Oops, sorry, Meg�s movie was of course Agnes of God (visited her website). btw, strange indeed how much she does resemble Mrs. Firth.

Elena, I too, like Meg Tilly....esp. in Agnes of God (Golden Globe award?),Valmont and The Big Chill. Her career went south after V. But she is a very capable actress.And yes, she does resemble Livia (when she was younger). MT has two children by her first husband....we don't know...perhaps the court would not have allowed her to take them out of the country to live in London. Speculating...of course. But agree that it's not fair to blame her for the split.

(Gabriella) ...although I have experienced the glow-in-the-dark variety. I'm never able to keep a straight face--makes me think of air traffic controllers ;-D (Gabriella) The mundane turned into sheer glee when I happened to glance up from my shopping to the rows of magazines and spied the latest TV guide with CF and JE emblazoned across the front. Ooh...is it a new photo? Well, not new...but one we haven't seen before, perhaps? (Laura) I mean if chocolate produces the same feeling as sex (according the brain), then eating chocolate while having aforementioned activity should be pretty amazing! Well, I suppose it could happen. Personally, I think it would make me want to toss ;-p

Personally, I think the birth of new acronyms in the last few days have been priceless....CFCFC....or for short: CCC No one can ever accuse us of:a) being dull b) not be creative

I'm never able to keep a straight face--makes me think of air traffic controllers. Oh...ROFL!! Yes, yes. Totally concur with your assessment! In fact, after seeing the thing bobbing about the boudoir seemingly unattached to a body and undertaking a strange, almost ritualistic comic dance, I was unable to do *anything* but laugh. But that, of course, is another story. Ooh...is it a new photo? Well, not new...but one we haven't seen before, perhaps? Definiely not new...and have we seen it before? Well, I think probably yes, it is a very "standard" one of Lizzie and Darcy. Believe me, I am VERY sensitive to everyone's emotional and psychological needs for Darcyiana and if I thought these piccies were worth scanning and posting, then I truly would, without a moment's hesitation. But rest assured I don't think we are missing anything too huge. Could someone advise if I am correct in thinking Livia is pregnant? Either I'm completely misled, or I am pathetically gossip-challenged. Gabriella

Oops...sorry, I'm still getting the hang of HTML and forgot to close my italics. G

Let's see if I can fix it... (Evelyn) new acronyms in the last few days have been priceless....CFCFC....or for short: CCC Correction again: CFCFC or CFC. CCC has nothing much to do with the aforementioned report. It was just a recipe variation as discussed here, I guess... ;-)

Correction again: CFCFC or CFC. CCC has nothing much to do with the aforementioned report.It was just a recipe variation as discussed here, I guess... Thank you . I stand corrected. I don't want to decipher them again...but I thought some one referred to the items once as "CCC".Eliminating surname and F for flavor :-)

Gosh, sorry if I offended any MT fans. (Already you're regretting letting me on this site!) What prompted my digression was I had read something in which CF's sister said Colin ultimately was made to choose between living in isolation in Canada or having a career. One has to wonder, was there no middle ground? I mean, there ARE places to live other than Timbuktu... Anyway, as JA would say, we don't know the particulars, nor do I really feel comfortable delving into them. So back to Darcy (the reason we're all here): I've always wondered, were there other actors being considered for the part? Or was CF their first and only choice?

(SusanMC)Gosh, sorry if I offended any MT fans. (Already you're regretting letting me on this site!) LOL Susan...have no fear...; lots of people agree with you re; MT. As Nan says...if we all thought alike we wouldn't have anything to talk about.! I just happen to like MT as an actress...Recently, she was interviewed and said that she was no longer taking acting roles, she prefers to stay home with her three children.(She is also married to John Calley, CEO of Sony Pictures)

(Susan) Or was CF their first and only choice? Not sure if Colin was their first and only choice, but Sue Birtwistle has often said that she wanted Colin for the part and she had worked with him before on Dutch Girls. Is it in the "Making of" book? I've heard her refer to the casting in interviews for the videotape.

All of this talk of chocolate flavored condoms and wonder bras with breasts pointing skyward; ladies, I am all astonishment! Having recently delurked at CF�s conference, I thought I would take a tour of the other droolworthy topics. I do have a confession to make, however: I viewed and taped P&P2 when it first was aired on A&E in 1996, and then I put the tape way without watching it again until last year. I hope this confession does not find me exiled from further postings. Please allow me o explain. P&P has always been on my short list of favorite books. I was skeptical about the series, as I absolutely detest the 1940 version of P&P. As much as I admire Olivier, I felt that he did not do Darcy (or Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights, for that matter) justice. In any event, I loved P&P2, and was delighted by the wit, vivacity, and sexual tension which prevailed in the production. Like most of you, P&P2 made me take notice of CF, and I have followed his career ever since. Now then. Like I said, I put the tape away, and didn�t think much more about it, until around early November of last year. I began to work very long hours around this time and was in need of a relaxing diversion after work. It was then when I came across my tape of P&P2. I started watching it late at night, especially savoring the Darcy and Lizzy moments. Then an odd thing happened. I started to rewind and replay certain scenes over and over again: Darcy�s lustful look out the window apres bath; the dance at the Netherfield Ball where Darcy and Elizabeth�s hands touch; the Pemberly wet shirt scene, etc. You get the idea. Suddenly, I was approaching P&P2 with the fervor of a Rocky Horror Picture Show devotee: I had memorized lines, and could practically act out the scenes. I was getting worried�.would I next want to start throwing rice at the television screen? And then I found Drool and understood that this was merely a case of full-blown Firthaholism. It helps o much to name the ailment. Sorry for these digressions, but it feels so good to have found my support group. I am home.

( Lisa ) but it feels so good to have found my support group. I am home. And we'rethe luckier for it!! BTW I just mailed your "Making of P&P "tape. Enjoy!

I was approaching P&P2 with the fervor of a Rocky Horror Picture Show devotee: I had memorized lines, and could practically act out the scenes. I was getting worried�.would I next want to start throwing rice at the television screen? LOL! And then I found Drool and understood that this was merely a case of full-blown Firthaholism. Firthoholics Anonymous we (well, some of us ;-)... And no - I don't want to be cured!!!

Arami and the other experts, a question: are they milk or plain, just out of interest? And aren't they rather dangerous? I cannot taste a Mars bar, for example, without wishing to bite into it. I was going to come up with a 12-step programme, but as with every addiction, the victim must want to be cured. Since Arami emphatically does not, we are not going to get very far, I see. So, seeking to take something positive from Lisa's confession, perhaps a list of Rocky Horror-style audience participation gimmicks for P&P would be good. Anything is allowed, but remember that P&P is a family show and, in particular, there is no call anywhere for CFCs. (I was thinking more along the lines of bonnets, redcoats, music, various drinks....) Allez les Demoiselles! Get to work, and "I shall be the judge of it as occasion arises".

Darcy s On foot line is followed by: the Firthettes Dance to Netherfield Lots of curls bopping to the wind while our DB just follows along with a big grin.

(LisaJH) I do have a confession to make, however...I viewed and taped P&P2...then I put the tape way without watching it again until last year. I hope this confession does not find me exiled from further postings. Heck, no...I did the same thing. I think I put the tape away for about 6 months after I first watched it. Okay, so I watched it several times then put it away for 6 months--but you know what I mean ;-) (Ben) are they milk or plain, just out of interest? I prefer bittersweet, myself. And aren't they rather dangerous? I cannot taste a Mars bar, for example, without wishing to bite into it. Mars bar, huh? I can resist biting into anything which is devoid of nuts ;-p perhaps a list of Rocky Horror-style audience participation gimmicks for P&P would be good A couple of years ago, at the first Pemberley get together, they actually did a Rocky Horror P&P viewing. I don't remember all the details, but someone around here must have the script. It was hysterical. Okay, who remembers?

A couple of years ago, at the first Pemberley get together, they actually did a Rocky Horror P&P viewing. I don't remember all the details, but someone around here must have the script. It was hysterical. Okay, who remembers? Oh, okay. Here's The Script We departed from it a lot... that is we recited a lot more of the movie than the script indicates. It was a hoot. ;-)

Oh Myretta, thanks for the link. I swear I was ROTFLMHO! I wish I had been there!

(Nan), Mars bar, huh? I can resist biting into anything which is devoid of nuts How true! LOL! Myretta, what fun you had. I hope you will do the P&P musical next.

Myretta, That is brilliant! Perhaps I might have changed a couple of things - like drooling at EB's cleavage and throwing twigs at Darcy (instead of your way round) - but otherwise, excellent. Who invented them all?

Perhaps I might have changed a couple of things - like drooling at EB's cleavage and throwing twigs at Darcy (instead of your way round) - but otherwise, excellent. Who invented them all? I imagine you would have, Ben. This is why it's probably a good idea to keep these things segregated by gender. The script was largely done by Cheryl. Here's her business card, in case you want to get in touch with her:

Myretta, I should have know you'd have it handy. It's even funnier this time around. Cheryl just kills me. "Chief of the Tawdry Arts", indeed ;-)

Myretta, thanks ever so much for posting the link to the RHP&P2 script. Kudos to Cheryl. Haven't laughed this much in ages. Capital! Capital!....I have stockpiled enough endorphins to ward off a migraine or two! Alas, unbeknownst to me, my RH reference was not an original one.... There is something very intriguing about an interactive P&P2. Last night I was thinking how great it would be to have a P&P2 cd rom, and one could modify various scenes to one's liking......mmmmmm.

Great card. Fantastic card. I've often wondered where you found the C.18 font, by the way. Myretta - "That is why it is probably a good idea to keep these things segregated by gender." (If I weren't so hopelessly HTML-illiterate, I would quote this automatically). Is this why there are to be no men at the Pemberley gathering? (I quite accept this, though I am not so uncontrollable that I couldn't have a book handy, or a bowl of nuts to look into, or a scarf to knit while the Darcy drool is actually in progress.) Or do men cramp the droolin' style even in the virtual sphere, on this site?:-(.

Dear Ben, I think I can safely speak for everyone else in saying that you at least haven't cramped anyone's style by being here, au contraire! (LisaJH)Last night I was thinking how great it would be to have a P&P2 cd rom, and one could modify various scenes to one's liking......mmmmmm. Oh Lisa, this is the best idea ever!

(Ben)Or do men cramp the droolin' style even in the virtual sphere, on this site?:-(. You might have reformed us a bit..... ...........we're cleaner than we use to be..:-)

(Evelyn) BTW I just mailed your "Making of P&P "tape. Enjoy! Thanks, Evelyn. I can hardly wait.

(Evelyn) BTW I just mailed your "Making of P&P "tape. Enjoy! Thanks, Evelyn. I can hardly wait.

Arami and the other experts, a question: are they milk or plain, just out of interest? And aren't they rather dangerous? I cannot taste a Mars bar, for example, without wishing to bite into it. LOL, Ben! My expertise doesn't extend that far... (and BTW, opportunity is definitely not an issue here...;-D), but I happen to know that they're the most expensive of all c's on the market in UK, and really yummy. I was thinking that perhaps I should conduct some tests in the interest of empirical evaluation, but I'm really off chewing gum at the moment... I was going to come up with a 12-step programme, but as with every addiction, the victim must want to be cured. Since Arami emphatically does not, we are not going to get very far Nevertheless, why not let us evaluate your treatment - just in case there are some applicants after all... ;-)

(Arami)My expertise doesn't extend that far... Oh poor, Arami!!! Perhaps one should take the time to practice!

Oh, yes, pity me, indeed ;-)! But you are apparently diligent - perhaps you'd like to enlighten us further? :-)

(Arami)perhaps you'd like to enlighten us further? Now, I can't give away all my secrets, now can I?

Or do men cramp the droolin' style even in the virtual sphere, on this site?:-(. Ben, as Patas remarked, au contraire! BTW have you ever sampled the scrumptious chocolate delights of Fan Fic (#34). There are some stunningly talented ladies out there, and their writing is toe-curlingly good! Or perhaps Fan Fic is exclusively a woman-type thing. I've often wondered about this...men seem to reserve their enthusiasm for soccer and the prequels to Star Wars!!

the scrumptious chocolate delights of Fan Fic (#34) LOL! The atmosphere there often resembles titillating Victorian decadence... I remember a story in which rope and whipped cream played a significant part, but can't recall any chocolate episodes...

Oh good Lord, don't encourage him. However, lest he or any other intrepid sould dares to put a toe in the pool at #34, be forewarned. A healthy sense of humor is required. We have a ball writing and the more tawdry, the better.

(Arami) but can't recall any chocolate episodes... If I remember correctly there was some chocolate involved in that one as well. That story was deleted at the author's request...so all you kinky chicks out there who like that stuff, don't bother searching ;-p

so all you kinky chicks out there who like that stuff, don't bother searching ;-p Aaaaaaw. There's one in every crowd....:-) (I put an emoticon this time, Nan)

You are very good ;-)

(Nan) That story was deleted at the author's request...so all you kinky chicks out there who like that stuff, don't bother searching ;-p Isn't it back? I think it should be at the Archive. As I recall, there was hot fudge and whipped cream at a little cottage. ;-) Myretta, the Rocky Horror P&P was great! Too bad we didn't have it when we had our first get together at Bill's house. Would have liked to have seen Bill dressed up with a Wonder Bra as well. If we schedule a showing in NY, could you play that part Ben?

(Karen) Isn't it back? I think it should be at the Archive. As I recall, there was hot fudge and whipped cream at a little cottage. ;-) Yes, you're right. I didn't realize that you'd found her and added the story again. In fact, that's the first time I've been to the archives. Looks good. BTW, Lou's story really shouldn't have my name on it...I just added the visuals--she did all the work.

Lou's story really shouldn't have my name on it...I just added the visuals--she did all the work. You are too modest.

I look forward to Fan Fic. As for the wonder bra, be aware that you are conversing with Miss Trinity Hall 1987. At college, one of the charity fund-raising events - "Drag for Rag" - was a sponsored day, attending all lectures, supervisions and practicals, in a twin-set and pearls. I had three girlfriends dress and make me up v. expertly, and consequently won the prize at the evening Revue. (This was the key, it turned out - all the other oafs had ridiculous fishnets and miniskirts, with far too much make-up. The delicate hands of the experts, and moderation, was the answer. Without wishing to boast, I actually look d quite fetching.) I can only thank God that I'm a man, however. To think of having to go through that rigmarole every morning...not to mention periods, childbirth, the menopause.... I have nothing but admiration. (Nor would it only be the morning, obviously. For some reason I kept having to dive into the lav. (either men's or women's - I'd get weird looks in both), and daub some more lipstick on my chops. What a nightmare.)

Ben....I'd give anything to see a pic of "Miss Trinity Hall '87". And, pray tell...did you wear a Wonder Bra....'n "falsies"?

Too funny, Ben :-D What a good sport you are. Tell me, did they spare you the part where you shave your legs and did you have any problem "hiding the kitchen"? ;-p

Thanks, Ben, for being so sympathetic and understanding towards the discomforts of being female. A serious design flaw, if you ask me. I have no particular quarrel with Our Lord, but considering the way I've been put together, I sometimes think that he must have delegated the job to a junior assistant with a wandering mind.

(Miss Trinity Hall 1987) Without wishing to boast, I actually looked quite fetching. As others have requested on these boards, "I need proof!" ;-p Another thought, for the Rocky Horror P&P show, when the Superior Sisters ask if whether Darcy and Bingley have seen Lizzie's muddy petticoat, I'd say that calls for a can-can-like move. Ben, have done the female lead (Shirley MacLaine's part) in Can Can too? ;-)

(Me) "hiding the kitchen" It just occurred to me that this could be misinterpreted as vulgar by someone who didn't have any drag queen friends. I don't know why I didn't catch it sooner--I usually have a much dirtier mind ;-p So, just to clear it up and regain my reputation as a lady.... In Drag-queenese the "kitchen" is the point of hair at the back of the neck which sticks out from beneath a wig. See? Perfectly harmless ;-)

Thank you for that explanation, Nan. For some reason I thought it may have meant something else and was on the point of pulling the level of discussion here even lower. Anyway, my hair was quite long then, and rather unruly, so I didn't have a wig. (Why "kitchen", by the way?). Leg hair didn't seem that much of a problem, partly because the tights were reasonably thick. (This was a good thing, because it was bloody cold.) By the way, you can add bicycling in a tight skirt to my list of female burdens. I could only manage it by hitching the skirt right up, which prompted lots of mocking cat-calls from other students. How it should be done I never found out. There is a photograph, but it's buried deep in a box somewhere in England, so there's little hope of seeing my feminine side, short of "dragging" her out again...

Thank you for that explanation, Nan... I thought it may have meant something else and was on the point of pulling the level of discussion here even lower. Drat! I am seriously displeased (with Nan). ;-p

(Ben) For some reason I thought it may have meant something else and was on the point of pulling the level of discussion here even lower. Oh dear, don't tell me I'm responsible for stifling what would have been a very enjoyable read? While I wouldn't want to be accused of being a bad influence, I'm rather sorry I posted the explanation so soon. I can only imagine what was going through your head ;-) (Ben) (Why "kitchen", by the way?) I'm not sure. The explanation has to be either witty or raunchy (possibly both). The next time I speak with one of my friends, I'll ask. There is a photograph, but it's buried deep in a box somewhere in England, so there's little hope of seeing my feminine side Oh sure, Ben...here I was, scanner warmed up and ready to go...;-p (Arami) Drat! I am seriously displeased (with Nan). ;-p I know! When did I become such an adult? ;-p

Arami) Drat! I am seriously displeased (with Nan). ;-p I know! When did I become such an adult? ;-p Yeah....that prestigious Graduate School is cleaning-up our ole Nan oh Nan.

Evelyn, in answer to your original question, I made do with some strategically-placed cotton socks. These have a buoyancy all of their own, and a wonderbra was not necessary. (Anyway, had the contraption even been invented then?) Again, the secret was not do overdo it. I must have been, oh, around a b/c cup? The competition, lacking all self-control, stuffed huge balloons down their little tank-tops.

Oh Ben, what a man!!!!!!!!

Ben, what a good sport you were to dress up like a woman for an entire day! Your heightened appreciation of women after your "drag for a day" experience reminds me of the movie, Tootsie (another one of those movies on tape which I have practically worn out from repeated viewings), in the scene where Dustin Hoffman�s character realizes that his experience as Dorothy made him a better man�. Nan, your talk of drag queens takes me back to a Halloween party I attended in New York. A gay actor friend invited me to a party, which proceeded the Halloween parade in the Village. The party was great: drag queen heaven, if you know what I mean. :-) It was fun being the token straight female. I was having a wonderful time until I realized the "girls" (as they called themselves) all looked better in their dresses than I did in mine�..::sigh:: A very low body image moment; it was their lim hips which really did me in. ::wistful sigh::

Oops, I was trying to type "slim hips" in the above post.

Evelyn, in answer to your original question, I made do with some strategically-placed cotton socks. These have a buoyancy all of their own, and a wonderbra was not necessary. (Anyway, had the contraption even been invented then?) Again, the secret was not do overdo it. I must have been, oh, around a b/c cup? The competition, lacking all self-control, stuffed huge balloons down their little tank-tops.

(Nan) "hiding the kitchen" Perhaps what we're thinking of is the "kitchenette"! ;-)

(Ben)....I must have been, oh, around a b/c cup? The competition, lacking all self-control, stuffed huge balloons down their little tank-tops. Such dignity....no wonder you walked away with the prize:-)

(Karen) Perhaps what we're thinking of is the "kitchenette"! ;-) What you're thinking of (naughty girl!) would be the "basket" ;-) I'm sure there are other words for it, but I don't know them. Lisa, I'm just itching to answer your Halloween post, but fear that we are seriously off topic here. How about over at Odds and Ends (#72)?

(Nan) Lisa, I'm just itching to answer your Halloween post, but fear that we are seriously off topic here. How about over at Odds and Ends (#72)? Of course, Nan. You are absolutely right.....I should be drooling over Darcy here, instead of drag queens and the like. See you at Odds and Ends.

Hi all! THis is my first time on this board (I'm really only on the fan fic). But as I was reading the posts of above I came across something...there is a "making of P&P[2]" tape???? How could I have missed this??? can some one tell me where to find it??? PLEASE! thanks! I'll forever be indebted to you!

Hi Liz...glad to have you on this board...stick around. Do you live in the US? The Jennifer Ehle Lending Library has "The Making of P&P" (Actually, called "P&P from Page to Screen)in NTSC formatted for US televisions.We'll be glad to lend it to you. Email me if you are interested.

Evelyn, good for you!!! You really do check with all the web pages. Must put another Hawaiian essay on mine to keep it alive! Welcome, Liz! Go up to 113 and choose a keepsake to tend for Darcy, Lizzie, or other CF permutations!

Evelyn, I would LOVE to borow the making of P&P2 tape as well! what do i have to do? SBR

(SRRobinson) I would LOVE to borrow the making of P&P2 tape as well! Email me....first come....:-)

Hello, SBR, Sorry I did not get to talk to you over the weekend. Perhaps next thime?! Are you flooding, or is that north of you?

Hi Marcia! I just posted a "weather" report over on 113- but i'm fine. :) no flooding. lots of rain though- How's David holding up? Next weekend definately! :)

High and dry, thankfully. He's into WX and has gadgets to monitor it. He was the one who told me and sent me the warning he found from the Ca. water board. Thanks for asking =) Did see your message on 113. Interesting antipodal postings!

Ooof! Scotland! Love it!!! I saw on 116. Wonderful. Must talk on the weekend for sure! And how lucky for you to have a firthette in your family. My family thinks I'm totally weird since he is just a bit older than son David. Funny, I do not think of CF that way =). Perhaps that is why I am firthst and foremost a Darcy Drooler.

I have been re-viewing the P&P tapes. A nice way to spend these cold evenings. I know we've rehashed so many of the scenes but since there are so many newer people posting lately, I thought they might like to bring some of their thoughts into the conversation. This scene always bothers me each time I see it though it's one of my absolute favorites. In the drawing room at Netherfield (tape 1) when Lizzy exclaims she is not a great reader, then shortly after Darcy mentions another accomplishment ladies should have..."in the improvement of her mind by extensive reading. In the series, Lizzy clearly thinks this is a slap. She quickly responds to the effect that Darcy's lofty requirements are too much for any woman to attain. It is clear to me that Darcy me nt it as a compliment. Apparently Lizzie is so convinced by this time that everything he says is meant as a dig to her and her family that she can't see a compliment when he gives it to her. It's an excellent scene, of course, but I want to shake Elizabeth for not comprehending. And for not noticing that powerfully sexy stare he's giving her after her "impertinence". Then at the Netherfield ball, Lizzy and Darcy's dance...I love watching the people standing to the side watching the dancers and talking among themselves. How come no one notices who Elizabeth is dancing with? Mrs. Bennet must only have eyes for Jane and Bingley and is not aware her other daughter is dancing with one of the richest men in the country. Surely she'd quickly overcome her distaste for the man if she thought Elizabeth had a chance. Mr. Collin watches her but the importance of this dance ce tainly escapes him. That old matchmaker, Mr. Lucas, is the only one who seems to notice. Another thing during the dance, Lizzy and Darcy are so wrapped up in each other, they're almost rude to their other partners when the dance steps require they are part of a foursome. The other partners nod or smile when they all come together, but L & D are so wrapped up in their thrust and parry, they are oblivious to all else. Any comments on the above or anything else are welcome.

Heide, i agree that Lizzy thinks he's insulting her with the improvement of her mind comment and with your observation that she's already made up her mind that his comments will always be a dig at her and/or her family. i got this impression even more in reading the book, than i did in watching the movie. And that stare he gives her!!! Hello! how does she keep from melting into one big Lizzy puddle on that yellow couch? now, it just so happens, i was watching tape one last night (yes i know... you're all shocked) :) ...and i noticed something i never had before. At the Meryton Assembly Rooms, when Lizzy over hears Darcy saying she was tolerable, etc. As she stands up to make her way to Charlotte, there's a man standing behind her wearing a yellow waistcoat, he's holding something (not a pipe) and belowing smoke out of his mouth. Has anyone else seen this, or know what the heck it is? i was driving my mom crazy cause i ept rewinding, and watching - rewinding, and watching - trying to figure it out. SBR

Hello! This is my 1st posting here(but I've been observing for some time) In reply to Heide, I also wonder why when Darcy and Lizzy dance nobody sees them! It seems that they're all "blind"! I expect that people should be staring at them instead of chatting and gossiping in their own ways without giving a glance to the very unusual pair! I think I've seen that "yellow man", but I never pay much attention to him. Will watch the vid tomorrow morning and see if I could come up anything. Most probably I'll be as confused as you, trying, in vain, to figure it out! My most fave part is definitely the part when Lizzy and Darcy meet in the garden of Pemberley. It's just awesome and I always repeating that part for many times which irritates my sister VERY much! She's often so fed up that she walks away! I saw you guys mentioning the vid of the making of P&P2. I would really love to know more about that. Can anyone tell me more? I'm living in a very deserted place where I can get nothing of or about P&P2(except they shown the series 3 years ago). Would love to watch that "Making of P&P2" vid. Giz

Hello GiGi and welcome! :) I'm relatively new here at Drool myself, and have found everyone to be simply wonderful. I currently have the 'making of P&P2' video and i'm enjoying it very much indeed. :) You'll have to email Evelyn when she gets back from London about getting your hands on it next. I concur with your favorite moment of P&P2- (although there are several i flip back and forth between, depending on my mood) Actually that was the first scene i ever saw. I was fipping through channels one day and i passed this gorgeous guy stripping next to a lake. I thought:'i dont know what the heck this is... but i bet its gonna be good!' I was more than slightly annoyed when the show ended a few minutes later. i didnt see it again till more than a year later, when a friend of mine brought the six tap s over for me to watch. i was about 10 mins in, when i suddenly realized it was the same movie and blurted out: "this is that movie where he dives in a lake and then meets that girl, isnt it?" i've been addicted ever sence. :) anyway... let me know what you think about the guy in the yellow wasitcoat. glad you delurked! SBR

I was fipping through channels one day and i passed this gorgeous guy stripping next to a lake. I thought:'i dont know what the heck this is... but i bet its gonna be good!' What a fortuitous moment for you. Too bad you didn't tune in the next day (or the next week) to get the LOOK scene when Lizzy's playing the piano. But all worked out well since you saw it eventually. You've given me yet another reason to watch the tape again. A man in yellow smoking a pipe? I confess I've never seen. Gigi, so glad you posted! I hope you'll stay awhile. My most fave part is definitely the part when Lizzy and Darcy meet in the garden of Pemberley. Perhaps my favorite too...but there are so many. Love the way the music builds to a crescendo. Such a climax.

Hello!! SBR, you're right. Everyone seems to be very friendly and wonderful here. Thanks for telling how to get "the Making of P&P2" vid. I'll email Evelyn when she's back. Just got back from checking the yellow waistcoat man. Well, he seems to be smoking a pipe when Lizzy and Mary are talking about observing and dancing. I think that is just a weird looking pipe. He's also talking to the old lady next to him. But then, when Lizzy walks to Charlotte, that man seems to be smoke a straw like thingy rather than a pipe. It just looks like an extremely long, but thin cigar. I also notice that there's no smoke coming out from the pipe thing at all. It is rather strange, I think. Gigi

The long thin things they smoke are clay pipes. These were quite common especially in the country. You can still find broken pieces scattered in the garden and farm soil all over England. The small head holds only very little tobacco - it wasn't serious smoking then, and at that time still rather unpopular with high society. In the early 19th century, some house owners forbade smoking indoors and sent their smoking guests to the servants' quarters for a puff. I imagine Mr Darcy would do that in Pemberley.

(Heide) Apparently Lizzie is so convinced by this time that everything he says is meant as a dig to her Which speaks to the heart of their conflict. Later in the same evening, Lizzy tells Darcy his character defect is to "hate everybody;" he says hers is to "woefully misunderstand them" (or words to that effect). That Netherfield exchange is one of my favorites as well. It wasn't until my second viewing (on video) until I understood all this. I hadn't read the book so I didn't know the story. I first watched the series during A&E's second showing (2/97). They did 3 episodes on a Saturday and the rest the next day. I think the show ran until midnight that Saturday and I was falling asleep. I missed the whole Rosings thing. It wasn't until 'the LOOK' the next day that I was signed, sealed and fully delivered. And here I am, two years later! I didn't notice the smoking. Will check next time.

"...wilfully to misunderstand them."

Thanks Arami, i knew somebody here would know what was up with the smoke! :)

In Darcy's case it's steam, not smoke...

Hot...Smoldering steam...

SBR, you are quite right. A little local color, the gent with the yellow waistcoat smoking the little clay pipe. There are all sorts of curious people in the background at the assembly - some quite potted by the looks of it =)

What always grabbed my attention in the past was that the men were all short with v. bad wigs! Read that their height was important to make Darcy appear taller. Guess 6'1 wasn't enough!

Darcy and his ilk were not wearing wigs. Why did the good men of Meryton not seek to emulate their betters. Is that not what fashion is all about? Or were they hopelessly behind the times?

No, I meant that P&P2's hairstylists might have done a bit better. It's one of the few criticisms I have about the production.

In the early 19th older men, especially those living in the country, had preference for earlier styles - breeches, stockings, powdered wigs, - whilst younger men would naturally follow the new trends: long pantaloons or trousers, and no wigs. Instead it became very fashionable to sport a full head of rich curls, and since not everyone was appropriately blessed by Mother Nature in quite the same way as Mr Darcy and Mr Bingley, every morning lots of gentlemen had their hair elaborately styled by their vale s using hot curling tongs.

True, but Uncle Gardiner and Mr Bennet did not wear wigs. Neither did Charlotte's father, for that matter, and he thought he was elevated in class. Makes me wonder who got the better curling iron, the men or the women?!

IMO the production spent more time (for obvious reasons) on the speaking characters' hair than on the extras. Take a look next time you watch P&P2's assembly and ball scenes.

Uncle Gardiner and Mr Bennet were forward-looking older men... slightly "Dickensian" in appearance, I'd say.

Yes, and yes! They obviously spent (low budget that it must have been)less on the extras than on the focal characters, but until I nit-picked it, I had not noticed. Actually, it was absolute months and months before I noticed anything but Darcy. It is still a conscious effort to drag my eyes from him! Yes, Dickensian is the word! Indeed they do look like they'd popped out of David Copperfield!

I thought I had nit-picked enough until I read the "Did you Notice" section at Yvette's P&P Paradise (link is available at firth.com) I missed almost all of what's on the list. I've lost count of how many times I've watched this--something like 15 in two years. I did what you did through most viewings, Marcia. He is rather captivating!

Thanks, Eileen, I'll check when I am finished here. I ended up with Darcy pics everywhere printed out from the jpegs. I said it gave new meaning to Computer Wallpaper =P My PC also started Windows to the theme from P&P2 and closed them with the end of the credits music. All of my Email notices and other computer noises were all his quotes. Amazing!!! Of course, he was my PC Wallpaper, too

Was? Were? So who is it now, then, huh?

(Arami)Was? Were? So who is it now, then, huh?Was? Were? So who is it now, then, huh? Well, it is in there hiding. He still announces my mail, says "hang on, Hang on!" whenever I do something the PC does not like, but with W95, I cannot stand all those icons others must have there all over his tiled pix. I am working on it...I shall not be deterred. Just have to be a little more subtle.

If it is not CF, it is not done! Period! Darcy goes back up directly!

Marcia- i have W95 and would love to have Darcy speaking to me, and decorating my screen. When you have everything to your liking- will you email me instructions on how to do it? (remembering of course that i am hopelessly techno challenged) If i can figure out how to do it, i can start secretly 'sabotageing' the PCs at work. Anything to promote the DB! :)

Count on it =) I have wav files and bmp files. The latter you use for wallpaper. I shall send you my fav montage. if you want any others I can send them, too. AS SOON AS THE IDIOTS AT HAWAII ON LINE GET MY EMAIL UPA DN RUNNING. They were to have completed their upgrading the system by 6am. It is now 1pm and I still cannot get or send Eamil. However I will tell you to go into your icon called "explore windows". all sort of manila folders are in there. Make a new one (highlight C: and go to File at top, then new then folder. Name it P&P2 or Darcy. Put all the stuff I am sending you in there.

BTW, SBR, have my tape recorder all loaded for tomorrow's SiL viewing =)) I'll get your song for you.