Gi and Jana, you're very brave. But now that you mention it, the grin was a bit shocking the very first time. Certainly has grown on me. Wow! The list goes on and on. I'm copying them all, including the "Worst" and "Most Erotic" if anyone wants to continue. For me the worst was at the Inn in Lambton when Lizzy is telling Darcy the news. He gives a little shudder when she says about Wickham, "You know him too well to doubt the rest." I always avert my eyes when he gives that shudder - it seems out of character to me.

Au contraire - the gooey look at the piano, little shudders, the way he reaches out to touch her hand at the inn, all this is glimpses of the real man under the mask he consciously wears in public... the final toothy grin is the surprising moment when that mask finally slips quite openly. Not permanently and for ever, mind you, but just a longer moment of personal relief and happiness.

Well, It should really be "all these are glimpses..." :-)

the gooey look at the piano, You call it gooey, I call it yummy.

Jana and Heide, thanks for your support... I was getting all bruised <-( And KJ, I really meant the first ball at Meryton, when he comes in as an invited guest, doesn't know anybody in the room yet looks at them so disdainfully. That is when he refuses to dance with Lizzy. I really was disgusted by him then, and it took me a while to forgive and change my feelings for him.

As I hadn't yet read the book when I saw him in the first Meryton scene, I was convinced he was bad news and some sort of a dark anti-hero. I expected him to introduce a tragic twist of sorts. And then the black veil gradually lifted... and suddenly I understood... and then I felt elated and happy and completely overwhelmed - just like Lizzy... You call it gooey, I call it yummy. I call it both. It makes me smile back - and fall in love again.

(Susan Johnson) If you�re not already swooning, you obviously missed Colin Firth�s sodden Mr Darcy climbing out of the pond I realize now that I must have missed something. Imagine, I�m swooning although I�ve never seen him climb out of the pond!!.......But does he really CLIMB OUT of it in some of the P&P versions? In the two-pack I managed to buy from Video Plus Direct in 1996 he just jumps into the pond and swims underwater, and next he walks toward Pemberley.

Same here, Elena. Our six-tape version only shows those scenes. He does rise up out of the bath...but alas and alack, some other bozo (oops, I mean his valet) is standing in the way with a robe. ;-D

Susan was taking artistic license, I'm sure. Unless she's psychotic and is confusing wishful thinking and reality! (Karen) some other bozo (oops, I mean his valet) is standing in the way with a robe. ;-D Tee hee! Pity...some things had to be left to our ferTILE imaginations.

Actually this is not the first time that I read about Colin emerging from the pond with water dripping, or climbing out of it like S. Johnson put it. It�s a bit strange to talk about a scene which doesn�t exist, isn�t it! I suppose these people haven�t actually seen P&P at all.

Ya know...I must be one of the few for whom the wet shirt did nothing. It made no significant impression insofar as 'getting me going' when I first saw P&P2 and the countless times I've watched since reading about the all the fuss over it. But give me the Pemberley piano scene and the *look* and I'm reduced to mush every time.

Lol Eileen, the wet shirt really is not the hottest thing in P&P for me either. Who says it is?!?! What�s so sexy about it anyway, compared to *some* other scenes. I have a theory that the whole wet shirt mythology was made up by the press, namely by the male writers. They possibly just couldn�t see what was it in Darcy that made women so wild and the only explanation seemed to be the wet shirt!

I think the "Wet Shirt" wave was started from that famous Bridge Jones' interview. Did she keep mentioning it and annoyed ODB?

I have to agree. The wet shirt was no big deal. Now if he had NO shirt on walking the grounds of Pemberley, well, that would be another story. (You know how men enjoy a wet t-shirt contest.)

(Karen) You know how men enjoy a wet t-shirt contest. That�s exactly what I mean (but I wasn�t quite sure if things like that happen outside Finland. I see that�s universal entertainment!). And poor guys imagine that women must be just as crazy about a person in wet clothing as they are :-)

(Elena) but I wasn�t quite sure if things like that happen outside Finland. I see that�s universal entertainment!. Men have not evolved beyond that level of entertainment worldwide. And poor guys imagine that women must be just as crazy about a person in wet clothing as they are :-) hee hee (Xian) I think the "Wet Shirt" wave was started from that famous Bridge Jones' interview. Did she keep mentioning it and annoyed ODB? Oh no, it's the other way around. Helen Fielding used it because it was already such a big thing in the UK. I believe one of the *wet shirts* was auctioned off for charity.

Well, I sincerely wish that Colin doesn�t think like men in general in this case!!! =That women liked him as Darcy mainly because of the wet shirt!

In Portugal condoms are also called shirts, and so are they in Brazil:-)

(Elena) Well, I sincerely wish that Colin doesn�t think like men in general in this case!!! =That women liked him as Darcy mainly because of the wet shirt! Colin did talk about it on the third week's TV Guide in UK. This is what he said: "I wore football shorts in Fever Pitch and a codpiece in Shakespeare in Love, but all everyone remembers is a white linen shirt!".

but all everyone remembers is a white linen shirt!". Hey, was that Darcy's, Valmount's or the Advocate's? Gi, thanks for sharing that wet tid-bit. ;-)

(Eileen) Ya know...I must be one of the few for whom the wet shirt did nothing. I didn't particularly notice it (or the tight breeches) until I went on-line and read all of the media comments. What impressed me the most was Darcy's expressions of misery before the dive and embarrassment upon meeting Lizzy afterwards and the wrenching vulnerability with which CF so quietly yet powerfully invested the character in that scene.

(Lynda)....embarrassment upon meeting Lizzy afterwards and the wrenching vulnerability with which CF so quietly yet powerfully invested the character in that scene. I'm going to give Lizzy a little credit on that scene...because I think they both had to play it in sync for the scene to turn out so well. Let's face it...it wasn't a monologue:-)

The wet shirt has become so symbolic of his sex appeal now. It's a universal point of reference for all his fans, isn't it? Don't we all pick out the wet shirt scenes now? Even in Three Days of Rain. So maybe we were led by the nose by the media's fascination with it but I kind of like it. Better than a bare chest and rippling muscles.

(Elena) Actually this is not the first time that I read about Colin emerging from the pond with water dripping, or climbing out of it like S. Johnson put it. It�s a bit strange to talk about a scene which doesn�t exist, isn�t it! I suppose these people haven�t actually seen P&P at all. Oh, I daresay they did. It just illustrates beautifully the point I made awhile back at 660,to wit: (KJ) Often we will "remember" a detail in a particular movie which was not there at all, but which we *wanted* to be there. :-D And considering the repercussions of this particular but seemingly universal invention, Karen's remark was so apt: (Karen) And these are not *small* details, are they? ;-D Yes, and also, it seems, long-lasting! ;-D

(Eileen) Ya know...I must be one of the few for whom the wet shirt did nothing. / ... / But give me the Pemberley piano scene and the *look* and I'm reduced to mush every time. I'm 100% with you on this one, Eileen!! I think the exaggerated effect of the wet shirt was because it represented a rare "unbuttoned" moment in an otherwise tightly controlled and "buttoned-up" culture ... it was not only a revelation, but a relief! :-) I remember showing a set of stills taken from the tape to a girlfriend of mine. It represented only a small portion of that movie right around the end of episode 3 and the beginning of 4. I watched her go through them with a quizzical expression on her face which expressed louder than words the opinion:'I just don't get what you see in this bloke!' ... until she came to a shot of The Look. All was revealed! The response: "oh, yeh!" (hee hee) She saw the light. But not in the wet shirt!!

(KJ)a rare "unbuttoned" moment Quite right m�dear! That is what makes the scene important, not the wetness exactly. Darcy is vulnerable and human all of a sudden, we see his bare skin and can imagine what it feels like to walk in a wet shirt in a summer breeze. He looks like any fresh, young and lovable man with damp hair and not like the proud, disagreeable man with ten thousand a year. To come to think of it, every time I see this part of the film I can almost sense the smell of the grass, the horse, leather etc.! Proves something about the sensual effect of the scene.

(Elena) And poor guys imagine that women must be just as crazy about a person in wet clothing as they are :-) Sad, but true! Well said. "I wore football shorts in Fever Pitch and a codpiece in Shakespeare in Love, but all everyone remembers is a white linen shirt!". I remember this quote, Xian. The press' persistent recollection of Darcy at the expense of all his other work must bug the cr*p out of ODB. Which is why I think he won't do Mark Darcy. Oops, wouldn't do to bring that up on this topic. (KJArt) the exaggerated effect of the wet shirt was because it represented a rare "unbuttoned" moment in an otherwise tightly controlled and "buttoned-up" culture Good insight. (KJArt)I remember showing a set of stills taken from the tape to a girlfriend of mine That's pretty much how it went with me, although I wasn't watching Darcy in particular (the first time I saw P&P2, that is). I was totally absorbed by the story until the *look*. After that, it was Colin first, story second. *Sigh* Life hasn't been the same since! (Elena)To come to think of it, every time I see this part of the film I can almost sense the smell of the grass, the horse, leather etc.! Ahh, yes. I'm gonna have to watch this again (right after I see Another Country, freshly taped this morning).

My favourite shirt scene is not the wet one, but the letter-writing after the first proposal. Does he look gorgeous when he lays back and exposes that neck any vampire would die for! ;-)

(Gi) exposes that neck any vampire would die for! ;-) LOL! Oh yes, yes, YES!! There�s absolutely enough vampire in me to appreciate that sight, I assure you. Actually this is among the top five Darcy moments...

Elena, Can you tell me what are the top five Darcy moments? Where have they been voted ?

Hey Karen, I finally got in and thanks for your support.

(Xian) Can you tell me what are the top five Darcy moments Xian, you tell me! I believe the voting is still going on, forever I guess!! Actually, I�m talking about the recent discussion here, starting from Heide�s response nro 670, or earlier.....I still haven�t been able to decide what�s my number One.

....I believe the voting is still going on, forever I guess!! We never came to any conclusion....(this is a difficult crowd to get any consensus:-) Xian & Nancy Pl.why don't you give us your favorite Darcy scenes. Mine were.... 1. "On foot?" 2. When he takes her hand at the Netherfield Ball 3. When he helps her into the carriage at Pemberley 4. Everybody's favorite....watching Lizzy play the pianoforte at Pemberley 5. Taking her hand at the Lamton Inn But running close is the billiard scene....erotic, wow! Ok...what are yours?

(KJ) Often we will "remember" a detail in a particular movie which was not there at all, but which we *wanted* to be there. :-D It is actually a measure of the film's success when it manages to make the audience "see" what is only hinted upon. the exaggerated effect of the wet shirt was because it represented a rare "unbuttoned" moment in an otherwise tightly controlled and "buttoned-up" culture Well put. The scene was in fact a somewhat bold metaphor aiming at the above described effect (and achieving it quite memorably, as it appears) and only works when viewed exclusively from the modern perspective. It doesn't work in the same way - or even at all - when one realizes that historically and factually it would have been highly improbable. The knowledge of that changes the effect for me and makes me totally immune to the dangling wet shirttail factor: instad of drooling, I feel uncomfortable like Darcy and embarrassed like Lizzy :-)

I mean "instead", of course. Hey, is Nancy another newbie here? welcome, sister-in-drool, welcome in Drool, sister. ;-)

Arami, don't you have a present for your Mr. Darcy today?

Yes, Nancy is a newbie. She jumped into Drool to wish Colin a happy B-day and we've been welcoming her there.

(Eileen) Which is why I think he won't do Mark Darcy. Perhaps not, sigh. However, CF was quoted in January in The Mail on Sunday as saying "I'm quite happy for it (Mr. Darcy) to follow me around a bit." and the blurb in the August issue of People has him saying " At any point in an actor's life , to have made a genuine impact is something to be cherished." Perhaps he's softened his attitude towards our beloved Mr. Darcy. MD doesn't have to be played like FD (though he must be kept out of a wet, white shirt).

He was quoted as saying in Parade Mag (July): "it's boring to play the same kind of role again and again". The way BJD was written, it *is* the same role. However, they've had enough time to conceive a whole new concept and story by now. The finished product may not resemble anything we have in mind (that's it! Everyone knows horror is hot right now! Bridget will be an ancient witch and Mark will be the documentary film student investigating her death. Or Bridget will have an uncanny ability to see dea people, and Mark will be her psychologist. Yeah--that's the ticket!) ;-P The People quote is also a re-tread. But who knows? If they ever get around to announcing the cast, our endless speculation will be put to rest. Amen!

Bridget will be an ancient witch and Mark will be the documentary film student investigating her death. Or Bridget will have an uncanny ability to see dead people, and Mark will be her psychologist. Yeah--that's the ticket!) ;-P Hon, you gotta go to Hollywood. You've missed your calling!! ROTFLMAO

(Eileen) Or Bridget will have an uncanny ability to see dead people LOL! As long as MD isn't one of the corpses. I have had quite enough of CF in that role. I must read BJD again, because I never got the impression that MD was as repressed and (outwardly) arrogant and snobbish as FD initially appeared, or as tortured, either.

(MD)Arami, don't you have a present for your Mr. Darcy today? What could I give him that he hasn't been offered already? :-)

Xian, and others, by all means add your favorite Darcy moments. I'll list below those already offered in order of appearance in the video. I'll start with what's on Tape 1 (of the 3-tape set) which ends with after the ball with Lizzy's refusal of Mr. Collins' marriage proposal. 1) Racing with Bingley on horseback 2) His eyes following her as she walks under his nose after the rejection at the Meryton Ball. 3) "I should as soon call her mother a wit." 4) "Every savage can dance." 5) The look he gives her after complimenting her "fine eyes" 6) When they meet "On foot?" at Netherfield 7) The look on his face as he slams the billard ball into the pocket after she leaves the doorway. 8) In the bath. 9) Gazing at Lizzy playing after the tub scene 10)His long, analytical stare when she disagrees with him about "accomplished" women. 11)The "Pride" debate at Netherfield. 12)Gazing out the window when Lizzy leaves Netherfield. "Quite the contrary, I assure you." 13)When he sees Wickham the first time at Meryton, and sits back on his horse and rides stiffly away. 14)Darcy turning to look at Lizzy when the heads part at the ball. 15)Darcy waiting to dance with Lizzy at Netherfield and then his bow. 16)When they first touch hands at the Ball (for the dance) 17)When he stands up to walk away from Mr. Collins at the ball, who ends up staring at his chest.

(Lynda)CF was quoted in January in The Mail on Sunday as saying "I'm quite happy for it (Mr. Darcy) to follow me around a bit." And I�m quite happy that he said that (I didn�t know he did, thanks for telling us Lynda). I�ve always been pretty annoyed by the fact that he doesn�t seem to be happy and proud of the role that made him a national institution (according to Channel Four)!! And where would he be now without Darcy?

(Lynda) I must read BJD again, because I never got the impression that MD was as repressed and (outwardly) arrogant and snobbish as FD initially appeared, or as tortured, either. And FD didn't wear bumblebee socks and hideous diamond-patterned sweaters, but we won't split hairs, will we? Tee hee!

Evelyn, my favorite Darcy scene is the look on his face after he was rejected from his first proposal. He kills me everytime with that look, that look of utter disappointment!!!!! My second favorite is the look on his face when Lizzy tells him at the end of the sixth tape "that her feelings are quite the opposite". Hi Arami, yes I am new and I love it very much indeed.

(Nancy)...my favorite Darcy scene is the look on his face after he was rejected from his first proposal...... that look of utter disappointment!!!!! My second favorite is the look on his face when Lizzy tells him at the end of the sixth tape "that her feelings are quite the opposite". I think you're the first one who has named those scenes as her Darcy favorites...am I right??? The second one has been discussed a lot...some people find it obscure. See, that's what I like about newbies, they bring us a new perspective on scenes.

I�ve always been pretty annoyed by the fact that he doesn�t seem to be happy and proud of the role that made him a national institution (according to Channel Four)!! And where would he be now without Darcy? I think Colin may have been worried at first incase he became typecast. In the UK, paradoxically, success can sometimes badly misfire, because the viewing public are unwilling to accept the actor in any different role. I remember CF commented that he was very worried after playing Darcy because, for the first time in his career, offers of work actually dried up!! And there was a review of Nostromo in the Daily Telegraph (female reviewer (and Italian!))in which the usually sensible reviewer wrote that wh n she saw him in a beard she could have wept (she complained she couldn't see his mouth!). So I'm afraid that over here "heart-throb" actors really aren't taken very seriously (handsome actors can't act, you see!) I'm sure that CF wouldn't relish the hunk label...it can seriously damage your career!!

Bethan, thanks for the inspiration! Top 10 Reasons Why CF is such a Hunk. 10) I lost track of all his Internet sites. 9) We spend quite a bit of time fussing over him. 8) We spend quite a bit of time drooling over him. 7) Who else looks so good in Arsenal boxers? 6) Dear Husbands everywhere are ready to challenge him to a duel. mine is 5) Makes us go out and watch his other films, many times over. 4) Makes women fly to London to see him in a play, repeatedly! 3) He smiles too much. ;-) 2) He sings, he dances, he plays guitar... 1) He is a man without fault!

(Bethan)So I'm afraid that over here "heart-throb" actors really aren't taken very seriously (handsome actors can't act, you see!) So, how come the Britsh public goes crazy over US "heart-throbs" when most of them can't act?Brad Pitts, Tom Cruise,Richard Gere, Kevin Costner...those guys make the "Favorite Actors List" in UK Empire Magazine consistently. Burns me up...Grrrrrr.

( (Bethan)...when she saw him in a beard she could have wept (she complained she couldn't see his mouth!). And I thought DB's Charles Gould was so handsome. I can't say I liked Wessex's mustache, though - that really did obscure Colin's lovely, expressive mouth. I'm sure Flashy's facial hair will be quite flattering, as he is a world-class ladies' man. BTW, that quote was taken from Lisbeth's site, Elena, in the quotes and comments section. Another favourite Darcy look... When Darcy is at the bottom of the stairs at Rosings after Lizzie's rejection, right after her voiceover ends. He looks sooo hurt.

handsome actors can't act Or rather "handsome actors don't have to act" - i.e. they don't need good scripts: their presence alone guarantees success. Colin's struggle is against becoming a piece of Hollywood furniture. Or wallpaper.

Evelyn... re:the appeal of Kevin Costner....BLECHHH!!!! I did like him as an actor in "Bull Durham", BEFORE he (in HIS opinion), became GODS GIFT to all womankind...You could not PAY ME to see him in a film now....He has the acting ability of a potato chip, one layer only!!! (IMO). It is sooooo pathetic that after the films "Waterworld" and "Postman", he still can get the studios to cough up the big bucks....It becomes all about "Hollywoo Glitz", not true ability, as in the case of Colin....well, continue to seee a film like "MLSF" (5 times!!), or anything with Colin, vs. the "Hollywood Hunks" like Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, etc. Well, I'll be "mature" and patiently wait for the REST of the world (other than the intelligent ladies here on Drool), for film goers to realize Colin's ability and give him an Academy Award for.....anything!!! Isn't it frustrating to have such "sophisticated" tastes in our favorite actor??!!!! The rest of the world needs to catch up!!! (stepping off my soapbox, now....thanks for listening!!!) such as

I would like Mel Gibson cast in something different from Lethal Weapons...Man without a Face was quite good, at least I thought so when I saw it years ago.

Moon, LOL! Very funny of your Top 10 Reasons Why CF is such a Hunk. I especially like the number one which is the only reason for the rest, don't you think? Another favourite Darcy look: when he walked into the sitting room in Longbourn before the second proposal, he looked into Elizabeth's eye, his eyes were so dark, deep and very intense. It was like he wanted to see her very soul. It always makes me weak every time I focused on that pair of extreme fine eyes!!!

3) He smiles too much. ;-) 2) He sings, he dances, he plays guitar... 1) He is a man without fault! LOL Moon!! This is too funny...and too true for contradiction! Number 2 sounds very much like the description of an accomplished gentleman, don't you think? You have made my day with this!

(Xian), Another favourite Darcy look: when he walked into the sitting room in Longbourn before the second proposal, he looked into Elizabeth's eye, his eyes were so dark, deep and very intense. It was like he wanted to see her very soul. It always makes me weak every time I focused on that pair of extreme fine eyes!!! After many viewings, I have to agree, this is my #1 Darcy look, it takes my breath away! #2 is the smile at Pemberley while E plays the pianoforte. Xian and Lidya, glad you enjoyed the Top 10! We always have fun doing them. :-)

(Moon) We always have fun doing them. :-) Don't be so modest, dear. Moon is very good at these. She should be writing for Letterman. :-o

(Xian)... he looked into Elizabeth's eye, his eyes were so dark, deep and very intense. It was like he wanted to see her very soul Yeah...but it wasn't her soul he wanted:-D

Thanks Moon for the Top Ten list -it was brillant! :) All my favorite Darcy moments have been mentioned i think (The Look, the billards room, etc...) but has anybody mentioned his first visit to Longbourn after having rescued Lidya? That stare he gives Elizabeth, when he just eats her up with his eyes, gives me the shivers every time i see it! *shutting ecstatically in rememberance*

LOL, that should be shuttering :)

Ooooooooohhhhhh! I get shivers just thinking about him and I have a picture of CF (dressed as Darcy)hanging on my wall at work and he gives me the LOOK all day! HELP!!!

(Evelyn) Brad Pitts LOL! Freudian slip? You must be referring to his starring role in Meet Joe Black. The screenwriter and editor of that first-class stink bomb should have been arrested for torture. Bleecch. Bravo, Moon. 3) He smiles too much. ;-) *sigh* And he has such a lovely smile now. 2) He sings, he dances, he plays guitar... Now there's something I'd love to see! What's that song Flashy sings? 1) He is a man without fault! Only in our adoring eyes...

(Moon)1) He is a man without fault! (Eileen)Only in our adoring eyes... Or, to quote Livia, who should know: "Not always!" ;-)

That would be from one "latina" to another! ;-D

(Moon)1) He is a man without fault! (Eileen)Only in our adoring eyes... Or, to quote Livia, who should know: "Not always!" ;-) Hey! I've done that Top 10 as well! ;-) Karen, if I worked for Letterman...ODB would have been on by now.(thanks for the compliment)

He is a man without fault! ...to quote Livia...: "Not always!" ;-) Is she complaining, then? Does she need help?

Love your Top 10, Moon. SBR, the look you mention as one of your favorite, first visit to Longbourn after having rescued Lidya? That stare he gives Elizabeth, when he just eats her up with his eyes - do you mean the second visit or do you mean the sidelong look he gives her during the first visit while Mrs. Bennet is prattling on to Bingley? Here are the favorite moments from the second tape (also known as tapes 3 & 4)which start with Lizzy finding out Charlotte is engaged to Mr. Collins and ends with the Gardiners and Lizzy driving away from Pemberley after the surprise meeting with Darcy. What could we possibly have missed? 1) Meeting Elizabeth at Rosings woods on horseback. 2) Smile at Pemberley while E plays the pianoforte 3) At the piano at Rosings "You're perfectly right". 4) The look on his face when he goes to visit her at Hunsford and is trying to be so casual and yet so shy...."you wouldn't want to always live near your family.." 5) He walks around, sits down, gets up, walks around again, taking deep breaths all the time and then proposes to her at Huntsford cottage. 6) The look on his face after he was rejected from his first proposal... that look of utter disappointment! 7) The looks of misery on his face as he leaves Hunsford after the rejection. 8) The way he stalks back to Rosings after she refuses him, we can just see his back but you can tell he is mad, frustrated and hurt just by watching him. 9) When Darcy is at the bottom of the stairs at Rosings after Lizzie's rejection, right after her voiceover ends. He looks sooo hurt. 10)The look on his face when he is writing to Lizzie telling her about Wickham and Georgianna. 11)When he embraces Georgiana and presses her against him. 12)Darcy leaning his head back in the chair while writing the letter at Rosings. 13)"I will conquer this" 14)Galloping to Pemberley. (well, cantering anyway) 15)Undressing before the swim! 16)The looks of misery on his face right before he takes the pond plunge. 17)His long-strided return to Pemberly from his little dip. 18)The embarrassment when he comes face-to-face with his beloved moments after the swim. 19)Running into her at Pemberley "And your parents are in good health?..and all your sisters?" 20)The sight of him in knee-high boots and tight breeches at Pemberley. 21)When he takes her hand as she leaves Pemberley with the Gardiners...(and the cameras zoom in on the hands....is that erotic, or what?

Perhaps she needs a break from all of the lust-inducing presence of ODB. I did not think that would be necessary, but she has not been hardened through endless viewings of P&P2 and rewindings and slo-mo play. It takes vigour to submit to that, and we are ready to leap into the ...dare I say it...Breech(es)

And, Moon is hunkering down in a bunker watching the Hurricane blow over as she remains with us on her computer with a very long cord. Hang in there, Dear! Your list is a classic!

(Heidi)SBR, the look you mention as one of your favorite, "first visit to Longbourn after having rescued Lidya? That stare he gives Elizabeth, when he just eats her up with his eyes" - do you mean the second visit or do you mean the sidelong look he gives her during the first visit while Mrs. Bennet is prattling on to Bingley? Oh dear, your right, it's the second visit. The one where he walks through the door and ignoring everyone else in the room, bows and just stares at her. *sigh* btw- thanks for composing these lists! :)

And Moon... Be safe dear! you're in my thoughts and prayers-

(Evelyn) Yeah...but it wasn't her soul he wanted:-D It comes with a package, of course ;-D Heide, Thanks for the loooooooong list. Actually, all Darcy's scenses should be included on the list. Unless some one want to take some of them off the list, if any body dare? (Arami) Is she complaining, then? Does she need help? Or does she want to get out (can we hope)? Just kidding, we sure don't want ODB suffering.

I haven't seen "P&P" in a while (I'm going to have to dig up a copy, aren't I? If I weren't a starving college student, I'd just buy my own,) so what I'm going to say comes out of memory. I have a picture of Colin as Darcy hanging above my bed, and I don't know if it's an actual scene from the movie or if it's a publicity shot, but he has the most vulnerable, "please be gentle" look on his face that just tears my heart to pieces. Anyone know what one I'm talking about? If that's a scene from the movie that has to be my favorite. And to the lady who said she doesn't like him with facial hair--me too! I find most men pretty attractive with a goatee or something, but not Colin. His face is just so lovely that I hate for any part of it to be obscured. I wish I had his complexion! And yes, I am a "newbie," as you call them. Karen invited me over here!

(Amy) I wish I had his complexion! Yeh. He's still breaking out at thirty-nine! Nice oily skin that will age slowly. I should know ... I have the same stuff ... and I'm still breaking out in my mid 50's!! Hee hee!!

Welcome, Amy!

So nice to have you here, Amy!

Aloha Amy!

Bonjour, everyone!

As if our tapes aren't enough, US (and Canada?) viewers get to see P&P on A&E Sunday, 11/28. Showtime begins 2:00 pm Eastern Time. Six hours all in one day.

Thanks, Heide. It is a very good news. Hope it can gain ODB's popularity Just cross a post on RoP, it was a part of debate of which P&P is better, P&P1 or P&P2. I think it is very interesting (a little annoyed by it too). It was a vote for P&P1 of course: The other Darcy (I'm so sorry I don't know the actors' names) was not so very convincing as an upper crust aristocrat--much too impulsive and "emotional"...physically on the "robust, peasant" side, if you will, sort of carrying his heart on his sleeve. ODB, a robust peasant? I am all astonishment!! She did not even know CF's name, poor, poor girl. I pity her.

Wot? Someone prefers David Rintoul to ODB? Sacrilege!

Good God! We really must take up a collection to buy the poor girl a pair of glasses. Obviously she's having serious visual difficulties. ;)

not so very convincing as an upper crust aristocrat--much too impulsive and "emotional"...physically on the "robust, peasant" side, if you will, sort of carrying his heart on his sleeve. I'm shocked--shocked, grieved! Is there nothing we can get this blind fool for present relief? Tapes of Circle of Friends, Shakespeare in Love, Valmont? She is very ill! And of course Darcy is not an aristocrat--he is a commoner as Lady Catherine points out to Elizabeth. However, if our misguided friend really wants to see him as a robust peasant, let's get a tape of FP to her. Will she be able to discern the difference?

US (and Canada?) viewers get to see P&P on A&E Sunday, 11/28. Showtime begins 2:00 pm Eastern Time. Six hours all in one day. Thanks for the heads-up, Heide. Seems like it's becoming an A&E tradition to show P&P2 on the Sunday following Thanksgiving. An unfortunate tradition from my standpoint, since like last year I'll have a houseful of out-of-town guests who are sadly immune to the charms of P&P2:-( Just curious: Does anyone prefer viewing P&P2 in one of these marathons, vs. A&E running an episode or two on consecutive nights? I myself prefer one episode each night, so I can savor every morsel;-)

I agree with you, Susan. I was traveling last year and missed the P&P2 marathon (probably would have been at a football game anyway) but I can't watch the tapes all at once any more. By the time episode 5 rolls around, I have no patience for Mrs. Bennet's "rumblings and flutterings." I enjoy it more in smaller doses.

Oops, that should read "all at once." Sometimes my fingers confused get.

Marathons are fun and, since we've all seen P&P so many times, you can get up and do things during the unnecessary parts (i.e., all involving Mary Bennet singing, George Wickham, and Mr. Collins, except when he's dancing).

I vote for P&P marathons too. Plan my meals for viewing ...won't answer phone, doorbell etc. TRy it sometime. Real experience...gets you into the whole era. Apparently A&E got an excellent response last year.

I like the marathon too. I feel so satisfied when it's done. I wish they'd show it on Thanksgiving. Make the men watch what I want to for a change.

The P&P1 and P&P2 discussion is getting more interesting. Here is from the same girl: Perhaps I will try to cultivate a greater liking for P&P2--if I can get past Darcy swimming in the pond and taking a bath scene. My, my, my! Don't we drool over those two scenes most? ;-))

if I can get past Darcy swimming in the pond and taking a bath scene. This is a purist. She hasn't got the hang of missing scenes yet. Perhaps a little more time on RoP or maybe someone should tip her off to the fanfic. Once she understands that the book is just a bit of a jumpstart for one's own creative juices, beginning with Andrew Davies's, she'll probably dive right in the pond with the rest of us. Maybe she doesn't feel at ease with us yet. After all, none of us performs to strangers--at first. BTW I know why the valet had to hold the robe up when ODB got out of the tub. To the average nonFirthette viewer, it's meant to look as though he were naked as he would naturally be in the bath, but since this was a movie set of course he wasn't really au natural, and they had to hide his Arsenal boxer shorts.

but since this was a movie set of course he wasn't really au natural, and they had to hide his Arsenal boxer shorts. LOL!!! But I thought it would be some thing much smaller than a boxer;-))

LOL here as well!

if I can get past Darcy swimming in the pond and taking a bath scene. I can understand this view. I have trouble getting past those scenes as well. I keep pausing the tape, backing up and replaying those over and over. Tough to get past them. ;-D

(Karen)I keep pausing the tape, backing up and replaying those over and over. Tough to get past them. LOL!!! A good technic (we all own it) to have her "cultivated a greater liking for P&P2" ;-]

Yes, ladies, the old rewind button is hard to get your thumb off. Viz, I watched my brand new copy of Dutch Girls today (yes, ebay knows me well, and I am a buyin' fool right at the moment), and boy oh boy it was hard to get past that slow dancing scene. Sorry, sorry, I got right off Mr. Darcy for a moment there, but actually Mr. D's indescribable voice runs all through DG.

I think I will tape my favorite moments on Nov. 28th. That way I don't have to forward those horrid Wickham moments. What were they thinking when they cast him? I know that Crispin went for that part first, and I have to say that I would have liked him better than I do Adrian Lukis, though I think he is cut as Bingley, in a 'golden retriever' kind of way. I cannot think of anyone preferring AL to Darcy. He was the only casting mistake imo.

(Lidya) He was the only casting mistake imo. Would you elaborate? Where was he lacking? How would you have preferred him to be? I'm curious b/c I hadn't thought about the casting, only that Wickham's character is so unlikable. Why would you have preferred CBC? Bingley is the only part I've seen the latter in, so it's hard to imagine him as anything but a sort of cheerful puppy, although I must say I think his publicity still in the MoP&P makes him look very good and also a bit more mature. I'm wondering if the 19th-century cad isn't a bit difficult to do believably now days since it's almost impossible to put a girl into that situation now--in the US at any rate. I wonder if we bring a different set of expectations about how a rat will behave than Jane Austin did and that makes it hard to find Wickham believable. I remember that I didn't like the blond guy who plays him in the BBC version very much either. Anyhow, it's an interesting point, and btw I noticed that Wickham is also on the Dutch Girls hockey team in a virtually nonspeaking role I believe.

Xian, it's obvious that poor female (aha! Perhaps it's a jealous male) has an aversion to wet Darcy. *tsk-tsk* What a pity. (Cymbeline) they had to hide his Arsenal boxer shorts LOL! Reminds me of a story Heide started way-back-when in Fanfic--Lizzy meets all of Colin's characters. Check it out, it's a hoot. (Karen) I keep pausing the tape, backing up and replaying those over and over. Tough to get past them. ;-D Too true! I'm waiting for my tapes to break...