That is so sweet!

Isn't it just? Put a smile on my face. Also, it's a beautiful sunny day here in Scotland. -Life is good:-)

Clever HG, turning the tables on the tabloid 'journalists' I'm surprised at the lack of coverage of this in the media: http://www.newstatesman.com/newspapers/2011/04/phone-yeah-cameron-murdoch Although I didn't really expect Sky to cover it;-))

(Moon)I'm referring to our Western traditions. I'm happy you've clarified that. However, the countries I mentioned are classed as monarchies, whether you agree or not. (Moon) And I will out myself, my family as well as my husband's is an old noble and titled one. Well, now I understand(but don't agree with) your defence of power by birthright:-)

(Janet) A muslim extremist group wants permission to stage a protest in London on the day of the wedding. Unbelievable! A protest of what specifically? If any of us wanted to chat during the wedding festivities, this would be the place I suppose??

The want to burn the Union Jack, images of the crown and effigies of the Royal couple. This is the same group which burned poppies on Armistice Day. I don't understand why they even want to live in the UK, if they hate everything we stand for:-(( BTW, permission has been denied, but I guess they'll try anyway:-(

Posting this since we were talking about the actor who had an affair blocking his name from being publicized. Not only is the practice secretive, it's sexist as well. Mr. X: British courts shield stars in sex cases AP By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press LONDON � A topless model has juicy details of a six-month affair with a married soccer star. A prostitute wants to dish the dirt about a sex romp with a British actor. But British courts have gagged the women and journalists from reporting the lurid details or the men's identities. The cases are the latest in a series of British court orders issued to protect the privacy of public figures � usually men involved in extramarital affairs. Press freedom and legal advocates say the public figures � and the mostly male judges issuing the gag orders � are abusing and misinterpreting European human rights law. They ask what would happen if everyone were allowed to stop everyone else from talking about them. "Middle-class male judges will usually rule in favor of chaps who have the bad luck of a mistress who kisses and then tells," said Geoffrey Robertson, a human rights lawyer. "The problem is that the law is incoherent and being interpreted by judges behind closed doors. "Tiger Woods' reputation may have been unsullied had he lived in England." In the United States, freedom of speech is protected under the First Amendment and often trumps privacy arguments. In Europe, however, the law is interpreted by judges who can balance privacy concerns over the concept of open justice and freedom of speech. More than 30 public figures have won gagging orders since 2008 in Britain. In the latest case, Justice David Eady granted an order Wednesday to prevent a topless model and reality show contestant from revealing the details of her affair with a Premier League soccer star to the press or the public. Eady is known for upholding several libel rulings for celebrities and others. Richard Spearman, an attorney representing The Sun tabloid, argued that the principle of open justice should prevail. Lawyer Hugh Tomlinson, meanwhile, said his soccer star client should be protected against having the media report allegations of the affair. The press and the public were ordered to leave the court minutes into the two-and-a-half hour hearing. Max Clifford, a public relations expert who represents the topless model, said she never wanted to sell her story. She simply told the soccer star that reporters had started asking about their relationship and the player's agent then went to the courts to prevent the media from publishing his name, Clifford said. Pictures of the model � and her name � were widely publicized in the British press. "The orders are totally sexist," says Clifford. "It's all about men stopping women from talking. He gets to keep his privacy while she loses hers." Only three of the 30 recent privacy injunctions were obtained by women and most of the orders came from male judges. Experts also say many judges have used the privacy article to curtail the power of the British tabloids. In a separate case, Eady also issued a final "contra mundum" order Wednesday � effectively a worldwide ban_ against details of a man's private life being published. Legal experts say they've rarely heard of such an order being issued in a privacy case and say it is doubtful such an order would be upheld in foreign courts. To illustrate how many basic details newspapers couldn't publish about both these cases, The Times ran nearly a full-page story Thursday riddled with thick black lines as a visual device. Readers struggled to make out basic sentences because of the redactions. Other papers issued lengthy commentaries against the rulings. Eady's court clerk Richard Trout told The Associated Press that the judge doesn't take questions from the press, and hung up when the AP asked to speak directly to the judge. In another recent case, Justice Nicholas Blake issued a gagging order that blocked a prostitute from revealing details about her alleged romp with a well-known married British actor who's been in at least one blockbuster film. (Yes, we know who it is but can't tell you.) The actor's name has appeared on several websites since the injunction was granted. The same prostitute also allegedly had sex with England soccer star Wayne Rooney. The Human Rights Act of 1998 protects the right to family, privacy and freedom of expression but up until recently, there were few gag orders issued in Britain out of privacy concerns. Although there has never been a specific English common law right to privacy, the British government has sometimes asked editors to show restraint in reporting on private or sensitive royal matters. Editors agreed to back off from publishing details about the private life of Wallis Simpson, the American divorcee who scandalized Britain and prompted Edward VIII to abdicate the throne in 1936. France, too, has embraced privacy protections for politicians and other public figures. Editors there long shied away from reporting that former President Francois Mitterand had an illegitimate daughter, even though most knew that to be true. Prime Minister David Cameron sounded a warning Thursday about the way judges are creating a new law of privacy "rather than Parliament." "What's happening here is that the judges are using the European Convention on Human Rights to deliver a sort of privacy law without Parliament saying so," he said. Ambi Sitham, a media and entertainment lawyer, said such injunctions were designed to be used when public security was an issue. "Parliament should sit down and consider existing privacy laws and define what is in the public interest," Sitham said. "If a celebrity is a footballer, does that make them a role model?" Roy Greenslade, a former editor of the Daily Mirror tabloid, said if the trend toward gag orders continues, it will prompt the evolution of a site, perhaps like WikiLeaks, that leaks such celebrity information. "It's a finger in the dike," he said. "Eventually we'll see a kind of website set up which will, outside the U.K. court jurisdiction, make a kind of habit of revealing what the British media can't." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110421/ap_en_ot/eu_britain_star_secrets

I don't understand why the details haven't been released overseas. In virtually every case, the gagging orders only apply in the UK. In fact, I remember some years ago, the details of such an injunction were published in the Herald, a Glasgow broadsheet, since it wasn't covered under Scots Law. The Londoncentric lawyers hadn't thought of that, lol! I wonder how that works in the current cases? Kelvin MacKenzie, former editor of The Sun, was interviewed on TV the other day and he said he hoped that the details would be published overseas. He said there were 29 such injunctions involving figures and stories that would shock the nation.

"The orders are totally sexist," says Clifford. "It's all about men stopping women from talking. He gets to keep his privacy while she loses hers." It sure seems to be the case. Don't they publish the names of prostitutes' customers in newspapers in some areas of the country? Or has that only been a threat never carried out?

Move over Syria and Libya...here comes the Royal Wedding. http://royalwedding.yahoo.com/

In honour of the big wedding on Friday, use your royal wedding guest name. Start with either Lord or Lady. Your first name is one of your grandparents' names. Your surname is the name of your first pet, then the name of the street you grew up on. I'm Lady Constance Calley of Lamont:-)

Is Donald Trump a serious contender for President? G*d help us-he'll use his clout to take over the rest of Scotland!;-((

Take the last two digits of the year in which you were born, now add the age you will be this year, and the result will be 111 for everyone...! (Moon)Trump was a HUGE Hillary supporter in 2008. (Mari), So, now I'm supposed to give this megalomaniac a lifetime pass? Uh uh. Bob Schieffer from CBS News just called him out. Glad to see someone in the major media show some backbone. Are you kidding? Everyone is calling him out and picking on him. Trump even has his own insult hashtag on tweeter there's so much of it. Yes, that was idiotic. But could it be true, that it has not been shown before? In any case, Obama acted quickly thanks to Trump. How I wish he acted quickly on so many other things, ie, oil prices, etc. Trump is the only Republican that stands a chance to get the Hillary women's vote because they remember that Trump understood what was going on with Hillary and Obama during the primaries. I know of lots of people who supported Obama who wish we now had Hillary for POTOS instead, but guess what, those idiots didn't get it then.

(Moon)Take the last two digits of the year in which you were born, now add the age you will be this year, and the result will be 111 for everyone...! Very clever!

My son has explained it-pretty simple really. Subtract your age from the current year, and you're left with your year of birth!

Can we say filthy swine: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/gaddafi-troops-rape-viagra-libya_n_855216.html

Obama acted quickly thanks to Trump. Quickly????? ;-) Two -plus yrs into office? C'mon. With all the problems facing this country.... he had to go on the Oprah Show to make it official! I'm glad Trump is around to go into his face.... I say : "Keep going"

(Janet)Is Donald Trump a serious contender for President? Not by any serious-minded person. He gave a speech last night in Las Vegas, dropping the f bomb and the mother f bomb all over the place. Classy. Very presidential. What a sad state of affairs. (Moon)Obama acted quickly thanks to Trump. "Thanks?" For distracting the country with a completely bogus issue? The birth certificate that Obama released during his 2008 campaign *is* Hawaii's official cert. What nonsense this all is. And it will be never be enough; now he's questioning his academic credentials. Trump just makes crap up to see how many gullible people he can get to believe it to further his own megalomaniacal aims. It's insulting to the president and it's insulting to me as a citizen.

Rumors always persist. I can remember the Dems questioning President Bush's service record being question....Foster's suicide was said to be construed by the Clinton's .....911 was organized either by President Bush or the Jews. I feel your pain, Mari. I was in your shoes for eight yrs during the Bush administration. Dems hurled crap all at him too....any chance they could get. Just part of the deal.

*Evelyn)Dems hurled crap all at him too....any chance they could get. Not just Dems. Just about everyone else outside of the US too, lol;-))

I try not to criticize foreign nationals elected officials. And I never do my own when I leave the country. Not my style.

HOLY F'NG COW!! Osama Bin Laden is DEAD!!

Next: Someone has to produce the official, long-form death certificate.

LOL Karen! A friend of mine just posted this to his facebook profile: FOXNEWS REPORTS: Obama Administration Kills Homeless Religious Man with Kidney Disease.

The celebration continues in DC. What a great day! God bless JSOC and all the brave soldiers. Finally!

Between Twitter, my Facebook page and here, if I see one more Birth Certificate joke..... ;-) It really is too easy. LOL, Sarah!!

Wrong ,Sarah! FOX is in party mode. I've been listening all morning:-)))) That headline is from the proles @ THE NATION. BC not needed. Pics of body for your wall coming soon.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/02/timeline-tip-leads-usama-bin-laden/ A tip in August led to his capture... I knew you'd want the Timeline from FOX. I give you more later...now that I know you are so interested in FOXNEWS:-D

As the mother of a son who has been on active duty since 2001, I can only say thank you to our intelligence service and our military. A special big thanks to the members of Special Forces and Seal Team 6. Those Special Forces troops are a breed apart, unbelievably well-trained and dedicated. My son is not in Special Forces, and does not usually deploy with Special Forces units, but he just returned this weekend from a 6 1/2 month deployment to Iraq with a Special Forces unit. In the previous three times he deployed to Afghanistan, I at least had some idea of where he was and what he was doing, but not on this deployment with the Special Forces unit. Everything has been very top secret, and will remain that way, as he had to sign a document that he would not talk about anything concerning his deployment...where he was, what he was doing, anything that happened, for 75 years. He couldn't even tell us when he would be coming home, so we couldn't be there to welcome him hone. I can tell you, it is extremely hard not to know where your kid is for that long, and not to be able to communicate with them when you want. So this whole thing is very personal to me.

Our big thanks to your son for serving his country, Peggy. There is no greater honor . My DH was in the first units of Special Forces; a special group of people indeed, but they have tremendous back-up and your son was one of them.

From O&E (Sarah)Why should some woman, half a world away, who has absolutely nothing to do with our country have this power?? For starters, she give you some class.

I like this one: The girl married her Prince. The bad guy is dead. It's a real Disney weekend. Burial at sea is perfect.

(Evelyn) A tip in August led to his capture... I knew you'd want the Timeline from FOX. Funny, my (apparently almost fringe) Republican friend/debating opponent on all things political just told me on Facebook that the tip was from 4 yrs ago from a Guantanemo prisoner. Can you guys get your stories straight? LOL. ;-) Thank you to your son, Peggy! I can't imagine how difficult a "radio silence" was. And yay for Navy Seals!

Osama has a pop star niece- Wafah Bin Laden. Her US manager begged her to change her name. She chose Debbie Bin Laden Lol.

*shaking head* Hey, Dorine quit reading Facebook and blogs. Tune into CNN at least. I just put my flag out. Cars are flying flags here in Tulsa. I love the chants and pics from Times Square . Were you there????ROTF! Some from DC too. Moon, I thought of Princess Catherine and how two days later she would have been wiped off the front pages. Instead they made all the papers on Saturday. Everyone was happy, happy....except for the Drool Downers!

(Evelyn) *shaking head* Hey, Dorine quit reading Facebook and blogs. Tune into CNN at least. What are you talking about?? and blogs. Perhaps I should pass on your post to my friend/your ideological compatriot. You should see the stuff she sends me (and from where) to boost her points and ideology (Ay dios mio as you would say, LOL). And I did have my fill of CNN last night. Yeah, I ran out of my house at 11:30 at night to take a trip into the city. ;-)

Latest Livia tweet: Watching CNN News is utterly depressing. Same lavel as Berlusconi's channels in Italy. Information for dumb. Idiot. That's all she can say?

What the hell does that even mean? Is that English?

Apparently yesterday was the anniversary of the confirmation announcement of Hitler's death (1945), the 8th year anniversary of *cough* "Mission Accomplished" (although nothing to do with OBL) and the 1 year anniversary of the failed attempt to bomb Times Square. May 1st is a busy day in history.

(Evelyn)For starters, she give you some class. No winkey. So by that argument, the US has no class either;-)) I am happy that he is dead, obviously, but have grave concerns about retaliation by the cells operating in various countries. Very worrying indeed. I understand now why The Royal Honeymoon was cancelled at the weekend.

It was also the beatification of Pope John Paul II.

Oh right! And he'll probably be canonized on that date in the future, too. ;-) Yeah, I'll be seeing soldiers more regularly in the train stations now (among other places) I presume.

Excellent suggestion from Richard Roeper (assuming it was his idea) on Twitter... Richard Roeper Suggestion for Time's Person of the Year: The Navy SEAL. 16 minutes ago

Ha, can you imagine being him? Man Accidentally Live-Tweets Osama bin Laden Raid (No, It Wasn’t “The Rock”) IT consultant Sohaib Athar was just “taking a break from the rat-race by hiding in the mountains with his laptops” in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad when he described, in 140 characters or less, a helicopter hovering overhead and a “huge window shaking bang”—accidentally live-tweeting the U.S. raid that ended a decade-long manhunt and killed Osama bin Laden. It’s clear from Athar’s tweets (@ReallyVirtual) that he had no idea what was going down—as evidenced by his reference to the “abbottabad helicopter/UFO“—but the unusual presence of helicopters and Taliban disclaimer suggested to him that whatever was happening, it “must be a complicated situation.” UFO, not so much; situation, definitely. Nor was Athar the only one to discuss the raid on Twitter before President Obama’s announcement last night. Keith Urbahn, Donald Rumsfeld’s Chief of Staff, tweeted several hours later: “So I’m told by a reputable person they have killed Osama Bin Laden. Hot damn.” Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson seems to have been among the first to know, as well. Around the same time as Urbahn, Johnson tweeted: “Just got word that will shock the world – Land of the free…home of the brave DAMN PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!” His time as a Space Marine must have earned him some friends in the military. May 2nd, 2011 10:43 AM Tags: osama bin laden, terrorism, Twitter by Valerie Ross in Crime & Punishment, Technology Attacks! | 0 comments | RSS Kalmbach Publishing Co. Copyright © 2011, Kalmbach Publishing Co. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2011/05/02/man-accidentally-live-tweets-osama-bin-laden-raid-no-not-the-rock/

I don't know about other outlets, but ones I saw didn't ID the ship OBL was buried from. Maybe those outlets didn't know yet, but this is one of the rare times that I think that all info is too much. They're going to be a big target from now on. http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-uss-carl-vinson-dead-burial-aircraft-carrier/

Osama bin Laden dead: followers warn of 'another 7/7' Osama bin Laden�s death could prompt another major terrorist attack similar to the 7/7 bombings in London after the al-Qaeda leader was shot dead by US forces, according to Islamic extremists. By Nick Collins 12:49PM BST 02 May 2011 While his role in planning and coordinating al-Qaeda activity had lessened in the past decade as the group spread across the world, bin Laden remained an inspirational figurehead for Islamic extremists. Anjem Choudary, the radical Muslim preacher and former UK leader of the banned al-Muhajiroun organisation, said attacks on domestic soil, accompanied by an escalation of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, could follow within days. Bin Laden�s supporters in Britain loved him �the way they care about their own parents�, the sharia law lecturer said. Choudary, who acts as spokesman for the extremist Muslims Against Crusades group, said: �I think Britain is more likely to face a 7/7 today than ever. �Rather than dampening the spirits of those who are today engaged in jihad physically around the world ... his death will merely act as an incentive to prove to the world that the death of anyone will not affect them.

(Peg)it is extremely hard not to know where your kid is for that long, and not to be able to communicate with them when you want I can't even imagine, Peg. I feel tremendously grateful to the members of the military and to the families of those deployed. They make an incredible sacrifice every day. Well done to the special ops people and the intelligence community for finally nailing OBL. And to our government for never giving up the hunt. I don't feel celebratory, though; retaliation is likely, and this will cointinue to be on ongoing struggle. But there was no choice. We can't be cowed, and I try to take confidence from the fact that many attempts have been disrupted already. Everybody, stay alert and stay safe.

Anyone seen the (alleged) pic of his body on the net? Not sure if it's genuine, but it's certainly gruesome:-(

(Moon)Idiot. That's all she can say? What a snob. Hey, Livia, change the effin' channel. Or better yet, turn it off--you're too smart for TV anyway, right? Actually, I've been waiting for her to tweet that we're barbarians because we implemented capital punishment without giving him a fair trial first.:-( Janet there's a faked pic of a dead OBL that's been circulating for years now. May be the same one.

No, but I read Sky News showed it. I read it's not pretty, too.

I'm also of a mixed mind whether it should be shown. I think some won't believe til they see him, but it may infuriate even more. They have with Saddam and his sons, but this is a whole other level. I'm waiting for Al-Qaeda to confirm actually.

Osama bin Laden corpse photo is fake Image of bloodied man picked up by British newspapers has been circulating online for two years Amelia Hill guardian.co.uk, Monday 2 May 2011 12.03 BST Article history An image purporting to show Osama bin Laden's bloody corpse, right, is a composite of two separate images, left and centre. Photograph: twitpic An image apparently showing a dead Osama bin Laden broadcast on Pakistani television and picked up by British newspaper websites is a fake. The bloodied image of a man with matted hair and a blank, half-opened eye has been circulating on the internet for the past two years. It was used on the front pages of the Mail, Times, Telegraph, Sun and Mirror websites, though swiftly removed after the fake was exposed on Twitter. It appears the fake picture was initially published by the Middle East online newspaper themedialine.org on 29 April 2009, with a warning from the editor that it was "unable to ascertain whether the photo is genuine or not". The Daily Mail was one of the newspaper websites to publish the fake picture of Osama bin Laden's body. Since then, however, the image has been claimed as genuine on a number of conspiracy forums and used to substantiate claims that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 bombings had been killed. The Guardian was one of the few sites to hold back from using the manipulated image on its front page, reporting the picture's existence in its live blog but questioning its legitimacy. The image is based on a genuine photograph of Bin Laden taken in 1998 and used by the Reuters news agency. On Twitter, a composite including the other photograph used to make the image was posted by @HannahMarbina and other users showed how easy it was to find the image already online with a simple search.

Yeah, I was just going to say, maybe it was the fake. I've not seen it either and won't bother I think.

Che Guevara's body was shown. I hope the will show his as well. It's the closure we all need, not future conspiracy theories. Mari, the sad thing is, her DH probably feels the same way. :-( Andy's Mazol of the week is the Navy Seals. Now let's go and kill the rest of the fundamentalist leaders. I hope the N Seals make all the covers.

(Me) No, but I read Sky News showed it. I read it's not pretty, too. I was answering Janet that I hadn't seen the pic, not that I didn't believe it was a fake. But thanks for the story, Mari! :-)

White House Officials Debate Releasing Photographs of Bin Laden’s Corpse May 02, 2011 10:55 AM The Obama administration has photographs of Osama bin Laden’s dead body and officials are debating what to do with them and whether they should be released to the public, officials tell ABC News. “There’s no doubt it’s him,” says a US official who has seen the pictures and also reminds us that OBL was 6’4”. The argument for releasing them: to ensure that the public knows and can appreciate that he's dead. There is of course skepticism throughout the world that the US government claim that it killed bin Laden is true. The argument against releasing the pictures: they’re gruesome. He has a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet, with brains and blood visible. In July 2003, the US government released photographs of Saddam Hussein’s dead sons Uday and Qusay Hussain but not until after they’d been touched up by a mortician, making them look not quite real. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/white-house-officials-debate-releasing-photographs-of-bin-ladens-corpse-1.html

Try saying Abbottabad 10 times real fast. ;-)

Osama bin Laden�s death could prompt another major terrorist attack similar to the 7/7 bombings in London ............. My concern too, Janet. Especially as the enquiry verdict is due to be announced tomorrow.

I wonder how often this occurs? Ever? http://www.thewrap.com/media/column-post/no-mr-bin-laden-new-york-times-drops-honorific-26970

Wouldn't this have applied to all recent mass murderers, ie Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevec etc?

That Wrap link Do posted threw up one of those your computer is infected poxy security things. Anyway..I've been trying to absorb this news without becoming either hysterical or flippant..very hard. What does it really mean? Does it mean Al Qaeda will cease. No. So it's like catching and disposing of a mass murderer? Yes. Justice done..yes in a direct way. Stop troops being in Afghanistan? they were being pulled out anyway.Just lighting the touch paper for a world of trouble, deadly as in many more people will die. Almost certainly. That's not to say Bin Laden shouldn't have had to pay the price for the death,havoc and destruction he caused. just that I can't imagine he hasn't made a contingency plan in the event of his death in this manner. Just like a Royal Wedding,once all the celebrating has stopped it will still go on. Still, I mean it, the Seals did their job,but I can't feel there's any cause for prolonged celebration. This isn't the end. There is no end, while the brainwashed fanatics are still out there(see the IRA) So May day bank holidays have always flung up a bit of bother. I remember watching the snooker finals way back when, to be interrupted by this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8659297.stm The Iranian hostage seige.The UK version of the Seals at work.Though needless to say,not the same adversary or quite as momentous.

I agree completely with everything you've said Felicity. I won't sleep well tonight knowing that there are those among us plotting death and destruction.

(Felicity) Stop troops being in Afghanistan? they were being pulled out anyway. For the UK I guess. but I can't feel there's any cause for prolonged celebration. What's prolonged? We've waited 10 years for this. I think a day or even maybe 2 to focus on a celebration is relatively short. Especially for the NY, DC and PA. And a bit less time to wait for the UK for 7/7. But yes, I said similar things last night elsewhere, but it had to be done nonetheless. There's intense symbolism tied up with him, if nothing else. Sorry about the link. Clearly I didn't get that. But I have a mac, so I'm not so susceptible to bugs like that I believe.

(Janet) I won't sleep well tonight knowing that there are those among us plotting death and destruction. You will probably never sleep then.

(Janet)I agree completely with everything you've said Felicity. Ditto

(Janet) Wouldn't this have applied to all recent mass murderers, ie Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevec etc? Apparently not.

Come on Dorine, you know what I mean. The focus in the coming days will be on potential retaliation, and any right minded person would be concerned. Something big will happen soon:-(

Relatively soon, I wouldn't be surprised. I will continue to get up and go to work just as I have every other day (on subways and buses). I've lived with this for 10 yrs of varying intensity of warnings and police/national guard movts around the city. I can see how others might be a bit more alarmed, but it's not something I'll lose sleep over. It'll happen when it happens and I'll hope that I and none of my friends here and around the world get caught in it. That's all I can do.

One thing I'll say, I'm glad he's not around anymore to use as a political lightning rod and to be used for political fear mongering. Though even in death, I'll bet it won't be the end.

My biggest concern is that it will be nuclear at some point in time.

My biggest concern is for my children. They've grown up with this, and it's not going away:-( We in the UK grew up with what is euphemistically called 'The Troubles' in N. Ireland, and the daily toll of deaths was awful. Around 3500 men, women and children died. Just a few weeks ago a young policeman was murdered by a breakaway group. How great it would be to live in a world without war, division and hate:-(

Nice thought, but unfortunately the world has never been like that.

Of course the world has never been like that. We can but dream. The threat from terrorists in our country is so much harder to handle, practically and emotionally, than fighting a war with a known enemy. I don't think the war on terrorism can ever be won, sadly.

I'm very glad they got him- I know this might cause another attack somewhere but we were on a high danger alert anyway when he was alive & it can't be a reason for allowing Muslim terrorist leaders to remain alive. Maybe it would be better not to show such open pleasure at his death but I'm glad he has been buried at sea so there will be no shrine. I agree with you Dorine that the biggest worry is nuclear. Peggy, I so feel for you. Your son must be very brave & you must be equally brave to cope with not knowing where he is. I have particular rapport with you because my 2nd son is a member of the Honourable Artillery Company, the City of London's territorial regiment. They have specialist training like the SAS & have been involved in Afghanistan & had one loss. I was so worried that he might have to go but they only sent men who had no young children. Now he is too old & his role is training the new recruits so I am very happy.

Dow Jones closed lower: "The news creates some uncertainty but it also removes some uncertainty," said Mike Schenk, vice president of economics and statistics for the Credit Union National Association. "It affects markets because it affects psyches, so it will have some positive effects, at least in the short-term. There are some concerns about retribution and we're already seeing warnings on travel, so that reminds us that the world is still a dangerous place, and those messages could have a negative effect on market confidence." ~~~~~~~~~~~ Uh,oh..."fear mongering", and not even from a politician , imagine that???? ;-)

The same thing in Spain with the Basque separatists. OBL is dead and those fundamentalists will continue with their hatred. They are disgusting, till the very end, using a woman as a shield. The world needs to move quickly and in unity to eliminate the rest of the top players. I hope this will inspire the oppressed citizens of Syria, Lybia, Egypt, etc One thing is clear, Pakistan is not a friend to the US, duh.

That's not really fear mongering, but ok. I think the oppressed citizens of those countries have been inspired for a while before and without OBL's death. Pakistan is not a friend to the US, duh. Duh, is right, but not at all surprising to those paying attention over the past 10 yrs.

But I hope it will inspire them to go further, it's at a stand still right now.

How much further can they go in Libya? They're in the middle of a civil (*cough* international) war. The Egyptians tossed their leader and are waiting for new elections. Syria may need to push their leader out a bit harder, but he's said he'll leave (and is probably stalling).

He'll leave...there's a bullet (or two) waiting for him too. Dorine...new info coming out on the intel of the op. Your friend might be right....it was from Guantanamo interrogations. Watch this space.

Yeah, actually earlier I read the Wikileaks copy of the report where the info came from. Ever tried to read one of those detainee briefing reports? Yikes. Very dense reading. I'm watchin'. ;-)

I guess I should be thanking Pres. Bush, too, for his torture methods to enable this info to have been gotten at Gitmo.

No, you have to thank Mr Obama for continuing the mission set out by President Bush; v. brave of him to make the call....glad he didn't listen to his base, who kept telling him to use "diplomatic means". And thank Leon Panetta for getting the CIA , State and Pentagon together to execute this mission. A Big Day for America.

That wasn't from me actually. Those are the words and sentiments of my Republican friend I spoke of.

Well then pass *my* sentiments on to her/him.

OMG, is Colbert on fire tonight on OBL, LOL! I taped Jon Stewart.

Five men have been arrested at Sellafield Nuclear Power Plant, under the Prevention of Terrorism Act. No link to Al Qaeda mentioned.

(Dorine)My biggest concern is that it will be nuclear at some point in time. How right you are Do...

Well, I was reading some stuff over the weekend including a couple of Gitmo detainee files from Wikileaks and there was mention of Al Qaeda trying to have nuclear material in their possession to use as needed, so it was fresh in my mind.

Apparently they seized a lot of stuff from that "mansion" he was staying in--computer drives, storage devices, etc. Some good intelligence has to come out of that, though we may never hear specifics.

True, Mari. And now the US can give our allies that info too for them to prevent anything in the future that might relate to their countries. The threat now is from independent idiots with nothing better to do because they hate their lives so much. I was disgusted to read about the young child they used as a bomb last week. And of course, Osama would use his wife as a shield. Cowards.

I'm frankly amazed at all the celebration, back-patting and cheering. As far as I'm concerned, the killing was strictly symbolic: the guy who ordered the 9/11 activities and other terroriest activities and has evaded a 10-year manhunt, costing this and other nations thousands of lives and billions of dollars. It isn't like terrorism is going to stop. Cut off the head and twenty more will grow.

(Dorine)My biggest concern is that it will be nuclear at some point in time. That's always been the risk. Which is why we have to stay friends with Pakistan even though we know they're screwing us. Hillary put on a brave face yesterday thanking them for help in finding OBL.

(Pariah) the killing was strictly symbolic: Of course it was, but a huge symbol. Bin Laden himself made him a symbol with all the tapes he put out. I can't blame anybody and completely understand. Hillary thanked them for what? What the hell did they do?

Hillary thanked them for what? What the hell did they do? Nothing. She was trying to play nice, and not be confrontational, but they know we know what frauds they are.

Gotcha. Uh, oh. The story of what happened is changing already. Shades of Jessica Lynch (and a bit of Pat Tillman). Actually Jessica Lynch came straight to mind yesterday ready the increasingly detailed account of what went on. I did fleetingly wonder if that was the real story. It sounded *so* good.

What's the new story?

WH talks too much too soon. They need some help on crisis management. As someone on this topic said:"Can't you people get your story straight"?;-) ACLU, Human Rights Watchers etc are getting ready to pounce. They're playing into their hands as we speak. Everything doesn't have to be "transparent". It's OK to have secrets, and not jepordize future captures.

Discretion can be the better part of valor at times. Not sure why they had to rush some story out rather than the right story.

I was just thinking....I can see a movie in the making with Sean Penn taking the lead . Can't you just see him getting out of the helicoptor and storming the compound ....in desert fatigues, of course. And carrying a gun.... Now let's see who else could be part of that courageous Navy Seals group....hmmmmmm ROTF.