Reading your postings is such fun. I wonder if JA put as much thought into writing this novel as you have in analyzing it. Before I start watching P&P yet again, some comments... Haven't seen this in the more recent postings, but I'm sure it's been mentioned. IMO, the sight of Darcy sitting absolutely upright on the back of that magnificent galloping horse in the opening scene is so thrilling, especially since it appears that it is CF and not a stuntman riding. Can DB ride a horse or wot!! Also loved the moment when Darcy throws his head back while writing the letter and the light picks out his throat. I want to jump in and kiss it and make it all better. Two quibbles with the production: 1. NOT NEARLY ENOUGH DARCY 2. Why, oh why, when they cut all of the Darcy/Lizzie scenes after the second proposal, did the Lizzie/ Lady Catherine scene have to go on and on and on. I know this scene was even longer in the book, but when there was a choice to be made, this scene could have been shortened in favour of more L & D. The ending seemed a little anti-climatic and somewhat dissatisfying, but I did LOVE the wedding scene.

Sorry for the double posting. The Internet connection seems to cut out every once in while and I know not why

Oh Lynda, I know! I Know!!! There is a *very* long line waiting to make it all better! His emotions of grief and anguish are the most powerful to me in the entire movie, and I loved him more in that part than any other. Does he not have the most glorious neck?! ...and eyes?! ...and =)) We all felt slighted by the abrupt ending, my other favorite scene where the actuality of Lizzie's love for him sweeps over him...I needed much more time to let it sink in and to enjoy it. The intense way he stares at her upon entering the parlor at Longbourne just before the second proposal is also etched on my retina. Her knees buckled; mine would have had I not been sitting in a puddle on the floor! I think it is a view universally held here that there is never enough Darcy. That is why some of us yearn for him to make another such film. How much could it damage his career? It would keep some of us going for another millenuim ;)

Marcia, maybe we should print out these postings and mail them to DB (well, perhaps not the left/right discussion). If Colin could only know how intensely (and for you ladies, for such a long time) we love him in this role, he might be persuaded to do just one more period romantic role.(He thinks he's to old to do this kind of role; can he be entirely serious?) Pretty please, Colin! We promise to watch all your neurotics and cads, in return.

LOL, Lynda!!! How funny about all of his neurotics and cads. There have been so many of them and so few of the Darcy sort that we are surely not out of line with our *desires" =) We need to have a long talk with that man!!! BTW, Dear, Please email me at marci@aloha.net Thanks!

(Marcia), The intense way he stares at her upon entering the parlor at Longbourne just before the second proposal is also etched on my retina. I love that look too Marcia! We all agree on not getting enough Darcy. And, do not get me started on Colin the horseman. ;-) Why does he hate period drama? Even Jeremy N. has recently stated he would not do more of them. No more Mr. Darcy and no more Mr. Knightly. :-(

Colin on a horse. Now how the heck am I supposed to get ANY work done today, when I'm starting out my morning with THAT visual in my mind? ...*sigh* I shall be distracted (make that -plesantly distracted) the entire day! (Lynda) If Colin could only know how intensely we love him in this role, he might be persuaded to do just one more period romantic role.(He thinks he's to old to do this kind of role; can he be entirely serious?) Pretty please, Colin! We promise to watch all your neurotics and cads, in return. LOL! too funny (and true) Lynda :)

Fine thighs, chocolate intense pools, astride his horse...I am gone for the day into a Darcy Stupor! There is just nothing about this man which is not totally droolable. I also like JN. (I would have been a much better match for him than that silly shallow Emma =P) How sad. The Tenant of Wildfell Hall is now on PBS. Both or either of them would have fit in so very well. There is a reason these stories have lasted for so long. They are good! Cannot say much for what they choose for story lines lat ly! Grumble...grumble!

Marcia, I saw The Tenant of Wildfell Hall on Sunday night- stayed up late watching it. I thought it was quite good. :) ACK! Meeting! gotta run!

(SBR)Eight Hours of Darcy! *sigh* Say that out loud in the same manner as Lydia said "A whole campful of soldiers..."

Eileen, warm me of your humor - I just about choked with laughter at your comment re: 8 hours of Darcy!

(Marcia) Eileen, warm me of your humor - I just about choked with laughter at your comment re: 8 hours of Darcy! ROTFLOL! Me too -scared that poor cat again. ;)

I also like JN. This is not the right place to announce it. (What do you expect - applause???) ;-P

As some of you might have heard, Jeopardy had an Austen-tacious category last week. Ann put this up at her Austen Tea Room board. Check it out. http://www.spring.net/~anneh/jeopardy.htm Harumph!! Why couldn't this have been on February 16. Not fair.

Expecting appalause for my comment on JN? Here? Now?....Not likely. Just a bare admission of guilt. Though I like him, there is no posting on my part on his Drool Board. I am still and always a Darcy Lady. Karen, as I watched that Jeopardy with the JA topic, I thought of you and how you would have run the entire topic with half your brain tied behind your back ;)

New here, My mind is on Tim Cohen's book, "AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea" WOW! You can see proof that Prince Charles IS the anti-Christ at www.prophecyhouse.com

Hey, Seymour! check out the following conferences instead... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/spirit/all/new http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/cultures/all/new http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/books/all/new they may be more to your liking!

Thank you, William. The poor fellow was really lost in here. Don't think he spent much time checking the postings before he did his. Pat on the head with affection for your prompt work.

Prince Charles is the Anti-Christ? LOL! That's gotta be the most off topic this board has ever been! :) Now... back to Darcy Drool. While recently re-watching our beloved P&P2 (for the millionth time), I was reminded of when I first fell in love with Darcy. I hadnt read the book before seeing the movie, and so basically knew nothing of his character and while intrigued by his aloof behavior he really did nothing to endear himself to me, up to and including the first proposal. What melted my heart, and secured it into his keeping for all time, was a portion of the letter he wrote to Lizzy. You can tell a great deal about a man by the way he treats his mother and sisters, and Darcy's gentleness when dealing with Georigana during the whole Wickham fasico, was very revealing. When he pulled Georigana into his arms and pressed a kiss to her head (instead of ranting and raving about what an idiot she had been -like most men would be inclinded to do) I thought; "now this is a man that a woman could trust her heart to." And I've been in love with Darcy ever since. :) Course- by the time he got to the wet shirt scene, and the adorable "and your parents are well?" questions -i was practically foaming at the mouth. ;)

I wonder if Seymour realizes his entertainment value? "and your parents are well?" ...and [pause] all your sisters? *sigh* I had also never read the book (I wonder how I missed it because I've always been a voracious reader) before watching this miniseries (even passed on the first US showing). As I've posted before, I was dozing off and on through episodes 2 and 3. By the time the first proposal came around, I was thinking don't you know she hates you, you fool? That letter brought me around also. But it took me until the *look* (OK, I admit it, I'm slow) to foam at the mouth! ;-)

(Eileen) By the time the first proposal came around, I was thinking "don't you know she hates you, you fool?" LOL! Exactly! I kept thinking shut up, she's not going to say yes! and you're only making it worse by continuing to insult her! By the time I got to *The Look*- I had grabbed a magazine and was fanning my overheated skin! ;)

You are all too funny! I loved your thought about the neurotics and cads, Lynda! ;-) I think I must watch those tapes again...

When he pulled Georigana into his arms and pressed a kiss to her head (instead of ranting and raving about what an idiot she had been -like most men would be inclinded to do) I thought; "now this is a man that a woman could trust her heart to." And I've been in love with Darcy ever since. :) SB, Eileen! It took you that long! Jeez, I was in love watching him watch Lizzy after his bath. Of course, that was actually another 4-letter word beginning with L... I'm sure the love you speak of is the more mature, satisfying and lasting kind. ;-)

Heide, it not for nothing that we call this Drool. How mature is that ;) Besides, it healthy to lust after the one you love. What does maturity have to do with it?? Age does not dim nor change the animal urges =D

I didn't pay too much attention to Darcy until the Netherfield ball, when the heads parted and he turned to look at Lizzie. Loved his smirk when Mr. Collins collided, actually CRASHED, into that poor woman. Was head over heels when he bowed before the dance. What a profile!! And the bow itself was so submissive (nothing more erotic than a powerful man humbled). I was enthralled. And what can I say about the dance that you all haven't said. I have never seen any man so graceful!! (I remember seeing some omments a while back about whether ODB is clumsy - is it possible for a clumsy man to dance so beautifully?) And his hair...everytime he makes a pass in front of the screen, I want to tangle my hands in that hair. Yeesh!! ...I have to stop, right now, or I'll be awake half the night.

I find that the Netherfield Ball is when you are SUPPOSED to notice Darcy in the miniseries. Before he's just a fly on the wall. But you really get to see his emotions. I remember hating, positively HATING Darcy when I first read the book. It took even after Lydia's elopement for me to really say, "wow, what a great guy."

Ok, time to confess; it took me two times watching it before I was struck by Darcy for all time. I fell for the dunk in Pemberley Pond, initially, but I had been leaning in his direction since he met her on the way to visit Jane at Netherfield. I was young enough when I first read the book that I admired Lizzie above all else. When I began to notice the other gender, I immediately reread the book and was hooked on him. He is so dear in the end of the book when he tells her of the turmoil and loving her and not being able to have her. He just melted my heart. It has never solidified since ;)

Lynda, to make those all-night Darcy fests that much more rewarding, go to that scene where he is staring at herfrom the sidelines at the Netherfield Ball. Using the slow-motion and freeze-frame buttons on your VCR remote, go through it frame by frame. It is the most erotic and revealing scene in the entire movie to me. You will like to slo-mo your way through most of his scenes, but that is the most amazing one!

(Heide) It took you that long! They don't call me "a day late and a dollar short" for nothing. What can I say? I don't recall the bath scene having an effect on me during my first viewing and it's one of my favorites (tape must be weak from rewinding). As for the Netherfield ball, I think this is where I began to nod (A&E ran the '97 showing in two 3 hour segments with endless commercials; the first three episodes ran from 9-12mn). I actually thought the fencing scene took place at Rosings until I bought the tapes and set myself st aight! (Lynda) everytime he makes a pass in front of the screen, I want to tangle my hands in that hair *Sigh*

(Heide) It took you that long! Jeez, I was in love watching him watch Lizzy after his bath LOL! I wasnt repulsed or anything- just intrigued. I wasnt sure what was going on in his mind. For all i knew, he was going to ask her to be his mistress rather than his wife. After all, up to that point what did we know about the man, other than A) he was handsome (ok- make that Extremely Handsome) B) he had rather odd friends and annoying relatives (with the exception of Col Fitzwilliam) C) he was a bit of a snob (ie;"I saw no breeding at all") (Lynda) everytime he makes a pass in front of the screen, I want to tangle my hands in that hair (Eileen) *Sigh* Oh Yeah, me too... *double sigh* I still get a tingle everytime I watch it and think 'I'm the keeper of that adorable curl' :) -better make that a *triple sigh*

Lynda: the Netherfield ball, when the heads parted and he turned to look at Lizzie. That is one of my favorite looks! Don't you think he has the most amazing voice? I love it when he says: "I should as soon call her mother a wit." He says it with such disdain, and so matter-of-factly, he melts my heart. I also like the look her gives her when he says "Do you often walk into Meryton?", like he's saying, I will play your game. Eileen: the fencing scene Ahh! I love it!!! His open shirt, his sweaty neck...sigh...and the smile he gives Mr. Baines! He was perfect in every sense.

Hmmmm. Interesting. Looked through an old journal for 1996. Entry for Sun 14 January--"began taping Pride & Prejudice on A&E. Most good, but don't like Darcy...sullen!" Hee hee My! How things can change!!

Lynda, you cannot know how much good you are doing us. It feels so good to bathe in fresh Darcy Drool after worrying about SiL sequels and FP openings (or the possibility of being out of the scheduled theaters area). You are a wonderful addition to our Boards. Now, all of you lurkers out there. Cease and desist and join us. Post something. Surely Darcy is worthy of your efforts!

LOL KarenJ, I did the same thing. Only taked half of it and then taped over it. It cannot have been the right one the firthst time =P

I know, I thought the same thing after the first installment. I remember thinking "does this guy think he's playing Heathcliff?" But he grew onme... I don't think I need to get into that. ;-)

My Firthst thought was "He's no Olivier!" Much later, I ammended that statement to add "thank heaven!"

Thanks for the kind words, Marcia. You are such a close group, I do feel rather awkward posting, but you all have been lovely. (Lidya) Don't you think he has the most amazing voice? Colin does have an amazing voice, along with an amazing everything else. As Sue Birtwistle said, "He's just perfect in every regard". I love his face during the "pride and vanity" debate at Netherfield, especially right before he says, "It might be called resentful". Looks so vulnerable and young. And although he is trying to be so still and self-controlled in this scene, he gives his agitation away with his hands. (Marcia) My Firthst thought was "He's no Olivier!" Much later, I ammended that statement to add "thank heaven!" Amen to that. I tried watching the Olivier P&P after I saw P&P2. Couldn't get through it; the screenplay was awful, Garson seemed old enough to be Lizzie's mother and Olivier was hammy and not at all like Austen's Darcy (Darcy is not supposed to be charming).

(Lynda) I tried watching the Olivier P&P after I saw P&P2. Couldn't get through it; the screenplay was awful... I did as well, thought it was dreadful and only lasted about 30 or 40 mins. why did everyone talk so fast? It was like they were competeing to see who could get off the most lines per minute! :) Love the Sue Birtwistle quote! "He's just perfect in every regard". Yes, isnt he. *sigh* ;)

To be fair, I think we cannot blame all of the bad things in P&P0 on Olivier and the rest. The screen play did not stay true to the story (a benevolent Lady C, and a perky Lady Anne?!), and the directing is what we see as the result. A mincing Darcy and an old Lizzie. Very odd indeed. For some reason, I also got the impression from that version that Mary ended up marrying Mr Collins. Am I forgetting something?

Inasmuch as this topic has been inactive for a while I thought I would post a Big "Hi" from Lizza. She told me on the phone that yesterday she went to Bath and found the city **crawling** with American tourists looking for Mr. Darcy at the new Jane Austen Museum which has just opened there. She thought of us....!!

I'm glad to see some activity here, because I was watching episode V, and I have a question that has bothered me for a while. At the very end, when Lizzy says that she cannot bear to think that Mr. Darcy is out in the world, thinking ill of her, we see his face with an inscrutable expression, and I wonder what it means. Is he thinking ill of her, longing for her or in pain from having to deal with Wickham? I cannot decide!

It is the pain she imagines she has caused him and that she will not see him again even though she is realizing she loves him very much

Do you mean that it is what she imagines he is feeling? I know that "The making of P&P" book says that some of the scenes we see when Lizzy reads the letter are supposed to be her imagination, but until I read that I did not see them in that way.

I agree, Lidya. I think we are supposed to be seeing Darcy's face as he is at that moment, not how Lizzy is imagining him to be looking. Now in my imagination, I think he's managed to keep his mind off losing Lizzy because he's been busy playing the avenging angel, tracking Wickham down and bribing him to marry Lydia. Finally that work is complete and he has to face his loss again. Another take on it could be that now his work with W & L is down, he has another job to do...winning back Lizzy. Either way, I think he's thinking about her. Thanks for reviving the topic again, Evelyn. It's sinful to let it lie moribund. ;-) she went to Bath and found the city **crawling** with American tourists looking for Mr. Darcy Good to know that Mr. Darcy is still alive and well and foremost in the minds of American tourists. Reminds me of Lyme Park when the kindly old gent selling tickets pointed out the entrance to the house as the one before the stairs "that Mr. Darcy came down." Though I don't think it was the fact I'm American that he knew why I was there, more likely just the fact that I'm female.

....we see his face with an inscrutable expression, IMO...I think it's his face as she remembers him from the first proposal. The pain and anguish she caused him is now bothering her conscience.

(Evelyn) IMO...I think it's his face as she remembers him from the first proposal. A good possibility too. See ladies, this topic can never die. I think we should next discuss the expression Darcy's wearing as he gives Lizzy that long look at Longbourn before they all go out walking. We know that wasn't Lizzy's imagination so whatever could he be thinking there? "Hey, baby, you're mine." ;-)

And, did you notice that when he fixed her with that stare, not just my knees buckled, so did Lizzie's. Never saw the man look quite that intense in any other role, but we say that all the time about Darcy looks, mannerisms and other ezquisite details.

(Heide)Re: The final stare:We know that wasn't Lizzy's imagination so whatever could he be thinking there? "Hey,baby, you're mine." ;-) He wished but he wasn't certain, IMO. Lady Catherine's visit to him in London "had the opposite effect...it caused me to hope as I never dared to hope before...."

(Heide) "Hey, baby, you're mine." ;-) Ohh, could he give me one of those looks!! I think he's saying, could it be that you really love me? (Marcia) not just my knees buckled, so did Lizzie's. I love her expressions here, and when he comes to Longbourn for the first time too, so vulnerable and full of feeling. She has a very expressive face. And when Mrs. Bennet mentions Lidya's marriage, the way he rolls his eyes and looks away is priceless! I could go on and on...

The expression on his face in the scene at Netherfield when they are discussing "vanity and pride" is where I really began to take notice of him. Before that I had been watching her because she seemed to me to be the ultimate Lizzie. He sat there with such a quietness about him, you could see that he was getting madder and madder because he knew she was besting him, but he couldn't let the other people in the room know that she could effect him. There was a tightness about the corner of his mouth and his eyes were giving away his feelings. I sat up and said "Whoa, this guy is really some kind of actor, who is he anyway." When he walked back to Rosings and Col F. Says, "Darcy where have you been (or something like that) he looks like he's aged ten years when he answers him. How did he do that?

The whole entire movie is incredible, but I scarsely see anything but him each time I run through it. He is so enchanting and captivating and....on and on...

Lucie: The expression on his face in the scene at Netherfield when they are discussing "vanity and pride" is where I really began to take notice of him This scene is great, but when I fell for him was at Lucas Lodge, when he smiles as he looks at Lizzy and Miss Bingley walks away! When he walked back to Rosings and Col F. Says, "Darcy where have you been (or something like that) he looks like he's aged ten years when he answers him. How did he do that? I love the way he reacts when the voice over of Lizzy's voice comes to the part about not being a gentleman. He really shows that this the part that stings the most, as he tells her when she accepts him. I still cannot believe that he didn't win best actor at the Bafta's and that the series did not win either. Must have been some jelous people there! The book "The making of Emma" had a copy of the script by Andrew Davies, and I wonder why they could not include that in the P&P book. I'm sure it was a wond rful screenplay, though of course they left out some important things, and added too much in some scenes (like Wickham telling Lizzy that if things were different he would have chosen her. I think this would have been improper).

Yes, yes, Darcy's been dormant for far too long ;-) (Heide) "Hey,baby, you're mine." ;-) I think of it more as "it's now or never..." (Lidya) we see his face with an inscrutable expression Interesting discussion about this! I interpret it as being Lizzy's remembrance of his parting look from the doorway of the inn.

Lidya's mention of the Emma screenplay - does anyone know if there was one published for P&P2? I would most assuredly purchase one if such existed!!!

From everything that I've seen, no screenplay was published for the BBC/A&E production. Just the "Making of" book. I know, what a blown opportunity.

(Lidya)...Netherfield when they are discussing "vanity and pride" is where I really began to take notice of him I think that sparring- match is one of the acting high-lights of the film. The dialogue is so difficult...yet they make it sound colloquial.With such subtle facial expressions.He tightens his lips...she rolls her eyes...Wow!you could feel the sexual tension slowly building.

(Heide)From everything that I've seen, no screenplay was published for the BBC/A&E production I have been looking for the address where I can write the author of the P&P book, to see if I can get them to publish something else. Maybe we can persuade them to come out with scenes left in the editing floor. It is surprising that they have not taken advantage of the popularity of the film...they could make a fortune! (Eileen) I interpret it as being Lizzy's remembrance of his parting look from the doorway of the inn. But she remembers his expression at the inn when she is looking in the mirror...I actually do not like what she says to Jane, because by that time she already knew that she loved him, and her words imply doubt.

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(Lidya)..But she remembers his expression at the inn when she is looking in the mirror...I actually do not like what she says to Jane, because by that time she already knew that she loved him, and her words imply doubt. IMO she did not realize she was in love....She had a feeling that she never had before. I think Lizzie, unlike Jane, had never been in love before..

(Evelyn) She had a feeling that she never had before. I think Lizzie, unlike Jane, had never been in love before What I do not like is that this part is not in the book, and in it, Elizabeth realizes she is in love around this time. Right after Mr. Gardiner writes with news of Lidya being found, we have this: "She was humbled, she was grieved; she repented, though she hardly knew of what. She became jealous of his esteem, when she could no longer hope to be benefited by it." By having Lizzy say that she does not know why she is sorry she told Mr. Darcy about Lidya, AD makes it sound as if she cannot suffer for the loss of his love, because she does not know she is in love. This is another thing I wish they had shown, how much she feels his apparent indiference when he comes to Longbourn.

(Lidya) Is he/.../ longing for her or in pain from having to deal with Wickham? I cannot decide! (Marcia) It is the pain she imagines she has caused him... (Heide)...Finally that work is complete and he has to face his loss again./.../, he has another job to do...winning back Lizzy. *****How about "all of the above"??? I suspect he couldn't think ill of her, but the contemplation of having to deal with her family for the rest of his life might help engender such an expression, too!!! :-D ***** (Evelyn) I think we should next discuss the expression Darcy's wearing as he gives Lizzy that long look at Longbourn before they all go out walking. /.../ so whatever could he be thinking there? "Hey, baby, you're mine." ;-) *****The intensity of that expression was, to me a mix of looking for the answer to that most all-important of Questions: "Is there any love for me there?" and the determination that -- if it is at all possible -- If it wasn't there, he was bound and determined to PUT it there!! :-) (By the way, I was always of the opinion that his declaration that he'd never speak of this again if she still said no, was merely a figure of speech meant to allay any fears she might have for being honest with him. I suspect he'd go back on it, if necessary...I think he would NEVER give up the pursuit, especially if the memory of that look she bathed him with at Pemberley was ever remembered!! ;-D)

(Lidya) Is he/.../ longing for her or in pain from having to deal with Wickham? I cannot decide! (Marcia) It is the pain she imagines she has caused him ... (Heide) ...he has to face his loss again. /.../he has another job to do...winning back Lizzy. How about "Al of the Above"?? ;-D (He can't think ill of Lizzy but he can of her family...contemplating that he'd have to deal with them for the rest of his life also might engender such an expression! (Heide)..the expression Darcy's wearing as he gives Lizzy that long look at Longbourn before they all go out walking. We know that wasn't Lizzy's imagination so whatever could he be thinking there? "Hey, baby, you're mine." ;-) I believe that intense look was a mixture of that all-important Question:" Is there any love for me there" combined with the determination that if it isn't there now, he'll PUT it there, come what may!! :-) (By the way, I was always of the opinion that his promise to Lizzie of never speaking of it again if she still didn't want him, was merely a figure of speech meant to allay any fears she might have of speaking honestly. I fully believe he would go back on it, if necessary...he'd NEVER stop the pursui ...especially when he remembered that look she bathed him with at Pemberley...!!! ;-D)

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(KJArt) I think he would NEVER give up the pursuit, I don't know...when I remember that he would really not have considered speaking again if she had not come to Pemberley, I wonder if they had met again at all. He would not have come to Netherfield again, I think. Even the last sentence in the book says that they were grateful to the Gardiners who had been the means of uniting them by bringing her into Derbyshire...I shudder to think of how differently Jane Austen could have ended the book. I am grateful she disliked drama and unhappy endings.

(Lidya) But she remembers his expression at the inn when she is looking in the mirror... Isn't he talking when Lizzy imagines him in the mirror? Oh, well, I suppose I'll just have to watch it again! Regardless, to answer your original question, I think the image exists in Lizzy's imagination. (Lidya)...writes with news of Lidya being found...sorry she told Mr. Darcy about Lidya Freudian slip, Lidya? Or is it Lydia? heehee :-P By having Lizzy say that she does not know why she is sorry she told Mr. Darcy about Lidya, AD makes it sound as if she cannot suffer for the loss of his love, because she does not know she is in love. Above all, she wants to keep her feelings to herself. In both the book and the series, Lizzy doesn't tell Jane, her most beloved sister and confidant, that she's changed her mind about Darcy. It all goes to building suspense as to whether or not these two lovebirds will get together in the end.

Eileen: Freudian slip, Lidya? Or is it Lydia? heehee :-P Too funny! I did not even notice! anyway, I have an article that says that the name Lydia was popularized by Lydia Languish in Sheridan's play The Rivals. Mine is Lidya, but even though the character is not one I wish to emulate, I'm glad my name appears in JA's writing.

Someone...was it Lydia or Lynda??..wanted to write to BBC and request they publish the P&P Screenplay. Here's an address that they gave me for such requests: (Artist's Name & program)...Andrew Davies, P&P BBC Information BBC Television Centre London W12 7RJ United Kingdom

We're not the only ones Droolin' after Mr. Darcy!!! This was posted on Virtual Views.... Re: BEDROOMS & HALLWAYS "It's a small budget UK film (comedy) about a couple of gay guys living in London trying to sort their lives out. One of them goes to a Mens Group (hysterical!) led by Simon Callow (aka Mr Beebe from ARWAV), and falls in love with one of the (straight) participants....it's very complicated, but very funny (though people's sexual orientations are somewhat flexible, and you may find this hard to deal with) The JA connections are several: Jennifer Ehle has a fairly major role in the movie, as does Harriet Walters (think nose-pulling and S&S). But the funniest connection is that the lead character is recommended P&P as bedtime reading to take his mind off sex... and off course it has exactly the opposite effect, with the object of his desire turning up in his dream as.....Mr Darcy. ;-)

Wonder who personifies his Mr. Darcy. Funny, Evelyn. We were talking about Darcy gazes and the meaning behind them. Excuse me, our interpretation of the meaning behind them. ;-) One of my favorites is the scene when he returns to Longbourn with Bingley (He's here! He has come at last!) Darcy walks in, stands silently while the niceties are exchanged and we see his eyes slide over to Lizzie for just a moment. She is looking sideways at him too. He quickly looks away. We know he says he's there for Bingley's sake to check out Jane and see if she is indeed in love with B. But we know better. He tries not to look at Lizzie but can't help himself. He looks away quickly because he sees she caught him in the act. His second sideways glance in that scene is a bit later. But to me, it looks like he's looking at Jane though Lizzie is desperately trying to catch his eye.

(Karen)I fully believe he would go back on [his promise to never speak of it], if necessary...he'd NEVER stop the pursuit...especially when he remembered that look she bathed him with at Pemberley...!!! ;-D) (Lidya)...he would really not have considered speaking again if she had not come to Pemberley, I wonder if they had met again at all. He would not have come to Netherfield again, I think. Perhaps we've got our statements mixed up. I was referring to the final proposal when he said, "*My* affections and wishes are unchanged; but one word from you will silence me on this subject forever" It is this promise I think he would go back on if she hadn't accepted him then and there. You seem to be speaking of his feelings BEFORE he met her again at Pemberly, but when he had said the above, a lot of things had changed: a) He has encountered her in Derbyshire and impressed her with his *improved* manners. b) He has introduced her to his sister, and they like each other very much c) He has cleared up the Lydia mess, which would have been a barrier to any further dealings with her if left as it had been. d) He has heard a long harangue from dear Aunt Catherine, complaining that she has to gall to refuse to promise not to get engaged to him, and, e) Bingley's marriage is forthcoming. That single event alone must bring them back together, and chances are good that they would encounter each other often via the Bingley-connection. That is why I say that even if she had demured at that time or expressed reluctance, they were on much better footing than before, and he'd be a fool not to persist...he's no dummy...he can read the signs! ;-D

(Heide) One of my favorites is the scene when he returns to Longbourn with Bingley (He's here! He has come at last!) Good one! When Kitty announces Bingley's arrival and adds "who's that with him? It's that tall, proud man...' [or something like that] I recall saying "yesss!" to myself during my first viewing (I had never read the book). By this point I was dying for these two to get together. The glances are a riot (esp. when Mrs. B pipes up about Lydia's wedding announcement and Darcy rolls his eyes). Another telling moment is when Lizzy's voice cracks as she asks Bingley how long he plans to stay in the neighbor ood. Yes, KJ, you and Lidya are addressing two different matters. The question of what would have happened if Lizzy had never gone to Derbyshire is a good one. Their meeting at Pemberley forms the basis for the remainder of the story. (KJ)That is why I say that even if she had demured at that time or expressed reluctance, they were on much better footing than before, and he'd be a fool not to persist...he's no dummy...he can read the signs! ;-D To me, he was being like a good trial lawyer--never ask a question to which you don't already know the answer. He had to know her feelings had changed. I think he was being polite in adding that last bit. I do agree with you in that if she had been reluctant or unready, he wouldn't back off.

(Evelyn) Re: BEDROOMS & HALLWAYS ... and off course it has exactly the opposite effect, with the object of his desire turning up in his dream as.....Mr Darcy. ;-) (Heide) Wonder who personifies his Mr. Darcy. Funny, Evelyn. Funny? What do you mean, funny? I say, LOLing funny! :-)I must see this film!

(Evelyn) Someone...was it Lydia or Lynda??..wanted to write to BBC Lidya was the one...thank you for the address Evelyn. (KJArt) I was referring to the final proposal whe he says "one word from you will silence me on this subject forever". You seem to be speaking of his feelings BEFORE he met her again at Pemberly. Well, I knew I had managed to jumble my message and not express myself clearly, but I pressed the submit button too quickly. I did understand that you were speaking of what he would do after the second proposal, but what I meant to say was that considering that he would not have spoken again if he had not met her at Pemberley, I doubt he would have pursued her if she had refused him a second time. It seems to me that it was unusual for a man to propose a second time, let alone a third, and I think it was matter of honor to either accept or refuse a man. Jane Austen herself backed out of an engagement, and she was staying in the man's home at the time, but left immediately and under great distress. Also Capt. Wentworth from Persuasion, when he meets Anne Elliot again after their break-up, hardly speaks to her. From all that Darcy says to Elizabeth after they become engaged, I think that if Lady Catherine had not given him (unintentionally, of course) the hope of being accepted, he would not have spoken th n. He said to her that he wanted to judge if he could ever make her love him, so I do think he would have courted her, but I don't think he would have asked her had he not thought she would accept him. they were on much better footing than before, and he'd be a fool not to persist...he's no dummy...he can read the signs! I think that because he can read the signs, he asked her again, and, having read all these signs, it would be totally contradictory if Elizabeth had refused him. (Heide) We know he says he's there for Bingley's sake to check out Jane and see if she is indeed in love with B. I've always wondered why he could not trust Elizabeth's word on this. Does he not think that she would know her sister better than he could? He says to her that he became convinced of Jane's affection for Bingley, and when Elizabeth asks him whether it was from his own observations or her words to him, he says that it was from what he had seen. Maybe it is the effect of 200 years past that makes uncomfortable with this, but I think he should have considered Lizzy's opinion on this matter, and not needed h s own judgement to validate it.

I am always confused by his "aloofness" to Lizzie when he returns to Longbourne with Bingley.(Hey, I'm not trashing those smoldering looks!) I love the vulnerability on Lizzie's face; she seems so hopeful...her voice qivering .It's contradictory to his tender behavior at Lambton and the beguiling smile she gives him at Pemberley.Why come back and act as if he just came from Rosings? ..... (Lidya)I think that if Lady Catherine had not given him (unintentionally, of course) the hope of being accepted, he would not have spoken then Has he forgotten the tender moments they shared at Derbyshire? Or is he contemplating the 2nd proposal and afraid of rejection again. He can't be that thick.

(Evelyn) I am always confused by his "aloofness" to Lizzie when he returns to Longbourne with Bingley. And this is where one of my favorite lines from the book comes in. I fear I shall make a hash of it but after their engagement Lizzy asks Darcy why he barely spoke to her when he returned to Longbourn with Bingley. He says, "A man who had felt less might have (spoken more)." Even with all the signs, he was tentative and possibly afraid of making an ass of himself by presuming too much.

IHeide) Even with all the signs, he was tentative and possibly afraid of making an ass of himself by presuming too much. Oh yes, indubitably torn...nothing blatant was being shown by either of them for fear that they were misinterpreting the signs. But Darcy kind of gets them both off the hook when he finally broaches the subject: You'll notice that he doesn't *actually* ask her to marry him a second time -- just asks about her feelings...it's Lizzy's reply (in the book, not specified) that makes him sure of what she really wants...thus his relieved and pleased reaction.

K J, I think you got it right. He did ask about her feelings. The first time it had not ocurred to him that she might say no, so he must be afraid that he was wrong again this time.

"Elizabeth feeling all the more than common awkwardness and anxiety of his situation, now forced herself to speak; and immediately, though not very fluently, gave him to understand, that her sentiments had undergone so material a change, since the period to which he alluded, as to make her receive with gratitude and pleasure, his present assurances." That seems specified enough. :-)

Arami, there is such a thing as misunderstanding, or shall we say, information lost in the communication process? :-)

? I trust old Jane's instinct. I'm sure there was no misunderstanding. Unless I lost some information in the process, that is :-)

*sigh*... I could not contain myself and had to post this picture...

oops...how did that happen? sorry, Mr. Darcy.

My apologies. Has anyone noticed how he lowers his eyes to her bosom in this scene? I nearly fainted... I guess it is obvious that Darcy is my favorite CF role. I despair of seeing MLSF for several months, so despite the good amount of drooling to be had in that movie, from what I've heard, I will reserve my judgement on that score.

Thanks a lot Lidya, that pic made my day!

...and was immediately set up as my wallpaper!:-)

Thanks Lydya. I also saved it for low moments.

Yum, yum! Thanks, Lidya.

Achingly beautiful. Thanks also, Lidya. Yes, that scene is not complete for me until he lowers his eyes for just a fraction of a second. Couldn't help himself, could he? Heck, they're practically presented to him on a silver platter and he's been such a gentleman.

(Heide) Heck, they're practically presented to him on a silver platter and he's been such a gentleman. I wonder sometimes how they could all keep a straight face! Emma Thompson said that all the crew members in S&S were always ogling her because she was so exposed. She has nothing compared to our Lizzy, of course. Colin must have had a handful while he dated JE...and so did she (uhmmm in the Lydia & Kitty style)!

(Lidya)Colin must have had a handful while he dated JE... LoL, Dear! You had to say it like that? His hands must have runneth over from the comparative size of things...and we all know that size matters...

Make that two handfuls, my dear!

This is at Heide's request....From Meluchie's website; Courtesy of Lyda....who practiced with me on #61. THE MOST BEAUTIFUL NEWLYWEDS EVER

*sigh*

Eureka!!!I DID IT!! ***** Don't you love the way they have their eyes closed.Where did I read that it took 30 takes (what a bummer!!). Apparently, the carriage , the horses, the driver and the newlyweds all had to be in sync. **sigh** ****** Hey gang...this pic is my desktop wallpaper....you'd be surprised what a buzz it gives you every time you log on :-))

Evelyn, you have made my morning! :) Thank you for that lovely, lovely pic!

Lovely photo and I'm glad you posted it. But what about that one of them walking toward the carriage? You know, where he's not wearing his hat. I LOVE that photo! C'mon, Eveln, how about a bit more practice? Not that you need it.

Oh Evelyn...this picture sends shivers all over me! I love the way they look at each other just before they decide to go for it...*sigh*... (Heide)But what about that one of them walking toward the carriage? And what about the one in which she is touching his tigh??? I just love that little possessive touch (Hands off, droolers!)...and here it is...(I hope)

( Lidya)And what about the one in which she is touching his thigh??? I just love that little possessive touch Yeah. I love that one too. However,in the film the carriage was giving a jerk and she braced herself by touching his thigh....but I like to think it was a figure of endearment...and at that point in their real lives it probably was. *Sigh*

(Heide) But what about that one of them walking toward the carriage? You know, where he's not wearing his hat. I LOVE that photo Here it is...comin' up( I hope )