LeyLines, Feng Shui, polarization. Copper bracelets with magnets in them. Please let us discuss the topic from the lunctic fringe to the deadly seiously scademic.

OK, Marcia. I'm here... and i still have no idea what leylines are. educate me please. :)

Welcome, EsBee. Happy to oblige even though Maggie is the one with them running near her house. Mind you, I deal with scientific and proven stuff usually, but this fascinates me. So, here goes: In the early 1920's Alfred Watkins wrote a book called The Old Straight Track. One day, when he was out riding his horse across the countryside, he paused on a hill. He noticed that the entire landscape was crossed by glowing network of lines standing out like golden wires, intersecting at the sites of churches, old stones and other places of traditional sanctity. History of Ley Hunting The story of how, in the early 20th century, a Hereford miller suddenly realised that all around the countryside ancient sites, monuments, earthworks and other features could be shown to be arranged or placed in alignments, is a fascinating one. It resulted in the development of a view of prehistoric society markedly different to that held previously. The man was a native of Hereford, one Alfred Watkins. Having lived his whole life in the Herefordshire countryside, he knew it and its people intimately, and was interested in the history and folklore of the county, much of it being learnt from the village folk and farmers that he met. He was a leading figure in the local natural history society, the Woolhope Club, and a well-known County Councillor and magistrate. One interest that was put to good use when he came to write up his discovery was photography; Watkins was a pioneer in this field, inventing an exposure meter that was for forty-five years or more universally recognised as the beginner's sure guide to correct exposure. On 30th June 1921, Alfred Watkins was at Blackwardine, and was looking at a map with no particular object in mind when he noticed an alignment that passed over some hilltops and various ancient sites. All of a sudden, there occurred what can only be called a flash of insight or a revelation, and the features that he was so familiar with in the landscape became linked in a whole system. Alien Watkins in a biography of his father describes how his father's mind was "...flooded with a rush of images forming one coherent plan. The scales fell from his eyes and he saw that over many long years of prehistory, all trackways were in straight lines marked out by experts on a sighting system. The whole plan of the Old Straight Track stood suddenly revealed". Alfred Watkins later described this plan: Imagine a fairy chain stretched from mountain peak to mountain peak, as far as the eye could reach, and paid out till it touched the high places of the earth at a number of ridges, banks and knowls. Then visualise a mound, circular earthwork, or clump of trees, planted on these high points, and in low points in the valley, other mounds ringed with water to be seen from a distance. Then great standing stones brought to mark the way at intervals, and on a bank leading up to a mountain ridge or down to a ford the track cuts so deep so as to form a guiding notch in the skyline as you come up. In a bwlch or mountain pass the road cut deeply to show as a notch afar off. Here and there, and at two ends of the way, a beaconfire used to lay out the track. With ponds dug on the line, or streams banked up into "flashes" to form reflecting points on the beacon track so it might be checked when at least once a year a beacon was fired on the traditional day. All these works exactly on the sighting line...

They were called "ley" (pronounced lee) lines because they passed through so many villages with names ending in "ley" indicative only that the Danes had names the place long before. There are also E line around the entire earth: http://www.surreycmc.gov.uk/outreach/roundwld.htm E-line round the world! When plotted on a globe, the E-line goes through the immediate areas of some very significant places. One is Mount Everest, the highest mountain in the world. Its Tibetan name "Chomolungma" means "Goddess mother of the world". Crossing the equator, the line goes right through the middle of Australia, and seems to go through the location of Ayers Rock. To the local tribes of Australian aborigines, Ayers Rock is a mount of the gods, totally enveloped in legends and myths. Caves, shelters and other minor features of the Rock are associated with memories of cultural heroes of the Dream Time, and sacred rites continually make this time operative in the present. The first and last rays of the sun seem to set the rock on fire with spectacular colour changes, and even for white Australians a trip there takes on the dimension of a pilgrimage. The line continues through the southern tip of South Island, New Zealand, then swings north again to go through the area of the famous Lines of Nazca in Peru. Lines run with bullet-like straightness across the pampa for mile after mile, and can only be appreciated properly from the air. A number of patterns and shapes are among the lines, including birds and spiders.

Ok all you leyline followers. I'm gonna go hunt you a map so we can all follow them.

The E-line, which we had been following across Surrey and Kent, goes through the chalk figure of the Giant, near Cerne Abbas when extended westwards. We found the line as wide and powerful as usual, much wider than this line plotted by Eileen on the aerial photograph which appeared in "The Ley Hunter's Companion" and "The Ley Guide", by Paul Devereux, which represents its centre. Note however that it skirts the Trendle (or Frying Pan) earthwork near the Giant. The real line would take in the whole of the Trendle. The other line is the one found by Paul Devereux.

This map shows the Eline and the euy ines they were following in the comments above:

Fascinating Marcia, thanks! I have just returned from Santiago de Compostela, Spain (where the Apostle St. James is buried). As you know there is the famous pilgrimage from Lourdes to Santiago which pilgrims have been doing since the Crusades. These pilgrims all travel with a scallop shell which they hold towards the Sun when the Sun is at a certain angle and a line appears from the light. It deliniates the Western line that takes them to Santiago. Botticelli knew of this when he painted Venus on the scallop shell. These lines are also the ones that birds follow during their migrations. Homing pigeons have been very useful in times of war because of it as well.

Here is a link with the info.: http://www.iranon.org/jacobeo/en/index.htm

Moon, thanks! Indeed, these lines of magnetism do exist. Thanks for pointing out a very old and very verifiable one.

Mmm thanks for creating this Marcia. The info is fascinating. Apparently most of our (English) really old churches are built on ley lines. There is certainly something going on and I suspect that there is a rational explanation if we but knew.

Mayhap we need to learn the knowledge we have forgotten...It is fascinating!

I know zip about this topic, but here goes: It concerns the magnetic lines and water, lots of water, i.e., the Pacific Ocean, how did the Polynesians and Melanesians ever find those islands in all that watery expanse? Granted New Zealand is pretty big, but some of the islands the settled are literally tiny specks of land. Did they just set out and hoped they hit land before their supplies ran out? Did they follow birds? Or did they somehow discern oceanic ley lines?

The Vikings used polarizing sunstones to keep them on course. The Polynesians used the Sun in the day and stars by night and during storms tried to keep on course by lashing the rudder in place. They reinact this epic expansion almost yearly. Please check this url http://www.kitv.com/Voyage.html It is graphics intensive and takes a while to download but it tells the story better than I could. Will hunt for more things from the Polynesian Voyaging Society, the parent group of these voyages. Thanks for bringing it up.

This link is even better: The Polynesian Voyaging Society has maps and all sorts of good information on the voyage underway even as wel write: http://leahi.kcc.hawaii.edu/org/pvs/

this is way cool. do the ley lines cross through easter island as well? oh, and the giant is fascinating. i watched a show about that on discovery. it's amazing how big he really is! and the spiders and such are equally as fascinating. suppose we link this topic with physical phenomenon in paraspring? (and how did you get your globe to show up?)

The E line does. Gotta post a E line map when I find one. I think we need tolink it but since this is already established, it will create a new one on your conference just as collecting rocks and Jurassic Park did here. My globe on the cover page? I discovered it was in the cfconfig (hit the you are host in this conf to get there). Scroll down till you hit the big empty boxes in which we write commands. I found the /~cfadm file which had the globe in it and since I had downloaded it my own files, I ftp'd it to my /marcia files then went to the web got the location of the globe went back to that box and pasted the new address and deleted the old one. Hit the "save this file" or whatever it says..and voila! Need help? I can get into your cfconfig too and help you!

Now you have me wondering about the Bermuda Triangle and the magnetic force found there. Is it also on one of these lines?

There are several of these "triangles" around the world, and they are, as I recall, considered "magnetic anomolies." Let me to some research and get back to you. Thanks for bringing it up.

Two of the several theories of the Bermuda Triangle from:http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/warminster/167/theori.html Theory #5 - Boom! This is a theory by the US Navy. The investigation centers on the possibility of electro-magnetic gravitational and atmospheric disturbances that might be possible for disintegrating craft. The Lost Patrol reported seeing a large ball of fire in the skies. Could 5 planes collide and then joined by a sixth? The investigation believes that the fireball was could have been created by the impact of the patrol and it's rescue ship with a disintegrating electro-magnetic force. Theory #6 - Magnetic North This is one of the most famous Bermuda Triangle theories. It has basis on the following (high school student)physics: A compass DOES NOT always point to the true north but rather to the magnetic north. This phenomenon is referred to as compass variation. As a sailor or pilots circumnavigates the earth this variation changes, at times as much as 20 degrees. The navigator must always compensate for this error he may find himself far from where he thinks he is. One interesting note (that forms the basis for this theory) is that there are two places that point to the magnetic north: the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Sea area. There have been reports of pilots saying that they were confused as to direction. A typical example is the reply from Lt. Charles Taylor on Flight 19 when he was asked by the radio tower as to his position. His reply was "We are not sure... We seem to be lost..", then a few minutes later "We cannot be sure which way is west... everything is wrong... strange... we cannot be sure of any direction." Or could this simply be a disorientation in a man's own mind? Hard to say.

hmmmm..... (about linking it with physical phenom)

Yup, and I cannot do it until I can get in there via telnet (of which they supposedly have allowed Terry one account - but I see 4 logins via telnet) I tried to telnet in from Hawaii on Line and did. But, when I try to login, I get the usual "login invalid." Either we will have to wait for one of them to do it or wait till Terry finds a way to grant me telnet access to do it myself. *sigh*

I believe certain points on the Earth have been discovered where in a range of about 200 yards, a compass needle will point south, for reasons that are not clear to the scientists who have tested this. From memory (I read this article years ago) one spot is in the Arizona desert, and five such spots have been claimed in mainland USA. The Bermuda Triangle could have been providing (maybe only temporarily?) a larger form of such a phenomenon, I suppose.

(Wolf), (about linking it with physical phenom) This topic gets better and better. That is a great idea. I hope you are able to crack that tel net access, Marcia.

Mark, you are correct...those magnetic anomolies do it every time. Whenever I flew to Britain over the pole I hung a floating compass from the tray in front of me and watched it wander out of control for 5 hours as we were near the north pole. It must have been very difficult to navigate in the early days. Little wonder the early Norsemen used polarizing stones to set their course. I'll put the anomolies on my "look up" list. Moon, it will happen...just have to wait till Terry gets the Telnet accounts figured out or someone has the time to do it.

Woo Hoo, Wolfie, we are linked by the magic of our personal magician *grin* *Hugs*

this is great!!! thanks magic man!! *hugs*

Anne Hale promised to post in here but until she gets around to doing so I shall post some things she sent me about ley lines in UK were she grew up: I shall if you give me the name of the topic post some more stuff on Ley lines - I visited once during my studies of the subject an Iron Age Fort on top of the North Downs near Leith Hill - the highest point in the South of England all of 965feet!! The interest is that 9 parishes met at that point - all finishing in a narrow point and radiating out into the flat lands below. The whole area around my home town is so ancient. Ashtead was a small Roman village with a tile factory, my home town Leatherhead was called Leddrede at one point in time and the historical society there has much to offer - maybe I will check to see if it is on the net. Boxhill of Emma fame too has some very interesting history - a man was buried upside down at the top many, many years ago. The walkway along the White Downs just a mile or two away from Boxhill is certain to contain Ley Lines - or at least that is what we believed when we travelled along it. my stamping ground is Surrey, Hampshire and Sussex and sometimes Kent. Denis' home town Ammanford in Dyfed has some rather scary standing stones - you get the strangest feeling there. I will try to get him to talk on the Ammanford Standing stones - they are in a circle and of course his part of Wales is full of druidical places. They are still Welsh speaking there and sometimes quite fey

Marcia, thanks for the Polynesian Voyaging Society links. Navigation by using astronomical bodies, shows a rather high degree of cultural sophistocation. I took an anthropology class which compared and contrasted 3 highly developed pre-literate societies: the Buganda of East Africa, the Tahitians, and the Hawaiians. The class did not touch on navigation though. I'm still curious if magnetism had some play in Polynesian navigation. The Giant must have been a bit of a shock to Victorian tourists. Is there another Giant (Rude Man) in Wiltshire, near the Uffingtion Horse and Stonehenge? Also what is the relationship of ley lines to prehistoric stone constructions,i.e., Stonehenge, Avebury, Carnac (Kerrec) in Brittany, and the strange stone constructs on Malta.

Ah, now you are getting to my most favorite subject - Things Megalithic. They Are stone, after all! More on this in a moment... If you scroll down on the Poly Voyaging Soc site you will see the link to the Hawaiian Star chart by which they navigated. It is difficult to use magnetism over that much water. I will check it out, but I think they did not use it. They had NO iron whatever!

Oh, yes! The Victorians "modified" the giant and it was only through modern techniques that the original specifics were re-discovered. However, his 12' (3.65 M) long "member" is longer than originally. It now extends to his navel which it did not originally. There are several fake giants (and white horses, as well), but there is a red giant (have to look this one up for you and get back to you - I have dozens of books on these subjects!)now densely overgrown in the woods in mid-England.

Lest you think all Ley Lines are in every place but USA, check this Seattle, Washington map. A larger map is available http://www.geo.org/qa.htm#tof Has anyone here read about Rennes-le-Chateau? Want to discuss that, as well?

From http://www.geo.org/dowse1.htm#4 Primary water is a totally below-ground hydrological cycle and therefore is not affected by drought. Primary water is found at most ancient monuments and temples. Usually, there is a water dome or even a well or a spring at the center of the monument. A water spring, the place where water is available for use from the surface, is a natural spot for building a sacred place. By marking the site, or distinguishing it from other places, the monument becomes "holy ground." The close relationship of water lines and springs with ancient monuments was established by M. Louis Merle and Reginald Allender Smith in the 1930s. Both these men were dowsers, or diviners of water; they could locate underground streams and springs without using scientific instruments. Merle established that ancient monuments were situated over the crossing of underground streams. Smith went further to say that springs are constantly present at the centers of stone circles and earthworks. This discovery indicated that the selection of sites for ancient monuments was not arbitrary, but a conscious decision based upon the presence of underground water.

How about sacred geometry...?

Lest you think all Ley Lines are in every place but USA, check this Seattle, Now, that might explain the the phenomena known as Bill Gates. ;-) This discovery indicated that the selection of sites for ancient monuments was not arbitrary, but a conscious decision based upon the presence of underground water. That is exactly what happened in Bath, when the Romans settled there, they chose it because of the hot springs. The Giant is on the smaller road on the way back to London from Bath which we did and I can tell you it is an amazing site to behold. Has anyone here read about Rennes-le-Chateau? It rings a bell, Marcia, please tell us more. :-D

Aloha Moon...thanks for your comments. I knew there was a good explanation of the phenomenon of Bill Gates. *lol* You are right about Bath (the origin of that "Saturday night ritual" in so many cowboy movies). In the Spring, there are still well-dressing festivities all over Britain, all of which have some ritual significance. Some really popular ones have been Christianized (as has everything else at Glastronbury.) Rennes-le-Chateau starred prominently in the book Holy Blood Holy Grail and deals with the Merovingian dynasty in France, the Knights Templar and ultimately with one-world government. The best part of it deals with sacred geometry and ancient things in the landscape along with the best history of early France I have ever read. The book's conclusions are odd at best, but it was intriguing enough that I bought its successor and a third by one of the same authors!

Congratulations, my dear! This is a great topic, and you are a vast source of knowledge, as usual.

Thank you, and *hugs* for saying so. I always welcome a fellow adventurer into the ancient and esoteric. Please stick around and post.

I come here to be informed. As I said I know zip about this subject. Okay, I do know a little, thanks to those posting here. Please let me clarify on the subjects of the Polynesians and magnetism, I thought it might have something to do with birds. Since birds go on massive migrations using magnetic fields, among other things to guide them. That's the theory anyway. But you're right Marcia, it's pretty tough to use magnetism if you have no iron and there's that much water. Wasn't Bath a holy place to the Celtic inhabitants of Britain before the Romans arrived? They are the hottest springs in Europe. Was Aquae Sulis the Roman name for Bath? Please let us know what you uncover on the Red Giant.

Polynesian Navigation is ongoing as we speak as the Hokule'a sails for Hilo on the return voyage. Check it out at the Polynesian Vpoyaging Society website. Nearing Islands the Hawaiians used birds for homing in on the terra firma. That and clouds forming over mountain peaks and glows from eruptions. Any water source in Europe has been revered from time immemorial. In fact, the source of the Seine was a much visited shrine of pilgrimage. Thermal springs were more revered - especially if they were the healing sort. Bath under various names was revered way back into pre-history. Chartre Cathedral was built on a "pagan" shrine so popular to the mother goddess that the only way to stop them coming to visit it was to put the cathedral to a new god over it. Of course, during a later synod, they incorporated the mother goddess concept into Christianity as the Virgin Mary. (Don't flame my posts - look it up. It was NOT my doing!) Have discovered the red giant. Everyone knows of the Uffington White Horse...the oldest extant hill figure in Britain. There was supposed to be a lost red horse near Tysoe near Banbury, Warwickshire. Whilst hunting for the horse, S. G. Wildman discovered not a horse, but a whole collection of other figures - what appeared to be a human figure 160'(47 M) in height wielding a whip or rope; a bird with its head pointing upward; behind them was an unidentifiable animal. Below them all was the figure of another animal perhaps 300' (51.44 M) long. They were never excavated, but on contemporary pictures, others were able to discern them from oblique angles. (from "Mysterious Britain" by J&C Bord)

Oh, and you are correct about Aquae Sulis being the Roman name for Bath. Translated, it is water of the Silures, a powerful Keltic tribe in the area.

Chartres was very much an important site to the goddess. Interestingly, until well into the 19th century the moon was referred to as "Notre Dame" in very rural parts of France.

Very interesting! (...and how did that 's' get left off of my Chartres?!) Underneath this civilized and regimented modern facade we wear are the real roots of our knowledge of the earth and what made it special and how to be in tune with it. I hope we can tune in again before all signs and lore are gone and forgotten. However, I hasten to add that the book I cited is of what the Archaeology establishment considers "Lunatic Fringe" and a lot of things they espouse is a bit "out there."

I posted this in my Mali topic and Marcia has asked for it to be posted here as well. Comments? Dogon Theory of Creation The Dogon people are an indigeous tribe who occupy a region in Mali, south of the Sahara Desert in Africa. They live in the Homburi Mountains near Timbuktu. They are believed to be of Egyptian descent. After living in Libya for a time, they settled in Mali, West Africa, bringing with them astronomy legends dating from before 3200 BCE. In the late 1940s, four of their priests told two French anthropologists of a secret Dogon myths about the star Sirius (8.6 light years from the earth). The priests said that Sirius had a companion star that was invisible to the human eye. They also stated that the star moved in a 50-year elliptical orbit around Sirius, that it was small and incredibly heavy, and that it rotated on its axis. Sirius - which we now call Sirius A - was not seen through a telescope until 1862 and was not photographed until 1970. The Dogon name for Sirius B (Po Tolo) consists of the word for star (tolo) and "po," the name of the smallest seed known to them. By this name they describe the star's smallness -- it is, they say, "the smallest thing there is." They also claim that it is "the heaviest star," and white. The Dogon thus attribute to Sirius B its three principle properties as a white dwarf: small, heavy, white. They go on to say that it has an is elliptical orbit, with Sirius A at one foci of the ellipse (as it is), that the orbital period is 50 years (the actual figure is 50.04 +/- 0.09 years), and that the star rotates on its own axis (it does). The Dogon also describe a third star in the Sirius system, called "Emme Ya" ("Sorghum Female"). In orbit around this star, they say, is a single satellite. To date, Emme Ya has not been identified by astronomers. In addition to their knowledge of Sirius B, the Dogon mythology includes Saturn's rings, and Jupiter's four major moons. They have four calendars, for the Sun, Moon, Sirius, and Venus, and have long known that planets orbit the sun. The Dogon say their astronomical knowledge was given to them by the Nommos, amphibious beings sent to Earth from Sirius for the benefit of mankind. The name comes from a Dogon word meaning "to make one drink," and the Nommos are also called Masters of the Water, the Monitors, and the Teachers. Nommos The Dogon tells the legend of the Nommos, awful-looking beings who arrived in a vessel along with fire and thunder. After they arrived here - they put out a reservoir of water onto the Earth then dove into the water. There are references in the oral traditions, drawings and cuneiform tablets of the Dogons, to human looking beings who have feet but who are portrayed as having a large fish skin running down their bodies. The Nommos were more fishlike than human, and had to live in water. They were saviors and spiritual guardians: "The Nommo divided his body among men to feed them; that is why it is also said that as the universe "had drunk of his body," the Nommo also made men drink. He gave all his life principles to human beings." The Nommo was crucified and resurrected and in the future will again visit the Earth, this time in human form. Later he will assume his amphibious form and will rule the world from the waters. Dogon mythology is known only by a number of their priests, and is a complex system of knowledge. Such carefully guarded secrets would not be divulged to friendly strangers very easily. If the star Emme Ya is eventually discovered in the Sirius system, this would give considerably weight to the Dogon's story. The Nommos, who could live on land but dwelled mostly in the sea, were part fish, like merfolk (mermaids and mermen). Similar creatures have been noted in other ancient civilizations -- Babylonia's Oannes, Acadia's Ea, Sumer's Enki, and Egypt's goddess Isis. It was from the Nommos that the Dogon claimed their knowledge of the heavens. The Dogon also claimed that a third star (Emme Ya) existed in the Sirius system. Larger and lighter than Sirius B, this star revolved around Sirius as well. And around it orbited a planet from which the Nommos came. (Sirius A).

Thanks Maggie! I appreciate that. Shoulda named this topic "Earth Mysteries" but I think we can cover that under the more scholarly guise, anyway. Good stuff we have going in here!

(Cheryl), I thought it might have something to do with birds. Since birds go onmassive migrations using magnetic fields, among other things to guide them. That's the theory anyway. But you're right Marcia, it's pretty tough to use magnetism if you have no iron and there's that much water. It is the knowledge of generations that resonate in birds. I suggest reading Rupert Sheldrake. His New Science of Life and The Rebirth of Nature. For the explanations. (Maggie), The Nommo was crucified and resurrected and in the future will again visit the Earth, this time in human form. And was he in Israel at the time? Very interesting, Maggie, thanks for posting it here. :-) They go on to say that it has an is elliptical orbit, with Sirius A at one foci of the ellipse (as it is), that the orbital period is 50 years (the actual figure is 50.04 0.09 years), The Catholic Church has special celebrations for the reconciliation ritual every 50 years too, the year 2000 is one of them. I wonder if there is a connection. The is a private library at the Vatican which is supposed to have the texts to so many mysteries. I would love to see these books.

Moon, if you ever get into that library, count on my being right behind you in felt slippers so we are not overheard. That Vatican also has the largest collection of Pronography, I understand. Fascinating!

this is really interesting!

Wolfie - go check what I just posted in Geo 17. Archaeology. Stone circles. This is where these two topics intersect. Thanks for being interested. It is a cool topic and goes as well with your Paraspring conference as here, don't you think?!

The merfolk or amphipious beings are noted in several belief systems and folklore, but so are winged beings, what many people consider angels.

Then there are the dragons/worms which inhabited so much of Europe. Somewhere lost in the dim past is the truth back of this lore. And, it is another of my passions.

That would bring up another subject: metamorphs. Basically it's the werewolf myth, which is pretty much universal in some form or other. It's not always wolves people turn into, depending on the culture in can be bears, foxes, leopards, jaquars, or even coyotes. Interesting that the animals involved are predators. Okay, bears are omnivores and coyotes will scavenge if they have to.

This is where the linked-to-paraspring comes in. Wolf, are you listening? I believe she has werewolves on her conference: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/paraspring/7/new I think we're gonna overlap a bunch but that is good...each conference seems to reach different readers. About those morphs, is that how totem animals arose? I am fascinated and know just about nothing about them. Does it involve Shamanism?

don't totem poles depict territories and families? we can link the morphism to indians and their animal spirits. without getting high, i'd like to know how to find out what animal my spirit favors. it would be interesting and insightful.

Hawaiians were really big on household or family gods. These were often shark or turtle or porpoise. Wolf, you are either lupine or delphine connected, it would seem. I seem to be connected to hard stony objects *grin*

This part of the esoterica in which I am a novice. Please educate!

This also links to 'universal stories', in the sense of repeating themes in oral literature. I suppose that corresponds with myths and legends, but I tend to look at them from a linguistic point of view.

I study them for the knowledge behind them and that takes me into linguistics to find out exactly the words used early on before the meaning got lost in vernacular. It is difficult in the utmost to find these early forms, however. What choice goodies have you discovered?

Mine are collected Mandinka stories. Will Start again in Mali. I have one good one somewhere if I can find it.

ok, to the person responsible for making this place look spiffy, HUGS thank you thank you thank you and i love the new lines!

I was just going to compliment you on them. Hmmm...there is something about you I just am lacking. Topics on your conference - none on mine...Perhaps I do not yet deserve them. *sniffle* (For those wondering where the bars are, they are on Paraspring conference to which this is linked.)

? you lost me, sweetie!

Nah! I was just being a spoiled child (did not get the chance as a little kid). I was just noticing who created your topics and who created mine. *sigh* I seem to be the lone stranger in Geo whereas you had the master creating in yours...(see, told ya! spoiled child...now I'm gonna behave...) *hugs*

oh! is that all? *grin* k, they had a show last night on the travel channel (because of miracles like satellite tv, i was unable to watch the grammy's as originally planned) about the giant, the spider, the hummingbird, and did you know about the alien man waving to the sky? there were two shows, one was about the rocks and how they were built. pyramids, the rows and rows of pillars all facing the same direction, etc. very very neat. even heiroglyphics contained people in small capsules like they were flying. way cool. unfortunately, i was way too preoccupied with a craft project to pay complete attention so i hope they show it again.

Oh, Wolfie, we got stuff time-delayed through the miracle of modern technology so you had to live in a vacuum not to know who wom before it even started...so I spent the evening with Geo and interesting people. (Yup! that's all - mostly...feeling wiser and a little foolish this morning *grin*) I did not see the program you mention last night, but it sounds suspiciously like some I have seen produced by sensationalists. One giveaway is the people they use for experts. Graham Hancock is great for casual reading, but he is no scientific and objective archaeologist who reports only certainties and not conjectures. I watched part of one I had seen before about the Mayan sarcophagus with the "space man" on the lid. That was on last night and I turned it off and came back to the monitor. *sigh* Btw, I have three books by Hancock and they are fascinating. But, know the facts before you start reading.

My last comment about metamorphs on this board. I would like to apologize to all those of Irish and or Scottish ancestry, and to my own Scotch-Irish forebearers. (I am from central PA, where almost everybody as some German and Scotch-Irish blood.) I didn't mention selkies or horse fairies. The Selkie were the seal people, they came ashore doffed there sealskins and became people. A really charming film dealing with this legend is "The Secret of Roan Inish". The horse fairies were horses and ponies that could become human. So not all the animals were predators. Seals are predatory if you're a fish, but horses are herbavores. Now back to geomagnetism.

Piskies (yes, spelled right) are Cornish fairies. Just before they disappear altogether from human view they look like ants. it is Not a good idea to step on ants in Cornwall! (I am English/Scots-Irish/German. Join the crowd!) Geomagnetism is all about other worldly stuff...after all, ley lines follow them, no?! And, where is the interface between the real world we see and the unseen world? It is very close to the surface in the Avalon/Glastonbury area...! Cheryl, you were right at home here with your post. *smile*

Geomagnetism and why it is a Good Thing: Radiation from the sun is deadly stuff to living things and to communications (with which I am getting this information to you). Solar wind is deflected by the Earth's magnetism thusly:

Solar wind is deflected by the Earth's magnetism thusly: What about the Ozone layer. Does it not help deflect the radiation from the Sun? Might it also have a magnetic field? In Ireland I always felt as if I were being watched by fairies, crazy but true. You could almost hear them wisper in the wind.

Nice graphic! But the electro-magnetic field of earth doesn't deflect all the particles from the solar wind; if it did we'd never see auroras, right? Interesting...I've never heard about the fairie legends before (other than Morgan Le Fey). Never heard of leylines before this topic, for that matter. What things I learn from this conference... :-)

re: back a few posts Marcia mentioned Rennes-le-Chateau and the book "Holy Blood Holy Grail". I think I saw a program about this back when I had cable TV (must have been The Learning Channel or Discovery). It involved some theory about the descendants of Christ and the Knights Templars, but I don't remember the details. I do remember thinking it was very odd, and a bit "out there", but I am interested in hearing more about it. Can anyone post any info about this, or some good urls?

Geomagnetism: Better sources than I on this subject: http://sec.gsfc.nasa.gov/ http://ub.nmh.ac.uk/ http://geomag.usgs.gov/ Another image for you to ponder: Rennes-le-Chateau: more in next post... If you do a web search you will find oodles of off-the-wall stuff...just like the book. But, it is a fascinating read.

Let's try that image again...

Rennes-le-Chateau: The best overview of Holy Blood Holy Grail is found at http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/metis.htm Her website contains Steve Mizrach's discussion of the book, which is the best on the net. This URl is also part of the Rennes-le-Chateau webring. To me, the most fascinating stuff is not the Merovingian claim to have the blood of Jesus in their veins (thus divine) but the sacred geometry of the entire place and the connection with Poussin's Tomb at Arques painting The Shepherds of Arcadia

Oh yes, which brings us full circle because the Merovingians are part of the One world government of which the latter-day Knights Templar (only the best and brightest, not the rank and file...)and the Trilateralists are also part. Read that website and you will be amazed (forget the bogus religious stuff - that is ridiculous in any case!)

Today's Geomagnetism report from ARRL ( American Radio Relay League) To give you some idea of what is happening out there right now... Solar flux and sunspot activity were down last week, but heading back up. Average solar flux for last week compared to the previous week was down almost 4 points, and sunspot numbers were off about 28 points. The low point was Friday, February 18, when the three solar flux measurements for the day were 139.6, 141.1 and 140.4. The noon measurement of 141.1 is the official reading for the day. Solar flux is expected to rise, with the projection for Friday through Tuesday of 197, 197, 200, 200 and 204. Solar flux for the near term is expected to peak around 205 on Wednesday or Thursday, March 1 and 2, then decline to below 170 by March 9, and bottom out near 130 around March 23 or 24. Planetary A index has been rising, due to a well-placed coronal hole streaming charged particles toward the earth. NASA has an interesting article about this as well as a dramatic photo online at http://www.spacescience.com/headlines/y2000/ast23feb_2.htm. Also check http://www.spaceweather.com, which on Thursday had an article about a gust of solar wind at 1430z on February 24. The projected planetary A index for Friday through Tuesday is 20, 18, 15, 13 and 10. Conditions may be disturbed again around March 4 and 5, and fairly quiet between March 13-20. Based on the current solar rotation, disturbed conditions may recur around March 22-23, and possibly quiet conditions again around March 26-29, although predictions that far in the future are more of a guess. These projections are based upon sunspots and coronal holes moving across the visible solar surface, as the sun rotates relative to earth every 27.5 days. Various features grow and fade with time, and new areas appear. Some are oriented toward earth and have a large effect, while others do not. The coronal hole that is causing the current geomagnetic disturbance has been visible for the last seven solar rotations. Doug Brandon, N6RT wrote to ask about the URL for Cary Oler's Solar Terrestrial Dispatch web site, which seemed to disappear some time back. Doug did some detective work, and found that it had moved. The new site is at http://solar.spacew.com/. George Jacobs, W3ASK has an interesting item in his propagation column in the March issue of CQ Magazine concerning equinoctial propagation. This is about the effect that occurs in spring and fall seasons when the daylight distributed between the northern and southern hemisphere is roughly equal, dependent on how close the date is to the equinox. He says that during March intercontinental openings on 160-30 meters should peak just before local sunrise and again at local sunset. 20 meter openings should peak an hour or two after sunrise and again for an hour or so after sunset. 17-6 meter intercontinental openings should peak during daylight hours. Signals on these upper bands are stronger toward the west around and after sunset, while toward the east they are stronger before noon. He notes that signals to the south are stronger after sunrise and again late in the afternoon. W3ASK has a web site at http://www.gjainc.com/. Sunspot numbers for February 17 through 23 were 152, 146, 126, 131, 122, 129 and 155 with a mean of 137.3. 10.7 cm flux was 168.4 141.1, 144.8, 153.3, 152.1, 172.3 and 185.1, with a mean of 159.6, and estimated planetary A indices were 6, 2, 4, 5, 15, 5 and 9, with a mean of 6.6.

last night, i watched a program about the pharoahs (and queen turned king) of egypt. it seems ramses (sp?) was the unnamed pharoah during the mass exodus of the israelites from egypt. he went one on one with God. it was equally as fascinating to learn of the "acting" ruler of egypt in place for her stepson who, by mutual agreement, took the throne and ceremonially called herself king and wore the pharoah's clothing and a beard. she accomplished many things that the male pharoahs could not or would not. after her stepson became pharaoh (upon her death) he decided that she should not be remembered and there was evidence of her name being removed from monuments. funny, she left a message that future generations would know she ruled egypt even though the people of egypt would try to eradicate her memory. i was totally fascinated with the whole thing. would love to visit egypt and see these things for myself.

I watched that,as well. Most fascinating about the palace intrigues and the intricate marriages arranged with next of kin. They were not subtle aobut removing all traces of Hatshepsut from the heiroglyphs.

I had seen a similar story about that, a while back. Truly fascinating! Fortunatly for us, not everything about her was destroyed. Seems there is always some forgotten wall, pillar, etc. that reveals another wonderful and mysterious story!

I agree that Hatshepsut is one of the most fascinating pharaohs. Her tomb is magnificent too (I want to see it sometime).

(me too...but perhaps in another life when I come back as an Archaeologist...)

Meanwhile...back at the possible ley-lines, please note the following map (also posted in Archaeology). Each little red dot is a stone circle or alignment

That is a clickable map from one of the best resources online for things megalithic: http://www.megalith.ukf.net/bigmap.htm

kewl!

It really is! Has anyone ever figured how to post a clickable map to another website. That would be REALLY Kewl!

Hokule'a crew returns home tired but happy By Leila Fujimori A tired but happy Nainoa Thompson says it was a very special day. After an eight-month voyage to Rapa Nui and back, Hokule�a is home. Shanell Ching, navigator for the final leg of the journey, said, "It's an honor and a privilege to bring the Hokule�a home." The 32-year-old navigated the Polynesian sailing canoe, using only traditional methods, from Tahiti to Hawaii in a record 21 days. Hokule�a sailed into Kaunakakai Harbor tonight receiving a welcome of hula, chants and leis from Molokai residents, as well as crew members' friends and family. The 15 crew members first caught sight of landfall about 7:20 p.m. yesterday, when they spotted the lights of Hilo. The voyage to Rapa Nui signifies reaching the final and easternmost point in the Polynesian Triangle -- the migration routes of ancient Polynesian navigators. On Oct. 8, Hokule�a arrived at Rapa Nui, or Easter Island, the most isolated and remote Polynesian island. Hokule�a will depart Molokai for Oahu on March 11, in time for a homecoming celebration at Kualoa Park. The event will also mark the 25th anniversary of its launching. The formal morning program will be followed by entertainment, educational activities, food and other programs from noon to 5 p.m. Ching said exceptional conditions allowed the Hokule�a to quickly sail through the doldrums, a region known for dead calms and light breezes. At times, however, Ching was challenged by rain swells and overcast skies that obscured the stars and other celestial bodies used in navigation.

One of my freinds has a son on the crew of the Hokule'a. She said the only modern convenience they had was a radio-phone. No watches, no calendars, nothing modern. When they called home they were forbidden to ask the day or time or anything else which the ancient Polynesians would not have known. They really DID do it the Old-Fashioned way...very old!

Yes, it was a wonderful ocean voyage, although it did the virtual way. Thanks for the URL Marcia.

oh, the Hokule`a is a ship! i was wondering there for a minute!! the only way to copy a clickable map is to do a "view source" and copy all the links over with it (i guess!)......

Yeah...then you duplicate someone else's website. That is a little too cheeky for even me to attempt - but I am sure you are right. I'll just use the URL and go there to do my clicking. I am just happy they put it on a transparent background. It does look lovely! Glad you enjoyed the virtual voyage. I'll let you know when the next one goes!

Sounds kind of like the Kon-Tiki and Ra expeditions of Thor Heyerdahl. Hard to imagine anyone crossing the open ocean in a balsawood raft, and surviving! I started looking at that Rennes-le-Chateau website you posted, Marcia. It sure sounds like the stuff I heard about on that TV show I saw a while back. That show did talk about some weird geometry and a painting. I assume it was the painting you mentioned. *Weird* stuff, but I haven't had time to read much of it, yet... Did you say there is a modern day Knights Templars organization? Do they have any real ties to the historic Templars? How do the Rosicrucians relate to them? They always seemed like a pretty bizarre group, too.

The modern-day Knights Templar are part of the Freemasons of today. I think there is no connection with Rosecrutions - at least when my father was a Mason. Illuminati and the like are also suggested as connected in some way. Of this I know nothing other than what I have read by the disgruntled and the guessers. Of course, when asked, any Freemason would categorically deny any association. but that may or may not be true, as well!

My father was also a Mason, but naturally he wouldn't tell me any of their secrets. Seems like another odd group, from the open ceremonies I was allowed to attend. My brother was also a Mason for a while, but he hated it and let his membership lapse.

Until the 60'd happened and turned the world upside down, Masonic attachment was a form of prestige. I do not know if anything internal happened to them, but Kings and Presidents were all Masons. If you were a shaker or mover, it was expected of you. My father was not a joiner, but this one he took to heart and became a 33rd degress Master Mason eventually - about as high as you can go.

My brother felt the Masons were bigots and racists...maybe it was just the lodge he joined, but he felt it was part of the actual wording of the ceremonies. I got the impressions that the Masons were once a "blue blood" sort of organization...had to be of a certain social standing, etc., to join.

Oh, indeed...one had to have proven himself a man of worth usually self-made men were most admired, but inherited status was also good (as in Kings). They are elitist, but not necessarily snobs. Shriners do a tremendous amount of good works but that branch did not appeal to my serious-minded father. All you have to be is free and accepted and believe in God. Blacks and Jews and all others that I know of were welcome. Perhaps it has changed and people are reading things into the wording of the degrees and ceremonies which meant different things in another era. I truly do not know since my father was tight-lipped about all thing Masonic.

Hmm...maybe it was just the interpretations by the lodge my brother joined, then.

It is entirely possible. When my Dad retired from New Rochelle, NY and eventually settled in Tucson, Arizona, he did not care for the chapter there so did not transfer his membership He remained a member in good standing and had a Masonic funeral.

they're probably sworn to secrecy. another lady i work with has a masonic ring for her wedding ring. i had heard that those organizations are dark when you get into the stuff they keep hidden. the good works are only surface stuff. don't know, really, never had any associations with them. the kids love the shriners because of their cute cars. that and helping crippled children is all i can associate shriners with. how did we get on this subject? *grin*