Forgot that end tag. It's in and the next time you all come back to the topic it will be OK. No need for everyone to keep trying. Done. :)

The BJD interview is marvellous....I hooted when I first read it! Thanks Karen for spreading the word! Shows CF is very adept at sending himself up...didn't HF comment somewhere that he really entered into the spirit of the "interview". And took her on a tour of Rome. Lucky girl!

Karen, Thanks for posting the picture of the smile. I'm starting to get a hankering to watch P&P again. I think it's been about 8 months and that's a kind of record with me. I was at Sam's Warehouse looking at the books the other day and I looked up a very quickly scanned the next aisle which was videos. All of a sudden my heart starts pounding and I'm not quite sure why. As I slowly rescan,yes, there he is-my darling Darcy with $34.99 sticker slapped on his face. I must never let my husband know that I sprang for the full $100 for the vids. He just would never understand the obession. :-))

Sorry for the various typos in my post, but my heart is still pounding. I'm sure you ladies understand. The thought of Darcy just makes my blood heat up. I think I have a fever.

(Sue) I sprang for the full $100 for the vids You're not alone. I'm certain we all are getting our money's worth! Karen, great snappy. You caught him just at the right time. Insert Moon's interpretation of what he was thinking and viola! I howled when I read BJ's interview. How about their discussion of "erotic?"

(Sue) I was at Sam's Warehouse looking at the books the other day and I looked up a very quickly scanned the next aisle which was videos. All of a sudden my heart starts pounding and I'm not quite sure why. As I slowly rescan, yes, there he is-my darling Darcy with $34.99 sticker slapped on his face. LOL!!! I know exactly what you mean! When I'm shopping at Costco (Cal's version of Sam's) and my family loses me- they know to go look down the 'Darcy isle' where invariably -there I am, starring at that gorgeous man, a look of complete adoration on my face. Then i hear the lecture; "you are not buying another copy of that movie!" (i have two copies currently. one for me, one to lend out!) :)

Ah yes, over here too at Costco. Talk about sticker shock! My Original was $104 but I had a $20 coupon from the store (Suncoast Video), so it cost me, in the end, a bit less than $100. At this price I just might get another and "save" it for when all the others are all streaky from wear and tear and drooling.

I understand the new DVD version of P&P is even better than the VHS one. Anybody see it yet? There was a discussion on the P&P Board about it.

(SBR) they know to go look down the 'Darcy aisle' That is too funny. The Darcy aisle!! And you have two sets of it? I will only lend out the one I taped off of television. So what if those people don't get the other 18 minutes. I couldn't bear to part with my *good* set. That $35 price is pretty tempting and I did get Laura one of those, but if I get another, it will be the DVD. Re: BJ's Interview of Mr. Darcy Bethan originally posted the interview for us at Drool, laboriously typing the whole thing. I loved the differences between Paul Ashworth and Mr. Darcy. "Mr. Darcy is not an Arsenal supporter. He lived nearly 200 years ago. Whereas Mr. Darcy can't even tolerate a country dance."

Evelyn, one of my friends has the DVD version. Her husband went to Costco and bought it for her as a B-day present. The poor (dear) man stood in line for 20 mins holding just that in his hand. He claims to have recieved several odd looks. :) i havent seen it yet, but she told me that it has the BBC/A&E beginning inbetween each hour like the tapes do. I think that's kinda werid, i was rather hoping they would fix the out of order scenes at the end of tape 5 and beginning of tape 6, and just run the whole thing together. Karen, every time i think of that interview i start giggling again! :) How did i miss Bethan's wonderful work? Must have been during my occasional lurking days, before i was so throughly addicted to Drool. :)

I have been lurking for ages but can stand it no more! Just a few a weeks ago I read Bridget Jones....and now have just read the interview! I'm still laughing! I think it's time to watch P&P2 again! Oh, he is just too cute!

(SR Robinson)...one of my friends has the DVD version. Does she see a measurable difference in the quality of the film? In other words....should we go for the $34.at SAm's or spend the extra amount (which will be a lot more!) for the DVD.

Hey AMess...welcome to the Spring group. We love it when new folks join us.. Jump in and give us your comments any ole time. We never tire of hearing Colin-friendly remarks.

Welcome AMess (interesting name, one that hits quite close to home!) Since you've read BJ the book and now the interview, did you read the continuing column at the Telegraph? If not, we can give you instructions on how to get to it. We have a Bridget topic here at Drool. It is #80. Take a look there. We go on and on about who should be cast in the movie, if they ever make it. Evelyn, I heard that the DVD is just like the tapes as SBR only better quality. They didn't go back and add anything as they do for other DVDs. Oh well...

Feel very guilty about putting out the blunt at the time too...especially since they played the full version (sans commercials) on A&E's "Classroom" and I could tape it for free...anyway also made copies of the valuable one and only watch the copies.

(Evelyn) ...should we go for the $34.at SAM's or spend the extra amount (which will be a lot more!) for the DVD. Actually I think the DVD version is only about $5 or $10 more- at least at Costco. will check when i'm there tommrow and let you know. :) My friend doesnt have her own copy of P&P tapes, but she thinks her's is a sharper image than when she watched it at my house. Welcome AMess! Love the name! :)

When I was visiting StefanieB last year, she and I watched all of her versions. She has the original videotapes, Laser Disc and DVD. Unfortunately, Laser disk is great and clear as is the DVD, but you have to watch endings and recaps of the previous episode before each new installment - just like on the six volume tapes. I am quite content with the video, but with the DVD you can hop around like you can on a CD music disk. So it is easier to avoid Mrs Bennet, Mr Wickham and Mr Collins! And to concent ate on ODB, but I do not think there is slo-mo on either of the two more exotic forms. (Correct me if I'm wrong!!!)

you have to watch endings and recaps of the previous episode before each new installment - just like on the six volume tapes. I don't have this on mine (only the theme and credits at the beginning of each tape). ??? I bought them in April of '97; perhaps they changed 'em by then. but I do not think there is slo-mo on either of the two more exotic forms. This will never do. Got to have that slo-mo! Ever go to hit the rewind button then realize you're watching a movie real-time? I do that alot.

(Eileen)Ever go to hit the rewind button then realize you're watching a movie real-time? I do that alot. Sheesh, the story of my life. That is what made me so restless in SiL. I kept obsessing on the fact that I could not go back and drool quietly(in public, you know) and reverently! But when you are watching on TV, it is even worse. I yell "Instant Replay" whether it is sports or not! They never listen to me =P

I have forgotten myself. In answer to your question, Elena, this belongs on Drool:

And that of course is the right side (our left). Thank you Karen.

What exactly is that in his pocket? Avenging angel indeed.

Wow...god bless the Snappy!!

Nice Karen, but I have a certain dragging scene snappy I will send you later for your bulge collection. Outstanding!!! Heide, he is carrying an old-fashioned sash weight for self protection as he prowls about the seedier parts of London searching for the errant Lydia. Evelyn, Amen, Firth-Sister of hightst regard =)

Thank you Karen, the nature of bulges is quite clear to me now. Absolutely seminal work! (Heide)What exactly is that in his pocket? I�d really like to see it. Probably a pair of socks, or two pairs:-)

Always happy to help out. Now if only someone had the one coming down the stairs at Netherfield. Looking forward to receiving the Snappy, Marcia.

(Heide)What exactly is that in his pocket? (Marcia) Heide, he is carrying an old-fashioned sash weight for self protection He's carrying weight all right, but I don't know about one intended for self protection! Hee hee ;-P Reminds me of the old adage: "Do you have something in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

"Do you have something in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" ROTFLOL...never heard of that one!!! Myabe they gave him a bag of marbles like they gave Viola/Thomas Kent:-) Didn't Mr. Darcy and Mr Bingley have a contest on their bulges?...or so it was reported in a tab.

"Do you have something in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" That is a famous Mae West line...so I am told by those old enough to remember =P

The correct quote is: "Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?" I've always loved it and admit to having used it now and again. :-D

Yes, Moon, Thank you...I'd never have imagined you were that old =P

Not as fun, but I wanted to let you all know: the house next to Antonio's is called "Bennett's". I never saw Lizzie there, nor did Mr. D. come to visit :-(

(Evelyn)Didn't Mr. Darcy and Mr Bingley have a contest on their bulges?...or so it was reported in a tab. I�m thinking about bulges too, must be the spring or something:-D Yes, was this famous Bulges Contest just some sort of tabloid sh** or is it from a reliable source?? I don�t remember, maybe somebody does. Surely it wasn�t a Colin quote?

Gi, if Darcy had been to visit, we would make it a site for pilgrimages to rival Fatima! Too bad! But had it been so, we might never have gotten you back ;) Elena, that comment was supposedly made by Bingley's interpreter, Never Darcy's!!! And, considering his less-than-staggering intellect and the sact that it was reported in a less-than-reliable news source...!

Hello there! Here I am joining yet another CF topic. There are a couple of things about P&P2 that I have been thinking about for a while, and would like to share them with you. First, in "The Making of P&P" book there is a picture of E&D walking that has the caption Darcy's second proposal(if you have the book, it is on page 81).This photograph is different from what we see on screen; it shows Bingley and Jane behind them, and Darcy is playfully turning to Elizabeth, who is smiling wide. This makes me think that there were parts they cut out, and I cannot say how angry that makes me feel. I wonder if Simon Langton could be prevailed upon to issue a director's cut; would willingly write to anyone who could make it happen. Also, I read an interview with AD, in which he says that what he tried to express in his dramatization is that Darcy gets aroused whenever he looks at Lizzy (ahem, he used another expression). Now, isn't that too funny? I know that some lucky ladies here have the Making of P&P video, and I would really like to know how I can get a copy. I have looked in several JA mail order services without results. Can someone help? I will not risk sounding forward or pretentious by asking anyone to lend their copy to a stranger! Something that really annoys me about the final episode is that when D&E are walking out of the church, a girl moves right in front of the camera, blocking them out of view. Why did they not re-shoot? No wonder this is the episode I watch the least. Do not misunderstand, I absolutely love this movie, but P&P is so dear to me that I cannot help but take offense at such oversights. Has anyone seen P&P1 (Garvie/Rintoul)? I bought the tape, maily because there is a picture of E&D walking arm-in-arm on the cover, and I thought it would have the final chapter of the book. It does, but I declare! what a waste! I thought I was watching a skit from SNL...I laughed histerically. Some people at the RoP think this version closer to the spirit of the book, but I utterly disagree. This version has no spirit, and just the fact that it uses the title "First Impressions" under P&P should te l it all. JA never used that title again. I know Fay Weldon, who wrote the script, is a well respected writer, and is still very active, but I despise what she did here. I think our own fan fic writers would do a better job. Ann2 & Pamela T of BoI and our own Eileen come to mind. Well, now that I have unburdened myself, nothing remains but to thank you for your forbearance.

(Lidya)I know that some lucky ladies here have the Making of P&P video, and I would really like to know how I can get a copy. I will not risk sounding forward or pretentious by asking anyone to lend their copy to a stranger! First of all No One on Spring is a stranger...we all trust each other implicitly. Secondly: "Your Lucky Day",... Lidya....The Jennifer Ehle Lending Library has a NTSC copy of the "Making of P&P"(actually called "P&P From Page to Screen"..same, same)Please email me and I will get one off to you...if you live in the US, that is...our copy will not work in Europe..

yawn yawn time to fix the italics... It is done. Now onto the donuts... ;-)

Italics don't seem fixed to me:)

Amazing how that works. Mr Darcy, did you do it???

Italics don't seem fixed to me:) No, they didn't because an italicized message was on the screen at the time. How many times I gotta tell you!! ;-)

Karen, sometimes you *need* to draw them a picture =P

Is anybody out there? I have been thinking of his first proposal, and wonder what I would answer. I think the expression on his face is so beautiful, and how he walks about the room, sits down, looks at her for a second, stands up again and then...sigh...he lets loose. "In vain I have struggled. It will not do. My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire...and love you." Pardon me...I just fainted...

Lidya, am having heart papitations right along with you... *sigh* If he had just cut off his proposal speech there -i would have would have been hard pressed not to bellow out "YES" in a very unlady like manner and attact the darling boy. But like an idiot he keeps talking, and pretty much everything after the I admire...and love you is so insulting that i probably would have slapped him. But still.... *sigh* He could tell me how much he admires and loves me any time he wants... (Drool, drip,drip...)

(Eileen) He could tell me how much he admires and loves me any time he wants... (Drool, drip,drip..) And by the look on Lizzie's face in the carriage on the way home....as she remembered those same words....she was impressed too.

(Eileen) He could tell me how much he admires and loves me any time he wants... Thanks for the credit, Evelyn, but it was SBR's comment. Not that I feel any differently! If Lizzy hadn't run into Col. Fitzwilliam that day, she wouldn't have known about Darcy's interference with her sister and Bingley. Poor Darcy might have stood a better chance. If he skipped the uppity stuff and jumped to "I beg you most fervently to end my suffering and consent to be my wife"--movie over!

Eileen: "I beg you most fervently to end my suffering and consent to be my wife" Oh Eileen, this is one of my favorite sentences! I have to agree with SBR. As much as I adore him, even when he behaves like such a snob (he looks so gorgeous walking about like a peacock), I would not have accepted a man who thought so little of me, and who considered me his inferior. I would like Lizzy much less if she had said yes to a proposal so dismissive and disrespectful. CF says that Darcy is just honest to a fault, and could not refrain from explaining his reasons, but I also think that he didn't really care about wounding her feelings. Not until his feelings are trampled on, does he realize what his faults are. Don't you agree that Lizzy is such a role model for us all women? She doesn't let anyone push her down.

(Lidya) Don't you agree that Lizzy is such a role model for us all women? She doesn't let anyone push her down. Indeed I do agree Lidya! Lizzy knows her own worth, and is not swayed by greed or desperation. Think of all the unhappy divorices that would not occur and children that would not be living in single family homes if women today adopted such standards as Lizzy did in her life. I adore him, even when he behaves like such a snob (he looks so gorgeous walking about like a peacock) LOL!! I coulnt agree more! ;) (more Drool, drip,drip,drip)

Yes, a role model that is someone lost in today's society, just look at Monica. It gets to me to see all those women buying her (so-called), book. Then again, how many true gentlemen are there? That is why we get along so well here at Spring, we are of one mind. :-D

(Moon) just look at Monica I nearly gagged last night during one of the entertainment shows when Donald Trump announced his intent to make her a judge in the Miss USA or Miss Universe pageant. Gasp! Choke! A judge of what?! Is there a new category in the competition? The Donald will do anything for publicity. The spirit of Lizzy is lost indeed. (Lidya) I would like Lizzy much less if she had said yes to a proposal so dismissive and disrespectful Darcy thinks he's telling her that he loves her *so* much, he's willing to set aside all the other issues. Until she tells him off, he has no clue as to how offensive his remarks are. IMO it wasn't his intention to insult her--just the opposite.

I hope Lidya's couch is a very long one. I am also saying, "Move over!" Even in his anguish he is lovely. But, can you imagine the arrogance of some guy telling you he is(implied)sexually deprived and he wants you to end his suffering?! What is he going to do for you?! There is something decidedly distasteful in that whole discourse. He should have kept quiet while he was ahead. But then, it would have been a short story, not a novel of delight for all these years! Heaven Help Us when we have Monica (!!!) judging women. She is worse than Spam! (Eileen)Is there a new category in the competition? LOL! I cannot imagine what her expertise is...Kneeling won't help her this time =P

What is he going to do for you?! Do you need a picture?

What is he going to do for you?! Do you need a picture? Oooooooooh....Do you have one? I *know* what he does for me. It might have been nice to let her know, too ;)

can you imagine the arrogance of some guy telling you he is(implied)sexually deprived and he wants you to end his suffering?! I can image HIM telling Me that he's secually deprived and wants me to end his suffering! ;) Infact, I'll think i'll go imagine that right now.... be back later.

Marcia: can you imagine the arrogance of some guy telling you he is(implied)sexually deprived and he wants you to end his suffering?! What is he going to do for you?! There is something decidedly distasteful in that whole discourse. I have to admit that I do not take offense. We must remeber also that this is AD's addition; he does not say it like that in the novel. In it he only says that he hopes his attachment will be rewarded by her acceptance of his hand. I think maybe we are attaching sexual connotations (is that all we think about, perhaps?) to the sentence, but in the early 1800 it would refer more to his emotional state. Just a thought. Moon: just look at Monica. It gets to me to see all those women buying her (so-called), book I totally agree. I was saying to a friend today, that if I had been given the opportunity to work in the White House, my object would never have been to have an affair with anyone, let alone the President. I would have instead looked to further my careeer and my knowledge. Working in such a place where history is made every day,and meeting important and interesting people would have been of much greater importance to me.

(Marcia)Heaven Help Us when we have Monica (!!!) judging women. She is worse than Spam ......OK sucking the **** of your boss is not exactly the neatest way to get publicity nor the best conduct in the office anyway :-) but what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? She wanted him and acted accordingly, foolish of her of course but really it�s not HER who reminds me of spam in this case. I really wish that a stupid mistake like that won�t spoil the rest of the poor girl�s life.

(Elena) but what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? She wanted him and acted accordingly, foolish of her of course but really it�s not HER who reminds me of spam in this case Uck! both of them disgust me! And so what if she wanted him? Since when is wanting something or somebody license to act on that desire?

(S B Robinson)He could tell me how much he admires and loves me any time he wants... (Eileen)Not that I feel any differently! I have a wav. file whereby he tells me just that! Whoever wants it, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. (Lidya McCarthy)Don't you agree that Lizzy is such a role model for us all women? She doesn't let anyone push her down. You mean she doesn't kneel for anyone? ;-) (Sorry, I couldn't resist, especially if we are going to discuss "that woman") (S B Robinson)Indeed I do agree Lidya! Lizzy knows her own worth, and is not swayed by greed or desperation. Think of all the unhappy divorices that would not occur and children that would not be living in single family homes if women today adopted such standards as Lizzy did in her life. Hear hear! (Eileen)The spirit of Lizzy is lost indeed. 'Tis not! Not around here, it seems to me. (Eileen)Darcy thinks he's telling her that he loves her *so* much, he's willing to set aside all the other issues. Until she tells him off, he has no clue as to how offensive his remarks are. IMO it wasn't his intention to insult her--just the opposite. I think you're absolutely right there. Isn't it what Colin says about how he decided to play it? (Re: The Making of P&P)Colin does the same kind of reasoning about Lord Wessex in SiL - that his actions and words seem natural *to Wessex* in his situation, and that he could not understand why Viola would find him offensive or distasteful. (Marcia)Monica...is worse than Spam! ...Kneeling won't help her this time =P LOL! But kneeling will be the only thing that'll help her, and I predict she'll be asked to do that a lot during her whole life. (S B Robinson)I can image HIM telling Me that he's sexually deprived and wants me to end his suffering! ;) Infact, I'll think i'll go imagine that right now.... be back later. ROTFLOL!

(Elena)what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? For my part, it is not the fact that she wanted to have sex with her boss and had it, many young women go that way, but the fact that she talked about it and in such detail. Gentlemen do not discuss their liaisons...and neither do ladies. IMO, both of them should have said, when asked, that sex was a private thing and nobody else's business.

You all are right about Darcy. I was just being spiteful for the moment. I am never disappointed with the seriousness and wisdom which comes from the ladies of Drool when a topic worthy of their concern surfaces. Makes me proud to be one of you - for yet another reason =) SB, wait up for me. I want to bponder, too!!!

Spiteful, Marcia? No, you had it right - he might think he wasn't being offensive, but he was, and as Lizzie would not accept him, neither would I.

(Elena)but what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? I really wish that a stupid mistake like that won�t spoil the rest of the poor girl�s life. What I censure about her is her lack of principles. Did she not admit to lying all of her life, and not thinking it is wrong? It is true that people make stupid mistakes all the time, but if you have integrity and a sense of personal dignity, your mistakes are less likely to damage so many others in so grand a scale. I cannot feel pity for a woman who lets a man use her for nothing else than an entertainment. Though I value fidelity very highly, it is not the fact that she had an affair with a married man that lowers her imo, but that she did it with a man who could not give her anything in return. Why he never even condescended to have full intercourse with her! How little does she esteem herself as a woman and as a human being. Gi:I have a wav. file whereby he tells me just that! Whoever wants it, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. I want it! Eileen)The spirit of Lizzy is lost indeed. 'Tis not! Not around here, it seems to me. I agree. Isn't it great? Gi:as Lizzie would not accept him, neither would I. But would you accept the second time around? I know I have, so many times...sigh...

(Marcia) She is worse than Spam! LOL!! (Elena) but what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? I don't despise her but think her "young and dumb." She was/is naive and had/has poor impulse control (we won't get into the behavior of the other party). I watched the Barbara Walters interview. I don't begrudge her writing the book. But all this other stuff? Shut up and get on with your life, Monica! (SBR)In fact, I'll think i'll go imagine that right now.... be back later. Ooh, should we check out Fan Fic? ;-p

I wonder if anyone has a snappy of the first proposal scene? His eyes after he hears her rejection make me want to sob! I bet he would have fallen to his knees and declared his undying love if she had said yes, but alas, it was not to be, thanks to his abominable pride.

This one??? Might not be the right one.

*sigh* that snappy works for me. I'll sob right along with you Lidya :) Then I'll indulge in a lovely fanasy where He turns to me for comfort *double sigh* ....

Great topic, Lidya, and one to sink the teeth into. The comments have been very entertaining. I have a hard time now whenever I read the book to figure out if I'm influenced by AD's POV or if I truly do see all these sexual undercurrents which I totally missed when I was 12 and first read it. But it's drool here so let your fantasy fly. So....if Darcy had skipped all that stuff after love and gone right to relieve my suffering and consent to be my wife, maybe Elizabeth would have gone for it. What a match for the family! What a face! What a body! He's been fairly agreeable at Hunsford. Lizzy, go for it! It would have taken so long for them to get out of bed, by the time she had learned what Darcy did to Jane and Bingley the equation would already be in his favor: looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." Marcia, I confess I never thought of his suffering as being sexual. Thanks for the lightbulb. I suppose his manservant or at least the maids must have been wondering why they were changing the sheets so often.

I have to try that equation again without the strikeout: looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." (I'm going for sex appeal cubed but don't know how to do superscript.)

Now I've gone and done it.

LOl Heide. It's quarter past ten on Friday night here and I've had too much to drink (alcohol, ie) ... so don't you mean a googleplex of sex appeal? ;p

(Heide), looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." LOL, Heide! You have many talents. I bet Dilbert could use your help.

(Heide), looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." (Leanne) so don't you mean a googleplex of sex appeal? LOL, Heide and Leanne! ...and the square root of the hypotenuse equals...(my math skills are on a par with ODB) Poor Darcy was suffering physically, all right. Remember the line in the first proposal "...a most (slight pause) passionate regard..." Having recently watched P&P2 for about the twentieth time, I usually don't find too much new in it. This last time was different, though. It must be due to the whole Donmar experience, so well reported herein by the Lucky London Ladies in both text and pictures. That was as much of CF being himself as I've ever seen. I always knew he was very different than Darcy (a point he tries to emphasize each time he's interviewed on the subject) but now the difference seems huge. Colin's interpretation of Darc was superb--specifically how the "audience never quite knows what he's thinking" (I believe those are CF's words from the 'Making of P&P'). That aspect seemed to jump out at me this last time. How about the rest of you (particularly those of you who went to London, spoke with him, had his arm around you, etc. etc.)? I remember most of you posting that you watched P&P2 sometime after returning home. Was your reaction similar to mine?

Lidya, I'm sending you the wav. file, hope your e-mail address here in Drool works. (Lidya)But would you accept the second time around? I know I have, so many times...sigh... What do you mean the second time around? The second proposal? Of course I would! :-)

Karen: This one??? Might not be the right one. It is close enough...sigh! I meant the one where he stands right in front of her. Heide: I have a hard time now whenever I read the book to figure out if I'm influenced by AD's POV or if I truly do see all these sexual undercurrents Whenever I read the book I inevitably have P&P2 in my mind. The actors are inextricably linked to the characters. Mr Collins was on on A&E's Poirot the other day, and to me he looked just like MR C without the black coat. Scholars have always called JA "cold", when compared to people like the Brontes, but the fact that she doesn't use sappy words does not mean her characters do feel strongly. Ultimately, any human attraction aims to end in physical contact (the evolutionary urge to reproduce?)and in the n vel, Darcy is bewitched by E, so he obviously fancied her appearance. I suppose reading the book two hundred years later, it is impossible to see it from our own POV, and sex is so prevalent in our times, and so openly discussed, that it is only natural, (sorry for my long-winded paragraph). looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." You are perfectly right, my dear. SBR: I'll indulge in a lovely fanasy where He turns to me for comfort *double sigh* I saw him first! But seriously, do you not think he looks about to weep when he is putting on his gloves as he walks to Rosings? and to think that they cut this part in the original broadcast. Gi: Lidya, I'm sending you the wav. file, hope your e-mail address here in Drool works Thank you, Gi. My e-mail address her probably won't work, so I give it to you. It is Chusmanali@aol.com I have a Pentium II computers, with Windows 98. Will the file work?

(Lidya) I have a Pentium II computer, with Windows 98 We should all be so lucky! (that laptop just hasnt been the same since i dropped it) :( But seriously, do you not think he looks about to weep when he is putting on his gloves as he walks to Rosings? and to think that they cut this part in the original broadcast. I agree, he looks so mournful. And think, if they didnt originally include that for our viewing pleasure, what else ended up on the cutting room floor??? Maybe it's best not to think about it; we'd all end up with a heart condition and be shuffled off to nursing homes at a premature age.

That little bit is on the purchased tapes or from the A&E Classroom broadcast, which didn't have commercials.

I paid over $100 just to get those bits. I consider it money well-spent =) (I know...I know...now you can get it at Costco for next-to-nothing!)

Marcia: I paid over $100 just to get those bits. I consider it money well-spent =) (I know...I know...now you can get it at Costco for next-to-nothing!) Not only did I pay $104 (with tax), but had to wait about two months to get it, because it was out of stock. Probably too many ladies were ordering it at the same time.

(Heide) I confess I never thought of his suffering as being sexual. Thanks for the lightbulb. I suppose his manservant or at least the maids must have been wondering why they were changing the sheets so often. I have seen that episode with the men in my family and they all recognize the symtoms...."He's got it baaaad". Seems to be the popular male remark. They all got it alright....but was that JA? Or Andrew Davies' interpretation of JA.

Probably both, but mostly AD, I think. JA would never have been so uncouth as to burden her incomparable Darcy with uncontrollable animal lusts - at least not to the extent that he would admit it aloud!

Evelyn, I just sent you an e-mail, but it seems my previous one did not reach you, so I will post it here. I have received the JE tapes, and am enjoying them very much. Thank you again for sending them.

(Leanne) googleplex of sex appeal? Sorry, Leanne, we still used slide rules when I was in school ;-) What the H is a googleplex? (Eileen) Poor Darcy was suffering physically, all right. Remember the line in the first proposal "...a most (slight pause) passionate regard..." Ah, and the question tonight is...what word was he going to say before he checked himself and said "passionate"? My vote is he was going to say something more conservative but decided to go for the big guns. (Marcia) I paid over $100 just to get those bits. I consider it money well-spent =) I know...I know...now you can get it at Costco for next -to-nothing!) But consider the months of deprivation waiting for it to go on sale. Definitely "money-well-spent".

(Heide) Sorry, Leanne, we still used slide rules when I was in school ;-) What the H is a googleplex? Sorry! :D A googleplex is ten to the power of ten to the power of ten.

(Leanne) A googleplex is ten to the power of ten to the power of ten. Ah!!! Very appropriate then. Sex appeal to the googleplex. Lizzy won't have a chance.

(Leanne)...a googleplex of sex appeal? (Heide) What the H is a googleplex? (Leanne)...ten to the power of ten to the power of ten. Sorry, Leanne, that is a mere googol (i.e. a one followed by 100 zeroes. Since a million is a one followed by 6 zeroes, you can see that a googol is a very large number.) A googolplex, is a googol raised to the power of ten (i.e., 10 billion times a googol!! One could write it out, but that becomes veryu tiresome. Suffice it to say, Heide, that that's a LOT of sex-appeal!!!

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I am a new Colin and Darcy crazy; the actor and the character are so enthralling that I just had to delurk. Some thoughts on the first proposal... What if Darcy is still debating with himself until he actually blurts out the words. The way he paces around and is breathing heavily indicates an unresolved emotional turmoil IMO. This is 1813, Darcy is a serious and responsible man and it has been drummed into him since infancy that a major DUTY to his family is to marry well. Marrying Lizzie is a serious br ach of his obligations as master of Pemberley. He has two choices here; he can marry Lizzie and injure his sense of self-worth, family duty and social responsilbilty or he can give her up and deny himself personal (emotional and sexual) happiness. So I think, from the way Colin played him, that Darcy is expressing verbally the struggle that is still ongoing rather than making a proposal; he is still not committed to having Lizzie as his wife-- almost seems as if he's tossed a coin in his head and heads s Lizzie. Of course once he's said the words, of course he's hurt and humiliated that she refuses him. Haven't we all had to make decisions for which no option is satisfactory? That's Darcy's situation. IMO, his words are impulsive, not planned, and certainly not intended to wound Lizzie. He should have waited until he was committed to and comfortable with his decision to marry Lizzie... then he could have wooed her properly. Am I way off base here? And thanks for the fun I've had reading the previos p stings.

Lynda, I think you are right on the mark. He could have gone through all of these options and internal conversations prior to their meeting, and still have bungled it by being so 'up-tight' that he was doomed as soon as he opened his mouth. Nerves do that to me, and I can manage to get both feet into my mouth with hardly any effort at all. Getting them out again is another problem entirely, as he discovered. It is lovely to have you Drool and post. Now, pop next door to 113 and claim something Darcy, r of any CF character in any movie, a scene in which you would like to be with him, or in a fan fiction story. We have lists which don't quit! We'll even begin a new one for you if you can think of something we have not, and oh yes, let us know when your Birthday is.

AnneH, the CF fan whose browser is keeping her from posting (I am working on it) told me the following: I spoke to my 96 year old coming up 97 year old Aunt yesterday on the telephone, I mentioned MLSF and how I was looking forward to seeing it, she asked who was in it, I said "Mr. Darcy", "Oh, she sighed, "My favourite actor, if only I could go and see it, unfortunately the nearest cinema is just a few miles too far. I said perhaps it will come on television, "If I last that long," she sighed. Thus I claim my Aunt as his oldest fan!!!!!!!! Anne. I shall run over to 113 and make another list!

Where is your new list, Marcia? Glad for your thoughts, Lynda. I tend to agree with your line of thinking. He has two choices here; he can marry Lizzie and injure his sense of self-worth, family duty and social responsilbilty or he can give her up and deny himself personal (emotional and sexual) happiness. What a delicious thought...he ends up going for personal happiness. A major step in itself. Just running some thoughts here for fun... What if Lizzy had gone to Rosings that day? Would he have seized the moment then? If not there, would he have ever done so? Or did he decide to make his proposal beforehand and rush to Hunsford Parsonage because he knew he'd find her alone? So I think, from the way Colin played him, that Darcy is expressing verbally the struggle that is still ongoing rather than making a proposal; he is still not committed to having Lizzie as his wife-- almost seems as if he's tossed a coin in his head and heads And isn't his inner turmoil so clearly portrayed? Masterful, and even more so when you realize (from the Making of P&P book)that this is one of the first scenes he had to film.

If Lizzie had gone to Rosings instead of pleading a headache, would he still have proposed that day? I have always been of the opinion that her sudden "illness," when heretofore she had been in such high spirits and good health, galvanized him into action. He, for the first time, realized she was not indestructible. It seemed to be a panic move because he could not bear to lose her, even then.

To finish my thought...If she had gone to Rosings, I would think he would not have proposed then. There would have been no urgency to do so.

Good point Marcia. :) Also, does anybody think Col Fitzwilliam may have fessed up to Darcy about his blunder? The Col is a fairly intelligent man, and surely he realized that his comments had caused Lizzie distress.

Marcia: ...If she had gone to Rosings, I would think he would not have proposed then. There would have been no urgency to do so. But wasn't he leaving in two days? I think the fact that he didn't see her that evening made him think of what it would be like to be without her.

(Heide) Or did he decide to make his proposal beforehand and rush to Hunsford Parsonage because he knew he'd find her alone? I think he did just that. He certainly struggled with the decision; having made it, actually going through with it was something else entirely. IMO this is why he stayed so long in Kent and was restless after his arrival at the parsonage. Nervous, striding, sitting, standing, speechless, etc: he knew his opportunity had come...did he have the nerve to go for it? (Lidya) But wasn't he leaving in two days? This point is made more clearly in the book: [L] "'Do you certainly leave Kent on Saturday?' [Col. F] 'Yes - if Darcy does not put it off again.'" This line has led me to believe the above. V. good points all around. It's nice to have discussion here again!

Good points, indeed! I think there would not have been opportunity at Rosings to propose to her, no matter what the urgency, with his nosy Aunt there. He followed her almost continuously on horseback as she took walks - the book makes it quite clear that she found it unnerving to find him at every turn looking as though he would speak but he would turn away each time. I think he had the means and could have arranged the time to propose to her if he was to leave in 2 day's time. A special trip would no have inconvenienced him, perhaps! As for Col Fitz, I do not think he *knew* he made a gaffe! Thus, most likely not recounted the episode to Darcy.

I always wished they had shot some of those *chance encounter* scenes in Rosings Park. They would have been precious. Also wish they had done the post-second proposal scenes, in the drawing room when the coffee is being served, when she teases him about when he fell in love with her. But then again, the series might have been 8 hours long. BWAAAA!! I would have paid extra. :-)

(Karen) But then again, the series might have been 8 hours long. BWAAAA!! I would have paid extra. :-) You and me both! Eight Hours of Darcy! *sigh* ...and maybe AD would have added another wet shirt scene... a post nuptiual wet shirt scene. (be still my heart!)

(EsBee)a post nuptiual wet shirt scene. ...from the collective drooling in the audience and in the living rooms of the world?! But, would that not have cramped your writer's style? Perhaps not! JA could never have dreamed of your carriage ride to London =D (Karen)series might have been 8 hours long. BWAAAA!! I would have paid extra. So would we all...*sob*...

Reading your comments is so much fun. I wonder if JA put as much thought into writing this book as you have in analyzing it. Before I start watching P&P yet again, some comments. I haven't seen anyone mention this, although I'm sure you have, but IMO Darcy sitting upright on the back of that magnificent galloping horse in the opening scene is incredibly erotic. At first, I thought it was a stuntman, but it seems CF is quite a horseman, which makes it even more exciting. And when he leans his head back while writing the letter, and the light picks out his throat, I want to jump in and make it all better. There is nothing sexier than a vulnerable man, especially a powerful one like arcy. Two quibbles with P&P.