize as meaning that although he appeared calm on the outside, on the inside he was quite anxious." Barb, if Catholic men often look like you know who, then I'm tempted to convert. LOL! Knowing my luck, though, they'd all turn out to be priests.

(Barb S) Then it hit me....the dimples, the nose, the eyes, he looked like ODB! But he had short hair...clipped short the way we were talking about CF maybe doing some day. I'm tellin' ya...he'ld look REALLY good with the short hair! Lucky you to have a 'double' sighting! I have never had one of those even. There are two people at work who keep telling me that one of the research engineers looks like ODB...I laugh at them, cuz I know him fairly well (he's a good friend of the DH)...I keep telling them, "No, it's Colin Firth I like, Aaron looks like Dougray Scott!"...then I got, "Who is DS?" (Jeanie) Of course, as you well know, I love his hands, so I noticed the thumb rubbing thing. I'm big on the digits too! I watch ODB's hands and feet all the time (even to distraction, as I sometimes miss his face if his hands are doing something interesting). The thumb rub is one of my favorite things about the letter writing scene. I also like watching his hands as he talks to Lizzie at Pemberly (after the 'wet shirt' scene) as they walk. Anytime he brings them up to his face *sigh*...and my hand obsession is why I noticed that he tends to hug his female co-stars under their armpits, not around the shoulders...loved watching his hand in TIOBE when he catches the rose and holds it out to Algy (during dance hall scene). His thumb has a cool little bend in it... Good foot scenes?? Watch his feet in PM, while he sits at the piano...spreads his toes (love this). In FF (now I'm listing all his good movies, notice?), when he is talking to Billy Zane (ODB is leaning back against a wall), he keeps 'wiggling' his toes...(and as an aside, I also noticed he didn't wash his hands after he pee'd in this movie...thinking about the hands again).

(Tress) Good foot scenes?? Watch his feet in PM, while he sits at the piano...spreads his toes (love this). In FF (now I'm listing all his good movies, notice?), when he is talking to Billy Zane (ODB is leaning back against a wall), he keeps 'wiggling' his toes Ooohh!! I'm a big big of the digits myself! Also in FF when he comes down the stairs barefoot there is a nice place to stop and examine the "dogs"...